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Old 25-05-2007, 18:04
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Re: Making Cocaine base w/ ammonia

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FlakeyPink : 37 %. Order it from some chem shop.
does swiy know if its a watched item? and also anhydrous ether and anhydrous acetone online is hard to get ahold of or swim doesnt know the formal name they use on websites, any info on these items? a pm would be nice
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Re: Is Crack Flammable?

Not these days, because cocaine is converted to crack using sodium carbonate.

But people used to use ether, which is a highly flammable solvent. So if someone was making their own crack, if they weren't careful they could set themselves on fire. Richard Pryor did it to himself back in the day.
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Re: Is Crack Flammable?

Why would anyone use ether ? You don't need it for going from cocaine hcl to freebase, you need it to get the freebase to hcl.
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Re: Is Crack Flammable?

It gives better yields than baking soda.
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

aright, a few questions

a) what is the theory behind adding ether to the base before the acetone/hcl sollution? I mean, the specifics. SWIM can guess that the ether helps with maintaining ph and/or helping the crystals to form uniformly without stirring or what have you, but why does that happen?

b) as far as swim can tell, the reaction CAN happen without ether or something similar, merely with aceton, but it needs more patience, stearing and even then only the first "batch" is of excelent quality, the next ones are worce. Why does that happen?

c) what are the measurements to do the same procedure with ethyl alcohol instead of ether? Also, what is the theory behind it and what is the difference in quality and what can it be atributed to?

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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Apparently Acetone + Hcl (same aount used in the tek) mixed with Acetone + base is going to work. That is how they used to do it in Germany in the 1930s pharmaceutically.
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Deckstruct 11 have SWIY got more pics of the final product? bigger pics I mean.. more detailed....?
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

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aright, a few questions

a) what is the theory behind adding ether to the base before the acetone/hcl sollution? I mean, the specifics. SWIM can guess that the ether helps with maintaining ph and/or helping the crystals to form uniformly without stirring or what have you, but why does that happen?

b) as far as swim can tell, the reaction CAN happen without ether or something similar, merely with aceton, but it needs more patience, stearing and even then only the first "batch" is of excelent quality, the next ones are worce. Why does that happen?

c) what are the measurements to do the same procedure with ethyl alcohol instead of ether? Also, what is the theory behind it and what is the difference in quality and what can it be atributed to?

thanks alot

Hello everyone, my very 1st post so go easy on me.. this is a cut and paste from wiki which covers it well...

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Freebase cocaine is produced by first dissolving cocaine hydrochloride in water. Once dissolved in water, cocaine hydrochloride (Coc HCl) dissociates into protonated cocaine ion (Coc-H+) and chloride ion (Cl– ). Any solids that remain in the solution are not cocaine (they are part of the cut) and are removed by filtering. A base, typically ammonia (NH3), is added to the solution. The following net chemical reaction takes place:
Coc-H+Cl– + NH3 → Coc + NH4Cl
As freebase cocaine (Coc) is insoluble in water, it precipitates and the solution becomes cloudy. To recover the freebase in the "traditional" manner, diethyl ether is added to the solution. Since freebase is highly soluble in ether, a vigorous shaking of the mixture results in the freebase being dissolved in the ether. As ether is practically insoluble in water, it can be siphoned off. The ether is then left to evaporate, leaving behind the nearly pure freebase."

I've skipped a few pages so this may not be what you are asking but I hope it answers your question..
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

ari30: thanks for the effort but thats not what i was asking.

first of all wiki is a bit wrong here, diethyl ether is not used in A/B extraction with water when cocaine is extracted. Well it CAN be used but it would yeald a product loss. Diethyl ether is not miscible with water but it does dissolve it so you wouldnt want that. Petroleum ether is used or just plain filtering.

in any case what i was asking is what is the theory of using ether during crystalization. I.e when converting cocaine base to cocaine hydrochloride why some sort of alcohol type solvent (non pollar that is but miscible with aceton) must be used. Preferebly ether. I dont understand the reasoning. Possibly it helps with crystal formation due to solubility differentials
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Old 21-09-2007, 09:58
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

im probably the only one still interested in actually using good cocaine by means of an A/B extraction as deckstrack illustrates but as im reading more questions form (and deckstruck aint here to answer god dammit)

for starters, do we know the pka vallues of cocaine and the rest alkaloids present in the mixture?

I believe the theory behind getting the ph to 10-11 is because the cocaine pka is 8.61 so cocaine will be 99% dissosiated at ph 10.61, am i correct? In the chance that there are basable alkaloids with pka of lower vallue what happens to them? Why do they stick to the rod/bottom/wall of the beaker and not just basify as well?

What i mean is this, we tirtrate ammonia ok? Some of the cuts basify before cocaine but still some cocaine will basify as well for excample at ph 8 quite a lot of cocaine will be base sticking to the beaker as well meaning that will either be lost or we will have to take the crap allong, right?

If we take the ph more than 10-11 there is a chance that ammonia will atack the C=O bond forming OH-C-NH2 but while SOME cocaine will be lost to that, it wont be that much if the ph doesnt go too far up (and water is what? 14 the max? something like that) and the smell will have notified us earlier.

but what happens at the basable cuts that have a pka of 9 or 10 (that could as well go for an a/b extraction t o purify street cocaine)? How do we get rid of them? Also, how are we shure that no cocaine crystals will be suspended in the water thus pasing the filter?
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

call swim dumb but why use ether or any other solvent?
Can't swim just smoke the filtered out base? if washed properly surley this would be nearly pure?
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Old 18-10-2007, 09:11
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

no it wouldnt be, certain active cuts that will get free-based as well will not dissolve in ether (caffeine comes to mind), so that will purify it further.

regardless though, SWIM frawns upon smoking, its to blunt, to brute, snorting has some elegance to it and is more controlable
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

true - so has swiy tried this 100% purte hci then? give us swiy's opinion? is it worth all the work?
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Old 21-10-2007, 11:32
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Its never 100% pure, not even 95, or 90%...more often than not it will be lower, but still in the high regions.

and yes its worth the effort, swim will post a pic tutorial to complement the one by deckstruck because deckstruck takes ALOT of things for granted (e.g it prety easy to mess up the acidity of the cocaine)

the difference between purified cocaine and street cocaine is huge, they are different drugs. Apearance for starters. Purified cocaine is like snow. Both in apearence, and concistency as well as density
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Ok a few observations and tips untill the pic tutorial.

1) SWIM usually uses 300-400mg of cocaine in a session of 5-6 hours. Rarely he uses more. The equilevant "fun" with purified cocaine is...100mg! SWIM is shitting you not, 100mg of pure stuff is quantitavely equal to 400mg of (medium quality) street cocaine. And its far less fiending.

2) When basifying with ammonia after you dry up the cocaine base there might be some yellow "rocky" residue. You must discard those. They are probably NaCl formed when basifying if the cocaine was originaly too acidic.

3) Its Prety easy to mess up the crystalization and end up with a cocaine that will burn like a bitch. Swim did that and was mighty dissapointed. The thing is that after getting the base, more often than not some ether insoluble crap will remain. Thats probably caffeine or what have you, swim doesnt know, but they are there. Regadless wheter you filter them out or not the ether will have less cocaine than orignaly thought and the hcl acid measurement will be wrong! There are a couple of solutions to this

a) when you have the base recrystalize it out of ether. I.e you have base, add some ether (like 10ml per gramm of base, not much). Filter out anything insoluble, and let the ether evaporate in a pyrex dish. When evaporated the cocaine will be left on the glass, scrape it out and weight. THATS the cocaine base weight. Mind you when the ether evaporates some condesation will form on the pyrex (especially given that the evaporation MUST be done outside!). That will cause the cocaine to be an oily crap, not the white residue. Just be patient, put it under a heat lamp or smt, and wait.
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

if cocaine is dissolved in ether..filtered and ether evapped SWIY will end up with the same stuff he had dissolved. It's not gonna get any more pure just by evapping. Recrysallisation is another thing altogether. This method will give the weiight of the free base anyhow, if there is anything else in that base it would be there even after evaporation and the fact that an oily crap is the result is the proof of that. If it was pure cocaine freebase it would crystallize in white flakes as soon as the ether evaporates.

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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

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if cocaine is dissolved in ether..filtered and ether evapped SWIY will end up with the same stuff he had dissolved.
minus the ether insoluble impurities caught in the filter obviously, and thats the whole point, to get an acurate reading of basable material.

It does not crystalize in flakes, it crystalizes as a white residue stuck on the pyrex which you have to scrape off. The oily goo is probably water, try it you'll see what hapens
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Epote thanks for posting on thread on other forum. Not getting good responses there so thought I will post here as well see if anyone can help.

SWIM had HCL guessed at about 30% actual coke.

a) SWIM disolved 10g in 400ml water.

b) SWIM filtered out what did not disolve (seems to be about 40% of the original product and some other type of caine as it numbs.)

c) Rinsed filter with 200ml more water.

d) Dropped 1ml at a time of 5% ammonia into the 600mler water+hcl sol'n

e) Yes white clouds but nothing seeming to stick to sides/glass rod. Can't see if anything on the bottom because is 1L pyrex jug and soln has become murky

f) Kept adding more and stirring. Seems like no more white clouds wiht more ammonia but since nothing seems to be happening added quite a bit more

g) SWIM freaked out at loss of 10g (junk blow anyway I guess.) Hardly remembers whats next. Ended up having some clear very sticky goo. Rinsed it and left in a a bowl of water.... solidified white after about 30 mins. SWIM smoked a bit and it was great. About 2g of this stuff was made.


SO... why did nothing seem to form with the ammonia? Also why does this method call for so much water if hcl is so water soluble... SWIM thinks that maybe because the junk was so weak in the first place there was too much water used and the concentration was too low to effectively make base?

Thanks for more info!
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

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Epote thanks for posting on thread on other forum.
Oooops yeah your suggestion was to be patient but this is after the fact LOL. SWIM is concerned that the problem was not to do with not waiting long enough but maybe?
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

More questions as well:

a) I see contradiction in what Deckstruct says... when adding ammonia coke base should sink to the bottom and crap stick to sides and stirrer. But then he says "if any base gets stuck on the sides of the jar use clean swoosh around and wash out onto the filter mass." so if that is junk why we scrape it off?

b) Le Junk's modified method suggests stirring until "white goo" forms on stir rod and then STOP > filter and continue in clean jar....with the claim that the goo is junk other substances which base easier than coke... any comments on this?

Thanks!
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

2binky:

out of experience, if you have less than 10-20grams dont bother with that, if anything does form on the rod (which i doupt) just scrape it off when the base starts to form. But frankly it doesnt happen, dont bother with it.

and dont change beakers, the loss of product is too big in swims opinion (he tried it)
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Thx epote.

If stuff does stick to sides and/or rod is it junk or should it be scraped off and used?

Also is there anyhting that will get rid of methamphetamine or amphetamine hcl? I believe water rinse only would apply to amph sulphate.

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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

no prob mate, to your questions now

1) gauge by eye, if its snow white use it, anything thats off collor or what have you dont use it. SWIM never personaly found excecive goo pick up on rod and/or beaker, THOUGH, when dissolving everything in ether something seems to be insoluble, all three times swim tried it, it happens, so filter that out just to be safe.

Actually, what SWIY sould do is this, after finishing with the ammonia treatment, filter out the precipitate and let it dry but ALSO, let the beaker and rod dry out as well. When EVERYTHING is done pour 10ml of ether per gram of filtered base in the dirty beaker and add the dry base as well, stir up for some time (having everything covered though, ether evaps WAY to fast) like shake it for a minute or smt. Then if anything hasnt dissolved is either still water wet cocaine or some ether insoluble cut, filter it out and pour the ether/base solution in a pyrex or a surface to evaporate in any case. Rince some more ether over the filter because the filter will have cought some cocaine containing ether and let everything to evaporate. Bear in mind that your ether must be fresh and do this either in a fume hood or outside! After some time (be patient) the ether will have evaporated and something kinda sticky/kinda white crystaline will remain on the pyrex, that cocaine with some condesation picked up from the ether evap (it gets cold, VERY cold, actually it could form ice!), put that under a heat lamp or in the oven and again be patient, after half an hour maybe more that will have epaporated too and only cocaine base will remain. Scrap it off weight it and then do the crystallization.

2) cocaine is VERY RARELY cut with amphetamines, swim has never encountered something like that. In any case, amphetamine salts (also methamphetamine as well, and mdma etc) at room temperature are water insoluble OILS, they will form a brownish kind of like lava lamp emulsions at the bottom of the beaker. When you filter it out and water wash it, they will just get absorbed by the filter paper. Caffeine base is water soluble and ether insoluble, ephedrine is also kind of water soluble (at 60ml water most ephedrine will be removed), pseudoeffedrine on the other hand is a bitch, you just cannot remove it...Swim also believes quinine is water insoluble ass well.

Also most -caines will not be completely removed (but then again swim thinks that -caines are not the end of the world)

p.s. i mentioned drying the moist cocaine base. That is most definately a BITCH. Letting it dry by evaporation takes ALONG time, like 24 hours at least depending on how much water it had. Also SWIY sould not heat it up (like with a blow ryer), cocaine base gets volatile at high temperatures and also turns into a brown oil, swim has lost alot of stuff by being impatient. The best method is puting it over a bed of anhydrous magn sulfate, in the oven at 50 celsious and let it overnight
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

Thx again! Just a few more!

a) Can you comment on using ethanol (190 proof grain alcohol) vs ether using Le Junk's method?

b) I am pretty sure stuff in SWIM's area is definately cut with crank

c) Where I can get your pics? Your PM box is full


ps. SWIM just made a batch... after 30 mins looks like SWIM jerked off in the pyrex jug.... is a white crystally paste but doesnt seem like acetone is seperating to the top much. Maybe because SWIM wanted air circulation and where SWIM lives is like -10 degrees....
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Re: Making Cocaine freebase with ammonia methods thread

a) swim has never tried using anything other than anhydrous ether. But it can be done, as far as swim knows ethanol is used in cocaine producing countries because they control ether. BUT, 190 proof alcohol means its 95% pure (which is quite typical, ethanol cannot be distiled more than 95% its an azeotrope with water) the rest 5% is mostly water, unless its stated otherwise (could be benzene, they use it to purify it). Pure alcohol is 200 proof btw.

Also swim does not know the quantities used. He knows the procedure is this if using alcohol as a solvent:

dissolve cocaine base in acetone
add hcl acid (nothing happens)
add ethanol (crystals form)

but this goes for large scale, more over cocaine hcl is soluble in ethanol so there will be some loss. SWIY could just use a stoichiometric amount of hcl acid (or perhaps a bit more) and then titrate the ethanol? That could work.

b) swim is betting that its not but if it IS, you'll notice, amphetamines when in base form are liquids, they will be either washed away with the water or else get absorbed by the filter.

c) ill post them here, dont worry, and obviously they are not mine, they are of a flamingo i know

what do you mean the acetone is not separating? Break down the procedure you used

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