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Old 31-07-2009, 13:56
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Using Opiates in SE Asia

It was agreed in another thread that this topic deserved it's own thread.
Perhaps those with experience in this region, or those with questions will post here.
Not sure that this thread has the right prefix.
Feel free to change if that was botched.
Thanks.

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Old 31-07-2009, 14:39
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First let my Cat say that she is not a big Friend of Drug-Tourism!
In fact this is Evil.

The yearly income is 200 UsD. People who do Business earn much more
and forget the real Hard-Work of Farming!

My Cat mentioned the Price-Difference and the Time of the Year,
Opium is like Tourists, it comes by Moon-Circles and Summer and Winter.
Apart of this Time Oscar becomes very expensive compare to the daily Lifestyle in Laos and Cambodia.
The same we can say also about Yaba.

They talked already about V.V., this is a very dangerous place,
the Police is working togehter with the People on the Island.
In the Season my Cat watch the same Game every Day,
Jim/ John, Itzak or Klaus will lose the whole Travel-Money, at least 15.000 Thai Bath for a Bribe, so don`t buy anything there, only the yummy Beer Lao.
The same we can say about Tubing (for the Outsiders: Vang Vieng is famous for Tubing, sitting inside a Tube and swimming down the River, big Mountains on the right Side)

To buy Tea or Pizza/ Happy Style is also to expensive!

Edit: My Cat never get Smoke-Opium, always Raw, she saw only a few Times Heroin.
And the Phet Lao decrease the Opium-Production down to a few 100Kg.
for the People there it is a Disaster!

Ach, Laos is a Paradise, my Cat mostly enjoy it clean, there is soooo much to see!
A highly recommend Place!
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:48
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Re: Using Opiates in SE Asia

Giving a link to the previous thread where this discussion started because there is information relevant to this discussion.

Better Quality Heroin in Amsterdam?
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Old 02-08-2009, 13:43
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Re: Using Opiates in SE Asia

Is there a time of the year when supplies are better in SE Asia?
Is October a good month to visit?

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Old 02-08-2009, 16:15
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Re: Using Opiates in SE Asia

swim has never been to any part of asia but swim would definately do as much research as is possible about places that may be visited as swim would hate to hear of any swimmers ending up in one of those asian jails because of any belief that such places were totally tolerant on drug use.just the thought sends shivers down swims spine and swim has done a bit of jail over the years.be carefull would be swims advice.
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Old 15-08-2009, 04:21
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Is there a time of the year when supplies are better in SE Asia?
Is October a good month to visit?
My Cat really don`t want to tell that because SEA.
have much more than just Drugs!

But think by Swinself what kind of Climate the Drug of Choice need

Also think about it that Drugs have a high Price even there,
for a Day and a Night in Morpheus Arms swiny will pay the same Amount of Money
he will need in a Week-10 Day`s for "normal activity`s"!

Enjoy the Paradise Clean!
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Old 15-08-2009, 17:56
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CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

My hat has started other threads on this subject and just gotten confused.
People have discussed availability in Cambodia or Laos.
Have read the legendary Cambodia thread on another forum.
But, have also gotten hints that things aren't as they were even a year or two ago.
So, am looking for current information on whether it is advisable to search for the elusive pure number 4 heroin in SE Asia.

Have read that due to UN pressures, that it is even getting hard to find weed in Cambodia.
No more happy pizzas even.

Have read that it isn't even possible to legally buy syringes in Laos.

My hat's SO is really bent about finding some number 4 somewhere.
My hat wishes that could be done in Amsterdam, but old hats aren't very high up the food chain there...

My hat is horrified of various dangers in Asia - mobbing, malaria, and terrifying jails.
What would the penalties be for being caught with a few grams of heroin and weed?
What would the bribe be to get away?

Have even read that in some SE Asian countries that they are piss testing backpackers.

Afraid that they just gobble people up.

Are things just as bad in Laos as Cambodia now?
Is there anywhere in the world left to go for this that isn't full of dangers?

Please help.

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Old 16-08-2009, 11:13
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

Swim would thin locations where the purest form of Heroin is available the occupants of that country understand the demand of their product. They might not want foreigners taking crop out of their country or they strictly prohibit use and just so happen to have excess of the drug. Likewise if swiy is going into a country where they've heard such strict drug use/drug dealing laws the risk may not be worth the high. Who knows, swiy might find the purest heroin ever but he also might end up in a foreign prison for the rest of his life.

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Old 16-08-2009, 15:56
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AW: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

My Cat thinks also like someone above me,
why not choose a Place with a low Price, high average quality and a safe Surrounding.
Portugal, Spain (Canary Islands) and even Italy have all this three points.

Look, even in Cambodia swiny will pay a lot of Money
(cant tell the right Price because of the Rules) but it`s not much cheaper
than in the South of Europe!

And don`t forget the Climate there, it become very difficult to keep the Body healthy
if someone use Hard-Drugs IV.!

The Country`s in SEA. don`t know a "small amount",
they have just the Rule that everything above 30g. lead to Death by Shooting!
Under 30g. swiny get a life-time with a chance of a nice King on his Birthday-Decision!

My Cat don`t know the legal Status of Syringes in Laos but let her tell swiny
that many Places don`t even have a Pharmacy, even in Vientianne it`s very difficult!

Edit: my noisy Cat also want to say that the Beauty of SEA. and something like Heroin is not so a nice Mixture
like it sounds like!
Scuba in the Andamans
Ballon over Pangan
or even Tubing in Vang Vieng is much more Funny
and swiny will remember for ever, trust my Cat-she know`s!



Edit 2.

Into the Area with the H-Production swiny can`t intrude/ or only under big Problems because it`s inside the Shan-State/ Myanmar!

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Old 23-08-2009, 22:44
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

before going to laos, swim read many reports on the net that some parts were now opium free, and the backpacking areas were now cleaned up and it was virtually impossible to get opium. WHAT A BUNCH OF LIES, swim left laos three months back, and everything was in full swing, swim has been visting se asia for the last 6 years, up to 6 times per year, swims friends are dotted around thailand and laos. Swim also passed through Cambodia for three days, Number 4 was easy as ever to score, but this was in the capital, surrounding areas seem to be full of yaba. Any moto driver will offer you whilst getting a lift to your destination.
Swim doesn't know about needles, as he only smokes. But please tell your hat, yes Asia is full of Number 4 heroin, and a lot of stuff on the net is geared at steering narco tourism away. Swim can also tell you, that cambodian prices of Number 4, are WAY lower than europe. Laos prices are higher if you get from resturants. About the law, swim has never had any problems, not saying your hat wont either, but cambodian cops are quite busy elsewhere, and the laos thing has gotta be seen to believed, some of the resturants are full of opium smoke, buckets of weed been taken into the kitchen, its really, really open in one part of laos. And if you do get caught, there is a buy out price. If people are taking drugs across borders, then its a very dfferent story. The best Number 4 swim has came across was in Cambodia, so potent and perfect. Swim has never felt uneasy or unsettled in se asia. He has in europe, including portugal. In fact swim was robbed by a crack head in portugal. Stay safe.
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Old 09-09-2009, 15:24
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

Thanks to you all for answering.
After a lot of research elsewhere, am getting the idea that discretion is called for, and that one shouldn't be calling a lot of attention to the situation.

Am just trying to be sure of the amount it takes to get out of trouble, and once paid, does that keep one out of trouble? Heard of $500 to $600 in VV. Is it costing about the same in LP?
Am not really finding out anything about an western prisoners at all in that bad jail in Vientienne.
So, am thinking that unless one is muling, one should be safe enough.

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Old 09-09-2009, 15:55
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

swim been to Thailand a few times for yaba not heroine but was offered morphine. Anyway swim had a Thai girlfriend who he had met in Amsterdam and she told him how to stay safe in Thailand !

Now at some Thai city's they do urine checks on the side of the road.... Scary ! And if something happens (swim gets caught) then ask the police officer(s) what the fine is. Don't mention bribes and pay ASAP as the more police is involved the more expensive it gets !!! Thats if swiy is lucky to bribe his way out... As there are some honest police in SEA but pay as soon as one can and walk.. Don't argue or haggle and tell the officer that your swiy is only a student and doesn't have a lot of money but is willing to give most he can....

For the rest swim has always been OK in Thailand as he knows who he can ask... He knows Thai people and he is confident that the person (even if he just has met him/her) won't fuck him over ! A skill learned when living with Thai people.

But there are places a lot more safer then SEA as mentioned above.. Even The Netherlands is safe to buy drugs for personal use. And the Dutch prisons are a doodle and swim could get more drugs in Dutch prisons if he ever ended up there.. Which isn't likely !!!

Good luck

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Old 09-09-2009, 16:06
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Luang Praband and Vang Vieng are totally different.
Vang Vieng is like the Dam with all to Dschungel Bars, Moonshine and Tea Oscar+ Technobeats.
Luang Prabang is like Cafe Latte and Blue Notes.

Of course both are Laotian Towns but total different concepts,
don`t do Things in Luang Prabang like you do in Vang Vieng!

ps. don`t go with a speedboat, it`s very rough, noisy and destroy Laotian Feeling.

Aunty Edit: If you want to visit some People in a Laos Prison feel free to ask!
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Old 09-09-2009, 21:40
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

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Now at some Thai city's they do urine checks on the side of the road.... Scary ! And if something happens (swim gets caught) then ask the police officer(s) what the fine is. Don't mention bribes and pay ASAP as the more police is involved the more expensive it gets !!!

But there are places a lot more safer then SEA as mentioned above.. Even The Netherlands is safe to buy drugs for personal use. And the Dutch prisons are a doodle and swim could get more drugs in Dutch prisons if he ever ended up there.. Which isn't likely !!!

Good luck
Getting ripped off in Amsterdam is why my hat's SO wants to head east.
Also, he was getting sick from that stepped-on shit.

My hat certainly hopes that they aren't piss-testing in Laos.
My hat hasn't seen anything like that in her researches.

Can anyone verify that the *fine* is about 500 to 600 bucks?
Also, what's to keep them from coming for another fine each day or in different parts of the country?

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Luang Praband and Vang Vieng are totally different....
My hat would hope so.
She is getting a little too old for the party animals, but not THAT old.

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Aunty Edit: If you want to visit some People in a Laos Prison feel free to ask!
There you go again, trying to scare that hat off my head...

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Old 10-09-2009, 00:14
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

I didn't read the thread but all I can say is don't use opiates in SE Asia. It's not worth it. Those countries are ruthless, you'll get life in jail or death.

In fact, death would be the better or the two options. I'd much rather be shot then have to live in one of those prisons.
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Old 10-09-2009, 22:16
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

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I didn't read the thread but all I can say is don't use opiates in SE Asia. It's not worth it. Those countries are ruthless, you'll get life in jail or death.

In fact, death would be the better or the two options. I'd much rather be shot then have to live in one of those prisons.
Easy there on the knee-jerk panic.
It might behoove you to read the thread.

It is a complex situation.
On one hand, Laos is taking the UN money to stop drugs.
On the other hand, they don't want tourism to dry up.
So, they collect your bribe and leave you alone.
The less said about it the better.

They made an example out of that silly British woman who was trying to mule some heroin.
I suspect that she was made an example to whoever sent her to interlope on some other syndicate's territory.
But, in the end, they gave her a way out.

They really aren't executing anyone.
Things may be bad for those who get on the wrong side of politics.
But, I am really finding nothing about any westerners in Laotian prisons for using drugs.
So, relax and say Sabaidee.
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

My cat and his roommate visited S.E.A. and cats roommate got into real trouble trying to score.
There’s always a possibility of a cop not liking farangs (foreigners ) or having some sort of grudge against them .
If that is the case and he pursues legal avenues … bearing in mind draconian laws…… and prison facilities…… sooooo definitely not worth it
If your aim is seeing S.E.A as well as using drugs than a sincere – good luck
If your travelling purpose is drugs alone, than, there are places to visit , that have laws so much more discretional if not “advanced” …. And considering that you’re a “westerner” will usually let you go without a bribe, talking about cheap , affordable and cheerful places.
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

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My cat and his roommate visited S.E.A. and cats roommate got into real trouble trying to score.
There’s always a possibility of a cop not liking farangs (foreigners ) or having some sort of grudge against them .
If that is the case and he pursues legal avenues … bearing in mind draconian laws…… and prison facilities…… sooooo definitely not worth it
If your aim is seeing S.E.A as well as using drugs than a sincere – good luck
If your travelling purpose is drugs alone, than, there are places to visit , that have laws so much more discretional if not “advanced” …. And considering that you’re a “westerner” will usually let you go without a bribe, talking about cheap , affordable and cheerful places.
swikasbeq, what places would swiy suggest? there are cities listed in this thread and swim would be interested in hearing as many people's opinions and experiences and advice as possible.

S.E.A. sounds fantastic but also scary because there is so much that is unknown (for many westerners) and so many possible ways someone could get themselves in trouble.

the more info. on this thread, the better, and someone mentioned they didn't know about availability of syringes, does anyone else know about this?
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

Swi-east of eaden
How does swim start this reply….. Ok…. Here is what swim meant
S.E.A is a wonderful and beautiful place to visit …
if drugs is the main reason than its not worth it because of the draconian laws….
Yes there is always the option of corruption but it does have its side effects.
The following is only for “selective drug tourism”
Swim hopes he won’t wake up being banned from this forum for enclosing this, but he did read the rules several times, and he hopes it does not conflict with his following statements.
Western Balkans in Europe is the place where its inexpensive to visit, cheap accommodation ,good and entertaining nights out, and purest& cheapest opiates one can think of .Most of the population is pro” western” orientated meaning Europe and USA ( apart from maybe Serbia)- laws are hmmmm very selective when it comes to westerners and some drugs are extremely cheap and pure.
It’s the place where Heroin stops for a rest from his journey from Afghanistan to Europe.
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

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... and someone mentioned they didn't know about availability of syringes, does anyone else know about this?
My hat reasons that if *they* are going to make number 4 available, they should have the good sense to make clean syringes available too.
They should know even better than tourists that syringes aren't legally available, nor is is possible to bring them into the country without a doctor's note.
Even doctors there are sometimes using used syringes.

However, if you just happen to have a tropical first aid kit, unopened, and there just happen to be syringes in there that you didn't even know about, seems the worst they can do is confiscate them.
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

swikasbeq thanks for risking the threat of being banned to add more detailed information. swim really appreciates it and she knows the feeling, sometimes she's not sure if she can say something or not, but the more knowledge and experience that can be shared, the better, right.

hmm, swim wonders if there would be a way to get a doctor's note for syringes, maybe, she'll have to give that some thought.

or like swi'ere said, bringing a couple in with a tropical first aid kit ....

how do they feel about methadone and benzos over there? as long as people have presciptions is it okay to bring meds or are they not allowed?
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Old 11-09-2009, 22:44
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

Haven't read everything but stying in a cheap hotel means your on a low budget so swiy couldn't afford a large bribe...

And people working in cheap hotels....... Won't say anymore !
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Re: CURRENT availablity of pure Heroin in SE Asia - and Legal Atmosphere ?

you can buy needles in Thailand, just say that you are diabetic, some clinics wont even ask, same as in Cambodia, swim remembers been offered pure morphine when he bought a ten pack of needles in the capital, swim told the counter guy "i really am a diabetic" the guy just laughed and gave me the needles.

To be safe, out of all the area of SE asia for scoring number 4, swim would say Cambodia, followed by laos. Swim would not recommend Thailand, unless swim knows some good friends that way.

Bravo in the uk are showing a good fly on the wall documentory at the moment, it's also on Youtube, its called "big trouble in tourist thailand" check it out, then you might see why it might not be a good idea to try and get any drugs in thailand, especally if you are in one of the more touristy places.

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how do they feel about methadone and benzos over there? as long as people have presciptions is it okay to bring meds or are they not allowed?
You need to get a doctors letter for your meds, also >>>

you will need to obtain a written permission from the Narcotics Control Division, Food and Drug Administration, Tiwanon Rd. Muang District, Nonthaburi, 11000, tel. (66-2) 591-8469 (8470), fax (66-2) 591-8471

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very good youtube-advice, thats Thailaeeeend, People have to be aware of it!

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how do they feel about methadone and benzos over there? as long as people have presciptions is it okay to bring meds or are they not allowed?
It`s not allowed to bring Methadone into Thailand!
People have to get it "in" Thailand!

One more thing, my Cat have been in Lao many Times,
so she stay there a in a total of a few Months.
In the whole Time there was mostly no Heroin,
only one or two times!

The Cat is very close to say "There is no Heroin" anymore!
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It`s not allowed to bring Methadone into Thailand!
Is it possible to get Methadone on the black market in Laos?

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