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Old 27-07-2007, 15:19
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Is Meth really that bad?

Is Meth really as bad as it's made out to be? I've heard of people using heroin but swearing never to use meth 0_o. Is it really this bad or is it all propaganda?
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Old 27-07-2007, 18:03
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

The high is great. But...

SWIM is on a come down right now actually. The come down is insanely painful mentally and physically, makes it so you can't sleep, etc. I don't even feel like typing more because the comedown drains all your energy and "will" to do stuff.
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Old 27-07-2007, 18:12
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

The comdowns not fun, and is long, but its def, not that bad to SWIM.

Mainly it just feels like bordom and not getting pleasure from anything.

A coke comdown is shorter but MUCH more intense.

SWIM will take the long comdown anyday.

Not too menction the high is a lot more intense/cheaper/longer lasting.
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Old 27-07-2007, 18:16
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

SWIM hates the feeling of no will to do anything, and not getting pleasure from anything, which is why SWIM hates the meth comedown so damn much.

Question. If SWIM is on a comedown, will doing more meth remove the comedown until later?
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Old 27-07-2007, 18:57
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Many people don't dose properly, products can be impure, people don't eat all the calories needed for the entire day before dosing, people don't hydrate enough while high, people don't get around to smoking early in the morning to enable sleep by night time, and don't cram the nutrition in after coming down as they should. It can be very hard on the body. It can also damage dopamine receptors at certain dosages, I don't know if it is permanent though.

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Old 27-07-2007, 19:17
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Meth is pretty much "the worst" as far as drugs go IMO.

While talking to a neurologist/psychiatrist specializing in drug addiction, swim was told that methamphetamine, amphetamine, and free base cocaine (crack) are believed to be the most psychologically addictive drugs seen today.

Also, as mentioned by others before myself, nearly 100% of methamphetamine available on the street was made by an amateur chemist in a home-made lab. For this reason, street meth can't be trusted the way that pharmaceuticals usually can.

The question "Is methamphetamine bad?" is really too much of a generalized question. It's bad; SWIM will not touch it.

All that being said, SWIM has never used methamphetamine but has had much experience with amphetamine and it's various forms/relatives.
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Old 27-07-2007, 19:49
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

swim totally thinks meth is freekin addictive as hell. it sucks you in fast. swim knows that longterm use has effects on the brain. once u start, u sure won't want to stop. the high is great, but the comedown sucks....bad. swim doesn't think it matters how early in the morning someone starts to smoke it or shoot it, or however a person chooses to do it. if it's good stuff, you're gonna stay high for a while. if your goin' to start doing meth, start out easy, and don't do too much. put on your seatbelt and be prepared for a long and bumpy ride. swim's advise ... stay as far away as possible.
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Old 27-07-2007, 21:49
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Is meth bad? It sure is if you're doing it all day, every day, and not taking care of yourself because of it. Is meth bad? It sure isn't if you're using it sparingly for the occassional all-nighter to finish a project or write a paper.

I hate it when people ask these questions..everything is so subjective, it's impossible to give a solid answer that fits the bill for everyone.
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Old 27-07-2007, 22:06
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Meth isn't any worse than a gun or nuclear power or a stuffed puppy. It's all in the hands of the person who holds it. It can be used for good or bad. I've seen some awful things done with a stuffed puppy....

On a sidenote SWIM thinks meth is a very addictive drug, and though it may have practical purposes (staying awake for survival during the apocalypse), SWIM has decided that he will trust in his body's adrenaline should any such situation occur, because the temptation of using an "emergency supply" of meth (laughable, SWIM knows) for non-emergency reasons (recreation) is very high.

SWIM wasn't even that impressed with the high, he just felt energetic and focused and like he was being very productive. Perhaps he didn't snort enough for a recreational dose. However, regardless of not being a great high, SWIM still had a terrible week afterwards and craved more.

SWIM enjoys the E high more.

These are just some of SWIM's thoughts and experiences though, everyone reacts different. However, from reading here and elsewhere, it seems meth causes many problems and is a pretty dangerous recreational drug, due to it's high addiction potential. Don't think meth often helps more than it hinders, even when use starts with good intentions.

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Old 27-07-2007, 22:11
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

It's worth mentioning that the serious neurotoxicity from long-term, high-dose methamphetamine use has not been shown to recover in studies, even after several years of abstaining from all drugs.
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Old 28-07-2007, 10:47
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Both cocaine and meth boost brain levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine, which causes feelings of euphoria and increased energy, but go about it in different ways. Cocaine doesn’t directly stimulate the release of dopamine; it prevents the normal recycling of the chemical messenger once it’s released. Meth goes a step further — it actually gets into the nerve cell where it causes the excessive release of dopamine. Meth users can quickly become addicted to the spike in dopamine.

Abuse of methamphetamine is linked to several serious medical complications such as heart damage, stroke and psychosis. But perhaps the most frightening side effect is long-term neurological damage unlike anything seen with heroin or cocaine.

While high levels of dopamine in the brain usually cause feelings of pleasure, too much can produce aggressiveness, irritability and schizophrenic-like behavior.

“Meth has more long-term, serious effects on the brain than cocaine,” said Dr. Nora Volkow, senior scientist at Brookhaven National Laboratories in Upton, N.Y., who has studied the effects of both cocaine and methamphetamine on the brain for 15 years.


Using brain-imaging techniques, scientists have discovered that the brains of former chronic users show a significant decrease in the number of dopamine transporters, a crucial component of a functional dopamine system.


In layman's terms, it sucks the feel good chemicals right out of your brain. That's why people that do it all the time say they "need" it to feel good- Those people are actually telling the truth...Their brain isn't producing enough feel good chems, because it's all whacked and ski-whiffed from the meth.
They say this improves over time... All I can say is the only thing you can guarantee if you quit meth is you will do no FURTHER damage...Brain cells don't repair themselves, once they dead, they be gone. That's why people joke so much about burning all your brain cells. Because they actually do not come back once gone!

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Old 28-07-2007, 21:19
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

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Both cocaine and meth boost brain levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine, which causes feelings of euphoria and increased energy, but go about it in different ways. Cocaine doesn’t directly stimulate the release of dopamine; it prevents the normal recycling of the chemical messenger once it’s released. Meth goes a step further — it actually gets into the nerve cell where it causes the excessive release of dopamine. Meth users can quickly become addicted to the spike in dopamine.

Abuse of methamphetamine is linked to several serious medical complications such as heart damage, stroke and psychosis. But perhaps the most frightening side effect is long-term neurological damage unlike anything seen with heroin or cocaine.

While high levels of dopamine in the brain usually cause feelings of pleasure, too much can produce aggressiveness, irritability and schizophrenic-like behavior.

“Meth has more long-term, serious effects on the brain than cocaine,” said Dr. Nora Volkow, senior scientist at Brookhaven National Laboratories in Upton, N.Y., who has studied the effects of both cocaine and methamphetamine on the brain for 15 years.


Using brain-imaging techniques, scientists have discovered that the brains of former chronic users show a significant decrease in the number of dopamine transporters, a crucial component of a functional dopamine system.


In layman's terms, it sucks the feel good chemicals right out of your brain. That's why people that do it all the time say they "need" it to feel good- Those people are actually telling the truth...Their brain isn't producing enough feel good chems, because it's all whacked and ski-whiffed from the meth.
They say this improves over time... All I can say is the only thing you can guarantee if you quit meth is you will do no FURTHER damage...Brain cells don't repair themselves, once they dead, they be gone. That's why people joke so much about burning all your brain cells. Because they actually do not come back once gone!
You say that damage happens to long-term users, correct?

Then exactly how long is considered long-term for meth users?
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Old 28-07-2007, 21:53
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Long term use of meth probably does have the worse neolgical damage.

However nothing feels worse than a cocaine comdown in SWIMs expeirnce long term im sure its safer, but cocaine will give the most "soul sucked out of your body" feeling.
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Look at the average tweaker....then tell me is it bad?

It may have theraputic uses but its terribly risky.....seductive as hell fun as hell but creats a hell on earth for swim so swim is done with it. If there wasnt an upside people wouldnt do it but just look at the stigma attatched to the word tweaker......for the most part street meth be "veddy veddy bad ju ju mon!"
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

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Long term use of meth probably does have the worse neolgical damage.
I bet long term use of PCP has the worst.
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Long term use of meth probably does have the worse neolgical damage.

However nothing feels worse than a cocaine comdown in SWIMs expeirnce long term im sure its safer, but cocaine will give the most "soul sucked out of your body" feeling.
Has SWIY ever had a big meth comedown?

And nobody has posted how long 'long-term' is for meth users, still...
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Old 29-07-2007, 05:38
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

from swim:


ve had some major meth comdown, the more i take usauly the easer it is to come off of (Mentaly) but much longer.

Cocaine comdown gives intense feelings for more and intense rebound effect.

unlike meth that gives a very long "easy" comdown.

def not easy but compared to coke very gentle.

I belive its YOU who change and eventually get more sick and tired off it as u expeirence it.
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ve had some major meth comdown, the more i take usauly the easer it is to come off of (Mentaly) but much longer.

Cocaine comdown gives intense feelings for more and intense rebound effect.

unlike meth that gives a very long "easy" comdown.

def not easy but compared to coke very gentle.

I belive its YOU who change and eventually get more sick and tired off it as u expeirence it.
SWIM is amazed you called meth a "easy" comedown. Obviously SWIY never did good meth.

The comedown gives intense cravings, as well as insomnia, depression, loss of happiness, you will no longer see fun in anything until you get high again, body ache, and usually extreme regret.

SWIM has done his share of coke, he traded his addiction of it for meth actually. Coke never gave him anything even close to a comedown as meth does. And yes, it was some of the best blow in southern Florida.
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

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It's worth mentioning that the serious neurotoxicity from long-term, high-dose methamphetamine use has not been shown to recover in studies, even after several years of abstaining from all drugs.

swim thinks that swiy is absolutley freekin' right-on. swim thought that after 2 years, and moving geographicaly, it would be easier not to think about meth, and that the cravings would go away.... wrong. swim thinks that all drugs, meth especially, have a definate long-term affect on the brain. swim hates it!
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

The comedown for every long term user of meth swim has ever known is the same. Severe depression, lack of enjoyment in anything and everything, severe lack of motivation, lack of energy, insomnia ( and who ever thought a meth user would complain about insomnia?) Coke was a breeze for swim to quit, every other substance swim used and abused was no problem to stop.....Meth on the other hand.... damn near impossible. It has taken everything swim can do to stop. After over 2 years away from it, swim still will have cravings. swim requires meds to feel even remotely alive anymore. Granted, some people can use and walk away from it, so is it dangerous? If swiy are one of the lucky ones that can just use a bit and that's it....no, not really? but it is somewhat like playing russian roullette. A gun with no bullets is not dangerous, however if swiy is one that really enjoys the meth high., so much swiy does it day after day... the gun is loaded . swim's been bitched at before for "trying to scare the kiddies" swim's not trying to scare anyone. Only sharing swim's experiences and those of others swim knows who have had real life problems with meth use, and the biggest problem with meth...stopping the use of it. Does every meth user swim knows have a problem with it? No. Swim has seen people use meth on a very seldom basis and have zero problems. Used only a couple times a month....swim sees no problems....so it's a crapshoot...if in doubt it aint worth even trying. if swiy has an addictive type personality....do not use or try it. We're all big boys and girls and can make our own decisions. swim just wants everyone to see all sides of something before jumpin in. Swim has over 30 years experience using meth, and the past 3 working on not using meth. It's a bitch.....a real F-n bitch.
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SWIM is amazed you called meth a "easy" comedown. Obviously SWIY never did good meth.

The comedown gives intense cravings, as well as insomnia, depression, loss of happiness, you will no longer see fun in anything until you get high again, body ache, and usually extreme regret.

SWIM has done his share of coke, he traded his addiction of it for meth actually. Coke never gave him anything even close to a comedown as meth does. And yes, it was some of the best blow in southern Florida.
Ha... never done meth, thats were ur mistaken. I didnt say it was easy just easy compared to coke, and it def is, to SWIM everybody is different and no one can say a meth come down is easer than a coke comdown for everyone and vice versa.

SWIM on meth:

0:00 tweaks, gets the rush that last for around 30 min.
0:30 rush turn into a really good high
2:00 really good high ends, still feels good.
3:30 the good high is over but still feels nic
5:00 by this time any pleasure is gone and he is usally struggling losing the euphoria.

And for the next 4-8 hours he has sex witch is always amazing and then by that time the comdown is minor and he can funtion near normaly.

ALL that in SWIMS opinoin is def not a good thing but gives no where near the extream deppression he heres people taking about, extreame bordom mabye.

Thats with 2-5 times a week useage however, SWIM isnt like everyday kinda person, not by choice.
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Ha... never done meth, thats were ur mistaken. I didnt say it was easy just easy compared to coke, and it def is, to SWIM everybody is different and no one can say a meth come down is easer than a coke comdown for everyone and vice versa.

SWIM on meth:

0:00 tweaks, gets the rush that last for around 30 min.
0:30 rush turn into a really good high
2:00 really good high ends, still feels good.
3:30 the good high is over but still feels nic
5:00 by this time any pleasure is gone and he is usally struggling losing the euphoria.

And for the next 4-8 hours he has sex witch is always amazing and then by that time the comdown is minor and he can funtion near normaly.

ALL that in SWIMS opinoin is def not a good thing but gives no where near the extream deppression he heres people taking about, extreame bordom mabye.

Thats with 2-5 times a week useage however, SWIM isnt like everyday kinda person, not by choice.
The time schedule SWIY posted is pretty near correct.

But not everyone can have sex during their comedown. SWIM doesn't have access to sex during his drug time, so SWIM is forced to live with the comedown.

But no wonder SWIY called the meth comedown "easy", SWIY just has sex during his. You should think about the general public, where probably only about 5-10% are in your situation.
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

Also, SWIM suffers from a "dead" dick from when he does the first hit of meth until atleast 24 hours afterwards, usually longer. Sex is impossible, muchless masturbation.
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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

After reading these horror stories of cravings after 2+ years of stopping, SWIM is really considering stopping meth.

SWIM has done it only 5-6 times now total, for 3-4 weeks. The most taken was 100$ worth smoked from 10pm Thursday to 10pm Friday, and got only about 5 hours of sleep out of 60 hours. SWIM is still recovering mentally and physically right now, 3 days later (all clean). Cravings are still bad as well.

SWIM thinks that since he hasn't gotten to a daily usage of it, and hasn't done it for very long, he should stop before it gets any worse and ruins his future.

Do you agree? SWIM swears he'll need to find a new fun drug though for the future, and to help cravings. Living clean right now (SWIM promised himself after that last binge to not spend anymore on drugs until atleast Monday) is quite hard.

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Re: Is Meth really that bad?

About the sex... SWIM had this problem when he first started using... either as he used more or masterbated/had sex, it got easer and easer too do, utill eventually its just awsome, and u never want to stop.

When he first started, sex on tweak would feel nice for the first few minutes then pretty much go limp for a day, as he got more expreirenced the pleasure of the sex increased as did the ammount of time before it would just compleatly lose its pleasure.

Now however Sex is amazing can last a good ammount of time, 4h+ without trying, and never loses its good feeling.

SWIM Still has sex problems on coke similar to when he first started tweaking, however its begening to get better as well.

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