Originally Posted by Alfa
Something tells me smoking this is not the wisest of ideas.
SWIM believes that's particularly true until someone posts about what's happening in the chemical reaction he mentioned, and what the resulting end product really is. SWIM
is not up enough on chemistry to know if what's happening is a salt being converted to a base (ala cocaine
) or something else entirely.
Even if it were D2PM free base, SWIM doesn't know if it would vaporize, break down (which at best would waste product, at worst be inhaling some unknown chemical doing who knows what) or some combination of the two. He does strongly suspect there's at least some D2PM in the smoke.
It would help greatly as well to know if the smoke is toxic to the lungs (more accurately, too toxic to be worth it)... even if it were purely vaporized D2PM, the stuff is too irritating to be snorted, so it could possibly be harmful if inhaled.
If all that were figured out and found to be safe, SWIM thinks it would probably be OK (insofar as smoking stimulants
ever would be anyway).
Originally Posted by snapper
It is one thing to vaporize something known to not degrade (DMT
,etc), but with a complete unknown, it really is gambling with one's wellbeing.
Fwiw, ingesting D2PM at all may be gambing with one's well-being. This was the one tested for use in treating cocaine addicts, correct? If so, he's wondering if anyone knows for sure why it was rejected and not released as a pharmaceutical drug
. If not, it is an unknown quantity itself, never mind the smoke.
Supposing it were originally meant for cocaine withdrawal and withdrawn for reasons other than health, SWIM has seen a few accounts floating around of addictive behavior with this substance, which depending on a lot of factors could be very toxic; e.g. large amounts ingested harming various organs.
Anyway, SWIM is not saying this makes smoking it a good idea, just that taking it at all is likely not a good idea and should be limited to risk-takers willing to sacrifice their health. Smoking it may be worse, and given the fragile nature of the lungs and fairly common fact of toxins showing up in smoke he agrees nobody should do it until some basics are known.