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Old 01-10-2008, 05:34
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GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

Swim has noticed and jotted down the behavior differences while on GHB, vs his normal personality.

First thing is boldness. Alcohol doesn't produce quite as much boldness as GHB. When swim takes ghb, he becomes aggressive. He is much more bold. Swim is a very shy person normally, not very outspoken, doesn't dance, doesn't sing in public, and has a hard time talking to girls. When swim is on GHB, he doesn't have that hard of a time talking to girls; he is almost numb and doesn't care. Swim has also gotten laid twice in the last 2 weeks, for the first time in 10 years of being too shy. He met the girl in town and fucked her the same night. Problem is swim has no inhibitions; swim met a girl he wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole sober, but when he is on G he doesn't care. She is really fat and not that great looking at all. Swim is a pretty good looking, but shy man, and always prefers the looks of really hot babes; although, lacking the ability to be rejected easily by them. But he would never go after a fat unattractive woman, unless he was on G, not even on alcohol. Swim just wants to fuck like a maniac.

Also, swim has no fear of fighting when he is on G, or staring at people, or even saying high to people that would normally look threatening to him when not high. Swim discusses things well in class (college) and is not afraid of public speaking when on G. Swim also feels like he can run a mile in 2 seconds on G (the right dose). He doesn't feel as emotional on G. He is not afraid to speak up, nor to sing loudly so that all the neighbors can hear. Also, he enjoys dancing and acting and feeling sexy on G. It sort of lifts all of his social and personal anxieties from childhood abuse and trauma. It even makes him friendly with the people he lives with, who he doesn't like very much normally. Also, he feels generous. All the years swim has taken shit from people cause of shyness and fears, he seems to be able to handle and even be aggressive in a good way, on G.

The problem is, this is exactly what makes it addicting. And swim immediately started looking into how to get prescription xyrem, instead of ordering it, so that he could be on G for life. The problem is that it is hard to obtain a prescription.

Overall though, G has helped swim to overcome things of self-consciousness and unwarranted fears, even while not on G. This is due to swim being able to see that there was nothing to be afraid of all along, but only G gave him the courage and calmness to find this out.

Physical addiction has yet to be accounted for; can say that swim does feel lethargic without G, when he has gone a while without. Plus right now, he thinks due to taking too much butanediol, he has flue symptoms at the moment and feels weak. He is trickling his usage off with potassium ghb and plenty of water and vitamins.

Good but not to be abused.

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Old 01-10-2008, 18:28
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Re: GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

This is exactly the sort of scenario I have been talking about for a long time now. A user who, whilst they may not be physically addicted to G (yet), finds that they want to keep dosing because it, appears, to resolve a lot of their social problems.

It doesn't. Repeated daytime dosing of G is NO different than being an alcoholic who keeps necking can after can of beer just to "keep a buzz going" through the day.

What will follow, if a user in this situation does not change his behaviour, will be the inevitable slide into 24/7 dosing and full on physical addiction.

SWIY needs to sort his shit out.

What are his intentions at this point?
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Old 01-10-2008, 20:47
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Re: GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

Swim does realize the potential for addiction here. He started going about sort of a 24/7 dosing, but he notices that G builds a high tolerance. It now takes 5 ml of 1,4 B for the same effects as 2.0ml initially. It takes 3.5-4 ml of GBL for same effect as 1.5ml, and it can take sometimes up to 5 or more ml of sodium GHB to produce same effects as 2.5; the potassium GHB seems to take about 10 ml, and they are all 1 gram per 1ml of water. Swim wishes there was more on making the potassium GHb on this forum; maybe he did it wrong, cause the stuff is really weak. Also, GHB loses its energetic feeling after the dose gets higher due to tolerance buildup. In other words the positive energy where you want to run and dance and be a good person, becomes an intoxicated food eating fein, who snaps in and out of consciousness. Not too helpful there.

The effects of GHB last though. Swim is tapering off and is down to 2 doses of koh-ghb a day with no problems. GHB helps a person to get over plenty of issues. It is like taking any other type of antidepressant. The effects are positive and seem like they last even when GHB isn't administered. This is due to the fact that the mind is still intelligent enough while on G to realize when he or she is not, that he or she doesn't have to be on it, in order to do the things that he or she just did.

Swim never got into G to get high really. He didn't even know what it would do, just that it would help produce growth hormone. Swim does no other drugs, but has tried all of them almost, including opium, coke, crack, meth, shrooms (plenty of times), lsd, hash/marijuana (smoked for years), mescaline, lsa, etc.. Get the point. Swim does none of these drugs anymore, nor had any problem with them. The only thing that was appealing about G was that it was supposed to be "healthy." Swim is into working out also, and has taken plenty of other secretagogues. Also, he needed a sleep aid cause he has a hard time drifting to sleep, due to his mind turning over and over; ghb stops this constant thought.

Overall, swim appreciate the advice; it is great, but it is not like swim to be addicted to anything. He may have social disorders, but he's a strong person. His intentions are therapeutic, and he believes that most legal, prescription drugs are very unhealthy, or he might have tried those ones. Also, when swims supply runs out, don't count on him ever finding anymore of it; plus, no one has G where swim lives anyway; it is almost impossible to find without becoming a regular member at the gay clubs. Ordering analogues brings unwanted tension and worry, and would never be attempted by swim.

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Old 02-10-2008, 11:29
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Re: GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

With mentioning using G for sleep, how does SWIY dose for that if he has been using during the day/evening?
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Old 02-10-2008, 21:58
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Re: GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

Swim usually just passes out for about 1 -3 hours and then wakes up all of a sudden, after a while of using. But swim has no problem going back to bed early in the morning without dosing again, or by just taking a small amount of one of the analogues. 1, 4 is better for sleeping in his opinion; he doesn't wake up till morning, but constant usage of this stuff definitely makes the body feel toxic. Swim can always either fall asleep, or go do something on G, no matter how many times he has done it in a day; it usually works the same, given the tolerance build-up. But the tolerance build up is no good, just to mention, cause for one, it is a waste of product, and two, you get, especially with 1, 4, but also with GHB and GBL, the build up syndrome, where swim knows he's had too much and scrounges around for food, water, anything to make the high go down a bit, then he passes out. It's good to keep the dosing at beginner level. Swims beginner level was about 1.5ml GBL, 2-2.5 1, 4 BD, and 3-5 Na-GHB. The potassium shit just doesn't seem to work at all for swim, even at 10 ml. Doesn't know why. But that is the basic on how he might use it to sleep. But swim doesn't like it as much for sleep, cause of the wake ups, which actually can disturb the accumulation of actual rest in a week, leaving him more tired. Swim rather sleep normally, and use Ghb for a cat-nap, where he passes out comfortably for a couple hours and produces growth hormone, and wakes feeling refreshed and calm. It gives him more energy and recuperation during the week, and his muscles feel stronger (that is until ghb becomes abused and swim started taking it more than ten times a day of any of 1, 4, gbl, or ghb.). Swim backed off, and would probably have gone with a more therapeutic usage, provided he had a supply of what he doesn't have anymore.
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Re: GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

Swim started using GHB about 1 month ago. He has noticed the exact same effect that swiy described. Swim was getting addicted(dosing almost everyday), untill 1 week ago. Still thinking about getting some G for this weekend. Swim feels like when he is on G, he is the person he wants to be all the time. Problem is when the G wears off, swim is back to his old self again, always second guessing everything, anxious, and having crappy social skills(especially with girls). Swim knows that when he's on G chances of getting pussy are a hell of a lot higher, because he will talk to girls without being nervous and also not be acting "fucked up" like on alcohol. Fuck. Its annoying having to be on a drug to be able to act normal.
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Old 04-10-2008, 23:32
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Re: GHB and behavior differences and addiction (mental) (personal according to swim)

tell swim about it brainmelt! Swim can't do it too long or the high starts to get kind of junk, like shallow breathing, dehydration, etc.. The thing is, it makes a person who is shy and anxious not care, and just do things as if rejection doesn't matter much; swim can do this also cause he's calm and feels so good about life. Fuck it sucks having this kind of fuckin disorder. Swim can more than likely blame his parents and possibly the insecure school systems for making him shy, nervous, and unassertive, and needing a drug, whether it is GHB, prozac, or whatever, to make him feel unanxious and able to do what stable raised people just do fuckin normally. Swim should try to see that what he can do on G, he can also do without, by seeing how people responded to him.

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