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Old 23-09-2008, 06:08
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Iv methadone

Has anyone Iv'ed methadone before? Swim has done it a few time with doses at 40mg up to 120mg. Swim used the search engine but didn't find anything. Let him know if this has been covered before.
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Old 23-09-2008, 09:05
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Re: Iv methadone

SWIM has injected methadone before, it was shit,swim injected about 4-5mls worth or normal 1ml/1ml methadone, as said - Did nothing!

However swim heard that theres stronger methadone available from doctors that can be used to IV specifaclly.

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Re: Iv methadone

Only IV methadone if it is designed for injection, ie. in ampules. One of my dog's friends had a injectable methadone script many years back. It certainly works, if you like that kind of buzz. Surely no one would think of injecting methadone which is meant to be taken orally? There is no real rush like there is, reportedly, with heroin or morphine, anyway.

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Methadone is almost as effective when administered orally as by injection. In fact, injection of methadone does not result in a "rush" as with most opioids, because its extraordinarily high volume of distribution causes it to diffuse into other tissues in the body, particularly fatty tissue; the peak concentration in the blood is achieved at roughly the same time, whether the drug is injected or ingested. Though there seems to be some discrepancy regarding effects felt from one person to the next, "rush" like effects have been occasionally reported by some. At best, most oral and pill preparations of the drug are hardly suitable for intravenous injection and perhaps account for the prevailing attitude against IV use.

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Re: Iv methadone

swim usually had to iv at least 40mg to feel anything, which is a waste but swim loves to iv stuff. the time swim shot 120mg he was nodding in and out for the rest on the night, later he ate a quarter of shrooms cuz he was feeling normal but then it came back and kicked swims ass, he never did trip from the shrooms.
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Re: Iv methadone

swim has iv'ed methadone, and it is really nothing to write home about. there is no rush, and the dangers of injecting pills outweigh any benefits that may come with mainlining methadone.

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Old 24-09-2008, 20:48
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Re: Iv methadone

SWIM has tried IV'ing 'done before, a liquid solution meant to be taken orally, and there was no perceivable benefit from IV'ing it as opposed to taking it orally. Like previous posters have stated, methadone has an extremely high oral bioavailability, and due to its relatively slower pace of absorbtion, the risks involved with IV use does not outweight the "benefit" of the faster route of administration.

So yah. SWIM recommends SWIY stays away from IV'ing 'done, especially if it is not the ampules which are made for injection, as the less binders/fillers/oral solution ingredients SWIY injects, the better.
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Re: Iv methadone

injecting methadone meant for oral use is exstramily dangeros and knomaly will lead to instant vein colapse and exstream pain. swim has injected methadose which can be taken oraly or injected and is 5mg/1ml they injected 2mls so 10mgs of it and they got a nice buzz a bit more than oral use also fealt sleepy like when taking h, but this is not somthing swim would do on a reguler basis. it is somthing to look at if swiy also has a injection fixation along with herion addiction but apart from that not worth the trouble. also there is a huge risk involed in geting the diffirent types mixed up together this has even happend when given out by pharmasists over the years courseing problems for the people useing it and thuse making dispensing legislation tighten up.
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Re: Iv methadone

swim used to iv physeptone ,methadone 10mg tabs, often up to one box at a time (200mgs)...
swim can safely say that when iv ing ATLEAST 80mgs or more that the high and euphoria was significantly better and longer lasting than oxy, pethidine(demerol) and any morphines...
the demerol was more nodding, but the physeptone was soo relaxing and u were conscious enough to enjoy it...

on the other hand, swim used to also iv liquid methadone too...
he used to rig up a butterfly(drip), then load up about 10 syringes and bam! wasnt anywhere near the physeptone, but made u relaxed and a lil sleepy. at times swim accidentaly went into an artery, didnt know at the time tho, went in real slow and even then stung like hell. he thinks that the methadone down under has some sort of alcohol or other deterring substance in it....

frankz81 added 2 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

swim will just add, do not iv or ingest anywhere near 200mgs without a bullet proff tolerance!! this will almost certainly od a tolerant chipper

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Re: Iv methadone

same as most of methadone in uk it has ethanol aswell a sugars and e numbers, un-less it is for injection.
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Re: Iv methadone

SWIM used to get Methadone amps a while back, 4*50mgs a day(200mgs). The amps were 'concentrates' 50mg/1ml SWIM has to put up with being supervised while drinking the green methadone mixture and this is not a THING on IVing proper amps and SWIM is pretty adventurous with IVing and once many years back did try and IV some of the green stuff. Big mistake, REAL bad hit.... in the UK at least they add some nasty ingredients to the mix including chloroform so we can't inject it(but hey get cancer of the chloroform but as long as we're not injecting that's OK...) SWIM is working on getting a job so SWIM can pay to get SWIM's amps back(private script). OT SWIM LOVED the Methadone amps(IVing them of course) more than other opiates IV'd.... SWIM really wants SWIMS amps back Methadone amps are VERY nice for SWIM but SWIM does not think much of oral methadone but then asks people what oral opiate can compare to an IV one

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Re: Iv methadone

To MotherSuperior,
How would SWIY compare injecting methadone(amps) to heroin or morphine?
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Re: Iv methadone

It's a personal thing but when SWIM had a 200mg a day IV Methadone habit, SWIM found that not even a gram of IV brown would touch SWIM(SWIM only did this once and was surprised but it's the truth).

SWIM nowdays has a just under a gram ma day habit of H but is managing OK on 70mls of oral Methadone... not brilliant and it will go up.

SWIM used to mix Dexedrine with the amps for a REAL nice hit and so did/do many others. In SWIMS opinion that is one of the best hits SWIM has EVER had and swim has tried them all at some time or other although SWIM suspects if SWIM had a lower tolerance SWIM would prefer brown and white(Speedball) as for SWIM the only amount of Methadone worth doing IV was 50mg+ and without a tolerance as SWIM had once after a(nother) detox SWIM was gouching all day.

If SWIM had to choose now either Diamorphine amps or Methadone amps, SWIM would go for the Methadone amps. SWIM has really learnt to love the H high a lot(for some reason SWIM is far more alert and not gouching so much even on large amounts of brown) but SWIM would say that Methadone IV would 'win' not only because it's effects SWIM prefers SLIGHTLY over Heroin but because SWIMs been doing this for a long time and has problems with venous access.... usually in the groin(SWIM knows.... very risky.... SWIM has had trouble but the needle addiction for SWIM is the toughest to beat...) so with diamorphine as it is in this country in a lot of areas, SWIM would have to go to a clinic 4 times a day so they can watch SWIM inject(you would be VERY lucky to find a place at one of these clinics). Thats the other thing with H, SWIM finds SWIM starts clucking dead on 4 hours. With Methadone, SWIM would inject once or maybe twice a day at SWIMs own leisure with no clucking worries and no work worries.... furthermore SWIMs veins might last a bit longer with less than half the amount of injections.

So, to summarize. SWIM prefers IV methadone to IV H.... just. Both 'experience wise'(feels 'nicer') and YOU DO get a real nice hit from IV Methadone(in the right dose though like everything).

SWIM would prefer IV Methadone to IV H on a maintenance program for the reasons given above.

To re-iterate for SWIM 4 hours of H would cause problems.... SWIM knows this as SWIM has not always had a script.... in fact SWIMs script only got re-started a few weeks back and frankly SWIM is so glad to be doing something other than slaving to a 4 hour timer to get SWIMS next hit however SWIM can. Even if SWIM could afford it and forgetting the bad veins situation, every 4 hours can be pretty intrusive especially if you are at family's house(who think/hope SWIM is 'clean') or at work(SWIM is an RN so work is hard to come by since SWIM was 'outed' as a junkie). SWIM loves H but found when SWIM had to actually 'get on' with stuff H was just getting SWIM too high then 4 hours later SWIM was clucking again.... not so with Methadone.

Some people prefer IV H to IV Methadone, in fact a lot do. Some days SWIM thinks SWIM does but remember that for some weird reason pharmacetiucal H just seems 'different' to street gear. SWIM does not know why but knows this puts a few people off. SWIM doesn't think it is worse but it's just.... different.

I guess that the situation changes greatly if we are talking about a one off 'binge' or talking about a maintenance regime. In a binge situation SWIM thinks SWIM might go for IV H and some nice white(NO.... now SWIM is wanting to score!!! wait). For maintenance or even just to 'cover' you, IV methadone would be SWIMS choice... REAL nice hit and SWIY is ok for the next 24hours ish(depending on SWIYs tolerance).

I will be getting my amps soon as soon as I manage to get a permant job... or win the lottery, come into some money. It's actually not all that expensive and certainly less than SWIMs 4+ bag a day habit but it's weird SWIM could always raise the money for drugs when SWIM was sick but now SWIMs on a Methadone script(again) SWIM has trouble even getting togther the money for a packet of cigarettes.

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Re: Iv methadone

What about morphine amps? SWIMs heard pharmecutical brown aint as good as street H, why is that? SWIM was thinking about going on a morphine amp script yet have never really considered IV methadone, swims on oral 40ml methadone and doesnt really feel great, so doesnt really sound appealling however like SWIY addiction to the needle is a huge factor when deciding treatment..

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Re: Iv methadone

SWIMs been there, done that.... SWIM used to want the tabs so SWIM could add a bit of acetic anhydride magic(etc) and end up with 3,6 DiactylMorphine(H).

OT IMHO Morphine amps.... well SWIM did change their Methadone amps for Morphine amps some time back.... that lasted about a day... VERY bad decision. Morphine is no where NEAR as potent as methadone gram for gram(therefore H to, obviously).

Off the top of SWIMS head he cant remember the conversion rates but SWIM thinks it's Methadone is about twice as 'potent' as Morphine(IV.... when Morphine is taken orally the numbers REALLY change as Morphine has poor bioavailability orally) so your 40mg of oral Methadone will be the same as 80mg of IV Morphine. Incidentaly SWIM thinks that Diamorphine is 3 times stronger gram for gram then morphine(ok we all know it changes into morphine etc.... bbb barrier yeah... prodrug... etc but there you go.... now when 6 NAM starts getting more popular!!!!).

Morphine is an 'odd' hit IV, some people like it(not many would favour it for IV H or IV methadone or IV OC.... and so on). SWIM thinks it's ok and Morphine has got SWM out of some pretty nasty clucks so kinda likes those odd 'itchy' feelings after it is injected as shortly no more sickness!

Just out of interest, how is it SWIY would be getting Morphine amps but gets Methadone orally? Blackmarket? Anyway in SWIMS opinion Morphine amps are nothing to get excited about except if your clucking then their a God send but then so is any opiate that puts SWIMMERS straight.
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Re: Iv methadone

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Morphine is an 'odd' hit IV, some people like it(not many would favour it for IV H or IV methadone or IV OC.... and so on). SWIM thinks it's ok and Morphine has got SWM out of some pretty nasty clucks so kinda likes those odd 'itchy' feelings after it is injected as shortly no more sickness!

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Swim agrees, a morphine tab ived feels strange, almost like swiy is turning into the incredible hulk and then its done. of course swim is talking about the orange 60 mg morphine tabs, swim has never had the amps.
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Re: Iv methadone

swim is just curious as a few say your in uk and geting methadone or mophine injections on perscription is this privet or on the nhs? just wondering as swims drug team will only perscribe oral methadone and subutext. swim know which part uk your in helps to. also its best to get diamophine for injecting.
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Re: Iv methadone

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SWIM has injected methadone before, it was shit,swim injected about 4-5mls worth or normal 1ml/1ml methadone, as said - Did nothing!

However swim heard that theres stronger methadone available from doctors that can be used to IV specifaclly.

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Only IV methadone if it is designed for injection, ie. in ampules. One of my dog's friends had a injectable methadone script many years back. It certainly works, if you like that kind of buzz. Surely no one would think of injecting methadone which is meant to be taken orally? There is no real rush like there is, reportedly, with heroin or morphine, anyway.
Apparently, some people have gotten a rush from it, or at least they reported to have gotten a rush from IV'ing Methadone. Wether that's true, I don't know, but it might be possible that it can differ among each individual.

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swim is just curious as a few say your in uk and geting methadone or mophine injections on perscription is this privet or on the nhs? just wondering as swims drug team will only perscribe oral methadone and subutext. swim know which part uk your in helps to. also its best to get diamophine for injecting.
That would be quite unique if doctors in the UK would prescribe opioid injection ampoules to opioid addicts. Here in the Netherlands, Palfium(dextromoramide), an opioid which in it's oral form has simmilar bioavailability and effects in terms of euphoria and the rush when taking orally compared to IV'ed, as well as compared to any other opioid IV'ed. They used to be prescibred in it's oral form to several addicted Heroin addicts, along with Methadone, so as to keep them from IV'ing Heroin. Nowaday's, Palfium isn't prescribed for this purpose anymore if I'm not mistaken, but instead, 3 gram sterile glas vials of pharmaceutical Heroin HCl for injection(in the UK, they are available as well, but only up to 500mg. In Switzerland, those 500mg ampoules were also used for some time, but after a while replaced by 10 gram ones! ) are prescribed and dispenced, however, only under very strict circumstances, of which one is that any other treatment(Methadone or Bupe maintenance, etc.) has failed. Can you imagine that, 3 grams of 100% pure, white, uncut Heroin HCl, ready to be injected only needing some water to be IV'ed .... I actually obtained one of the prescription leaflets, here it is:
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Re: Iv methadone

yeah swim knows u have to of failed but shurely being on a mix of h subutext and methadone for 8 yrs is a failyer is it not? swim knows some places are licenced to perscribe iv diamorphine or simerla to h addicts in the uk but depends on area and if like swiy say's one has failed.
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Re: Iv methadone

It depends, in medical terms yes, if SWIY has been on those drugs for the whole time during those 8 years. Though SWIM has been addicted to IV Heroin for almost 6 months, and is now addicted to Methadone due to switching over for tapering, and he knows what it is like. He thinks you've never failed, to some people, staying on maintenance drugs like Methadone and Bupe for the rest of their lifes is the best option. SWIY could possibly qualify for pharmaceutial Heroin though. Has SWIY tried to get it prescribed yet?
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Re: Iv methadone

Why is SWIY switching over to methadone from heroin for tapering purposes? Wouldnt it be easier to reduce using IV pharmecutical heroin.

To adzket it doesnt really matter what youve been on for eight years, six months is usaully enough time if SWIYs been using on top of maintenace program to be placed on an injectable opiate .
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Re: Iv methadone

swim has hinted about it but there doc is reluctant to even send them to rehab plus swim does not think there licenced to perscribe for this perpous where they live. how would swiys sugest bringing it up? and with g.p or substance misuse team?
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Re: Iv methadone

Locally- GP is the best bet, most DDU teams dont use injectable opiates as a treatment option, there are specialize DDU clinics located within the UK that do however, so its about how much effort swiy wants to put into getting on the script.
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Re: Iv methadone

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swim has hinted about it but there doc is reluctant to even send them to rehab plus swim does not think there licenced to perscribe for this perpous where they live. how would swiys sugest bringing it up? and with g.p or substance misuse team?
CDT's GP's e.t.c will only prescribe iv diamorphine-IV methadone as a last resort even in palative care,swim as been using for many many years but because swim isn't out grafting,done time or out mugging old ladies he's classed as low risk,swim can't even get back on a methadone script without going on a waiting list-They tend to deal with the highest risk patients first.(which is fair enough)
If swim jacked is job in tomorrow did a chemist shop over and maybe a bit of shoplifting he would be scripted methadone within a week!!
So think of that in terms of an IV script and swim dosen't know swiys situation.But the chances are unless somebody as been scripted pre 90's,is lucky enough to be picked out for a medical study or can afford to "buy a doctor" you ain't going to get nhs "H"
Sorry.....Q
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Re: Iv methadone

re:Iv methadone:my cats friend thinks it unlikely anyone will get an iv script nhs unless they live near a clinic that gives it to you twice a day & you inject on the premises in front of a staff member.Apparently 50% get iv & 50% get oral.Or this is what mcf & her tom have been told by a couple of strays that attend one nearby.they were also told that who gets what is decided by computer!Mcf & tom consider themselves very lucky to both be getting iv methadone on the nhs that they can use at home & at their leisure(incidentally they say its called physeptone or more usually phy - or at least it used to be).when asked how is it that u r so lucky mcf said (of course)"curiosity killed the cat"with a smug little grin,but then relented saying "we got our scripts a very,very long time ago when it was standard policy to give iv to those who could show they needed it" madfan
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Re: Iv methadone

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re:Iv methadone:my cats friend thinks it unlikely anyone will get an iv script nhs unless they live near a clinic that gives it to you twice a day & you inject on the premises in front of a staff member.Apparently 50% get iv & 50% get oral.Or this is what mcf & her tom have been told by a couple of strays that attend one nearby.they were also told that who gets what is decided by computer!Mcf & tom consider themselves very lucky to both be getting iv methadone on the nhs that they can use at home & at their leisure(incidentally they say its called physeptone or more usually phy - or at least it used to be).when asked how is it that u r so lucky mcf said (of course)"curiosity killed the cat"with a smug little grin,but then relented saying "we got our scripts a very,very long time ago when it was standard policy to give iv to those who could show they needed it" madfan
As swiy is a newbie swim will be gentle also as mrs swim has been smoking the Good stuff again(she is on a full nod and the only words swim could understand her to say were"Talking out of his arse") so swim is unable to double check with her on the true facts and will have to trust in his own memory bank.
Physeptone is simply a trade name ie "5mg methadone HCL tablets"
IV ampoules contain methadone HCL in various concentrations ie 10mg/1ml,20mg/2ml,35mg/3.5ml,50mg/5ml and some dilute??
50% oral 50% iv swim thinks not!but will post %/% when mrs swim awakes?
Computer selection? So this lottery type selection could give a working male who has been smoking 2 bags of H p/day treatment ahead of a pregnant lady who has been Injecting 6 bags of H p/day swim thinks not.
Please try and check some of swiys info if said info is "HEARSAY" when mrs swim gets her lazy ass out of bed swim will check and edit (if need be)
Swim is not trying to disrespect swiymadfan and it is good that a newbie is trying to add info to the debate and for that swiy deserves a little respect!
Regards swim.....Q
AND WELCOME TO DF SWIYmadfan

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