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Old 07-09-2013, 09:48
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Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

Hey there,

I started taking etizolam a few months back, generally about 1mg a night, a few times a week, to assist sleep. However, in the past two or three months I was taking 1mg (occasionally 2mg) about five times a week.

I got savagely ill a couple of weeks back and stopped taking them. Then, fearing my illness (gastroenteritis), was being exacerbated by withdrawal, I cut down to .5mg, which I took nightly for a week. Then, out of worry, I cut them out completely. That was eleven days ago.

I felt some anxiety and unease but, as it wasn't too bad, I decided just to stay off them.

However I now have little appetite, I still have bouts of diarrhoea which seem to arrive in tandem with feeling super weak and nauseous. Having been tested by the doc I have been told I am essentially healthy - so it's not a lingering bug.

It's weird because I've been sleeping very well and haven't experienced any other withdrawal symptoms - and the ones I have felt have lessened over time.

So my question is: is it possible my lingering stomach upset is a withdrawal symptom? It seems really counterintuitive to go back on the etizolam, but would a longer taper have helped?

Also, if you think this is withdrawal related - will it get worse and how long until it stops?

Or do you think this is just a terrible coincidence and fuck all to do with etizolam?

Would welcome any advice.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:44
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

Well, after cutting down from a 3000mg/month etizolam habit to now 20mg of diazepam per day, I can say I never experienced any form of GI problems. Although I do know that irritable bowel syndrome can manifest during benzo withdrawal, which may be happening in your case.

Withdrawal from even low doses of benzodizepines can last up to or over six months, although in my experience it has only ever been 3 weeks at the most. Is it possible for you to tell your doctor about your drug use? He may be able to help you more if he knows everything. I would only recommend going back on the benzos after his advice, as I know how terribly addictive they can be.
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:25
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

Thanks for reply. That's quite a habit you've got there. Hope you're all right. When I first visited my doctor he told me it was "highly unlikely" that my etizolam withdrawal was the reason for my upset stomach, adding that any anxiety would probably have been exacerbated by the gastroenteritis. I was pretty ill and worried so I told him everything.

He suggested tapering down at a rate I felt comfortable with, but not feeling too bad after a couple of days I just thought, fuck it, I'm going to ride it out. Also I feared that my etizolam supplier might be selling pellets infected with aids or something as my illness arrived at exactly the same time as a new batch. Plus, if it's bearable, I thought better not to take them at all than to drag it out.

What is really odd is the inconsistency. Sometimes I feel fine. In fact, most evenings. But then in the morning I get all messed up and my stomach goes crazy.

Saying that, on the whole, I am feeling a tiny bit better every day. Will this continue, or could my symptoms worsen all of a sudden? As long as I continue on this trajectory I am sure I can cope.

Also, will taking a small dose sort of 'reset' the withdrawals? Having gone this far should I just continue not taking?

Why didn't they warn me at school about the down sides of drugs?
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:27
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

I would say the majority of what you are experiencing is likely still the fallout from gastroenteritis, but it can indeed by exasperated by traditional benzo withdrawal.

However, i would say its unlikely to be a major factor, bearing in mind your usage has been modest, and Etizolam is shown to have a favourable physical addition profile against Benzodiazepines (Etizolam being a Thienodiazepine)

That said, the inherant risk of using research chemicals is they are not clinically tested and we do not know the long term effects. Its possible that Thienodiazepines have a greater effect on the gastrointestinal system upon cessation.

I would suggest personally that seeing as you have stopped them, i would stay stopped. Not worth playing about with unless you have crippling anxiety and a Doctor who won't prescribe benzos. Much safer things to use to aid sleep.

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Thanks for reply. That's quite a habit you've got there. Hope you're all right. When I first visited my doctor he told me it was "highly unlikely" that my etizolam withdrawal was the reason for my upset stomach
It is not "highly unlikely", benzo withdrawal does include gastrointestinal problems and as i've said, we do not know how this relates to Thienodiazepines. Your Doctor needs to go back to school.

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Also I feared that my etizolam supplier might be selling pellets infected with aids or something as my illness arrived at exactly the same time as a new batch
Thats a joke right? Just FYI the HIV virus's life expectancy outside of the body is measured in minutes. But seriously, theres paranoia and then theres paranoia....

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Also, will taking a small dose sort of 'reset' the withdrawals? Having gone this far should I just continue not taking?
No it won't "reset" the withdrawal, but as i've already said, yeah you've come this far, ride it out man.

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Why didn't they warn me at school about the down sides of drugs?
They did. You chose not to listen

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Rational and well stated advice regarding etizolam withdrawal.

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Old 07-09-2013, 13:32
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

I would advise to continue not taking, as at the moment you seem to be just about coping with the side effects and anything to minimize the possibility of relapse is always a good thing.

If they continue for a period of time you aren't comfortable with, or get worse ask your doctor if he can get you a referral to a GI specialist, so they can have a proper look at you, although you have been pretty thorough, you may have already done that.

Were you taking any other drugs during the time you were using etizolam?
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Old 07-09-2013, 14:30
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

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I would suggest personally that seeing as you have stopped them, i would stay stopped. Not worth playing about with unless you have crippling anxiety and a Doctor who won't prescribe benzos. Much safer things to use to aid sleep.

It is not "highly unlikely", benzo withdrawal does include gastrointestinal problems and as i've said, we do not know how this relates to Thienodiazepines. Your Doctor needs to go back to school.

Thats a joke right? Just FYI the HIV virus's life expectancy outside of the body is measured in minutes. But seriously, theres paranoia and then theres paranoia....
All right. I will stay off them. I've always had a predisposition for recreational drug use, just usually quite varied. A tiny sample of withdrawals (and I am sure it was relatively tame, so my heart goes out to heavy users) has scared me well off using benzos/ etizolam with any regularity. Combined with my stomach bug, it was easily the worst I have ever felt in my life and I absolutely must never feel like that again. At any cost.

To be far to my doc, when I visited him, I had only been off them for about 48 hours and had had the stomach issue for almost as long. So I think he was right - it may have made it worse, but I certainly had something wrong with me aside from any withdrawals, although he did say withdrawals would have made it worse - certainly the psychological, feeling "down", side of things.

Yes. That was a joke. I am aware my etizolam pellets are highly unlikely to contain aids. That was hyperbole. But it stands: these fucking pills turn up in a bag with a hazardous label on the front and explicitly warn you not to consume them. Without being too tin-foil hat, there COULD be all sorts of shit in them.

However, saying all that, would future use - and I'm talking 1mg a week, one evening - have adverse effects on the time between dosage? How long should I wait? I don't want to take anything until I am "back to normal" if that makes sense.

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I would advise to continue not taking, as at the moment you seem to be just about coping with the side effects and anything to minimize the possibility of relapse is always a good thing.

If they continue for a period of time you aren't comfortable with, or get worse ask your doctor if he can get you a referral to a GI specialist, so they can have a proper look at you, although you have been pretty thorough, you may have already done that.

Were you taking any other drugs during the time you were using etizolam?
All right, I'll stay on this course. Yeah, my stool/ blood tests came back fine, so there's nothing obviously terrible wrong with me. And, as I said, I am generally, on the whole, slowly getting better.

Yes, I was occasionally (once or twice a week) taking modafinil during the day, for superhuman brain usage (because it's awesome). As it keeps you awake, I'd always take etizolam before bed on those days. But it was relatively low dosage and, as I said, not that frequently.

All this nonsense has given me somewhat of a kick though. Feeling like a prisoner in your own body is awful - I think I'm going to ease up on all my drug usage. Might even do some exercise too, who knows.

Also, hang on, 3000mg a month? As in 100mg a day? As in 100, 1mg pills? Have I missed something? Isn't that an ASTONISHINGLY high dose?

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Old 07-09-2013, 14:51
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

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All this nonsense has given me somewhat of a kick though. Feeling like a prisoner in your own body is awful - I think I'm going to ease up on all my drug usage. Might even do some exercise too, who knows.

Also, hang on, 3000mg a month? As in 100mg a day? As in 100, 1mg pills? Have I missed something? Isn't that an ASTONISHINGLY high dose?
I was eating handfuls of 2mg pills each night while drinking alcohol for about 6 months and, yes, it is a pretty ridiculous dose. Sometimes my supply would run out before the end of each month and the withdrawals would be insomnia, rebound anxiety and generally feeling shit for about 2 weeks. but I have managed to taper down to 20mg Valium a day, should be clean in 6 weeks.

To put it into context, I found etizolam a a lot easier to kick than phenazepam or clonazepam.

It's why I would try and discourage you from restarting use. 1mg a day can turn on you pretty fast.
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

Can I ask why you were taking so much?

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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

It's been three weeks since I last took etizolam. I am still feeling waves of anxiety, which seem to be connected to tiredness and some food. Although it might be psychological, it's impossible to say.

If I were to take one before bed, say tonight, what would be the implications on possible withdrawals after?

And will it ease? It seems silly to go to the doctor and get some longer lasting benzo as I've been entirely off the etizolam for a good while now.
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Re: Question about etizolam/ benzo withdrawal

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Can I ask why you were taking so much?
I was addicted and didn't particularly care if I woke up the next morning. Mostly due to self hatred after lying to friends/family for 4 years about my drug abuse, amongst other things.

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It's been three weeks since I last took etizolam. I am still feeling waves of anxiety, which seem to be connected to tiredness and some food. Although it might be psychological, it's impossible to say.

If I were to take one before bed, say tonight, what would be the implications on possible withdrawals after?

And will it ease? It seems silly to go to the doctor and get some longer lasting benzo as I've been entirely off the etizolam for a good while now.
The implications may not be immediate withdrawal symptoms, but relying on etizolam to get a decent nights sleep won't lead anywhere good. Benzodiazepine withdrawals can last for a while, you seem to be feeling a lot better, so I would stay clean and rough it out, as harsh as it may feel.

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