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Old 23-07-2008, 16:36
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

Swim performed the acetone wash last week, using 99.7% acetone and 2g of cola. After wash Swim was left with 0.97. As others have noted, the amount of post-wash cola looks a helluva lot bigger than it actually is due to it's fluffiness. It still looked like 2g's!!!

Unfortunately, Swim was on the pre-washed cola a couple of nights before he tried the washed stuff which meant he was a little tired and had a slightly irritated nose, and was perhaps not in the best state to truly judge the difference in the high . A couple of Swim's friends, however, reported zero stinging in the nose, a tapering off of the effects and no craving / bad feeling once the amount on the table was beginning to run low. With this stuff before washing, Swim and friends just couldn't wait to do the next line. After washing, it was just not such a big deal. What's not to love about that?

The main thing Swim was able to notice was the total absence of those heart pounding, heart-in-the-mouth physical feelings. Who knows what was dissolved in the wash but Swim would put money on there having been a fair bit of caffeine powder in there (caffeine is soluble in acetone). This has confirmed Swim's belief that 'strong cola' does not necessarily mean 'good cola'. The cola Swim's been thinking was good all this time was partly because a small line would get your heart racing - a bit like downing a double espresso on an empty stomach might!

Conclusion: this is definitely worth doing! It's so easy to perform and the only thing that can go wrong, really, is if Swiy was to use too low a grade acetone which has too much water and / or alcohol.

Swim doesn't think he'll bother doing non-washed cola again. It's easier on the nose, easier on the eye, flies up the straw like Swim's snorting air and also, importantly, despite 'losing' 50% of product it still looks like the same amount afterwards!


All praise due to Le Junk!!!
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Old 24-07-2008, 03:10
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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Swim performed the acetone wash last week, using 99.7% acetone and 2g of cola. After wash Swim was left with 0.97. As others have noted, the amount of post-wash cola looks a helluva lot bigger than it actually is due to it's fluffiness. It still looked like 2g's!!!

Unfortunately, Swim was on the pre-washed cola a couple of nights before he tried the washed stuff which meant he was a little tired and had a slightly irritated nose, and was perhaps not in the best state to truly judge the difference in the high . A couple of Swim's friends, however, reported zero stinging in the nose, a tapering off of the effects and no craving / bad feeling once the amount on the table was beginning to run low. With this stuff before washing, Swim and friends just couldn't wait to do the next line. After washing, it was just not such a big deal. What's not to love about that?

The main thing Swim was able to notice was the total absence of those heart pounding, heart-in-the-mouth physical feelings. Who knows what was dissolved in the wash but Swim would put money on there having been a fair bit of caffeine powder in there (caffeine is soluble in acetone). This has confirmed Swim's belief that 'strong cola' does not necessarily mean 'good cola'. The cola Swim's been thinking was good all this time was partly because a small line would get your heart racing - a bit like downing a double espresso on an empty stomach might!

Conclusion: this is definitely worth doing! It's so easy to perform and the only thing that can go wrong, really, is if Swiy was to use too low a grade acetone which has too much water and / or alcohol.

Swim doesn't think he'll bother doing non-washed cola again. It's easier on the nose, easier on the eye, flies up the straw like Swim's snorting air and also, importantly, despite 'losing' 50% of product it still looks like the same amount afterwards!


All praise due to Le Junk!!!


Le Junk say's, your more than welcome! Anyway, Le Junk's been absent from the forum for quite some time now due to the fact SWIM just had SWIM's very first, and last, child in early June. A beautiful little baby girl named ******** . Therefore, SWIM has temporarily suspended SWIM's use of said no, no's, and is just spending time enjoying SWIM's family. SWIM's very, very happy! SWIM will periodically check in though seeing as how SWIM is notified of any replies in this thread.

SWIM's going to add to SWIY's remarks and approval of said acetone wash. SWIM say's the anhydrous acetone wash is 99% all anyone would ever need to make themselves happy with their end product. It is IMPERATIVE that you wait at least 24 hours for full evaporation, and preferably 48 hours. Yes, there is a HUGE difference in not just the looks and lack of any smell or irritation, but even moreso, the overall buzz! There is an actual chemical reaction still taking place in the final washed product that isn't fully complete until the full 48 hours evaporation time is up. It's not just for health reasons, it's for buzz reasons, for God's sake! In addition, it's IMPERATIVE, one crushes up the final product as fine as possible at the 48 hour mark on a clean ceramic plate, then transfers all that fine powder onto one end of a clean wax coated paper plate. It must be wax coated. Slightly tilt the plate towards you, allthewhile gently tapping underneath the pile. The true cocaine crystals will pop right out of the pile and fall down towards you. Stop frequently, collect those crystals and transfer them onto a clean ceramic plate. Push the pile on the wax coated paper plate back up to the top and keep repeating this process until all of the crystals are on the ceramic plate, and a dullish white powder is all that remains on the paper plate. Discard the dull white powder. It's junk, trust me!

Now, crush those pure cocaine crystals on the ceramic plate up into an even finer crystals. They're about 90-95% pure cocaine at this point. Now break into lines, snort and enjoy! This is all one would ever hypothetically need to do to acheive 100% perfect results. There is absolutely NO NEED to perform any more advanced techniques that involve daring extractions and/or recrystallizations. SWIM repeats, NO NEED! You really have to trust SWIM on this one. It turns out, the easiest method is the best method, period! But the crude, yet extremely effective wax coated paper plate thingy is the key to this entire projects success. Without it, and just the acetone wash alone, your results will only be 70% at best. So gently tap your way to perfection.

SWIM's gotta tell ya', this SWIM, SWIY thing is very difficult to become use to, so please excuse SWIM for any unintentional disclosure problems. The mods have full power to adjust SWIM's above post to help SWIM out, if need be.

SWIM out!

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Old 24-07-2008, 03:44
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

Swim has just read this reply and has a question. Swim has just prepared some salt from the 5kg extraction method. The way swim crushes the salt is to place some paper over it and press it down as hard as possible with a hard object, then with a razor gently drag it across the surface, the result is somewhat like talcum powder with no crystaline structure at all. Seeing as swim made this from the leaves, swim presumes that this dull white powder is obviously all cola.

Swim would like to add though that it had a triple acetone wash. This took 45 seconds, using the aeropress coffee maker, (google) which forces the acetone out under pressure. The acetone buggers the aeropress after a couple of goes, so it may not be worth it for a small amount, but for larger ammounts swim cannot see a better method to wash as it only uses a very small bit of filter paper and there is no squeezing, in fact swiy could do 6 washes in a 90 seconds. All the acetone is pressed out and nothing actually touches the cola. Or is it better to let the crushed cola sit in the acteone for a long period?

BTW the same aeropress was used for the permangaate filtration which did the job in about 10 seconds with no wasted rica.
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Old 27-07-2008, 07:15
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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SWIM's going to add to SWIY's remarks and approval of said acetone wash. SWIM say's the anhydrous acetone wash is 99% all anyone would ever need to make themselves happy with their end product. It is IMPERATIVE that you wait at least 24 hours for full evaporation, and preferably 48 hours. Yes, there is a HUGE difference in not just the looks and lack of any smell or irritation, but even moreso, the overall buzz! There is an actual chemical reaction still taking place in the final washed product that isn't fully complete until the full 48 hours evaporation time is up. It's not just for health reasons, it's for buzz reasons, for God's sake! In addition, it's IMPERATIVE, one crushes up the final product as fine as possible at the 48 hour mark on a clean ceramic plate, then transfers all that fine powder onto one end of a clean wax coated paper plate. It must be wax coated. Slightly tilt the plate towards you, allthewhile gently tapping underneath the pile. The true cocaine crystals will pop right out of the pile and fall down towards you. Stop frequently, collect those crystals and transfer them onto a clean ceramic plate. Push the pile on the wax coated paper plate back up to the top and keep repeating this process until all of the crystals are on the ceramic plate, and a dullish white powder is all that remains on the paper plate. Discard the dull white powder. It's junk, trust me!

Now, crush those pure cocaine crystals on the ceramic plate up into an even finer crystals. They're about 90-95% pure cocaine at this point. Now break into lines, snort and enjoy! This is all one would ever hypothetically need to do to acheive 100% perfect results. There is absolutely NO NEED to perform any more advanced techniques that involve daring extractions and/or recrystallizations. SWIM repeats, NO NEED! You really have to trust SWIM on this one. It turns out, the easiest method is the best method, period! But the crude, yet extremely effective wax coated paper plate thingy is the key to this entire projects success. Without it, and just the acetone wash alone, your results will only be 70% at best. So gently tap your way to perfection.

SWIM out!

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Hmm...now im a bit confused. Can you clarify a few things...

In your directions, it says "Now, with some crystals stuck to the side of the beaker from pouring and most at the bottom, pour 30 more ml.s of fresh acetone into the beaker trying to collect those crystals stuck on the side while pouring in. Stir again and cover. This time, pour your entire contents into the filter paper."
SWIM's question is, do you wait another 3-5 minutes for the seperation before you pour it all in and if so, dont you want to stir again before you pour it all in to the filter paper? Or do you just pour the 30m in, stir, and pour into the filter paper? I know its kind of trivial, but SWIM is just curious.

secondly, SWIM has always been a bit confused about the transition from the old tecnique to the new updated evaporation method.
It says " Once you've completed the entire clean-up process and have spread out your newly cleaned up cocaine on a ceramic plate, take a metal spoon and crush up the cocaine as much as possible and spread it out again. Let air dry for 1 hour while you wait on your oven to pre-heat to 150 degrees f. Some ovens only go as low as 170, but that's fine. Take out a baking sheet and place a piece of aluminum foil over the entire sheet. Once your cocaine has air dried for 1 hour and your oven is pre-heated, pour your cocaine onto the foil and spread it out as thin as possible. Place the baking sheet with the cocaine on it in the oven for 2-3 hours.

Remove from oven, carefully fold the baking sheet in half as to be able to pour out your cocaine onto one of those expensive PAPER plates that have kinda of a shinny surface on them."

Now, here is where im confused...the way SWIM does it is that after the last wash, he takes the filter paper and puts it under a heat lamp for a hour or so (SWIM actually substitues nice hot air from the back of his computer for the 20 minutes under a heatlamp) Then, SWIM dumps it out on a plate and proceeds to grind it up with a spoon, then spreads it all over the aluminum foil on a cookie sheet. SWIM then puts it in the oven for 3 hours at 150 degrees. After 3 hours, swim lets it sit for another hour then chops it up fine and tries it out.
Is this the correct procedure, or do you just recommend the 24 hour sitting out then chopping it up and trying it?

once again, thanks for providing a great contribution to this message board.
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Old 01-08-2008, 20:36
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

SWIM has a question about filter papers.

Online supply stores list several other qualities of filter papers other than flow rate, such as retention (in µm), porosity, qualitative vs quantitative, etc.. What should SWIM look for in each of the categories?
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Old 03-08-2008, 18:43
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

a rather nervous AFOF asked how safe it is to inject coke that has had the acetone wash?
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Old 03-08-2008, 23:41
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

No worries at all from the acetone, but injecting coke can be very dangerous. But rather nice.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:24
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

Ok, SWIM has done a ton of reading & testing over the past several weeks, and has tested out SO many adulterants next to the cola that SWIM is getting. SWIM has figured out pretty much all of the evil cutting agents have been added to SWIM's coke.

In all of this experimenting, and testing, SWIM has figured out that the 1 that always is left lingering is Talc. SWIM has searched high and low to figure out how to get rid of the talc that is left behind after the acetone wash, but hasn’t figured anything out.

Can any of the nice and wonderful swimmers out there help out?

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Ok, SWIM has done a ton of reading & testing over the past several weeks, and has tested out SO many adulterants next to the cola that SWIM is getting. SWIM has figured out pretty much all of the evil cutting agents have been added to SWIM's coke.

In all of this experimenting, and testing, SWIM has figured out that the 1 that always is left lingering is Talc. SWIM has searched high and low to figure out how to get rid of the talc that is left behind after the acetone wash, but hasn’t figured anything out.

Can any of the nice and wonderful swimmers out there help me out?

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Old 05-08-2008, 17:02
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

talc is insoluble in prety much every solvent out there so swim can perform a cold water extraction of cocaine...

i.e.

dissolve the adultered cocaine in water (1gr of adultered cocaine in no more than 3 ml of cold water)

filter out anything insoluble via syringe/cotton ball (yeah that works just fine)

let it dry over night

warm up the oven in 50c and leave it for 1 hour to fully dry else it will stick like hell, it becomes like clay

scrape it up...

voila talk free cocaine

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Old 05-08-2008, 19:04
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

So does swiy HAVE to put anhydrous magnesium sulphate into the actetone to be successful with this?
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Old 05-08-2008, 19:35
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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Hmm...now im a bit confused. Can you clarify a few things...

In your directions, it says "Now, with some crystals stuck to the side of the beaker from pouring and most at the bottom, pour 30 more ml.s of fresh acetone into the beaker trying to collect those crystals stuck on the side while pouring in. Stir again and cover. This time, pour your entire contents into the filter paper."
SWIM's question is, do you wait another 3-5 minutes for the seperation before you pour it all in and if so, dont you want to stir again before you pour it all in to the filter paper? Or do you just pour the 30m in, stir, and pour into the filter paper? I know its kind of trivial, but SWIM is just curious.

secondly, SWIM has always been a bit confused about the transition from the old tecnique to the new updated evaporation method.
It says " Once you've completed the entire clean-up process and have spread out your newly cleaned up cocaine on a ceramic plate, take a metal spoon and crush up the cocaine as much as possible and spread it out again. Let air dry for 1 hour while you wait on your oven to pre-heat to 150 degrees f. Some ovens only go as low as 170, but that's fine. Take out a baking sheet and place a piece of aluminum foil over the entire sheet. Once your cocaine has air dried for 1 hour and your oven is pre-heated, pour your cocaine onto the foil and spread it out as thin as possible. Place the baking sheet with the cocaine on it in the oven for 2-3 hours.

Remove from oven, carefully fold the baking sheet in half as to be able to pour out your cocaine onto one of those expensive PAPER plates that have kinda of a shinny surface on them."

Now, here is where im confused...the way SWIM does it is that after the last wash, he takes the filter paper and puts it under a heat lamp for a hour or so (SWIM actually substitues nice hot air from the back of his computer for the 20 minutes under a heatlamp) Then, SWIM dumps it out on a plate and proceeds to grind it up with a spoon, then spreads it all over the aluminum foil on a cookie sheet. SWIM then puts it in the oven for 3 hours at 150 degrees. After 3 hours, swim lets it sit for another hour then chops it up fine and tries it out.
Is this the correct procedure, or do you just recommend the 24 hour sitting out then chopping it up and trying it?

once again, thanks for providing a great contribution to this message board.

On your second and third cleanings with the acetone, no waiting time is neccessary in between pours. So no 3-5 minutes waiting time in between, just pour and go.

In answer to your second question, it is very highly recommended you use the more advanced technique of simply waiting out the entire 48 hours, then crush into very fine crystals on a cermic plate, transfer them to one end a waxy coated paper plate, and then use the crude, yet very effectively patented, "Le Junk vibration seperation technique", move the crystals onto a clean ceramic plate and then discard the dull white powder remaining on the waxy coated paper plate.

There is absolutely NO substitution for time. And the time for this exercise is 48 hours, period.

Best of luck, Le Junk

P.S. Sorry for the late reply, I have a new baby and pretty much a new life now. But regardless, I'll always be here for my fellow forumers in the name of harm reduction......

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So does swiy HAVE to put anhydrous magnesium sulphate into the actetone to be successful with this?
Absolutely! Unless your acetone is already anhydrous, of course. The reason being, cocaine hydrochloride is entirely soluble in water. And an entire gram of cocaine is completely soluble in just .5 ml.s of water. So just a touch of water is all it takes to lose everything.....

Le Junk

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Old 05-08-2008, 22:11
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

From what SWIM has found on online chemical supply stores, nothing is 100% anhydrous, 99.5% is the highest that swim has found. So with this being said the magnesium sulfate is a must in the tek?

Thank you Le Junk.
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Old 05-08-2008, 23:05
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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From what SWIM has found on online chemical supply stores, nothing is 100% anhydrous, 99.5% is the highest that swim has found. So with this being said the magnesium sulfate is a must in the tek?

Thank you Le Junk.
Actually, 99.5% purity is with all things considered and would be just fine as is for this process. SWIY is correct that 100% pure is virtually unattainable but is not necessary either. 99.5% would be just fine if SWIY can get ahold it. Best of luck!

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Old 13-08-2008, 06:32
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

SWIM performed the acetone wash on 4.0g of cocaine and was left with 3.2g of product, but was unable to do any further separation of flakes from the white stuff due to the fact that there is so much of it that the tiny flakes are virtually invisible. The visual of cocaine did not change after the acetone wash. SWIM followed directions 100%. Was SWIM's blow bunk?
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Old 13-08-2008, 12:07
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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No, dont worry about it. The acetone wash removes very few of the cuts used in cocaine. Most of the active cuts and quite a few of the innert (talk powder,manitol, b12, vit c etc) are not soluble in acetone as well. The acetone wash removes excess acids, some caffeine (if its pressent...), hygrin oils etc. You will have better quality coke no matter what but nothing spectacular.

so dont worry about it, you did nothing wrong. If one is bold he can do a proper "lavado"...i.e turn to base->convert to sulfate->oxidise->turn to base->wash with water->extract from ether->turn to hcl

its not as complicated as it sounds...
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

If one is bold he can do a proper "lavado"...i.e turn to base->convert to sulfate->oxidise->turn to base->wash with water->extract from ether->turn to hcl

Try us Epote, give us a simple prescription to do this LAVADO based on 2grm for example
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

what you want the quantities involved? That kind of clandestine (very basic actually) chemistry is more affine to cooking. The exact measurements are not that important, what is important is the actual hands on experience to trouble shoot all those little things books cant tell you.

In any case it would go smt like this:

* dissolve cocaine hcl into 10ml of water (5ml per gr)
* filter out anything insoluble
* prepare a 10% w/w solution of ammonia and start adding drop wise until pH reaches around 6 (measure with ph sticks or in any case add until the precipitate forms and the water no longer paints white)
* extract the precipitate using 15ml of ether (add the ether, shake, cocaine base will dissolve then let the ether and water separate and extract the ether
* let the ether evaporate, cocaine base crystals will form. Dissolve them in an 5% w/w sulfuric acid/water solution
* prepare a saturated KmNO4 solution (around 6% w/v) start adding drop wise. Keep the cocaine sulfate solution UNDER 4 C to avoid the KmNO4 attacking the cocaine oxygen group. Add untill the solution stops "foaming" and it takes on a red color that DOES NOT turn to brown after 10-15 minutes (basicaly the oxidation is the toughest part, only experience can tell you)
* filter out any insolubles you sould have a clear or sligtly pink solution
* add amonia and extract with ether once more
* dissolve cocaine base in 15ml per gram ether
* prepare a solution of 15ml per gram of base acetone and 0.25ml of 38% hcl acid per gram of base
* add that to the ether cocaine solution. Cocaine hcl crystals will form
* filter out the precipitate let it dry and enjoy
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

epote....it's me myhero....I had a little banning issue. For god know what reason. I asked some member to write over email since I wanted conversation to be private and not screened and I got banned. Can you believe that.

Anyway I think to make lavado one could skip some of your steps, in particular you could do this:

* dissolve cocaine hcl into 10ml of 5% H2SO4(5ml per gr)
* filter out anything insoluble if present (good coke will be all soluble)
* prepare a saturated KmNO4 solution (around 6% w/v) start adding drop wise. Keep the cocaine sulfate solution UNDER 4 C to avoid the KmNO4 attacking the cocaine oxygen group. Add untill the solution stops "foaming" and it takes on a red color that DOES NOT turn to brown after 10-15 minutes (basicaly the oxidation is the toughest part, only experience can tell you)
* filter out any insolubles you sould have a clear or sligtly pink solution
* add amonia and extract with ether once more
* dissolve cocaine base in 15ml per gram ether
* prepare a solution of 15ml per gram of base acetone and 0.25ml of 38% hcl acid per gram of base
* add that to the ether cocaine solution. Cocaine hcl crystals will form
* filter out the precipitate let it dry and enjoy


I think it's overkill to precipitate base then redissolve in sulfuric acid and the orocess will only halp you losing some coke due to mechanical losses.

I then suggest that you go slow on th eoxidation since most probably the coke has been already cleaned to some extent and thus does not need that much oxidation.
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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epote....it's me myhero....I had a little banning issue. For god know what reason. I asked some member to write over email since I wanted conversation to be private and not screened and I got banned. Can you believe that.

Anyway I think to make lavado one could skip some of your steps, in particular you could do this:

* dissolve cocaine hcl into 10ml of 5% H2SO4(5ml per gr)
* filter out anything insoluble if present (good coke will be all soluble)
* prepare a saturated KmNO4 solution (around 6% w/v) start adding drop wise. Keep the cocaine sulfate solution UNDER 4 C to avoid the KmNO4 attacking the cocaine oxygen group. Add untill the solution stops "foaming" and it takes on a red color that DOES NOT turn to brown after 10-15 minutes (basicaly the oxidation is the toughest part, only experience can tell you)
* filter out any insolubles you sould have a clear or sligtly pink solution
* add amonia and extract with ether once more
* dissolve cocaine base in 15ml per gram ether
* prepare a solution of 15ml per gram of base acetone and 0.25ml of 38% hcl acid per gram of base
* add that to the ether cocaine solution. Cocaine hcl crystals will form
* filter out the precipitate let it dry and enjoy


I think it's overkill to precipitate base then redissolve in sulfuric acid and the orocess will only halp you losing some coke due to mechanical losses.

I then suggest that you go slow on th eoxidation since most probably the coke has been already cleaned to some extent and thus does not need that much oxidation.
Nice addition, m2hero! I see what your droppin' and I'm picking it up quite nicely. And from what I can see in your exercise, the procedure does appear to be an effective way of producing the same end result.....though admitedly, less complicated.

Now regarding the oxidation step, and therefore the lack of it ever being previously oxidized, has anyone ever run any conclusive before and after testing results to verify the actual presence of any additional alkaloids to begin with? I'm just curious, as SWIM's been able to consistently produce '80's quality blow without having to retro-fit the product thru oxidization.

Personally, SWIM's found the absolute best results came from an initial anhydrous chloroform extraction, recrystallization, and then a final anhydrous acetone wash. Plain, simple and extremely effective! The remainder in the low flow filter paper after the chloroform extraction produces a beautiful looking, non-cocaine substance. Whatever it is, shur is purty! But it ain't COCAINE, that's for sure!

However, the recrystallization from the chloroform extraction does produce very large cocaine crystals. FYI; As the presence of any chloroform is certainly not good for your health, a final acetone wash is not only effective here, but mandatory as well. The end result is nothing short of spectacular!

SWIM would strongly advise that anyone with the ability to perform such a procedure, do so. SWIM will guarantee the end result to be damn near flawless.....

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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

m2hero:

actually swim thought of going the "paste" way as an additional step of removing cuts that can form salts...but swiy way is obviously faster:P

lejunk:

in swims opinion what makes bad cocaine is aditional unremoved alkaloids. They are not active in the cns but are quite active peripheraly causing tremors, anxiaty, agitation. I.e. they make the cocaine high less lucid and more physical. So doing the oxidization step is what its all about.

rarely is cocaine cut something that can actually alter the high and CAN be removed via a/b extaction and or washes. For excample caffeine, no matter what you do it will linger.

but seriously if the original cocaine doesnt feel like shit, then its probably properly oxidized and an acetone wash with or without a water extraction will make it easier on the nose at the very least

p.s. the 80's cocaine is kind of an urban legend. Cocaine is cocaine, then or now it produces a high that IS dependant on set and setting, tollerance, quantity used etc. Given a standart cocaine quality (say pure cocaine) the high and crash will be different depending on former state of the user, expectations, enviroments, amount etc etc
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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m2hero:

actually swim thought of going the "paste" way as an additional step of removing cuts that can form salts...but swiy way is obviously faster:P

lejunk:

in swims opinion what makes bad cocaine is aditional unremoved alkaloids. They are not active in the cns but are quite active peripheraly causing tremors, anxiaty, agitation. I.e. they make the cocaine high less lucid and more physical. So doing the oxidization step is what its all about.

rarely is cocaine cut something that can actually alter the high and CAN be removed via a/b extaction and or washes. For excample caffeine, no matter what you do it will linger.

but seriously if the original cocaine doesnt feel like shit, then its probably properly oxidized and an acetone wash with or without a water extraction will make it easier on the nose at the very least

p.s. the 80's cocaine is kind of an urban legend. Cocaine is cocaine, then or now it produces a high that IS dependant on set and setting, tollerance, quantity used etc. Given a standart cocaine quality (say pure cocaine) the high and crash will be different depending on former state of the user, expectations, enviroments, amount etc etc
No, I was refering to the additional alkaloids left behind as well from an unoxidized product. I must have not made that very clear in my post. I would then have to assume your refering to cocamine hcl etc?

I think the cocaine we're getting here in my area is most likely different than what your getting overseas. Simple extractions and washes are able to produce the final results we're looking for.

As far as the 80's cocaine thingy goes, I'd have to say it was something else alright! And in retro-spec, I think it would be insulting to further call SWIM's final product "80's cocaine" quality. In all honesty, it simply isn't. The cocaine of the '80's was made in a completely different game. The cartels of old would constantly try and outdo each other with regards to quality. Their stamp or logo on every kilo meant everything to them and their reputation. There were actual "master chefs" who took pride in their work. Today it's just about the money. There's no longer a race for quality, rather simply a race for quantity, nothing more. All of the cocaine of the 80's was properly oxidized and strict attention was put into every detail of the operation from beginning (the leaves) right up till the final washing of the crystals.

epote, I may have already asked you this during our many conversations, but did SWIY ever try any cocaine during the 80's? As a frame of reference, you must have at least tried it before calling it "urban legend". Honestly bro, it did exist. I always used to say that shit could get the elephant man laid. Yes, it was simply that good! And keep in mind that SWIM beat it up constantly, going days at a time without stopping, and it was still great. Granted, the honeymoon stage would have obviously been a playing factory, but I've never been able to 100% duplicate it's quality nowdays. Close? Yes, but not 100%.

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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

yeah, thats what i was refering too, especially the truxillens group of isomers, those are notorius for causing physical symptoms. Its theorized that some of them actually are partial dopamine agonists...

well if thats all thats needed thats fine. Though SWIM always performs a water extraction...just so his nose feels better. Having too buckeloads of bakin soda up the nostrils aint that good:P

swim has never tried cocaine during the '80s but he has tried *pure* cocaine, i.e. cocaine extracted with pure chemicals, in a controled enviroment, in small quantities. It simply does not get any better than that...and swims opinion is what he stated above.

the 80's cocaine is probably a mix of generaly "good" cocaine mixed with the cultural cullprint that makes cocaine what it is. The age of cocaine has passed, and with it a huge part of what makes it great which for good or worce is imprinted in the users brain

we are gettin out of the thread though:P
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

Apparently, SWIM just read a sciency paper about how Lactose solubility in acetone is zero. So, if SWIY has stuff cut with Lactose (very common I think) or Creatine, acetone wash won't help much. I guess you need the wax plate method. Has anyone ever tried snorting what was left on the wax plate after crystal separation? Any effects at all?
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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

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Apparently, SWIM just read a sciency paper about how Lactose solubility in acetone is zero. So, if SWIY has stuff cut with Lactose (very common I think) or Creatine, acetone wash won't help much. I guess you need the wax plate method. Has anyone ever tried snorting what was left on the wax plate after crystal separation? Any effects at all?
Actually yes. Here is an excerpt from another forum after the user performed said procedure. I think they're results were quite convincing. Here's the exact quote:

My friend....Dude, Bro. ! My wife and I started exactly at 10:30. Now it's 4:30 correction 5:30.....Unfucking real. There is at least .4 of the crystals left. Any other night with adultered I would be over 2-3g's already. I just can't explain it to anybody because they wouldn't believe it. Even my wife said after the bumping seperation of the crystals: This is how coke is supposed to smell. I go: It doesn't smell at all baby, actually it doesn't even smell like aceton....She replies: I know...It reminds me of a time in the 80's when I did good stuff...We both cracked up and started laughing... ...MAN, I sit here typing to you, high, awake, no sweat, no anxiety, heart beating normal.....I truly have no words bro. With a simple wash done in 30. min you have first class blow. Everyting you said, after you do the wash 100% correct, is true. I feel like transported back to 1985 (When I lost virginity LOL) I will, have to post this at bluelight.
My advice to everyone (I got from Le Junk) Mostly a acetone wash does the trick...AND Master Le Junk, you are going to be proud of grasshopper, the final gold rush eight finger drum play actually get's the active shit out (simply awesome!) ...I said to myself: What does that do now?! Grinding it and then bumping your fingers so the crystals fall to the bottom?! Oooh Bro. if you have never done it yourself ya don't believe it....So I start slowly tapping the paper plate and suddenly little tiny crystal balls start rolling down....So...after a 'phenomenal' high after two matchstick lines that lasted for at least 45min. without craving for more...Yeah, read this again...no craving for more. Anyhow, I am just typing away but am still conscious what I want to say...The adultered stuff just makes you exagerate and invent a lot....

Conclusion: You did coke in the past and are turned off doing the shit that's currently out there...Please try Le Junks simple tripple acetone wash and see for yourself. If you have never done cocaine but for some reason want to try it: Don't do it! BUT if you absolutely have to then please ask Le Junk or me for advice or check out his ultimate cocaine purification thread.... I'll tell ya that you are in for a (pleasant) surprise.

After the wash of approx. 2g's and the paper plate seperation I had about 1g of really awesome coca left. That means a 50/50 cut. The innactive stuff was washed out but the powder that's left over on the paper plate is the real bad shit. It tastes bitter and I suspect it is ephedrine or pseudoephedrine.

Let's say there was only Mannitol or caffeine in the stuff. It would be washed out with the first or second aceton wash. Since ephedrine is not insoluble in acetone it stays with the coca. BUT the simple gold diggers paper plate seperation makes all the crystals fall to the bottom while the powder cut sticks to the wax/shiny surface of the plate on top. Ok, you can do the A/B extraction but in reality you don't really have to.

Please correct me if I am wrong Professor Le Junk.

Anyhow...I am high like a DC minor without sweating, ampiness, fiendiness....AND can go to sleep, have sex or whatever I want.

Final conclusion: Amphetamine, Ephedrine, Caffeine, Mannitol is bad, really bad. Wash it out!

Enough said?....

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Re: LeJunk's Cocaine Purification Technique / acetone wash

Nuff said. Wish there was a method SLIGHTLY more precise than the plate method, but SWIM will take it. Can SWIY elaborate on the type of plate needed? Why wont any old paper plate work? SWIM isn't sure exactly what kind of plate SWIY is referring to...

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