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Old 16-12-2008, 03:41
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

These nervous shakes are so annoying that if swim draws back and happens to be in a vein, the needle wiggle all over the place by the time swim injects. Swim has given up drawing back and goes with the feel now and she hopes is the correct feel. Can anyone else confirm that when inside the vein, the plunger moves more easily?
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

A Nurse IV Drug Handbook would come in handy right about now. Swim was always taught to go with the flow, but never no explanation was given. Now, this has his curiosity up.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

I have read lots of info about dissolving crystal meth with tap water. But, there is not much information on exactly how long it should typically take to do so...a few seconds, several minutes, or more?

What is the best average time to dissolve crystal meth with water for injecting that will get the highest concentration of product with the least amount of cut or other components dissolving into the mix as well?

Also, how much water is average? I seem to find that most prefer about .25mg of product with a 10mL water wash, which doubles to 20mL of dissolved inject solution on average?

Any opinions?
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Old 17-12-2008, 20:13
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

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I have read lots of info about dissolving crystal meth with tap water. But, there is not much information on exactly how long it should typically take to do so...a few seconds, several minutes, or more?

What is the best average time to dissolve crystal meth with water for injecting that will get the highest concentration of product with the least amount of cut or other components dissolving into the mix as well?

Also, how much water is average? I seem to find that most prefer about .25mg of product with a 10mL water wash, which doubles to 20mL of dissolved inject solution on average?

Any opinions?
Wait or stir until everything has dissolved, this usually takes 10-20 seconds. It is not about maximum concentration, it is about dissolving ALL the methamphetamine. A filter should always be used to filter out any particles that are NOT methamphetamine.

The amount of water required is very little, just use enough to dissolve the product. If using a 1ml barrel then probably fill it 1/3 of the way with water. The methamphetamine will take up very little space. The amount of water is not really relevant as long as there is enough to dissolve the methamphetamine and not too much to fit in the syringe.
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Old 17-12-2008, 20:46
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

I was thinking it should only take a few seconds or only a minute or so to dissolve the methamphetamine from the cuts. A colleague and SWIM were debating the fact and the first argued that it takes at least 1 hour to get the meth out of it while the other argued that leaving it in water that long only dissolves more of the cut components thereby weakining the concentration and potency of the draw.
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Old 21-12-2008, 07:43
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

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Yes, it is bad to inject against the blood flow, I'm sure this causes massive damage to your veins.

Thanks for the link O.H, I couldn't find anything there specific to this though. But if you look at any safer injecting guide you will see the needle is ALWAYS inserted in the direction of the blood flow, and by all counts this is logical, I just can't find a source that fully explains the potential damage of not doing this.
Oh man so what about the common "hollywood" movie place always inside elbow isnt that against bloodflow?
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

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Oh man so what about the common "hollywood" movie place always inside elbow isnt that against bloodflow?
No that is not against the flow as long as the needle is facing towards the heart not towards the wrist.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

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I was thinking it should only take a few seconds or only a minute or so to dissolve the methamphetamine from the cuts. A colleague and SWIM were debating the fact and the first argued that it takes at least 1 hour to get the meth out of it while the other argued that leaving it in water that long only dissolves more of the cut components thereby weakining the concentration and potency of the draw.
From the cuts?? The colleague in question has obviously never shot meth. lol. It takes only a few seconds to smash down the shards with the cap end of the syringe, cut dissolves just as fast.

Meth will take like 5 seconds to break down, cut maybe 10 seconds, but if you shoot meth daily you don't wait, you smash it down in 2 seconds suck it all up and bam! Cut and all, waste not a drop!

The little amount of cut won't cause you to get less high, you wouldn't even notice.

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Old 23-12-2008, 06:54
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

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remember if it starts burning sensation when your injecting your missing the vein, stop or you will have a huge bruise if not worse.
fuck swim loves the needle but does not know how to operate it. swim had been injecting ritalin today and wasnt doin it finally just got some meth and found a vein but pulled out cuz swim didnt think he had it so he popped it back in and there was already blood in it and he just slammed it anyway cuz he had already been in and out looking for veins so many times now he thinks he wasted his sack plus he has 4inch bump with red blotch circle all around

swim had big bruises when he was doing it a couple months ago but he had friends to tell him he was okay now he is scared and alone

sad thing is swim thinks the worst part is he wasted his sack but swim remembers someone saying even if you miss it still is in you and its not a waste.

is swim going to be okay even tho there was blood in the syringe before he put it back in plus there might have been a bubble swim thought you needed a bubble at the top so the blood could come in.

swim has read all this and he must have a learning disability cuz he still sucks.

=[ sorry swim thinks this has been answered but does this sound like swim has an abcess coming it bled and he cleaned with papertowle and alcohol

what else can he do?
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Old 23-12-2008, 07:05
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

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fuck swim loves the needle but does not know how to operate it. swim had been injecting ritalin today and wasnt doin it finally just got some meth and found a vein but pulled out cuz swim didnt think he had it so he popped it back in and there was already blood in it and he just slammed it anyway cuz he had already been in and out looking for veins so many times now he thinks he wasted his sack plus he has 4inch bump with red blotch circle all around

swim had big bruises when he was doing it a couple months ago but he had friends to tell him he was okay now he is scared and alone

sad thing is swim thinks the worst part is he wasted his sack but swim remembers someone saying even if you miss it still is in you and its not a waste.

is swim going to be okay even tho there was blood in the syringe before he put it back in plus there might have been a bubble swim thought you needed a bubble at the top so the blood could come in.

swim has read all this and he must have a learning disability cuz he still sucks.

=[ sorry swim thinks this has been answered but does this sound like swim has an abcess coming it bled and he cleaned with papertowle and alcohol

what else can he do?
PULLING back and blood in the syringe is a good way to may sure swiy hit the vein..sounds like swiy has a hematoma...hematomas look REALLY serious but they arent..did swiy feel the drug fast? if so he did it right cuz it went in..the only other possible fuck up swim thinks swiy couldve done was insert the needle at an improper angle/depth and either went through the vein and injected junk into tissue..or did a depot injection (think thats the term) where the drug accumulated on the surface..dont know. also syringe if moved couldve possible injected only a portion of the drug into the vein and then swiy drew the needle slightly out and continued injecting and at that time missed the vein by having th eneedle positioned to high on the top vein wall and blood/junk leaked into tissue..some picture would help swiu
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

If the pain and swelling is bad or increases then seek medical attention immediately. It could be cellulitis which can cause septicemia which can be fatal if not treated immediately. It happened to this girl I know, she was told if she had waited any longer she could have died. The absess she had removed was the size of a baseball by the time she went to the hospital.

If in doubt, always seek professional help, it is not worth risking your life over.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

thanks responders

dont think its in need of med attention if it gets bad swim will seek out the help he needs

swim found a vein but thought he hadnt so he started pulling out and blood came into syringe

after syringe was all the way out swim tried putting it back into the same spot but must have not gotten it the second time so he slammed blood and meth above the vein

swim wasnt clear about the blood in the syringe after taking the syringe out and reinsirting.

IS that bad>? doesnt blood go bad as soon as it comes out of body?

the swelling has gone down a lil. =/ but the meth is still gone

swim needs to chuck his needles cuz he has only been successful maybe twice or 3times and he has about 15 holes in his arm including the fucked up bruised one,

fear of needles to love of needles in such a short time weird.
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Old 23-12-2008, 08:42
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

The blood is fine. There are 2 main problems that can occur when you have blood in the syringe before inserting it. One is that it can be difficult to tell when you have found the vein as there is already blood in the syringe, so more blood is not always obvious. The other is after a longer period of time or if the blood gets warm it can coagulate which blocks the needle and makes injecting it almost impossible.

By the sound of it (Obviously this is just a guess because I wasn't there) you pushed the needle in too fast and too far, so you went straight through the vein. You drew back and there was no blood so you pulled the needle out and in doing so pulled it back through the vein which is when the blood entered the syringe. I'm not sure where you actually injected the solution the second time around because you didn't check you were in a vein at all, so you could have been anywhere, but due to the swelling, bump and lack of a hit you obviously missed.

I would still recommend seeking medical attention, but you can also use a warm compress, that should help the swelling to go down if it isn't serious.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

Sorry to bump the thread guys but i was just reading it and there's alot of talk on IV injection and harm reduction. So i thought I would provide a link to "The Safer Injecting Handbook. 5th edition ". Highly recomended read for people who play with needles .

But I can't post the link (I need 50 posts to post a link), so if you want to read it google "turning point drugs" click on the first result and follow the link "At the sharp end" on the drop down menu called "Campaigns and Policy" then near the bottem of the page that you come to you will find a link
to get to it . I have actully got the book at home because turning point is my local drugs agency (needle exchange Etc.) but this is the online edition.

Hope this helps! Stay safe and have a good time ok!

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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

As said ^^, use destilled or tap water, cook the water and wait until
it is cold again. TT is not a fan of the insuline syringes, as they aren't
grinded for iv use.
What tt actually wanted to add is, and this also applies to amphetamine,
cocaine and other kind of speed: Never ever use the veins on your neck!
If you don't get a vein, then just let the stuff dry and sniff (is done fast
with a hairdryer after putting the liquid onto a big plate) or swallow the liquid.
But do yourself one favour and don't use the veins on the neck. Cause
this could kill you by letting the stuff hit your brain too fast, and on the
other side, an iv injection in the necks veins means, that directly after
injecting every impurity (dirt, cut, bacteria get into your heart). That's why
many Doc's even say "no" to taking blood samples from those veins:
It's the veins that should keep as clean as possible.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

Started this thread almost 3 years ago, alots changed since then. SWIM injected later that year, then finally beat the addiction soon there after Bangin. Speed has been replaced by opiates now in the area where SWIM lives.

tyranny why would you have to heat up distiled water? I was under the impression its pretty clean water, for the future people that interested I had an idea. Salene solution would be the best choice. Also what do mean by Insulin needles arn't grinded for IV use, a 28-29g is a good choice in SWIMs opinion, wont do to much damage if the user misses.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

Swim has never done meth(only b/c of it's unavailability) but is a heroin addict and has shot coke and adderoll before. Swim is curious how long the high last before comedown hits?(with meth). Swimdosent know if it has to do with his heroin addiction but any stimulant used on its own brings about and almost instant feeling of comedown. This was expected with coke but swim had heard that adderroll was supposed to last a little while. Of coarse the comedown is easily remedied by heroin. Swim is curious how much better iv meth is than iv adderrol?
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

High lasts anywhere to 4 to 12 hours, according to the amount IV'ed. IVing addies is too risky, hard to filter out all the impurities. Thrombosis is not a nice way to go.
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Swim has a method to avoid this. the yeild actually comes back 90% pure which is probably safer than most street speed any way. Swim is not saying the high doesn't last its just that it is not enjoyable after that first rush. If it is the case that with IV meth swiy get 4 hours of pleasurable experience than this is somthing he must try

xxdan123xx added 1 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

Swim should add that he has a rather decent organic chem/ biology background and this extraction can only be done bc he has access to solvents the normal person does not.

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Swim should add that he has a rather decent organic chem/ biology background and this extraction can only be done bc he has access to solvents the normal person does not.
What about acetone washing the meth? The Past years quality has gone down the hill in SWIMs area. SWIM finally got injecting right after playing with needles for the past 6 months, the links in this post help to an extent.

SWIM has recently got back into speed because of his knew found knowledge. SWIM just has some pointers, dont use a needle 50 times, it hurts and its harder to get into the vein, if you must contact your local needle exchange. And always make sure to register before you start injecting. SWIM has found it alot easier after a friend started shooting him up, you get a feeling for the vein and how the needle should go in.

There was a post about pulling the plunger back, SWIM use to have the same problem.He finds it easier if you have it the vein with your hand supporting that position using the arm thats taking the shot as a brace it, which is says in the links posted previously.

SWIM best advice get someone who knows how to work a rig, even if they're not a user, its safer in the long run, you get a feel for how the needle should be when they do it and try to be as sterile as possible.

Remember kids this a whole another step up from smoking, snorting or eating. Its very dangerous, addicting and is a last resort. Take in mind if you have bang then you probably need to take step back before you walk down a path that you might not return.
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Also SWIM has noticed psychosis is much more common with smokers than with IV users...
SWIM would most certainly agree with the validity of this statement. When SWIM used to smoke meth, SWIM did initially like the high, but SWIM found self becoming very strung out, spacey, & paranoid in a very short period of time.

However, when SWIM would inject meth, the high was much more intense & didn't carry with it the spun out feelings that make a "tweaker" uncomfortable. This is just SWIM's personal experience.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

^ Swim notices injecting is a cleaner high then snorting or smoking for some reason SWIM can go to sleep within 6 hours of shooting.
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

at the point where SWIM can start to go to sleep on it is when he should think of giving it up for a while. at least a few months. It is time to find a new toy for a while.

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about 5 times is when SWAN can Easily tell the needle is dull.

if it is dull then vein is missed Very easy..actually, in comparison, one could say it is almost impossible to hit with a dull needle.

also vein gets bigger hole with dull needle so vein gets used up quicker because more scar tissue forms.

blood vessels are very elastic tissue to begin with. and that is also why they should not get injections against the flow of blood; the vessel can blow up like a balloon. the blown tissue can be weak and may pop later under stress if it doesn't pop now. Using a vessel that is too small can make it fully blow immediately.

a vessel that is blown in any way no longer has straight blood flow and may result in pockets where clots can form.

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is it ok to miss a vein?
no. it can kill SWIM. nice thing is, the caustic drug will create burning sensation but missing can kill like this>contact with drug can cause tissue to die over time and bacteria proliferate on the dead tissue. after their numbers become great enough bacteria travels in blood stream to heart and kills SWIM.

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re-use without sharpening
vein rolls round dull needle rather than getting penetrated.

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why insulin needles suck
they leave dull grey spots on the skin that will look like connect the dot spots. not every hit will show but many of them will. i think it is because some needles shed material. i think it might be silver they shed because contact with silver turns skin grey like a tattoo after exposure to sunlight (called argyria).

stainless steel needles will not do that but it would need sharpening.

serious advice from cakes to you>if SWIM cannot score prepaid credit card and find needles off internet site then SWIM is not having life skills to start needle use at this time in his life.

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about .25mg of product with a 10mL water wash, which doubles to 20mL of dissolved inject solution on average
there is a typo. it should be .25 grams, not mg. And but such a dose of street strength crystal is Full strength and even a smidgen over is only for Very experienced people.

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how to do it
only the bottom three fingers grip syringe.

thumb and forefinger operate plunger.

heel of hand Firmly planted on adjacent area.

after tip of needle is in BUT before vein depth<<is when SWIM pulls back plunger just a little so a vacum is achieved in barrel.

no bubbles should he see come in when he does that.

re-adjusts fingers so is ready to operate plunger when sees flash. keeps eye on barrel whole time during adjustment to see vacum is not lost. can see vacum is lost if bubbles enter.

Now he is ready to hit vein. will see flash as soon as he hits so must go Very slow or else will be in act of passing through as he is searching.

passing through means missing.

does plunger a little bit slow to avoid blowing vein. does Real slow at first to see if he feels the burning of a miss.

if he holds spot like nurse for a second it can bleed less inside.

if he rinses syringe 3 times with water will avoid clogs better if/when reusing but stainless steel and glass are easily cleaned later so don't really need rinsing immediately i.e. can enjoy high.

and he doesn't want to dull tip as he puts it down.

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Old 23-06-2009, 23:12
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

Just thought I'd post pics of needles, new, one use and after two uses. Make your own judgment.

Personally I would get a new rig every injection. But I can easily get 100 rigs at a time for very little money.

New



One Use


Second Use



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intensely illustrative post. the tip is clearly non-existant.
This should be stickied somewhere. Cannot stress enough, the importace of a new needle every time!
A great depiction that might make some people think twice about using dirty riggs.
Education meets "shock-factor" - Great contribution towards harm reduction!
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Re: Injecting Methamphetamine

I just wanted to point out that if SWIY were to use tap water over distilled water. Let the faucet run for a bit first. Running the taps will flush out any sediment or metals that had accumulated in the water standing in the household pipes. Also, (In the US) the EPA, which regulates municipal water supplies has higher purity/safety standards than the FDA which regulates bottled water. In fact, many brands of bottled water are in fact just bottled tap water. A large Atlanta-based company comes to mind.

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