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Old 21-03-2008, 22:33
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

another question??? whenever the crystals fall to the bottom of the acetone... what if you have a beaker with powder in it and you add the acetone. then you mix. the solution becomes cloudy but the majority of the powder stays on the bottom and is very "heavy" in the solution. the acetone above the powder is colored and cloudy but the powder on the bottom is heavy and settles very quickly. is this the crystals??? also, if you have blue pills and the solution is blue and the powder stays blue even after several washes. what does that mean??? thanks
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Old 21-03-2008, 23:31
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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another question??? whenever the crystals fall to the bottom of the acetone... what if you have a beaker with powder in it and you add the acetone. then you mix. the solution becomes cloudy but the majority of the powder stays on the bottom and is very "heavy" in the solution. the acetone above the powder is colored and cloudy but the powder on the bottom is heavy and settles very quickly. is this the crystals??? also, if you have blue pills and the solution is blue and the powder stays blue even after several washes. what does that mean??? thanks
First off, always add the MDMA powder to the acetone, once the acetone is already in the beaker. Never add the acetone to the crushed up powder already down inside. It will only splatter and splash alot of your powder all over the side of the beaker and possible even over the top.

Secondly, once you pour your crushed up powder down inside the beaker containing the acetone, you stir the mixture for approx. 3 minutes, cover and then let settle until the liquid on top is nearly clear/cloudy, the crystals are laying directly on the bottom, and your acetone insoluble powder is laying directly on top of the crystals. Yes, after stirring, the mixture may lay on the bottom quickly, but it may still take a few minutes to see the difference in the two layers of crystals on the very bottom, and powder directly on top. If the amount of powder far exceeds the amount of crystals, then you now have a pretty good idea of just how low in purity your pills really were to begin with.

Thirdly, your not waiting long enough for the solution to settle before pouring out the first pour. Trust me, with the correct amount of wait time, the acetone on top will become mostly clear to lightly cloudy with absolutely no material left floating in it. You simply have to cover the beaker and wait it out. If it takes 10 minutes, the sobeit. And yes, the substance at the bottom will contain both your MDMA crystals and the acetone insoluble cuts right on top of them. If your patient, follow the directions entirely, then you will be able to differentiate between the two and seperate them as well.

And finally, you will not be washing out any of the color. If they went in blue, they'll still come out blue, plain and simple. Maybe a little lighter shade of blue, but still blue. Only if you were performing a more involved and chemistry inclined process, such as an A/B extraction and recrystallization, would you have any chance of sending them back into their original color of white or brown.

I hope this helps and best of luck with your cleanup. Remember, always keep your acetone filled beaker covered, at all times, when not in use. Imperative, actually.

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Old 21-03-2008, 23:37
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

thanks bro. you rock!!!
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Old 22-03-2008, 10:37
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Yeah, I can! You can either use 99% isopropanol alcohol or 95%, 190 proof ethanol and perform an extraction. It must be noted that this will not seperate MDE or MDA from MDMA as those are very closely related and seperation of the two would involve much more advanced equipment such as GC/MS just to get started.

However, amphetamine can be easily washed out with an MDMA extraction using one of the two above mentioned alcohols. MDMA is soluble in the two alcohols while it takes 515 ml.s of either one just to dissolve 1 gram of amphetamine. With this number on our side, we can simply dissolve a gram or more of your amphetamine adulterated MDMA in 20 ml.s of 99% isopropanol alcohol. Stir for a minute or two, filter thru a medium flow filter paper (a must for this procedure), and then let drain onto an awaiting glass Pyrex dish. Once all of the alcohol/MDMA has drained thru, add about 10 more ml.s of fresh isopropanol alcohol to the filter to collect any remaining MDMA that may have permiated the filter paper. Once completely drained, fold the filter paper over and squeeze firmly to squeeze out any excess alcohol/MDMA and onto the Pyrex dish. Evaporate the alcohol off by use of a hot blow dryer. Once all of the liquid has evaporated off, let the crystals form on their own overnight. By morning you'll have a sweet tasty surprise awaiting you!

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My pet gopher tried this but unfortunately he did not have any filter paper to use so resorted to using coffee filters. However what happened as what he said is that none of the filler rose to the surface and all that happened was the 95% Ethanol (rubbing alcohol from store) changed into the color of the crushed up pill. After 5 washes the alcohol stopped changing colors and my gopher decided to give up and poured the remaining substance onto a plate and let it dried for 48 hours.
Anyone have any idea how my pet gopher can succeed at this?

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My pet gopher tried this but unfortunately he did not have any filter paper to use so resorted to using coffee filters. However what happened as what he said is that none of the filler rose to the surface and all that happened was the 95% Ethanol (rubbing alcohol from store) changed into the color of the crushed up pill. After 5 washes the alcohol stopped changing colors and my gopher decided to give up and poured the remaining substance onto a plate and let it dried for 48 hours.
Anyone have any idea how my pet gopher can succeed at this?
Forgot to also add that he said that he used the Mecke Reagent on some of the powder and it did not turn black instantly unlike his pure MDMA capsule that he tested a while ago.

Forgive my pet gopher as he is an absolute idiot and didn't read the instructions very clearly. He now asks if the Ethanol works the exact same way as the acetone.

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Old 22-03-2008, 17:16
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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My pet gopher tried this but unfortunately he did not have any filter paper to use so resorted to using coffee filters. However what happened as what he said is that none of the filler rose to the surface and all that happened was the 95% Ethanol (rubbing alcohol from store) changed into the color of the crushed up pill. After 5 washes the alcohol stopped changing colors and my gopher decided to give up and poured the remaining substance onto a plate and let it dried for 48 hours.
Anyone have any idea how my pet gopher can succeed at this?



Forgot to also add that he said that he used the Mecke Reagent on some of the powder and it did not turn black instantly unlike his pure MDMA capsule that he tested a while ago.

Forgive my pet gopher as he is an absolute idiot and didn't read the instructions very clearly. He now asks if the Ethanol works the exact same way as the acetone.

Absolutely not! Ethanol is not rubbing alcohol, but isopropyl alcohol is. 190 proof, 95% ethanol can be purchased from most any U.S. liquor store in what is called Everclear liquor. It comes in either a 5th or a half gallon size bottle. But read the lable carefully as they make two different proofs, a 190 and a 150. You must have the 190 proof, 95% for this process. Everclear is illegal in about 10 different U.S. states, so some will not be able to access this liquor. Everclear liquor made it's claim to fame for being the nearly tasteless, yet extremely potent liquor used at college fraternity parties in a punch made in large, plastic bag lined trash cans called, "Harry Buffalo Parties". Those that consumed the punch had absolutely no idea of just how much alcohol they were actually consuming due to it's lack of taste.

Okay, enough on the history lessons. The alcohol you'll need is 190 proof, 95% ethanol alcohol, and not isopropyl. And no, the process is not the same as the acetone wash, as the ethanol will dissolve your MDMA while leaving the cuts left behind in the low flow filter paper. The acetone cleaning is called a "wash", and the ethanol cleaning is called an "extraction".

Chemisty crash course; dialogue class....

Wash: dissolving your adulterants while leaving your intended product (MDMA) in solid form in the filter paper.

Extraction: dissolving your intended product (MDMA) while leaving your adulterants in solid form in the filter paper.

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Old 03-04-2008, 00:38
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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Absolutely not! Ethanol is not rubbing alcohol, but isopropyl alcohol is. 190 proof, 95% ethanol can be purchased from most any U.S. liquor store in what is called Everclear liquor. It comes in either a 5th or a half gallon size bottle. But read the lable carefully as they make two different proofs, a 190 and a 150. You must have the 190 proof, 95% for this process. Everclear is illegal in about 10 different U.S. states, so some will not be able to access this liquor. Everclear liquor made it's claim to fame for being the nearly tasteless, yet extremely potent liquor used at college fraternity parties in a punch made in large, plastic bag lined trash cans called, "Harry Buffalo Parties". Those that consumed the punch had absolutely no idea of just how much alcohol they were actually consuming due to it's lack of taste.

Okay, enough on the history lessons. The alcohol you'll need is 190 proof, 95% ethanol alcohol, and not isopropyl. And no, the process is not the same as the acetone wash, as the ethanol will dissolve your MDMA while leaving the cuts left behind in the low flow filter paper. The acetone cleaning is called a "wash", and the ethanol cleaning is called an "extraction".

Chemisty crash course; dialogue class....

Wash: dissolving your adulterants while leaving your intended product (MDMA) in solid form in the filter paper.

Extraction: dissolving your intended product (MDMA) while leaving your adulterants in solid form in the filter paper.

Le Junk
Hey thanks for the help but it does say right on the bottle 95% ethanol (it's rubbing alcohol). Guess my little friend needs to buy some low-flow paper or some anhydrous acetone.
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Old 15-04-2008, 18:01
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

Alright ladies and gentleswim,
I just wanted to post a report on swims experience. Swim followed all the directions given by Mr. J to the T. Acetone Anhydrous, Med./Low flow filter paper. etc... Might I add 1 mistake swim made during the drying phase. Do NOT use a heat lamp to quicken the drying process! As everyone knows (now) exposing most chemicals to direct heat and sunlight breaks down their chemical properties. 3rd times a charm for swim. Swim tested the first 2 washed mollys (molly is short for molecular) and felt mildness at best when "quick dried." Also these pills were all tested by the EZ test kit and all regents had shown the primary chemical was mdma/mda. Swim also physically tested the pill (unwashed) to see if it was primarily mdma or mda. (it had a decent amount of both: great body roll, great visual roll.)
During the last wash, SWIM allowed it to dry covered in a cool dry place for 48 hrs. then capped the remains (3 pills as the control) into a size "1" cap. I had no remains left on the plate.

Now onto the Experience...

First allow swim to say that swim has rolled on and off for over 2 years. On average, only once a month. So swims tolerance is very low if any. Swim also eats heathy, and always drink OJ while rollling and regularly. (helps prevent neruo-toxicity and breaks down tolerance)

Taken at 9:00pm.

T+ 30min. warm body (excitedly anticipating the oncomming roll)
T+ 1 hour body/visual rolling so very hard, pupils enlarged, this roll is very clean feeling, no jaw clenches (caused by speed/meth) just clean perfect mdma.
Swim stayed at the house the entire time and just enjoyed every moment while recording every step and event on the laptop.
This roll lasted a total of 8-1/2 hours from a single, size "1" cap!!!
Just to give you a quick ratio, you can crush up an average ecstasy doublestack sized bean and it would fit perfectly into a size "1" cap. Sooo 3 washed pills worth of mdma (single stacked..) will fill a size "1" empty pill. Of course that ratio is for these pills only, not all pills are the same or contain the same amount of mdma/filler, they all differ.
This roll lasted till 6:00...till swim became tired and fell asleep, thats right... sleep tight don't let the bed bugs bite. When swim awoke the next morning swim felt like a million bucks (even more so since swims been a bit sick lately) And I was still a bit sleepy (which is a good thing). Then chowed down very hungrily on a bowl of recess puffs and poptarts.

Lets see, Great Roll, Great Sleep, Great Appatite, best thing SWiM's ever done. On a rolling scale of 1-10, (10 being your first {and best} roll) he gave a solid 9.. and thats only because he just chilled at my house and focused on recording all this for everyone else. If he were throwing sticks, at the beach, driving windows down in a car with music, playin guitar hero, or any other fun rolling thing. It most certinaly would recieve an 11.

-All thanks and respects of course go to Mr.L for shownin us the light.

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Old 15-04-2008, 19:27
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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-All thanks and respects of course go to Mr.L for shownin us the light.
My pleasure........well, your pleasure I guess!

Le Junk

P.S. It was just to good, I had to say it again!

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Old 16-04-2008, 04:15
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

How would you actually dose how much product you have of mda mdma ect??
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Old 16-04-2008, 06:20
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

swiy would use an electronic scale, preferably one with a .002 gram +/- and try to dose around 120mgs.

on a different note.

yes! swim is feeling very happy at this moment. after months of not having the money or time to pursue this happy lab, swim has gotten almost everything he needs.

swim ordered a liter of the acetone that Mr. L specified and is waiting for his med/low flow filters to arrive in the mail, which should happen tomorrow. a little birdie told swim that he would give him a bunch of low dose mdxx pills to try it out. 2 days from tomorrow is friday, and luckily a dance is happenin that day. oh joy.
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Old 16-04-2008, 06:35
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

ok le junk swim isnt sure about this but he thinks he may have seen swiy post something about after doing the acetone wash and then a CWE on the product to clean it more. swim isnt sure that it would be a good idea to do something like that without swiy're approval on the matter. thanks in advance.
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Old 16-04-2008, 07:05
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

thx 4 ur tek bro
i posted it on another site as well and gave u credit
more ppl need to benefit off this tek
hope u dont mind

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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

Just wondering, will this method allow you to keep behind other products such as amphetamines that were in the original pill? Will other types of mdma be extracted (like MDA for example)
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Old 14-05-2008, 23:41
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

mmm no answers to previous posts but swim will continue his molly quest.


so swim recently (3 days ago) acquired two (2) "red thumbs up" MDMA tabs. he knows they are mdxx at least thanks to his mecke testing kit. he printed out le junks tek and followed it to the dot, he has the acetone suggested and the proper filters.

before the wash swim weighed the 2 tabs on his scale and found them to be around 350mg ea. (they were large barrel). swims scale is only a .1g and together they weighd .7g

after the wash and 48hr air dry swim tested the powder again with the mecke (positive) and weighd the resulting power which was much less, only about .1gm. being in the usa swim is used to low mdma pills but the resulting powder seemed a lot less that it should have been.

swim capped up the powder and took it around 11am with nothing in his tummy besides the glass of oj he used to down the cap. nothing was felt for a good hour and even then it was just barely noticeable. it definetly felt like a low mdma roll but whats troubleing swim is that swims friend took just one unwashed pill and said it was the best roll hes had. he has rolled just as much as swim and swim is wondering if maybe he did something wrong in the wash.

any replies really appreciated.
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

SWIM has a quart of acetone, so would the acetone stay anhydrous for along time? Assuming if the lid was kept on as much as possible in between siphonings. Or can SWIM just add like 5g of the baked epsom salts to about 500ml of acetone for a small washing? SWIM is now waiting to make anhydrous acetone, soon as she gets a reply!
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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mmm no answers to previous posts but swim will continue his molly quest.


so swim recently (3 days ago) acquired two (2) "red thumbs up" MDMA tabs. he knows they are mdxx at least thanks to his mecke testing kit. he printed out le junks tek and followed it to the dot, he has the acetone suggested and the proper filters.

before the wash swim weighed the 2 tabs on his scale and found them to be around 350mg ea. (they were large barrel). swims scale is only a .1g and together they weighd .7g

after the wash and 48hr air dry swim tested the powder again with the mecke (positive) and weighd the resulting power which was much less, only about .1gm. being in the usa swim is used to low mdma pills but the resulting powder seemed a lot less that it should have been.

swim capped up the powder and took it around 11am with nothing in his tummy besides the glass of oj he used to down the cap. nothing was felt for a good hour and even then it was just barely noticeable. it definetly felt like a low mdma roll but whats troubleing swim is that swims friend took just one unwashed pill and said it was the best roll hes had. he has rolled just as much as swim and swim is wondering if maybe he did something wrong in the wash.

any replies really appreciated.
Did swiy test both pills or just one? Swiy could have just been unlucky and gotten the low dose pills of the boat. What kind of filters was swiy using? And did swiy test the binders(waste products) for mdxx?
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Old 20-07-2008, 18:11
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

thank you milkman! yea swim is a very careful lab rat. he tested both "red thumbs up" with a marquis reagent and they both were positive.

the filters swim is using are low/med flow bought from an online chemistry store. the acetone he uses is lab quality.

after the wash and 2 day dry period swim tested the remaining powder and it turned positive again. then swim tested some of the residue on the filter and found a small amount of mdxx presence.

there wasnt a significant amount that might have made the difference between the .1g swim had of leftover powder so swim doesnt think that was the issue.

swim plans on going out and buying some espom salts and pour those into his acetone just as a safety precaution.

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SWIM has a quart of acetone, so would the acetone stay anhydrous for along time? Assuming if the lid was kept on as much as possible in between siphonings. Or can SWIM just add like 5g of the baked epsom salts to about 500ml of acetone for a small washing? SWIM is now waiting to make anhydrous acetone, soon as she gets a reply!
pyroarchy how long has said swiy had their acetone? and assuming the lid has been kept mostly on chances are that its still anhydrous. but as swim now believes its never a bad idea to make sure 200% that it is by adding the epsom salts. swiy should follow lejunks method for the acetone and then continue on from there. good luck and please reply with results!

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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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pyroarchy how long has said swiy had their acetone? and assuming the lid has been kept mostly on chances are that its still anhydrous. but as swim now believes its never a bad idea to make sure 200% that it is by adding the epsom salts. swiy should follow lejunks method for the acetone and then continue on from there. good luck and please reply with results!
Sorry for misunderstanding me! My bad! The acetone is not anhydrous yet, but SWIM wanted to know how much baked epsom salts to add to a small amount of acetone? SWIM has a 1 quart can of hardware store grade acetone. Didnt want to make the whole quart anhydrous and have it go bad in a few months or so you know?

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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

ah ok. that makes more sense. well as lejunk said, the ratio of epsom/acetone to make it anhydrous is ~20grams/1 litre. if the acetone is properly stored after the epsom is added (as in not moved at all) it should be fine. remember that the goo that forms on the bottom of the can should stay there or it will ruin the acetone. if your worried about it, split the acetone up into sealable containers and then add the needed epsom.
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

SWIM went ahead other night and baked up some epsom salts, didnt crush them up fine enough though very clumpy, will use razorblade next time. Used 14 grams for 500ml, oops! SWIM would of ordered some Anhydrous Acetone off the net but shipping is pricey for hazmat goods. SWIM is guessing that going overkill wont do much harm, correct? Here is some pictures (sorry had to make a external link since the pictures are very large + to keep the quality good).

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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

I just read through this whole thread and I wanted to make sure I understood some things and ask some questions.

It was stated in the beginning that just doing the acetone wash would not remove amphetamines, so would this work on say some Adderall(mixture of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine)? A friend of mine has lots of Addrall XR and thinks this might be worth doing.

What chemicals does this(just the acetone wash) work for? I'm thinking that if this works for MDMA, MDA, PMA, and amphetamines then it would work for other phenethylamines as well. The same friend is doing an alcohol extraction on some Peruvian Torch right now and is thinking that this would work on the sticky tar. If so then it would definitely be worth doing.

The last thing I was wondering about is what kind of things are low-medium flow filters usually used for? I'm taking some summer classes and the school I go to is a very large really good school(still a little surprised I got in lol), especially in the sciences, so I'm guessing the department of chemistry's store will have some filters my friend can get. Supposing they have them; if someone asked him what he was using them for, even if just making friendly conversation, he doesnt want seem suspicious when he doesnt have an answer.
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

My friend Nibbler has been doing tons of research and has answered some of his own questions since my last post. His research has however brought up some other questions; as well as a possible alternative to what seems to be the least easily available material needed, the filter.

After going over the thread again, mainly the first and second pages, Nibbler has come to the conclusion that using the procedure on his Adderall XR would absolutely work. This is good news because not only can he get rid of all the binders and what not, but it would be a good way to practice before cleaning his two ecstasy pills.

Now as for the Peruvian Torch extract Nibbler did a ton of reading up on A/B extractions and realized that simply washing the alcohol extract probably wont work as the mescaline needs to be acidified first. He did some more research, discussed the issue with another swimmer who had the same basic idea(he had it thought out better lol), and thinks he knows of a way that will at least result in close to pure mescaline. He still needs to do a bit more research, get some more materials, and then try it out. This however, is for a different forum altogether and will be posted there when the time comes. It was through this research however that he thinks he may have come upon an alternative to the low-medium flow paper

After reading through the thread its obvious that special filter paper is needed. Nibbler headed over to the chem stockroom after class happy as a clam that he could simply get the paper at school. When he tried to purchase them however he was told he couldnt because he wasnt a chem student with an account. Despite the fact that the website said the only things that required research accounts were chems, glassware, needles, and latex tubing. Nothing about filters. After suffering this disappointment, while Nibbler was reading Ekstaza's Mescaline extraction tek he realized that the acetone wash step was pretty much the same as the pill washing except for two things. The first being that its only cleaning off extra HCl instead of binders and who-knows-what's. The other difference, the one that really caught his attention, is that instead of using special filter paper, its just using a funnel and a cotton ball!

So if a cotton ball in a funnel can be successfully used for mescaline washes, then why not MDxx washes as well? In the extraction tek, about half way down the page if you look at it, the mescaline HCl with extra HCl is stirred in a jar with acetone(they didnt even use anhydrous ) then poured through the funnel. Fresh acetone is added to the jar to get any residual mescaline then poured into the funnel, just like in the trusty pill wash here. After that the funnel contents are rinsed with acetone until it runs clear. Once the acetone in the funnel has dried out, hot water -in which the mescaline dissolves- is poured through into a pan or something where it can evaporate leaving behind the clean mescaline HCl to be scraped up.

As said before, this is pretty much the same overall procedure as the pill wash. The only possible drawback that can be thought of is that one probably cant get the MDMA crystals from the cotton ball from the first pour, at least not without all the fillers coming too, unlike with the first used filter paper. But then again maybe the fillers would rinse through the cotton ball? Nibbler is still going to see what he can do about getting those papers but he cant really order off the internet right now unfortunately.

Well I guess thats it, for now anyways. If any swimmers have experience or insight of any kind, whether Nibbler is right or totally wrong, it would be greatly appriciated. If he doesnt hear from anyone he might just have to start trying some of this stuff out himself

Oh one more kinda random thing. Through out the thread Le Junk, as well as others, continue to remind and reiterate that the low flow is important:
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Yes, you need to order "low flow" filter papers from any online lab supply. If the crystals are making it thru your filter paper, it's definitely to pouress.
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Did you read my post directly above yours? Folks, it is imperative that you first obtain LOW-MEDIUM FLOW filter papers before ever even attempting to perform this exercise. IMPERATIVE! Otherwise, I simply cannot be responsible for any losses you suffer as a result of insufficient materials needed. I'm truly sorry......
However, I came across this in the second page of the thread:
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Actually yes, a coffee filter would work. When performing a wash of most anykind, your objective is to rinse the now dirty "mother liquor", in this case, the acetone, off quickly. Therefore, if you cannot preferably locate "high flow" filter papers, then coffee filters would be your next best thing.
Am I missing what this bit is talking about? Or did Le Junk just make a typo or something? Just seemed a bit strange
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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My friend Nibbler has been doing tons of research and has answered some of his own questions since my last post. His research has however brought up some other questions; as well as a possible alternative to what seems to be the least easily available material needed, the filter.

After going over the thread again, mainly the first and second pages, Nibbler has come to the conclusion that using the procedure on his Adderall XR would absolutely work. This is good news because not only can he get rid of all the binders and what not, but it would be a good way to practice before cleaning his two ecstasy pills.

Now as for the Peruvian Torch extract Nibbler did a ton of reading up on A/B extractions and realized that simply washing the alcohol extract probably wont work as the mescaline needs to be acidified first. He did some more research, discussed the issue with another swimmer who had the same basic idea(he had it thought out better lol), and thinks he knows of a way that will at least result in close to pure mescaline. He still needs to do a bit more research, get some more materials, and then try it out. This however, is for a different forum altogether and will be posted there when the time comes. It was through this research however that he thinks he may have come upon an alternative to the low-medium flow paper

After reading through the thread its obvious that special filter paper is needed. Nibbler headed over to the chem stockroom after class happy as a clam that he could simply get the paper at school. When he tried to purchase them however he was told he couldnt because he wasnt a chem student with an account. Despite the fact that the website said the only things that required research accounts were chems, glassware, needles, and latex tubing. Nothing about filters. After suffering this disappointment, while Nibbler was reading Ekstaza's Mescaline extraction tek he realized that the acetone wash step was pretty much the same as the pill washing except for two things. The first being that its only cleaning off extra HCl instead of binders and who-knows-what's. The other difference, the one that really caught his attention, is that instead of using special filter paper, its just using a funnel and a cotton ball!

So if a cotton ball in a funnel can be successfully used for mescaline washes, then why not MDxx washes as well? In the extraction tek, about half way down the page if you look at it, the mescaline HCl with extra HCl is stirred in a jar with acetone(they didnt even use anhydrous ) then poured through the funnel. Fresh acetone is added to the jar to get any residual mescaline then poured into the funnel, just like in the trusty pill wash here. After that the funnel contents are rinsed with acetone until it runs clear. Once the acetone in the funnel has dried out, hot water -in which the mescaline dissolves- is poured through into a pan or something where it can evaporate leaving behind the clean mescaline HCl to be scraped up.

As said before, this is pretty much the same overall procedure as the pill wash. The only possible drawback that can be thought of is that one probably cant get the MDMA crystals from the cotton ball from the first pour, at least not without all the fillers coming too, unlike with the first used filter paper. But then again maybe the fillers would rinse through the cotton ball? Nibbler is still going to see what he can do about getting those papers but he cant really order off the internet right now unfortunately.

Well I guess thats it, for now anyways. If any swimmers have experience or insight of any kind, whether Nibbler is right or totally wrong, it would be greatly appriciated. If he doesnt hear from anyone he might just have to start trying some of this stuff out himself

Oh one more kinda random thing. Through out the thread Le Junk, as well as others, continue to remind and reiterate that the low flow is important:


However, I came across this in the second page of the thread: Am I missing what this bit is talking about? Or did Le Junk just make a typo or something? Just seemed a bit strange
Sorry, it was a bit of a typo, if you will. SWIM uses this same technique for both cocaine and ecstasy. Sometimes I get them confused. Ecstasy=low flow. Cocaine can handle a little higher flow filter paper. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.....

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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

this thread kicks ass
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Re: cleaning ecstasy pills via a simple acetone wash

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this thread kicks ass
Agreed

So Le Junk, what does swiy think about the whole cotton ball thing? I'm guessing it would really depend on what the physical characteristics of the fillers and other stuff that didnt dissolver in the acetone; like if its thick, thin, runny, etc.

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