Health - If you have ordered 2C-B-fly from Haupt-RC, then your life may be in danger

[jwantbeer]

Has anyone heard anything about the Chinese source ? I would be interested to know what else they produce, don't trust your life to any chemical made in China!

[Abrad]

Almost all RCs originate in China.

[Jackyl]

Hmmm, Jackyl is wondering....How about the ions visible in the bromo-dragonfly spectrum at m/z 319 and 321? This isotope pattern (?) suggests there is another mono-bromo compound present? Any published analytical data (MS or IR) known of BrDrFl?

[terrapinzflyer]

^^^ the best one turtle is aware of is from the USDOJ DEA Microgram Journal , volume 5 , december 2007. Can't post a link since its a govt website but a simple search will find it. Contains Mass Spectrum, GC/IRD and FTIR/ATR for 2c-b-fly , 3c-b-fly and Bromo-dragonfly

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on the money information, good stuff

[fryingsquirrel]

This is gonna sound crazy, but swim just went to the haupt website (not that he would dream of buying anything there) and you have to register and when swim put his email in it said there was an account already registered. swim never heard of haupt until about ten minutes ago. Perhaps they have or had another website which swim has visited. If so this could be an even worse than we realize.

[moñorojo]

Originally Posted by fryingsquirrel

This is gonna sound crazy, but swim just went to the haupt website (not that he would dream of buying anything there) and you have to register and when swim put his email in it said there was an account already registered. swim never heard of haupt until about ten minutes ago. Perhaps they have or had another website which swim has visited. If so this could be an even worse than we realize.

You sure of that? I found out I had already registered here when this 2c-b-fly thing came up. I did not remember I already had an account. Or does anybody else have access to your account? If not this would be awful...

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by fryingsquirrel

This is gonna sound crazy, but swim just went to the haupt website (not that he would dream of buying anything there) and you have to register and when swim put his email in it said there was an account already registered. swim never heard of haupt until about ten minutes ago. Perhaps they have or had another website which swim has visited. If so this could be an even worse than we realize.

Sorry, swim is a bit confused, what does swiy mean by this? The same email address can register for 2 different websites...

[Alfa]

What flyingsquirrel means is that if the haupt-rc has him registered, while he never registered there, but has registered with another rc website (which he thought has no relation to haupt-rc), then this might mean that the two websites are intertwined.

However, it might also mean that the haupt-rc website simply gives this message in error.

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Alfa correctly clarified what flyingsquirrel meant so people wouldn't be confused.

[chillinwill]

Here is the report for the person that took 8mg

I know I promised to provide the TRs yesterday.
I am very busy atm.. job, university.
Same thing with the other guys.

But we talked a lot about this evening and I´ll try to write a 3rd person report tomorrow for the 1mg doses.

Short overview of my trip:

t=0 Ingestion of 8mg at 11.00 am
t+1 first effects (enhanced colours, little movements)
t+1,5 visual effects are getting a little bit stronger, i need to do something.. started to clean up. but it takes longer than usually to do simple things.
t+2 visuals were getting stronger. when i looked out the window i realised what a fucking strong trip is rolling in. window boards of the opposite house are falling down at the sidewalk like guillotines. the moisture of the inner side of a bottle is moving around like a cloud of fractals. i am able to control it and move it wherever i want. till this point it was kinda enjoyable..
t+3 puked hard. when i was done i felt very terrible. eyes were swollen, my face was red.. it felt like an allergic shock.
headache started, i felt a pressure in my hands and my head. like a poppers rush, but much more uncomfortable. i felt very cold.. despite the 3 blankets and a warm jacket.

after ~2hrs the negative body effects weakened a little bit, but they never disapeared.
visuals are getting stronger and stronger (till ~t+6), the room is waving around and changes his colour all the time.
it felt more and more like a delirium, i wasn´t able to do anything except laying in bed. i´m glad my girlfriend was around all the time.
it is comparable to a massive overdose of mdma + a strong flu.
at 0.00 my gf took me in the warm (hot) bathtub, but even there i was cold.
around 8.00am next day i was able to sleep.

at the next day i still had a terrible headache, but felt much better. no visuals, no other side-effects. i had a comfy warm feeling and slept very well the following night.

[Expat98]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

Here is the report for the person that took 1mg

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It says, "t=0 Ingestion of 8mg at 11.00 am" in the report.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Expat98

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It says, "t=0 Ingestion of 8mg at 11.00 am" in the report.

I think I misread the post on the other forum. They said they would post the 1mg reports later on and that here was the 8mg post. I will change it on my post

[Dicazepam]

Sry, slightly offtopic, but related to the source who has sold the product:

SWIM ordered Dimethocaine to make a few tests with it. SWIM has a lot experience with Cocaine so he expected it to be at least somewhat like that. But the effects, to make it short: Where nonexistent. Only things which were noticed were the slight thumbness when snorting or ingestion and a "slight" bad body feeling.
And the stuff realy smells and tastes like shit, like Ive been told. Ill advise my friend to trash the remaining....

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Dicazepam

Sry, slightly offtopic, but related to the source who has sold the product:

SWIM ordered Dimethocaine to make a few tests with it. SWIM has a lot experience with Cocaine so he expected it to be at least somewhat like that. But the effects, to make it short: Where nonexistent. Only things which were noticed were the slight thumbness when snorting or ingestion and a "slight" bad body feeling.
And the stuff realy smells and tastes like shit, like Ive been told. Ill advise my friend to trash the remaining....

yes there is also an issue with at least one of the dimethocaine batches Haupt sold. someone's sampled three different one from this source, but has little data from which to compare.
one of them was clearly not dimethocaine and thrown away. this was being discussed with the vendor when the accident happened.

please be careful with all haupt products

[chillinwill]

Something else on the other forum:

i almost threw away my powder of this stuff when i read about the deaths. but after seeing the tests and whatnot ive decided to keep it. a friend of mine was also informed about all the events surrounding this substance and insisted on trying half a mg, and so he did.

From half a mg he said he felt nothing, only a mild headache that went away fast.

the next time he asked me about it he tried 1mg and really really liked it, said it was stronger than 2 hits of some acid i recently had (it was goooood cid, i think it was the first time i did actual cid) and it lasted a long whiiile.

honestly, i dont think i will do it ever, but i just thought i'de throw this info out there. i told him to write a report but said he might, he's lazy.

And

Originally Posted by Other Forum

well, as for the measuring. i weighed 1mg to the point where it would not change at all from 0mg and jump to 1 mg, then back down, then back up. my friend J and my friend C split that <1mg and nothing happened, they only wanted more to see if they could trip off it.

for his 2nd trial, i weighed a solid 1mg, no jumpin around on the scale or anything. My friend J ate the whole thing this time and within 1 hour staid things started to move and such, i drove around, went to gamestop and he commented that it was getting stronger. After a while i left to go to work.
Later that night i talked to him and he said "this shit is tight dude, ill definitely want more later" he was still trippin, i think he went somewere and drank a little.
As for his body weight, i wouldnt say he weighs more than 140lb. Maybe it is the impurities in the substance that are making it so larger amounts have to be taken, or my friend just does alot of drugs and his body is fine with it. i really dont know.
As for the comparison to acid, I had some cid we both tried (2 hits) and that was a decently hard trip. he compared his trip of those 2 really good hits to the BrDFLY trip and said that the BrDFLY was stronger

ill see if he can write some details or tell me more about it.

Ill post any other info I can on that TR or any other ones.

[radiometer]

Note well that the author of those quotes was using a cheap digital scale to try to weigh a one mg dose. This is impossible to do accurately. The actual weight could have been anywhere from ~200µg to 3 mg or thereabouts.

In case anyone reading this thread is contemplating taking any of this drug, please understand this:

When trying to measure such tiny doses with the sort of scales the vast majority of forum members are using, it is imperative to weigh a decent sized sample, let's say 20mg at a minimum, dissolve the sample into a carefully measured amount of a suitable solvent such as ethanol, and then to proceed measuring by volume at that point.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Proper scales for precise measurements is so important dealing with chemicals of this nature
	Useful advice on method to weigh mg amounts on inexpensive scales
	Very imporatant point. PLEASE PEOPLE, TAKE NOTE!
	SWIM isn't intending on using research chems, but this is still an incredibly smart approach if he were

[accessgranted]

Why would anyone want 2C-b-fly when most sites say

"2C-B-Fly is a synthetic psychedelic. It is extremely uncommon with nearly no history of human use."

So why would anyone want to take such things?

Maybe its just swim but swim researches stuff before trying and in no way would swim ever take something which has no history of human use. That is asking for trouble.

Its good that your warning people but why would people take such things in the first place.

[Abrad]

LSD, and indeed MDMA were originally chemicals with no human history. Why did you feel the need to comment when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about?

[Combination]

Originally Posted by accessgranted

Why would anyone want 2C-b-fly when most sites say

"2C-B-Fly is a synthetic psychedelic. It is extremely uncommon with nearly no history of human use."

So why would anyone want to take such things?

Maybe its just swim but swim researches stuff before trying and in no way would swim ever take something which has no history of human use. That is asking for trouble.

Its good that your warning people but why would people take such things in the first place.

With this attitude we would still live in caves. That doesn't mean you should take stupid risks, but exploring new things is not always a bad thing

[incorrect]

SWIM agrees that experimentation leads to progress, although it's so sad to hear that Haupt was selling chemicals that have come to harm people. I hope Haupt isn't using chemists who don't know what they are doing. That would be highly irresponsible.

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by incorrect

SWIM agrees that experimentation leads to progress, although it's so sad to hear that Haupt was selling chemicals that have come to harm people. I hope Haupt isn't using chemists who don't know what they are doing. That would be highly irresponsible.

the source was lucrative, and sadly, this is not the first time a contammed batch or mislabeled chemical was sent out. Sadly, the alleged chemical acquired was a chemical that ranged in dosage from 10-20mg, but as the deaths and testing have shown it was a sub-milligram potent chemical from the same chemical family sent out with impurities from a manufacturers error.

Hopefully, this will show chemical suppliers/users that credibility is something that is a life-and-death matter in the RC market, but don't hope too hard, it is still a semi-legal grey market, so there is no real rules.

Remember erowid's statement;;
Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

[foxydoe]

haupt was a good guy, he had poor judgement and soem bad luck, thought he was great to talk to, RIP

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Note well that the author of those quotes was using a cheap digital scale to try to weigh a one mg dose. This is impossible to do accurately. The actual weight could have been anywhere from ~200µg to 3 mg or thereabouts.

In case anyone reading this thread is contemplating taking any of this drug, please understand this:

When trying to measure such tiny doses with the sort of scales the vast majority of forum members are using, it is imperative to weigh a decent sized sample, let's say 20mg at a minimum, dissolve the sample into a carefully measured amount of a suitable solvent such as ethanol, and then to proceed measuring by volume at that point.

Exactly, much safer this way. I find that pure ethyl alcohol with 99% purity dissolves most compounds very efficiently. Careful of rubbing alcohol with added oils in it too as this prevents a clean evapotation.

Its always a good idea to heat up whatever liquid you dissolve it into from the bottom before taking out your set volumes of liquid. This way the warm liquid at the bottom of the container rises to due to convection and disturbs the water flow in the container, this ensures that none of the dissolved chemical will settle at the bottom, and thus each scoop of liquid should have the same amount in. If the solid has dissolved completely this is not really needed, but sometimes, albeit rarely, a compound will not completely dissolve and settle at the bottom.

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by Abrad

LSD, and indeed MDMA were originally chemiclas with ni human history. Why did you feel the need to comment when you clearly have bi idea what you're talking about?

Originally Posted by Combination

With this attitude we would still live in caves. That doesn't mean you should take stupid risks, but exploring new things is not always a bad thing

I dunno, now that LSD and MDMA and Psilocybin etc are chemicals with extensive human use with impressive amounts of documentation, playing with absurdly potent research chemicals which have been proven to be dangerous and sometimes lethal doesn't seem necessary, especially with LSD already having high potency and a high safety profile.

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by EscapeDummy

I dunno, now that LSD and MDMA and Psilocybin etc are chemicals with extensive human use with impressive amounts of documentation, playing with absurdly potent research chemicals which have been proven to be dangerous and sometimes lethal doesn't seem necessary, especially with LSD already having high potency and a high safety profile.

re-read the statements made by abrad and combination please

this is research in the making, Chemicals can't get widely used if nobody uses them. Some people keep reaching for the stars even though their hand has or will get burnt while reaching. Not saying all chemicals are for widespread use, but saying that people shouldn't do something for the sake of science and experiemts that lead to the first absurdly potent serotonin agonist (LSD) is putting up a barrier for human study to possibly find the next beautiful psychedelic akin to our lysergic lady.

Bromo-Dragonfly is not really a toy in swims opinion, but if the user knows their source and chemical, takes all the right precautions and doses, who is swim to say that they cannot.

[chillinwill]

A post from the other forum

Hello to all, this is my first post on this site.
Swim has only just seen this thread, having insufflated 5-6mg, of this batch of supposed 2c-b-fly, approximately 2 weeks ago. Swim called mates, early on, due to the unexpected intensity and unpleasantness, of the initial effects, which got increasingly more intense. The first 6 hrs are a blur, remembering very little (apart from hoping it would end soon) with swim being in a deeply psycadelic/disaccociative state, having vomitted 2-3 times in addition to major gastrointestinal disturbances. I am deeply sorry for the loss of those who have died due to this mis-labelling of a substance and am glad swim saw this thread before repeating the experience at half his initial dose (with 2-3mg still being quite a substantial overdose).
Thanks go out to those who reacted quickly to the mistake, and have, in turn, saved another life.
Btw, after the first hellish 6 hrs, the trip became much more what swim was looking for and had quite an enjoyable experience. Intestinal disturbances lasted for approx. 48 hrs, however no other side-effects were experienced and swim felt pretty good the next day, considering what could have happened.
Once again, thanks to those who warned the RC community of the danger and condolences to those who have lost friends or family, due to this fatal error.
Cheers

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Some good news in an all-round very sad affair. Thank you for all you do here.