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Old 10-07-2013, 15:09
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Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Hello all, I am the mother of a 22yo who has been on methadone for 2 years - 8 months at 115mg. He wants very much to quit but does not want to wean. He is insisting on quitting cold turkey and has asked his family (me, dad, brother) to help him do it at home. He does not want to go inpatient because he feels he needs to be home, with loving family around, TV, Xbox, Netflix, Phone, Computer, good food of his own choosing, pets he loves etc. He has already quit all other substances, including benzos, for the past two months. He is on Topamax to avoid seizures. He has prescriptions for Vistaril and Trazadone that he can use to help him sleep and will add immodium. Someone will be home with him 24/7 for 10-12 days.

He feels really good about his decision, has no friends in his life that use and wants desperately to be free of this so he is "all in" mentally. He wants to be able to go on trips with us, hook up with a girl and not have to rush out at 6am to get to the clinic, sleep late without being sick and so on. He does not want to trade the methadone addiction for suboxone (although I'd feel better if he did - am I wrong?).

He has also been preparing nutritionally, removing red meat and caffeine, drinking lots of water etc. He is also taking a HiPo Omega 3, Milk Thistle and Lemon Balm. He just had a full physical so is in good health.

OK, so I am scared to death about this. I am going to buy a blood pressure/pulse monitor so that I can monitor those, and his temperature, every few hours except when he is sleeping. What do I expect? When do I know there is a problem that means he needs the ER? How do I give him the most comfort? Are there other supplements that will help? Beverages other than water and ginger ale that are good? How soon before he feels well enough to go out and do something fun?

Any help you all can give would be more than welcome!
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Old 10-07-2013, 15:43
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Mom it is absolutely wonderful that he has the families support. That alone is going to do more for him than all the meds or anything else will. The BP monitor is a must. Ask the DR to prescribe some clonidine for his blood pressure. 1 when he wakes and one at bed time should be enough to keep his BP in check although it may still run high or very low depending on your sons health already. Heart rate will most likely stay high for first several days so that is normal. Also ask the DR for some loperamide. It is an opiate but does not cross the blood brain barrier BBB, ( it does but its immediately removed, lots to this but unnecessary info for what your doing, just know it will help his bowels issues that will be desperately needed. ) I also recommend the DR prescribe Fenagren for the stomach to help with nausea and vomiting. The last thing that is up to you and the DR would be Mirapex used for RLS. and I guarantee you he will have the worst case of RLS, in his arms, legs, torso, everywhere that he has ever experienced. Expect him to go from about 3 days to 7 days, again depends on his condition and amount of use and body chemistry already, without a single wink of sleep. This is truly the hardest part. I went 151 hours straight without the first wink after quitting cold turkey 10 days ago. BUT, I promise after the initial 3-5 days he will start feeling better. and every day after that will be hit or miss but does progress daily to better and better days. My habit albeit prescribed was considerably larger than his and for nearly 7 yrs of upto 500mg plus a day of OXY. However, day 10 with good nutrition, NO CAFFEINE, lots of fluids and his family right there to help him every day get off his feet and move, do something. go outside and enjoy the sun, he will be fine. Just remember that freedom isn't free and that can be used for being an addict also. He will pay some price for what he has done to his body and mind but I promise the price afterwards is much greater and worth the first few days of withdrawal. even when he begs you to make it stop and wants that pill to make it all stop keep the family involved and stay strong for him. He is 22, he most likely has never been thru something so mentally challenging so he will need you there to be his strength. THANK GOD for MOMS. gotta love em. Good luck and don't wait, get him on the road to recovery asap.

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loperamide, while it can help, tends to do just prolong WDs, also the OP already stated that her son is to stay away from it
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Old 11-07-2013, 01:53
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

I must admit, wanting to jump from 115 mg to 0 is going to be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. In most cases this will only lead to relapse or jumping back on methadone. MOST cases, everyone is different. I tapered from 65 mg to 0 in 3 months and 4 1/2 months later im still not right. I'm very functional don't get me wrong but I believe this is just the result of vital nutritional deficiency.

It is very do-able ...he's going to need a lot more then just clonidine. Trazadone will not help him sleep for the first few weeks or months. Vistaril is an extremely mild anxiety medication that works better when used as an anti-histamine.

I would suggest Gabapentin (Neurontin). Many people have their issues with this medication because of its potential withdrawal symptoms. But what they do not understand is that it does not work on your receptors, it is a calcium channel blocker which inhibits the body's ability to absorb magnesium. Taking a magnesium supplement corrects this. Just don't make my mistake and take this medication with an acid reducer or magnesium deficiency will occur (as in my case) But this medication pretty much eliminated my w/d symptoms. I would consult with your family physician and ask as many questions as possible, also research gabapentin and opiate withdrawals.

Seroquel was the only sleeping aid that worked for me, only downfall is you will have never ending hunger and a few side effects. Its very effective for short-term use. Do not take for more then two months. Switch to valerian root and melatonin afterwards.

For diarrhea avoid immodium AD or anything with loperamide HCL - it CAN get you high because it DOES contain opioids.

PLENTY OF WATER AND VITAMINS, I MEAN ATLEAST A GALLON a day if possible.


avoid benzo's at all costs.

But it my honest opinion, your son really should take a few months to a year to taper down. feel free to private message me for any questions or concerns regarding your sons detox.

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Also, you must understand ...he is going to have a rough 1-2 months maybe more. Jumping from 115 after being on it for 2 years is not the move to make.

I'm only being honest with you. Once the physical part subsides, he will enter the PAWS stage. PAWS varies with everyone from 1 month to a year. Depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, RLS, lethargy and lack of energy are the main symptoms. The gabapentin helped me escape that crap, but there are certain procedures to follow when taking this medication. Don't expect your son to be get back to normal anytime soon when jumping from such a high dose if he sticks with it.

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Old 11-07-2013, 05:32
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Dear awesome Mom...while I commend your sons desire to be clean and your wanting to help him, I do believe the best thing you could do to help him is encourage him to taper his dose down alot further before coming off methadone completely.

I am very concerned he may be setting himself up to fail. I understand his head is in a great place at the moment, but that is going to be very hard for him to maintain once withdrawals set in.

Whilst the above posters have given some great advice regarding comfort medication, in my opinion and personal experience, your son gives himself a better chance of succeeding if he first reduces his methadone to a much lower level.

Im not saying what he wants to do is impossible. Certainly having such loving support will make it easier. Im just extremely concerned he is making this harder on himself than it needs to be.

If he is adament about jumping off this high dose and you find the comfort meds are not enough help and he is craving really bad, he can always go back on the program for a few months with the purpose of reducing his dose every few weeks.

There is some really good information on PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome) on this site. Richard_smoker's thread has some very useful and practical advice and tips.

I use valerian root (for help with anxiety and insomnia) & St.Johns wort (to help with depression) [check before using st. Johns wort with other medicines, particularly prescription anti depressants, as it cant be taken with alot of other meds] I dont know if these will be of much help during severe withdrawals. I use them to help with PAWS.

I wish your son the best of luck. DM me if I can be of any further support.
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Old 11-07-2013, 15:56
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Thanks to all of you for your help and suggestions. I know that he should taper but he is hell-bent on doing this his own way and won't hear of the taper. He is meeting with his doctor at the clinic today to tell him about his cold turkey plans. I can only hope that the doctor may be able to talk more sense into him. If not, however, we have to be there for him and support him around the clock as he needs it. We have also arranged for a nurse to come in every day and assess him to make sure he doesn't need the ER. In addition, we have met with an integrative medicine specialist and she will be putting together supplements for the different phases he will go through.

Battler, I also agree with you that if he can't take it he then can either go on Suboxone or back to the clinic and wean down. At least he should be on a much lower dose to start with since he will have days without under his belt at the time.

Strength, I agree that his meds are going to be of limited help but I don't think his MD will prescribe the gabapentin. We are going to have to stay with the integrative supplements for the most part. And we know about the water - SO important. I am just afraid that he will not be able to hold it down - but then we go to the ER and he has agreed to do that if he is not medically stable.

Hadenough - we are going to do the loperimide. Although it is an opiate, his MD did not see that as a problem because we will be handling all of his meds and they will be locked up otherwise. I am also going to ask for the Phenergan.

This is a scary thing but I am learning so much from my research and from helpful people like you all. Thanks so much!

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Old 11-07-2013, 16:13
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Hi Mom

So many of the fine folks here on DF know more than I do. Yet, that said... Subs wicked messed up a kiddo I took under my wings... I would see this kiddo so dopesick it broke my heart. So I helped him "source" $$$

I support you in your efforts with your Son. Just making sure you know how highly addictive subs can be.
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Hello Mom-

This may be a no-brainer, but have you spoken to his drug counselor at all? Perhaps it's time to get on the horn with him/her and explain your concerns and fears about your son going cold turkey off that large a dose of methadone.

I wouldn't offer this advice, but from what you've hinted at (wants to go out with you and your husband on trips, meet girls) he is still very young, though twenty-years of age. Unless he objects outright, you may want to help by getting involved in his standing treatment. Unless, that is, he would get upset if you did. Maybe you can ask him, first, if he minds you speaking to his counselor.

Is that an option?

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Old 11-07-2013, 17:10
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Thanks for that advice - I totally agree. However, the clinic wants nothing to do with talking to his family. Even though my son signed releases they say they don't have time to talk with families and that my son is an adult and he can relay to us what they say to him.

My son just called me though and he just met with the clinic physician. The doctor told him it was going to be hard but after assessing him, the doc thinks he can do it and is supportive of it. He is going to reduce his dose by 5mg per day over the next 8 days, starting today, so that he will be at 75mg when he goes cold turkey next Friday. The doc also suggested that we try and get him some clonidine so I will see if that can be done.

I look forward to any other suggestions and will keep posting as we go through this journey. I am so glad I found this community - you are all so helpful!
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Old 11-07-2013, 17:31
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Great job MOM, I am quite certain every one on here wishes they had a mother like you to get us thru the crazy WD's we have all had. I am glad you have taken such precautions and interest in his recovery.
With family like that I am going to bet that this all passes and is over before you all know it and he will be fine. Sounds like he is as head strong as I was. My DR also asked me to taper and I refused and went CT 11 days ago today. The meds I used are exactly what I posted above for you, Clonadine, Loperamide, GABA, Phenergan and Mirapex for the RLS.

Until 11 days ago I was taking an average of 500mg OXY a day plus oxymorphone which is 4 times stronger. The advice you have received from everyone is wonderful and is coming from some very very experienced people with WD's. Everyone is different but with your support I am betting 3-5 days later your son will be over the worst and by day 7 will be outside getting some sun. Keep him busy after the worst few days. Get his mind occupied fast and make sure even though he may not feel like it he gets some form of mild exercise.

(fast note : as noted in my post remarks above, loperamide can be an issue but my personal experience was wonderful with it as I only used one tab around 7am and 1 at 7pm each day. I honestly could have used more but it was best to just knock the hardest of the symptoms and not try to completely get rid of them for bowels issues knowing that more can lead to issues as stated, longer Wd or additional addition issues. as of today, day 11 @ noon I have had absolutely need for any more of it and therefore was very pleased with the results I achieved with its use. I also used the exact same amount of Phenergan, 1 morning 1 night for 10 days. By day 3 in the worst of the WD's I was still able to keep good nutritious food down without issue and ensured I still made myself eat 3 small meals each day.)

I believe the fear of going thru this unknown the first time is absolutely the worst enemy. While knee deep in it he will think no way never again, hell no I want to quit. But once it is over and the first week is gone he will look back and go wow, I hated that but I lived and could handle it again. There in lies the problem. Start to deal with the mental aspect immediately with counseling so that he understands WHY he never wants to do that again even when or if his mind is saying lets give it a shot. Good luck once again. Your definitely on the right path.

(ps. like I said, its day 11 for me and Ive been out shopping with my daughter all morning until 30 mins ago. Taking the family to the lake this weekend to play on the seadoos also. If that gives you an idea of how he can "potentially" feel after only a week and a half. Gets better every day I promise....)

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Old 11-07-2013, 19:14
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

My clinical doctor who assisted me in my taper is the one who prescribed me gabapentin. It is a non narcotic drug, research it before you make a decision that could give your kid the upper-hand in his up-coming battle.

Clonidine will help, but not by a long shot. If you are actually scared to death and willing to pay an outrageous amount of money to have a nurse come to your home and check on your son with a blood pressure monitor - why are you so quick to dismiss advice given by someone who's already been there done that, and overcome this demon?

There is no room for biased opinions when it comes to recovery. I would NOT suggest loperimide or however you spell it. Look at this opiate recovery forum on all its horror stories of people as addicted to loperimide as their are those addicted to heroin. Even if YOU yourself administer him these pills, you are still going to draw out his withdrawal.

Since you are scared to death, why not play it safe? Knowledge is power, so equip yourself from every aspect of life. Who is the advising physician, the doctor at the methadone clinic or a general practitioner?
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Old 11-07-2013, 19:42
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Strength - The doctor at the methadone clinic recommended Phenergan and clonidine, but will not prescribe them as he says he can not prescribe for clients - he is just there for methadone and dosing issues and we have to use our regular MD. Our primary care won't prescribe anything at all - I just got off the phone with her - not even anything for nausea because she says she is not an addiction specialist and knows nothing about withdrawals so doesn't feel qualified to take part in this at all.

I am certainly not dismissing your advice IN ANY WAY, just stuck with what the doctors will (or actually won't) prescribe. That is why we have gone with the integrative practitioner, who consults with an addiction MD (but that MD won't treat my son as he is not his patient and he is not taking on new patients). Kinda stuck between the proverbial rock and the hard place with regard to prescription drugs.

We are lucky that the RN who will come every day is a close friend of mine and we won't have to pay outrageous money. I am sure she won't take pay but we will certainly do something very nice for her at the end.

HadEnough - Totally agreed on the counseling. We have already started CBT with an addiction psychologist. He is also going to try some AA meetings with a family member to get out at night once he feels better (in addition to doing things with us and some sober friends to keep him occupied). Congrats on your success - I hope my son feels the same after 11 days as you do!
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Oh I gotcha. You are in a awkward position. I'm not understanding the methadone doctor...he can prescribe / lower / raise an individuals dose but refuses to help them make the best decision in their life by getting off methadone? Your son IS a client if he is being monitored by this doctor.

I've been to two different clinics in my 6 years as a methadone patient, one in NY and one in FL. In NY the doctor was a complete moron incapable of buttoning his own shirt. I've heard horror stories of him telling people to get back on heroin and ween themselves off street smack because they couldn't afford the clinic payments, or if their Medicaid wouldn't push through in time. FORGET about getting prescriptions for comfort meds to even get off, my own counselor at this clinic was even in shock and awe. This clinic I just found out was shut down as of July 6th.

Now in FL, totally different story. The doctor in charge of monitoring the patients was an actual doctor. Most of the time the bottom of the barrel med school degenerates get thrown into methadone clinics and low-income or free clinics. They may pose as doctors but are in no way capable of writing they're own prescriptions....I really don't understand how this all works, just speaking from experience. Anyway, she was totally supportive and actually excited/happy for me. We made a tapering schedule and she assisted me with all the comfort meds needed (non-narcotic wise).

I've also had friends of mine goto they're Family doctor who assisted them in recovery. You family doc doesn't seem to want to get involved, so perhaps you can find another one who will. Perhaps another addiction specialist that will accept new patients. You CANNOT give up on the first try, because if your son wants to really get off this shit, he is going to need all the support he can get, and I don't mean hey honey I love you I know you can do it. This is the raw reality...he will have every reason in the world to want to relapse when it feels like your skeleton is trying to rip its way through your skin and run away.

I know he wants to get off now, but this is thin ice....a really really bad detox could scare him back into the wrong direction. If he has health insurance, why not try a 28 day detox program ....Bupenephiron (excuse the spelling) taper .. or something...there are many alternatives and questions u must ask before you allow him to jump into this head first and eyes closed
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Old 11-07-2013, 23:55
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

From what I understand in our state (MA) the docs at the methadone clinics can legally only prescribe methadone. They have two docs taking care of all of the clinics owned by this mega conglomerate and I don't imagine they were at the top of their med school classes. Either way the law here is supposedly that they can't prescribe other drugs to their methadone patients.

Our insurance doesn't cover anything to do with methadone or suboxone but even if a detox is allowed, only 4 days are authorized. Welcome to managed care! ( Our best bet will be to take him to a medical hospital if he is too unstable and there they will help him.

The one thing I feel ok about is that he won't likely relapse on heroin. He may end up learning the hard way and end up back at the clinic to start a wean after stabilization. We don't agree with his decision but since he is being stubborn we will do all we can to provide him the safety and comfort we are able to give. No amount of convincing will change his mind so we have to take a harm reduction approach. He is legally an adult so we can't not "allow" it and have him go off somewhere far less safe. Our integrative provider is confident that the supplements she puts together for the different phases will provide some comfort on top of his trazadone and vistaril. I can only pray she's right.
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Hey momwants to help,
Im 22 aswell and just kicked a daily heroin and xanax addiction. I hit rock bottom by going to jail and having a seizure whike getting my mugshot done. I didnt do the methadone route from fears of the month long withdrawls. Clonodine and lorazepam were prescribed to me and though they did help it was still help. I stayed in their for eight days.before my boyfriend was able to bail me out. But that alone was enough to never go back down that path.

I understand your concerns about suboxone but it really does help my friend went from 180 mg's of methadone, monster dose i know, he did three weeks of suboxone and only had minor withdrawls for a week afterwards. What him threw was tremendous support from family and friends. Try and keep him busy the moment he doesnt want to do anything is the moment you should do something be it a short walk or getting some sun. And their are also great alternatives to AA, theirs a newer meeting i attend called OAA, opiate addicts anonymous, not.to be a big book thumper but it has helped me so.much. I got a sponsor and have been clean almost thirty days now and i wouldnt of been able to do that myself. A sponsor gave me a friend to confide in and someone to give me accountability. For my actions. I.always thought the 12 steps was a brainwashing technique and it was a cult in disguise. But i slowly learned it isnt that i dont even believe in.a god. But this program has changed my life for the better and im.the last person i.ever thought would get sober.
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

You are a great mum helping your son like this but you must try harder to get him to taper down I don't want to sound negative but he could be setting himself up to fail as Methadone withdrawal is a really long drawn out process which can sometime be felt in one way or another for months.Is this his first time trying to kick?Maybe you could show him some of these posts if he is not aware of them.Anyway good luck,you sound like a really caring mum and don't neglect your needs while your son is going through this.
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Thanks all. Just FYI, I am NOT on board with his decision to do this and wish he would taper more. I have shown him the research, including these posts, and the recommendations for Suboxone (that is what I had wanted to begin with) and he will not listen at all. That is when I decided to start writing here for help on how to best get him through this. If he will not listen to reason, I would rather he be with us during this process than with someone who doesn't care as much - or worse, alone. I kind of see what we are doing as harm reduction - if he is hell-bent on doing it his way, we need to do whatever we can to make it as safe and comfortable as possible. He will have his family and close friends around to help, not just with the withdrawal period but also in the months to come. Luckily, for him moving home means a change from the drug surroundings he was in so the support is sober support. There are also people who are in active recovery that he cares about and will be part of his life - doing just what ThatPerson said in getting him out, taking a walk, going for an ice cream, and yes, going to meetings. Thanks to all!
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Then he is in the best possible hands. I come from a very stubborn family...me being the prime example and I had to learn the hard way -over and over again - not even prison opened my eyes. But a change in my actual living surroundings and the people in my life somehow put me in a position to get off the methadone.

He most likely cant stand being on methadone because he is at such a high damn dose. Over the two years is body adjusted a LONG time ago to 115mg, his doctor should of advised him to lower down. You said he will lower down to 75 over the next week or so? See if he's willing to give it a week or two at 75 to see if he adjusts and if there is any difference? There will be a big difference...anything over 100mg will leave you in a dreamstate all day...
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Hi Awesome Mom, i think its great that you & the rest of the family are there to help him.
There is not much i can say that hasn't already been said, but i just want to wish you all the best.
This is going to be extremely hard for him, as well as the rest of the family, for the next 7 to 10 days. Going cold turkey from 75mg is going to hurt. A lot. Has he detoxed from heroin or methadone before? I just wondered if he knows what he is letting himself in for, even with the other drugs the doctor will be giving him he will still be in a very bad state by the 3rd day & it will only get worse.
I al on a dose of 30ml of liquid methadone & wouldn't think of trying to go cold turkey until i was down to 10ml. & even then i would want to move to subutex (buprenorphine) for a while.
But if he is determined to go CT then that is positive.
Have you thought about getting him to join the site too so he can also come here for advice from other addicts, ex-addicts, people in between & people in treatment (though it might be a problem registering another account through the same IP address, you may have to contact Alpha to see if that is possible)
I find the worst thing about going CT is not been able to sleep. I've always had problems with sleep, i was one of my triggers to use, & after 3 days without it, plus the WD symptoms, i felt like i was going nuts. Sometimes i felt like banging my head off the wall to knock myself out! But with my luck i would just end up with a massive headache & a huge lump on my head.
As Edward Nortons says in Fight Club, everything feels like a copy, of a cop, of a copy. You would do anything just to get 10 minutes sleep, but from the sound of it you have that covered with the trazadone.
I know you have medical professionals to help, but don't forget we are here for you too & we have experience with what he is going through (some of us have done it more times than we wish to remember)
i hope all goes well for him, as well as the rest of the family.
Please keep us informed with how things are going, we will be thinking about you all (& i'm sure those that prey will say one for you all too)
Peace & Light
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Thanks Strength - I already asked him that and his stubborn self is in overdrive. What his dad and I are hoping though is that he may feel the quick taper of 5mg/day and start to be uncomfortable by the time he gets to 75mg - perhaps then he will change his mind and stabilize for a bit. Right now he is still a bit cocky because the 10mg drop (yesterday & today) from 115 to 105 he isn't even noticing at all. We're just taking it a day at a time and will be as flexible as he wants to be . . . or not, if he hold strong to his stubborn decision. We can't force anything, only be there to support his choices. The one positive we really see is that this is the first time HE is driving his recovery and it is HIS desire to be sober - not his family's or anyone else's. We have had him in treatment before and, of course, it didn't work because he wasn't driving the recovery. Perhaps this time it will be different now that he is the driver.

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Westie, thanks so much for your kind words. He is on this forum - I don't know his username and don't want to so that he has privacy to share his thoughts without mom reading them. He knows mine though because I want to be transparent with what I say and do.

I will keep posting - perhaps start another thread with daily updates - once we really get into this. The support is so wonderful!

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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

From my experience, I was on 120mg in my very very early days, like the first few weeks because I was still getting sick later in the day...but that subsided and I began to nod out everywhere and actually get high off the methadone...it became truly unbearable.....I dropped straight to 80 ..(40mg) in one day and I felt no effects what-so-ever...well...except that I wasn't blasted and nodding out left and right. Then 80 was to much for me, as my body adjusted to the dose (everyone's body is different and will react differently to dose changes) I eventually evened out at 65mg and stayed that way for 6 years, model patient never used again (except for marijuana). I didn't get sick till I got down to 15mg on my taper.

Moral of the story, odds are he will feel close to no difference because the methadone is already attatched to his nerves, his fat cells his bones, and re-wired his brain --basically it has bonded with his body chemistry and 75mg is still a strong dose, but not low enough to get him sick. He was at 115 for 2 years

You may have to let him get sick to let him learn his lesson, just be prepared and supportive and let him know its ok the road to recovery is a long one, not a short cut.
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Thanks for sharing that experience - I was unaware that a 40mg drop could be so easy for someone. And thanks for the sage advice - I want him to know he is not a failure even if this doesn't work.
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Re: Son Wants to Cold Turkey From 115mg of Methadone - How Can Family Help?

Hello, i am really interested in knowing how your son is doing now.... I hope he is feeling much better. I tried to send you (momwantstohelp) a direct message, but it said u couldn't recieve messages. So PLEASE let me and everyone else on here know how your sons detox went!!!!! Thank you

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How is he doing now???

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I am really hoping that his detox goes as smoothly as possible. Please keep us updated

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