Drug info - Other ingridients in legal smoking mixes

[TpaBokyp]

Preved to all of you people

I've been reading info here on drugs forum for some time now, but never had time to post few things I have in mind for several months already...

Please forgive me if I haven't found some info that is already present on these forums, I tend to use search before I post, but I always kinda suck at searching Anyways, if I'm talking bout something that I have simply failed to find, please point me in the right direction if you can

My constant companion is a wicked mutated human-chameleon that calls himself Geragash. It's hard being a mutant, so he does drugs all the time when he's not trying to climb a tree or lick some floor... I don't do drugs myself, as I'm afraid of becoming like him, and I'm interested only in fresh braniz >

Some background on Geragash that I could gather:

Smokes MJ for about 4 years now, give or take. Smoked first legal mix about 2 years ago (Spice Gold). Eats shrooms from time to time, once tried Salvia and almost got desintegrated into the opposite wall. Have eaten cough medicine (almost went insane), taken amphetamine and pills that makes you dance... Geragash likes to dance! :P Have tried most legal mixes on the local market, including am-hi-co pills and ivory wave...

As I am interested in different drugs, I use Geragash to research them, since it seems he feeds on his own insanity and always ready to try whatever I give him... poor thing >

Anyways, the reason why I wanted to make this post is to find out exactly what is being used in legal mixes beside JWH and natural plant parts.

From what I've learned on this forum, the most common cannabioid used is JWH-018, and I take it that it's cause it is the most effective one? Never seen it being defined by anyone...

Ok, so beside cannabioids, I've learned we have Oleamide in Smoke and some other mixes. It surely adds to the kick, but wastes your lungs. Poor Geragash tried this vicious mix, and after 1 nice hit he was coughing his lungs out for about 5 minutes, had troubles breathing and thus almost lost consciousness... I bet many know the rest that happens to victims of this vile mix. But yet, many buy it cause of the enchanced and heavy kick.

But beside Oleomide, I haven't found info about what else could be added, and was content with that untill about 2-3 months ago new (local for sure) product appeared on our market.

The name is useless, as it's not a TM ir anything, and I bet it's not being exported into other european countries. What is important is that it has something in it, that adds a pretty solid kick to the trip, yet very alarming one. Literally, the people tend to go very anxious after only few hits, and even obsessed. The trip becomes less clear, and people tend to behave more stupid, more like after drinking some alcohol rather then smoking some MJ. If more then few hits are taken, and every time I saw this mix smoked this was teh case, people tend to get stoney stoned. At solid doses person can: totaly loose control of his coordination/understanding of situation, or even fall unconscious., few people got to hospital as well.

My companion Geragash haven't tryed this stuff in high doeses, as he dislikes this kind of high, and finds the trip somewhat dissociactive, much like stuff he got after cough medicine, only less potent. "it really feels like your body is poisoned..." says Geragash, while smoking some good old JWH-018 in his little pipe.

Closely after the appearence of this mix 2 more appeared, with very similar effects to each other. Geragash thinks they all are of same potency, yet when you buy you might get a pack with more "UKNOWN INGRIDIENT" in it, as the mixes are obviously of low quality. I have seen it, actually.

In the mix, if you carefully search through the plant parts, there can be found solid little "rocks", that look like little nuts... most buyers of this mix know of them, and actually call them "nuts" themselves. On a closer examination, if you crack the "nut" into lesser pieces, you can notice that the inside of it is pinkishly-orange. I gave few drops of it to Geragash, he tried them on his tongue - no taste at all, and it melt upon contact with saliva. Geragash as you might guess then swallowed those bits, but as he was high at that moment he didn't feel any difference, but I'd say that's cause there were too little of those bits given to him.

I have reports that there might be 1 or 2 similar mixes, so I take it that this ingridient is pretty easy to obtain. Anyone have a clue what it can be?

Does anyone have reports of similar mixes appearing in their countries?

Does anyone know what else could be added to legal mixes to make them stronger?

These were the main questions I wanted to ask in my post, yet I still have one question regarding good old Spice... From what I have read on these forums, not all Spice products contain JWH-018, so the question is - what do they contain then that makes them such a pleasent smoking experience while having the nice kick?

Thanks for your attention, and sorry for the long post...

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Excellent first post. Welcome to DF!

[TpaBokyp]

As my fellow companion Geragash was rumbling about how he liked smoking a mix called Tribal Warrior Ultimate, I decided to take a closer look at the ingridients listed.

I won't list them here as there is a post with complete list in it, but I'd like to focus everyone's attention on this one ingridient -

Cocamide DEA.

Some info from wiki:
Cocamide DEA, or cocamide diethanolamine, is a diethanolamide made by reacting the mixture of fatty acids from coconut oils with diethanolamine. It is a viscous liquid and is used as a foaming agent in bath products like shampoos and hand soaps, and in cosmetics as an emulsifying agent. The chemical formula is CH3(CH2)nC(=O)N(CH2CH2OH)2, where n can vary depending on the source of fatty acids.

Ok, so... umm... smoking shampoo? Anyone has any info regarding how exactly a shampoo adds to the kick?

From what Geragash told me, he experienced more intense trip then off the Spice Diamond, and less was required as well - 200mg was the most he was able to smoke, he was unable to even finish few last hits... Does this come from a higher cannabioid concentration (wich I personally doubt) or rather from that Cocamide DEA?

Also, I'm getting some pics of those "nuts" soon...

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Thank you for bringing this to attention

[trakstar]

That's the unfortunate thing about these blends. You don't know what's in them. We don't know if TWU actually contains Cocamide DEA or if they just listed the ingredient to throw the authorities off. If it does contain the said ingredient, then I don't understand why it would be necessary to put such a thing in a smoke blend. Oh wait, "Not For Human Consumption"

[NOID]

I googled "Cocamide DEA" - 2nd & 3rd results are articles about it being linked to cancer. Google "Cocamide + cancer" and get more results. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency lists it as "likely to be carcinogenic to humans"
Also, Its on the Environmental Canada Domestic Substance List, and has been shown to cause tumors in animals, according to RTECS.

[msimm]

Originally Posted by NOID

I googled "Cocamide DEA" - 2nd & 3rd results are articles about it being linked to cancer. Google "Cocamide + cancer" and ger more results .

If the people selling these mixtures actually cared about the users they'd list the ingredients. Regardless of who or what they try to blame it's a choice they've made and it puts needless risk and profit first.

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Well said!

[TpaBokyp]

That's the unfortunate thing about these blends. You don't know what's in them. We don't know if TWU actually contains Cocamide DEA or if they just listed the ingredient to throw the authorities off. If it does contain the said ingredient, then I don't understand why it would be necessary to put such a thing in a smoke blend. Oh wait, "Not For Human Consumption"

You obviously got a point at doubting the components listed, as all of herbal smokes don't have cannabioids listed. But then, because of stealthy tactics of producer companies many SWIYs were able to enjoy herbal mixes for so long. So, your point is, since they are hiding something, and we can't just run some quick tests at home after we buy a herbal blend product, we can't be sure if the listed components are actually there and if all of them are listed. But hey, you can't be sure about components of your food also, for the exactly same reasons, and there are far more scary stories about hidden components in food all across the world then there are in herbal mixes. In fact, there are currently only 3 (of those I know), beside obvious cannabioids, and they are what I try to discuss in this thread.

So yeah, while your point about not trusting the listed components is true, it doesn't add anything to the subject of this thread, as I'm interested in how exactly some other compounds, that are not cannabioids, might enchance the trip, if they even can. And if someone would post any data showing that Cocamide is adding to the kick, then it would be obvious it is added, while if there would be proof of it being irrelevent to the state of high it would be obvious that it is listed to shake off unwanted attention.

I googled "Cocamide DEA" - 2nd & 3rd results are articles about it being linked to cancer. Google "Cocamide + cancer" and get more results. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency lists it as "likely to be carcinogenic to humans"
Also, Its on the Environmental Canada Domestic Substance List, and has been shown to cause tumors in animals, according to RTECS.

And how is this related to the subject of my post or any of the major questions I wrote in bold? I googled "milk + cancer" instead

If the people selling these mixtures actually cared about the users they'd list the ingredients. Regardless of who or what they try to blame it's a choice they've made and it puts needless risk and profit first.

How come you are so sure that people making herbal blends care less about users then those that sell us poor quality food/medicine/cosmetics/tobacco/alchohol/etc that contain all sorts of chemicals that are very bad for our helth, which on many occasions leads to serious health problems, including death. And there are thousands every year, that suffer only from pharmaceutical affairs... I bet you can look up this grim statistic over google with no problem yourself. The main point is - humans are greedy, and when the greed meets certain degree of possibility for nice income, many humans would choose to poison innocent people only to get the big buck for themselves, regardless of product or service. But there are always some companies that understand that reputation is a better and safer way to make money, so they make quality products and rarely try to screw with their customers. But is there realy a good way to find out who's currently screwing you?

So, you too said nothing relevant to the subject of this thread.

All of my questions still stand, and I'm beginning to wonder if anyone would be able to help me out here.

[Tamis]

After all the research done swim thinks that no herbal components adds kick to the cannabinoid agonist...

Swiy should search on cannabinoid agonist mixes (several in a single blend) rather than herbal potency !