Other - Dried San Pedro cuttings, how to recognize the cactus.

[He006]

Someone I know says that a friend of his has ordered two batches of dried San Pedro.

The first order was for 40 grams, the second for 60g. These batches were ordered from two DIFFERENT online suppliers.

The orders arrives a week apart. When he recieved the first order he ground the cutting up in a grinder to make a very fine poweder. The taste was very bitter and since this was the first time he has ever seen San Pedro he has no reason to doubt that's what it is.

Now the second batch arrives. It is 60 grams of dried cuttings. It looks a lot cleaner than the previous batch and also smells a little different.

The first batch was slightly brownish in colour once ground to a fine powder.

The second batch was a lot greener in colour although the taste was bitter just like the first batch.

The first batch has a lot of very tiny 'soil-like' fragments at the bottom of the bag, the second batch was very clean with inch-long fragments of San Pedro and no 'soil-like' deposit at the bottom of the bag.

The guy then grounds up the second batch and then adds it with the first batch to make up roughly 100g of finely ground cuttings.

So far so good? Or has he been been ripped off?

Now the guy is thinking what to do next? extraction of mescaline with orange oil? capsulize maybe 15-20 grams.........

A tea maybe although I hear that he usually gags when consuming anything he hates the taste of.

This is his first time.

I guess my questions are:

(1) Did he really get San Pedro both times?
(2) What is the best way to do this the first time without getting scarred for life?

Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks.

[rawbeer]

Without the intact plant it's impossible to say. Even reputable online vendors also screw up and sell San Pedro as Peruvian Torch, too...it sounds like vendor #2 is better. The darker and apparently dirtier cactus from #1 was probably just really old. That soil like stuff, may very well be soil.
Best probably to extract with orange oil - tea is a mess and a pain, and capsulizing an active amount of cacti will probably lead to stomach pains. Extract the whole 100g, and slowly start ingestion - you may need it all.
The problem with these cacti is that young samples are much weaker, and no one wants to butcher there nice old big cacti so when you order it online, you're almost invariably getting younger, weaker specimens.
Good Luck

[He006]

Thanks for the reply Rawbeer.

In the UK he has only been able to locate one supplier of orange oil. Anyhow, they are selling it as an essential aromatherpay oil and there are two types: sweet orange oil and bitter orange oil. He is wondering what the difference between the two is and whether they are both essentially D-limonene? Would this be the food grade non-toxic orange oil that is required?

Thanks

[rawbeer]

I believe all orange oil will have enough limonene for your purposes - is there any info on the labeling? But from what I understand all orange oil is more than 80% limonene.

[He006]

Originally Posted by rawbeer

I believe all orange oil will have enough limonene for your purposes - is there any info on the labeling? But from what I understand all orange oil is more than 80% limonene.

so what happens to the 20% or so during extraction?

[rawbeer]

I couldn't tell you - according to that article at this site about the extraction - I'm assuming that's where you got the idea from - it doesn't really matter. That 20% is just other stuff from oranges. I'm guessing it remains in the final product, which is why the result won't be pure mescaline. But unless you really don't like oranges for some reason I don't think it really matters.

[He006]

Originally Posted by rawbeer

I couldn't tell you - according to that article at this site about the extraction - I'm assuming that's where you got the idea from - it doesn't really matter. That 20% is just other stuff from oranges. I'm guessing it remains in the final product, which is why the result won't be pure mescaline. But unless you really don't like oranges for some reason I don't think it really matters.

Thanks for your help! I heard that he is just waiting on the orange oil and he is ready to go! I also heard that he is very excited and hopes he doesn't fuck it up!

[rawbeer]

Good luck...may the cactus gods smile upon you.

[He006]

Originally Posted by rawbeer

Good luck...may the cactus gods smile upon you.

Thanks!

Yesterday, I heard, that he finally got the last of his ingredients: 100% pure orange oil. He will probably do an extraction tomorrow or the day after and hopefully have something to report by early next week. You should hear about his results soon unless he has either poisoned himself or blown himself up somehow! lol!

[shadowchaser]

using lemon juice and water with the dried chips left to soak over night works just as well as any other method. the added bonus is swiy only need to add sugar and some more lemon juice if it's not lemony enough and swiy gets traditional lemonade with added mescaline.

[He006]

Originally Posted by shadowchaser

using lemon juice and water with the dried chips left to soak over night works just as well as any other method. the added bonus is swiy only need to add sugar and some more lemon juice if it's not lemony enough and swiy gets traditional lemonade with added mescaline.

Thanks for the imput. He has decided to do the extraction just and started around 1pm yesterday. By this morning he claims to have 4 little jars sitting in his kitchen with the orange oil and vinegar separating out.

He says he was quite surprised as to how quickly the two layers separated. The limonene on top and an off-white layer of around 1/8th-1/4 of an inch at the bottom (containing the goods I presume). He is assuming that everything has gone very well so far.

He will have a problem with the separation of the layers as he has neither a gravey separator nor does he have a separatory funnel.

He did try and decant one of the batches and found that it always leaves a thin layer of limonene floating at the top.

He needs some advice as to what to do about that.

anyway, it seems like things have gone quite well, but I guess the proof will be in the eventual ingestion.

He has read a lot around this subject and it seems like people may get a little hasty with their process.

He claims left the limonene/cactus/lyme mix for ten hours yesterday, and then he left the second mix overnight (another 10 hours or so).

It looks like he may get a very good yield here, but only time will tell.

He says he will keep you posted. Any further advice would be appreciated.

cheers!

[rawbeer]

This may be a bit time consuming but the seperation can be done with a straw - just stick it down in, plug the top, and lift off the excess. If you can pour most of it off you could do this to take off the think layer you were talking about and it wouldn't be too tedious.

[He006]

Originally Posted by rawbeer

This may be a bit time consuming but the seperation can be done with a straw - just stick it down in, plug the top, and lift off the excess. If you can pour most of it off you could do this to take off the think layer you were talking about and it wouldn't be too tedious.

Thanks. However, where there is a will there is a way! He claims he went down to the local pharmacy (a large chain) and told them that he needed a measuring syringe for medication. They had plastic ones for less than a pound each. He claims to have bought three. He got home and tried to remove the top layer of orange oil and it worked perfectly! Just syringed the top layer off. It took a little time but it worked well.

He now has more than an inch thickness of vinegar hopefully containing mescaline. He has around 50 grams of dried SP which he ordered a few days ago. He will work on that now.

Hopefully happy times ahead!

He006 added 1120 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

Update:

He has just finished his final pull with vinegar.

The jar with the extract from the last two days has been sitting for over 30 hours and something has started happening in that jar. He noticed it last night as he was swirling the liquid round. He could hear little 'pings' as the liquid swirled. His suspicion is that some kind of crystallization has started.

This morning the crystalization is much more obvious. The jar of extract has split into a yellowy layer at the top and a clear layer at the bottom. When the layers are mixed and swirled round the crystals are very visible. There are lots of them!

He is hoping that these crystals are some kind of alkaloid or hopefully even mescaline.

So far, he has had good yields in his extraction so far in terms of the thickness of the separations from the pulls etc.

He is unsure what these crystals are.

any ideas?

He006 added 299 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

My friend has just finished drying the extract. He dried it in an over with the door open and the setting at 50C. At this heat the Mescaline Acetate should not be harmed. It took around 3 hours to dry completely leaving a deposit of sticky amber-brown coloured solid. It is absolutely true, the deposit is sticky as fuck. It will stick to your fork, then stick to your fingers, then stick to whatever else you try and scrape it off with. It also taste like shit. Very bitter and smells bad too.

However, the yield from 150g of SP is just over 2.4 grams of substance. This is 24 100mg doses, 12 200mg doses, 8 300mg doses or 4 super doses.

He says he will capsulize around 75mg and drink it with coffee tomorrow to test its potency. He has heard that at that dose it is a very blissful experience and lasts almost 10-12 hours. It does not affect your ability to drive or anything like that.

well, all in all, it has been over 48 hours since he started the extraction and so far all had gone according to plan.

Whoever figured out the orange oil method is a fucking genius.