Poppy Tea Preparation

[Melalicious]

hmmm swim is very interested in trying, VERY, she just needs to sus out where to get her poppy seeds from, tho it cant be that hard! lol swim is hoping the taste wont be to horrible, tho if she can cover the taste up like explained in this thread then shes even more keen for some Tea!...tho i think swim is just a sook, bcoz she has no trouble swallowing down CWE codeine lol!

[Tortoise]

Oh, the tea truly does taste disgusting and the problem is that there is usually so much of it to drink too. Mr Bond doesn't have a problem at all drinking codeine, in fact there isn't much in terms of food and beverages that he can't handle, but poppy seed tea is a struggle for him. Nevertheless, he considers it to be a rite-of-passage. No pleasure without pain...

[samuraigecko]

The elusive and hypothetical three toed sloth whom provides data for informational purposes says The taste is going to be extremely bad and the volume of liquid needed to be consumed fairly high so SWIY is in for a GREAT treat, LOL.

On another note, one could make (theoretical) CFO from (theoretical) pods and dissolve the (theoretical) CFO into hot water coffee or tea preparation. This would taste far less disgusting. SWIM dissolved his into mulled wine one time and made his own form of (theoretical) laudanum. It was (theoretically) very powerful, this was all from (theoretical) CFO though and not from seeds.

Hope this has been of help

[OpioChem]

FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY

SLIM recently obtained 30 Tasmanian pods and made tea with the following recipe.

FOR ONE SERVING (SLIM has 80 mg of methadone a day tolerance, so most people probably would be fine with half of this)

1. Broke 15 pods open and removed seeds and stems.

2. Crushed pods up and ground them to powder in a coffee grinder (blender probably works just as well, but SLIM didn't have one to spare). Stored powder in sandwich bags.

3. Heated 3 cups of water to boil in a one gallon pot.

4. Turned off heat and let water cool for no more than a minute.

5. Dumped powder of 15 pods into water to steep while still hot, but not quite boiling (don't want to damage opiates which can occur over 90 C). Stir in the powder.

6. Mixed a teaspoon of citric acid in for taste and solubility (not totally necessary, but citric acid can usually be found at a grocery store or on a health food website for very cheap, good to have around for any number of cooking reasons).

7. Let mixture steep for about 30 - 60 mins, stirring occasionally. No need to heat.

8. Prepared a second pot by covering the top with a paper towel and using a rubber band to secure it in place (this is a makeshift filter, but a shirt or cloth can be used, or coffee filters, but coffee filters take forever because they tend to get clogged).

9. Pour contents of first pot into second pot in order to filter out the pod powder. Now left with a second pot of just tea (albeit semi dirty, but nevertheless drinkable). You can repeat the extraction process above with the used powder and mix together the results. 3 times through (including the first) should get 95% of the goodies, but it's not necessary to do it more than once if time is a factor or you just don't feel like doing 3 extractions (it's a pain).

10. Drank tea mixed with sugar (sugar actually made it seem nastier, SLIM decided not to do it again, it's better just to man up and take the bitterness. Or can mix with BRISK or whatever else suits your fancy, but usually SLIM doesn't because it just makes more to drink).

EFFECTS:

Kicks in slowly because morphine is only 10% viable orally, and there are all the other alkaloids mixed in, so it takes time. Though it usually lasts very long compared to other opes. Decent euphoric feeling (not as good as pills), but the relaxation is notable and it is very easy to drift in and out of sleep (good nodding!).

WARNING: Careful with any opiates. This tea contains Morphine, a very powerful opiate, and Codeine, an opiate known for causing allergic reactions, among hundreds of other alkaloids. If you aren't used to opiates they can kill you. Seriously, you can over dose from this if you aren't careful, so if it's your first time, take it easy and find your correct dose (usually 5 pods is a good place to start, but it's different for everyone).

DISCLAIMER: The poster takes no responsibility for damages, injuries, or deaths related to the misuse of this information. It is for information purposes only.

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Good quality info. Keep it up!

[samuraigecko]

The following is all hypothetical and theoretical conjecture for informational purposes only.

Originally Posted by OpioChem

"Dumped powder of 15 pods into water to steep while still hot, but not quite boiling (don't want to damage opiates which can occur over 90 C). Stir in the powder."

Morphine is actually destroyed @ 80 degrees Celsius, well 82.6 to be exact. So a lower temperature of steeping again may have produced a better result.

Originally Posted by OpioChem

"Mixed a teaspoon of citric acid in for taste and solubility (not totally necessary, but citric acid can usually be found at a grocery store or on a health food website for very cheap, good to have around for any number of cooking reasons)."

Another good reason is that certain acids bind to lower alkaloids to slightly change the chemical structure thus making higher level alkaloids. some alkaloids which were previously "inactive" by themselves now become mildly active and adds to the opium/poppy tea experience.

Originally Posted by OpioChem

"Prepared a second pot by covering the top with a paper towel and using a rubber band to secure it in place (this is a makeshift filter, but a shirt or cloth can be used, or coffee filters, but coffee filters take forever because they tend to get clogged)."

A better way again is to step up in grades of filter. Filter through something realtivly coarse first like shirt material etc and work ones way up in steps to something as fine as a coffee filter or a high count silk screen. Or one can make the 3 stage filter SWIM describes in the quick reference guide to CFO.

Originally Posted by OpioChem

Kicks in slowly because morphine is only 10% viable orally, and there are all the other alkaloids mixed in, so it takes time. Though it usually lasts very long compared to other opes. Decent euphoric feeling (not as good as pills), but the relaxation is notable and it is very easy to drift in and out of sleep (good nodding!).

Morphine has an oral bioavailability of 30% to 40% (varies because different people metabolize morphine at different rates).

Originally Posted by OpioChem

WARNING: Careful with any opiates.

Always great to have a warning, nice work.

Hope this has been of help

[kellymichelle18]

SWIM used a french press the other day while making hers, and it was very convenient.

[samuraigecko]

In a hypothetical thought, Something came to SWIMs attention which was right infront of him this whole time. In fact it was something he mentioned in one of his own thread replies which made him come to this conclusion.

1] A tea is made and a fairly high volume usually has to be consumed.

2] CFO is easily dissolved in a hot drink eliminates this volume.

3] coffee (well the caffeine actually) acts as an AWESOME carrier for Morphine when consumed orally (or when snorted also) data and links can be provided if needed.

4] this also means that any other "tea" or hot beverage would also act as a carrier if the liquid contained caffeine. These would include normal black tea, green tea, etc.

5] Since the CFO is filtered of most other bi-products other than the alkaloids which are desired then the addition of a small amount of CFO to a hot drink would help with the whole "taste" factor as the small amount of CFO used does not influence the taste of the beverage anywhere near as much.

6] in theory this would probably work with a cold beverage such as iced tea or iced coffee also but it would probably be better prepared hot and then consumed chilled. (one is unsure on how well this would work, but the thought of a cold "O" drink on a hot day makes him drool already).

Just some theoretical thoughts for informational purposes.

[Archenemy]

ohhh, Very interesting post indeed!

My Giraffe will have to put these theories into real world practice! Hopefully other people will to. SWIM will report back as soon as he gets his new shipment of Poppy Pods on March 5!
SWIM's friend bought SWIM about 350 dried Large Pods for SWIMs B-Day which was March 2. So there is alot of testing in SWIMs future.

[car-ramrod]

Where do you get poppy pods from?

[HomerK]

Originally Posted by car-ramrod

Where do you get poppy pods from?

Source discussion is prohibited. However, if you were to do a little internet detective work, you could find them.

[e-spacecadet]

Not sure if favorite strains of poppy pods for tea have been discussed elsewhere on the forum...
I've never tried them but would like to hear.
Does someone know if the ones described as puple-ish in color are the same as Tasmanian? Thx

[HomerK]

Originally Posted by e-spacecadet

Not sure if favorite strains of poppy pods for tea have been discussed elsewhere on the forum...
I've never tried them but would like to hear.
Does someone know if the ones described as puple-ish in color are the same as Tasmanian? Thx

There are purple-ish strains that aren't Tasmanian. Your best bet would be to find pods that are described as the Tasmanian strain. As I said above, if you do a little research you can find them.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by e-spacecadet

Not sure if favorite strains of poppy pods for tea have been discussed elsewhere on the forum...
I've never tried them but would like to hear.
Does someone know if the ones described as puple-ish in color are the same as Tasmanian? Thx

For informational purposes on theoretical situations only . . . .

Purple or Blue-ish strains of P.somniferum are not necessarily going to be the actual Tasmanian strain.

The reason for this is because the Tasmanian strain has been purpose bred to be the way it is for its specific environment. In Tasmania they have bumble bees which are attracted mostly to blue / purple flowers and therefor a blue / purple variety was chosen to breed with. Pollination occurs more prolifically and therefor crops benefit during pod production. Through selective breeding and mass cross pollination they have been able to produce a strain with the help of scientists which can boast the highest yield of any strain.

As one has mentioned before, Tasmanian Alkaloids worked in conjunction with the CSIRO, the Levitan Group and Glaxo Welcome to produce this strain. All companies of which have many a great R&D team to help them achieve this.

Tasmanian purple is thus far the most potent strain of Opium poppy occasionally boasting up to 35% morphine content per dried weight of CPS. Thats over a staggering ONE THIRD morphine content per dried weight of CPS. It is a desirable strain to theoretically be able to work with in every aspect for many obvious reasons.

The strain was originally bred from Persian and S.E.Asian stock one believes, with anything matching their criteria being inbred into the stock to remain a stable strain. Showing yet again that the government can do what they want when they want considering that S.E.Asian opium farming is considered to be "illegal". This would almost certainly mean that the stock has come from an illegal source in the first place. But also a smart move since S.E.Asian raw morphine has always been considered a standard to which others are measured.

Feel free to start up a "favorite strains" thread if SWIyou wish, SWIM is sure there would be many replies. SWIyou can do this by clicking the "new thread" button in this forum section.

One hopes this has been of help

[e-spacecadet]

Yes, they are very easy to find.
Thank you SG, very helpful. (I wonder where you learn all this.)

Swim is preparing to get off H with poppy tea. Could you estimate, roughly, how many pods would be enough to cover a heavy user round the clock for a week?
Swim is thinking, if Tasmanian pods are average-lg size?, it could take anywhere from 3 to 10 per dose, based on her research so far. But what is the half life for tea? Using H every 6-8 hrs one keeps comfortable. What's the range one need's to drink Poppy tea to stay comfortable? (obviously for an opiate dependant) I realize everyone is unique and Swim will need to fine tune her doses. She'll need plenty for a 2-4 wk gradual taper. The main thing is, she wants to pre-grind & mix about a week's worth of pods ahead of time for easy measuring and dosage consistency.
I know nobody here can say exactly what Swim needs per day and all, but w/out knowing doses per day, she's guessing a box of 100 should cover week 1?
Swim doesn't want to be doing well on tea, run out, and have to buy H. Nor does she want to get stuck with some massive heap-o-pods. Thanks so much for any input. I'm learnding.

[HomerK]

100 will not last you a week, more than likely. Swim has been known to go through 30 in a day.

[e-spacecadet]

Ya, had 2nd thoughts after reading this guy's using 15 at a time.

HomerK is kind of like HomerJ (Simpson)

[samuraigecko]

For hypothetical and theoretical informational purposes only . . .

Originally Posted by e-spacecadet

Yes, they are very easy to find.
Thank you SG, very helpful. (I wonder where you learn all this.)

SWIM has mentioned many times before that he has both (hypothetically) worked and knows people whom (hypothetically) have worked in the legal opiate farming industry. SWIM will not mention what company or what country for obvious (hypothetical) reasons.

Originally Posted by e-spacecadet

Swim is preparing to get off H with poppy tea. Could you estimate, roughly, how many pods would be enough to cover a heavy user round the clock for a week?
Swim is thinking, if Tasmanian pods are average-lg size?, it could take anywhere from 3 to 10 per dose, based on her research so far. But what is the half life for tea? Using H every 6-8 hrs one keeps comfortable. What's the range one need's to drink Poppy tea to stay comfortable? (obviously for an opiate dependant) I realize everyone is unique and Swim will need to fine tune her doses. She'll need plenty for a 2-4 wk gradual taper. The main thing is, she wants to pre-grind & mix about a week's worth of pods ahead of time for easy measuring and dosage consistency.
I know nobody here can say exactly what Swim needs per day and all, but w/out knowing doses per day, she's guessing a box of 100 should cover week 1?
Swim doesn't want to be doing well on tea, run out, and have to buy H. Nor does she want to get stuck with some massive heap-o-pods. Thanks so much for any input. I'm learnding.

a three toed sloth once told that SWIM is unsure on this method of detox, although it does sound promising it can also be very addictive in itself and SWIY may find that SWIY are replacing one addiction with another. SWIM has absolutely no idea on how many pods would be needed for this as he does not make tea's from poppy pods as such but rather from the CFO he produces. With that CFO he smokes it, eats it, makes teas from it and laudanums from it. (but not at the moment as he is having his yearly resting period which others may have read about). When SWIM is using CFO to ween down a little he finds himself using upwards of 3 to 4 grams a day easily and tapers down from there. SWIM has (well HAD now) a very high tolerance for opiates and his natural tolerance has only been boosted by his abuse tolerance.

However, one is unsure on exactly how to answer SWIYour question as he has never used just "pod tea" to try and abstain / detox with.

Hope some of this has been of help

[e-spacecadet]

I saw some of your 'drying out period' posts last nt. That's admirable. X is a big baby when it comes to w/d's - couldn't do it. X tapered off heroin w/ the help of tiny doses of ms contin & darvon towards the end. Out of pills, so she will use pods this time instead.

I found some posts on other forums -- gave me a good idea about how much to order. They had # and size of pods/day, tolerance, ingestion route, and estimated morphine mg per pod. Quite interesting. X ended up ordering 75 of one kind and 100 of another.
I would like to try other extraction techniques than just hot water/tea. Freezing, acids... So many threads. Can you recommend a good read for these objectives:
effective and high % of opiate extraction (of course)
do not need to isolate specific alkaloid
end product which is rather low in volume (fit'g within a dropper bottle ideal)
relatively clean (but not to shoot or smoke--Maybe as sublingual?)
plus a secondary option that will provide the above, but also have a stable shelf life (say for a month)

I promise I'm not being lazy. Been reading for weeks. I have a junk-heap of a pc, and its a fight to just get & stay online. Takes hours to do just a little research. Thanks for your interest, suggestions.
Is CFO cooked flake O?
I'm learnding. "X" is my imaginary friend.

[waltz#2]

Whoever you know that wants to try this should please be careful when replacing an "O" of choice with PT, or other forms therein. Someone I dream about sometimes has read in other forums that in PT there are many other alkaloids that can cause addiction and withdrawl and can extend the length of WD symptoms once you try to kick the PT. There are many stories of people who try to stop H, or pharms only to find PT harder to get off of than their original substance of choice. There are likely success stories out there, but don't be fooled into thinking that just because it's less concentrated or "natural" it will be easy to stop.

ALWAYS start with a fraction of the dose that has been suggested. Content can vary from batch to batch, cup to cup, and even pod to pod. Even an extraction isn't a sure fire way of knowing what one has got without trying a small amount first. Common safe practices when using PT include grinding an entire lot (75 or 100 or whatever one has) of pods into one lump of homogenous powder, and drinking 1/4 (or less!) of the liquid created and waiting for 30-45min.

No one can tell how much of xyz someone is going to need to get 123 effects. Discussion of dosages can get fictional characters hurt pretty badly. Trial and safe avoidance of error are the best methods.

Good luck to X and please make sure she doesn't underestimate the effects of PT. : )

[e-spacecadet]

Yes, that is the plan exactly.

Swim's addicted to heroin. When she did a few really good tapers just decreasing H, + using kava for anxiety, she'd make up dropper-bottles-full and measure drops under tongue. (never really knew if it was well absorbed sublingually) The 'catch 22' was rarely having enuf $$ to fund another large, consistent batch to dose from. The panic, anxiety and pressure to hurry up and quit did her in those times. This time, the hope is, pods will be an economical & gradual (as swim needs to be) detox.
Swim's also excited to eliminate all the heroin-related shite and make fresh start with a whole new system. Swim knows even gradual tapers are work and she's ready to go all out to make this happen - but without feeling like an electrocuted ice cube.
Swim read about some of those other opium alkaloids being antagonists, which sounds beneficial - ?
Appreciate your wisdom.

[samuraigecko]

For informational purposes only . .

Narcotine - known to produce severe allergic reactions.

Thebaine - can be converted using specific acids into an active alkaloid.

Oripavine - Known to cause allergic reactions and severe stomach upsets.

Papaverine - Thought to also cause stomach upsets but is a mild muscle relaxant.

Morphine - mmmm . . . morphine (insert homer simpson drooling here)

Codeine - in raw alkaloidal form can produce a higher percentage of allergic reaction than when in a phosphate salt.


Cautions.
Depending on what type of acid is used to lower pH to facilitate extraction and / or improve taste will depend on if an alkaloid will react or bind to the said acid.

An example would be people wanting to acetylate their tea, thus making it more potent, using acetic acid. Some and perhaps in some cases all of the morphine content may be acetylated (6x potency of morphine alone) thus producing 6MAM ( molecular position 6 mono acetylated Morphine).

However, codeine also has a free hydroxyl group which can be acetylated. This will produce 6MAC (6 mono acetyl codeine) which is highly toxic and likely to produce adverse effects and even allergic reactions even in opiate tolerant peoples. Any other alkaloid with a free hydroxyl group is also likely to be acetylated and thus produce something that may not even be known as yet.

A THEORETICAL example would be:
SWIwe will theorize that papaverine (a mild sedative opiate alkaloid) has a free hydroxyl group at position 3. Acetylation of this position would result in the theoretical "3MAP" or "molecular position 3 mono acetylated papaverine". This new opioid is an unknown quantity if in theory it did exist and its actual pharmacology would not be known. The theoretical "3MAP" may be a FULL ON opiate with both strong sedative and narcotic effects. Then again it may be nothing at all (it is just conjecture after all) or it could actually be some weird neurotoxic poison . . . who knows, it is just a theory.

Ones point in this case is just to state that certain acids can produce certain results which are either known or unknown. It is not wise to use an acetic acid on PT because of the REAL 6MAC opiate produced. However it seems to be fine to use an ascorbic acid or citric acid.

Before testing any of these theories one can easily research what groups are effected by what acids, which alkaloids indeed HAVE which groups and what binds and what does not.

SWIWe know free hydroxyl groups will acetylate ....
(some easier than others, an example would be Morphine where position 6 acetylates easily with acetic acid but position 3 needs the stronger acetic andrahyde to acetylate even though it is still a free hydroxyl group)
... but what other groups are effected by which acids and in what way?

This is something SWIM intends to present very soon . . . .

Hope this has been of help or insight.

[deviant_one]

First post - I've lurked for a while and learned a lot.
Everyone else seems to know SWIM (he gets around!) but me.
However, I spoke with Archie Bunker today and he relayed his first attempt with poppy tea. Edith was playing bridge with her girlfriends so he and Meathead had a night to themselves.

He also shared pictures illustrating each step, but is unsure whether posting thumbnail links to his anonymous online stored images is appropriate within this thread...

- Started off with 10 grams of what were supposed to be organically grown naturally dried papaver somniferum tasmanian pods 2" to 2.5" around. Actual size was more like 1" to 1.5" around without seeds or stems.
- Pods were ground to a fine slightly chunky powder with an electric coffee grinder.
- Poured ground CPS into 600 ml of 6.8 pH tap water at 75 degrees Celsius.
- Steeped in water on stovetop at 75 degrees Celsius for 30 minutes.
- Poured through small wire mesh strainer to remove most of debris.
- Poured through 2 coffee filters to remove remaining debris.
- After filtering 520 ml (2 cups) of amber colored liquid remained.
- Added 1 tbsp of honey and 1 tsp of lime juice for flavor.
- Cooledat room temperature for a few minutes to drinkable temperature.
- Archie drank approximately 1/2 of the tea.
- Within 45 minutes he reported a mild euphoria, slight physical high, an annoying itchiness, and a peculiar effect - if he stopped moving for more than a minute or so he had to struggle to keep his eyes open. He had random bursts of energy to help clean up the mess he made. And he reports he slept VERY well last night.
He also noted he consumed a few glasses of the vino before, during, and after which seemed to intensify the euphoric effects. He woke up the next morning feeling still a bit itchy and noddy, a bit groggy, but not in the least hungover.
In his future attempts, Archie says he'll make a few changes:
- Though he has a digital thermometer to monitor temp, he has yet to buy a digital pH meter. The liquid testers seemed to be thrown off by the discoloration the amber liquid imparted to the colored test results (both dip-in strips and vial/drop type). He realized the money he spent on these two types of barely effective test kits together would have bought a nice electronic pH unit.
- He has read that pineapple juice may increase the effect of some of the desireable alkaloids so he will likely do some research on this. ?
- He is interested in any experimentation others have had isolated and removed whatever it is (annoying alkaloid!) that causes the itch and loss of eyelid motor control LOL. ?

Archie is also intending to try the CFO method using the 40 gram or so quantity of stems left the same batch of dried pods. He is unsure of whether the resulting CPS will yield enough to be worth his efforts. ? He seems more interested in the ease, control, and "ritual" of a smoking experience than the tea-drinking experience.
He wanted to pass on his deepest gratitude and appreciation for the amount of practical information this site offers.

d_one

[e-spacecadet]

He has read that pineapple juice may increase the effect of some of the desireable alkaloids so he will likely do some research on this. ?[/quote]

Did this have to do with the pineapple enzymes/bromelain helping break down the tea?

[samuraigecko]

The itching comes from a mild allergic reaction to certain alkaloids in the tea. As the body releases histamines to fight what it thinks is wrong, itchyness occurs. Codeine, Oripavine and Narcotine are thought to be the major causes of this. an imaginary 3 toed sloth told SWIM he is researching and working on a way to remove narcotine and oripavine while still keeping the other alkaloids intact.

The heavy eyelids is called "nodding" LOL . . . SWIyou will NEVER stop that with any opiate unless SWIyou become tolerant etc.

Hope this has been of help

[deviant_one]

Originally Posted by e-spacecadet

Did this have to do with the pineapple enzymes/bromelain helping break down the tea?

Archie believes that sounds correct.

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

The heavy eyelids is called "nodding" LOL . . . SWIyou will NEVER stop that with any opiate unless SWIyou become tolerant etc.

Archie will just have to get used to nodding - he has the perfect old reclining chair for it ! He'll be interested to see the results of the research...

Thanks!