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Old 27-07-2013, 19:31
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

@ The OP. Sorry if I started a conversation about BP by posing an unsupported premeice. I was not clear. My use of "if" was meant to ask a question, not assume your BP had been so high for so long.

However, thanks to others, we all now have better insight into BP, Detox and medications indicated in controlling or easing both in the recovery setting.

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I can't provide an opinion on the question because I haven't seen cholesterol reading, taken a manual BP reading, checked out other medications, or taken a full history from the OP - it's not my role scope on this forum, sorry. I'm mainly interested in the part where the OP states that BP is currently in normal range - no point dancing with the 'what ifs'.

I'm sure you understand.
Thank you (for the sake of the OP and our overall knowledge base) for all your valuable contributions to this thread.

Your answer to my direct question was totally professional. Of course, I understand.

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Old 28-07-2013, 05:43
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

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@ The OP. Sorry if I started a conversation about BP by posing an unsupported premeice. I was not clear. My use of "if" was meant to ask a question, not assume your BP had been so high for so long.
Understood...if someones BP was that high for 14 years that would be pretty f'd. Especially for me because I would have been 14.

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OK first of all I have been using third person as most other forums I am a member of does but since everyone is directing their messages to ME not HIM I see no reason to go through those pains and will be posting in the first person from now on unless someone tells me different. ..Well, it is the end of the 4th or 5th day....not sure as between the phenergan and valium I have been sleeping a great deal although i am leaning to the 4th. I had a harder day today than the previous days and I would hypothesize thats because for the first three days the built up methadone in my system was slowly exiting. I had a few times where upon waking up I had the extreme nausea and burning in my nose like i would be violently sneezing shortly. I immediately drank 8 oz of poppy tea, took a valium and a half phenergan and within an hour I was feeling much better. The clonidine is doing an awesome job of taking care of the RLS as well. Since i had stocked up on seeds my actual friend asked if he could take a pound and try to make some flake with 99% alcohol. It seems he was successful as he brought me back half what he made. I waited till the next time I was beginning to experience more harsh withdraws I put a a bit of ash in the bowl and on top of that i sprinkled a couple of match heads of the flake. I took three hits, and in a minute or two I felt the immediate relief that it takes the poppy seed tea an hour or so to bring on. Only smoked opium once when I was in my young teens and didnt feel a whole lot from it besides my body feeling heavy. This time I got the same effect but with a couple others. I seemed to sweat more than normal for a few minutes and had that same slight pressure behind the eyes (only way i can explain that feeling) that i seem to get when I smoke bud. It also produced a side effect that I have experienced at the hospital at times when I had gotten hurt and they gave me IV morphine and that was a rumbling in my stomach and a short period where I felt like I needed to eat something although this subsides pretty quickly. I definitely have noticed that making tea with one lb will give your a moderately potent tea that is a slight dark yellow while another lb from the same batch will be super strong and be dark yellow almost to the point it could be called light brown. Trying equal amounts of each before mixing with anything else proved that the darker tea was definitely stronger. The way I deal with this is to make 4 1lb batches and then mix them in a gallon jug and then mix in the OJ concentrate into that. I believe making them into one batch eliminates the unknown potency issue. I wish i had the equipment to actually test the ammount of substances in each batch but alas i do not.

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Old 29-07-2013, 15:56
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

That's an interesting take on this poppy seed remedy... but organically it comes from opium.... I have a drug screen every time I take a new contract 11-13 weeks, so for me, I don't eat poppy seed muffins because they've been linked to positive drug screenings. I hope that works for you, I would really like to hear more, and I think if I ever get my brain back from this fatigue I will look up some of the info. on this.
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Old 29-07-2013, 16:02
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

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That's an interesting take on this poppy seed remedy... but organically it comes from opium.... I have a drug screen every time I take a new contract 11-13 weeks, so for me, I don't eat poppy seed muffins because they've been linked to positive drug screenings. I hope that works for you, I would really like to hear more, and I think if I ever get my brain back from this fatigue I will look up some of the info. on this.
Good luck to you!

Yeah....thank god I am a contractor that does not have to take UAs but if for some big contract I did there is always the Urinator ) and its pretty cheep too. Used it many times when I was working as sysadmin for a big company a couple years ago and it worked everytime. It was always at the correct temp and I never failed.
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Old 29-07-2013, 16:05
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

Look love using poppy pod tea to relieve the WDs from methadone won't help you cuz in the end you're just gonna become addicted to pod tea. And before you tell me that it could never happen just tell me why replacing one opiate for another is helping you? You really need to be speaking to a doctor and asking if there isn't something else they can give you. It's never the best way to self medicate when coming off of any opiate cuz you always use more than you really need. Lets face it, if you can take something that takes away the major WDs or use a little bit more of that substance and feel emotionally better? And like people that use heroin to reduce heroin WDs, you never know just how potent those pods are so you never quite know if one day you're taking more than you were a week before? Please please rethink this idea love.

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Old 29-07-2013, 17:10
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Look love using poppy pod tea to relieve the WDs from methadone won't help you cuz in the end you're just gonna become addicted to pod tea. And before you tell me that it could never happen just tell me why replacing one opiate for another is helping you? You really need to be speaking to a doctor and asking if there isn't something else they can give you. It's never the best way to self medicate when coming off of any opiate cuz you always use more than you really need. Lets face it, if you can take something that takes away the major WDs or use a little bit more of that substance and feel emotionally better? And like people that use heroin to reduce heroin WDs, you never know just how potent those pods are so you never quite know if one day you're taking more than you were a week before? Please please rethink this idea love.

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Number 1 its poppy seed tea which is much weaker than pod tea IME. Second, I really really appreciate your concern for me, I really do but I just dont see any difference in doing what my docs
(at least the ones that didnt act like an ass and hang up as soon as i told them I was in WDs from methadone - about six out of 60 I called would even talk to me) and they all want me to do the same things which is get on suboxone to then taper or taper off the methadone. When i started this process 6 days ago I was drinking 2-3 16oz glasses of tea a day. Now, on day six I am down to 2 8oz glasses a day. I Have tried the methadone taper at least 15 times and it just doesnt work for me. As soon as I hit 20mg lower than my original dose I am out on the street trying to score. BTW at 8oz 2x a day it is not completely relieving my WDs but it helps enough so that I can get out of bed. Couple that with the fact that for some reason when the tea starts to wear off and the WDs start getting bad I just dont get those terrible cravings making me feel like I would do just about anything to get another methadone dose. I started using opiates when I was 13 due to the fact they were readily available for free in my grandmothers bathroom. When I was 18 I almost got into some trouble trying to score and after that scare I went straight to the methadone clinic not because i was so strung out I was stealing or selling my stuff or anything like that. My philosophy has always been if i have none, cant find any or dont have the money for it I just deal with the WDs. If anyone had warned me what methadone would do to me physically and mentally I would have never taken that first dose. I believe that most things are good in moderation and if one can moderate whatever one does I think one will be ok. The reason I tried this is because my step brother who was much more strung out than me did it and he tapered down the tea over a six month period and now he has been off any kind of drug except marijuana for a year and a half. Also so you know I have BP and heart rate monitors, thermometor, narcan, and a host of other things. I check my HR and BP several times a day and document them as well as how much of each substance I use. I wanted to do it in a journal on this site but alas I am not able as of yet so I stick with writing it down. Also after 22 or so when I got my degree and my first 100+k job I cleaned up and only used what i needed not to withdraw and it has become a habit. Not once in the last six years have I nodded out or any of those things you see people who are just trying to get high do. If I was able to hold down a high paid IT contractor position that does works for state government and large corporations and have been nothing but praised I dont think I was doing to bad. I just couldnt take the clinic anymore. I had to drive over an hour to the clinic and then over another hour back and my truck which gets 11mpg was killing me. I was spending 15 dollars a dose at the clinic and 20 dollars in gas in my truck everyday....thats close to 1000 a month I believe. Once again I thank you for you concern but I do believe I can do this. Not only that but I would much rather WD from the poppy tea than from methadone. I have gone off just about every opiate out there and IME methadone was by far the worst.

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Old 29-07-2013, 17:27
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

Well said MS - I wrote a long post in response to this thread but ultimately think it came across a little too harsh so have decided not to post it.

However, I will say this : To the OP, you must know that you are kidding yourself if you think this is a steady foundation on which to build your new methadone free life. You must also know that you cannot stop taking opiates after 14 years of daily use and experience only very mild WD's, if you are then that is because you are taking something to counteract said WD's, meaning you are not getting clean and are continuing to feed your addiction.

This "flake" - apparently 99% alcohol and poppy pods/seeds are its core ingredients - smoking this "flake" as well as taking poppy tea, valium, marijuana and other substances each day in lieu of methadone is not the way to go about this, don't knit pick and say the "flake" was a one off etc etc, it makes no matter - you can justify what you're doing to yourself any way you chose, but you must at least be aware that that is what you are doing.

Why are you against a tapering regime? What's a few more months after 14 years? It'll give you the best chance of managing this, currently you are setting yourself up for other addictions and issues needlessly and I can't see why. Even an unusually aggressive and fast taper would be many times better than your current "technique" - you must know this. You could drop 10 or 20 ml every 3rd day if you so chose, get yourself down to 10 or 20 quick quick quick and then pause there and ride out the WD's from such an abrupt drop whilst you've still got something to take each day, get stable at that sort of level and then do a more usual speed reduction as you approach zero.

As things stand you've simply switched from a legal and prescribed substance to a whole batch of il/legal ones and convinced yourself that this is somehow a good thing and constitutes getting clean. It is not and it does not. I'm really suprised at the DF members who have bought into this and offered their congratulations when they should have been pointing out how flawed the whole thing is.

As MS says, you should, if you genuinely want to quit, go and speak to your Dr, or a substance abuse specialist, explain what you've been doing all these years and that you want to get clean, ask for their advice, agree a plan that is do-able/feasible and actually stick to it come what may.

I didn't want this to come across harshly but you've convinced yourself and don't see the folly in your actions, I'd be a bastard if I didn't say what I've said. You've believed your own lies and need to be reminded of the truth..... Good luck getting clean (when you decide to actually give it a go!)

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Old 29-07-2013, 19:30
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Well said MS - I wrote a long post in response to this thread but ultimately think it came across a little too harsh so have decided not to post it.

However, I will say this : To the OP, you must know that you are kidding yourself if you think this is a steady foundation on which to build your new methadone free life. You must also know that you cannot stop taking opiates after 14 years of daily use and experience only very mild WD's, if you are then that is because you are taking something to counteract said WD's, meaning you are not getting clean and are continuing to feed your addiction.

This "flake" - apparently 99% alcohol and poppy pods/seeds are its core ingredients - smoking this "flake" as well as taking poppy tea, valium, marijuana and other substances each day in lieu of methadone is not the way to go about this, don't knit pick and say the "flake" was a one off etc etc, it makes no matter - you can justify what you're doing to yourself any way you chose, but you must at least be aware that that is what you are doing.

Why are you against a tapering regime? What's a few more months after 14 years? It'll give you the best chance of managing this, currently you are setting yourself up for other addictions and issues needlessly and I can't see why. Even an unusually aggressive and fast taper would be many times better than your current "technique" - you must know this. You could drop 10 or 20 ml every 3rd day if you so chose, get yourself down to 10 or 20 quick quick quick and then pause there and ride out the WD's from such an abrupt drop whilst you've still got something to take each day, get stable at that sort of level and then do a more usual speed reduction as you approach zero.

As things stand you've simply switched from a legal and prescribed substance to a whole batch of il/legal ones and convinced yourself that this is somehow a good thing and constitutes getting clean. It is not and it does not. I'm really suprised at the DF members who have bought into this and offered their congratulations when they should have been pointing out how flawed the whole thing is.

As MS says, you should, if you genuinely want to quit, go and speak to your Dr, or a substance abuse specialist, explain what you've been doing all these years and that you want to get clean, ask for their advice, agree a plan that is do-able/feasible and actually stick to it come what may.

I didn't want this to come across harshly but you've convinced yourself and don't see the folly in your actions, I'd be a bastard if I didn't say what I've said. You've believed your own lies and need to be reminded of the truth..... Good luck getting clean (when you decide to actually give it a go!)
Ok, so heres the deal. I have kids, a job where i am on call 24/7 I cannot just stop and I cannot afford 1000 a week to keep going to the clininc and detoxing which just leads me to wanting to go get some OC or Heroin. There are major responsibilities I must attend to that I do not have time to go into complete WDs. Also I dont know where i ever said I was going to be completely off opiates. I got into a horrible motorcycle accident and have legitimate pain. I HAVE TALKED TO DRS and all they want me to do is either stay on the methadone or switch to subutex and taper...most of them say I will never be off methadone and nothing is impossible, if you are of a mind to do it you can taper off with PST. As I said I have a friend who used the same method and is over a year clean and I mean CLEAN. Also I did not make the opium flake...when I said my actual friend I meant my actual friend. He is not a computer guy and asked me to ask why it was still so moist. I am sorry but I will probably never live a life with no illicit substances entering my body. Whether it be mary jane or something else and I wouldnt want to and believe me I am not the only person that thinks that way. This life is a F'd place and sometimes it takes more than just grinning and bearing it. SO in conclusion if it doesnt work it doesnt but I have only been taking enough to get rid of the MAJOR wd's. My crap is still watery my legs still hurt and spazm even with the clonidine and I still cant keep anything down without the phenergan but I can sleep at night and I know the PST is helping. No matter what you say the only dif between that and a methadone detox is that I can medicate myself by how my body feels not by how it works of the majority of a test group. I know 1 person this has worked for the 3 others who are using the same method as me with awesome results....Have you ever known anyone who tried this and failed giving credence to your statement? Also I monitor BP and HR around the clock, confide in my best friends dad who is a doctor daily and since I have gone from 32oz a day down to 16 and in one more day I will go down to 8 I would say its working pretty well. Maybe it wouldnt work for the majority but IT IS for me. As I have said I write everything down and my friends dad goes over it telling me what to adjust and what not. Believe me when he feels its not working he will make sure I find some other option.

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Ok, so heres the deal. I have kids, a job where i am on call 24/7 I cannot just stop and I cannot afford 1000 a week to keep going to the clininc and detoxing which just leads me to wanting to go get some OC or Heroin. There are major responsibilities I must attend to that I do not have time to go into complete WDs. Also I dont know where i ever said I was going to be completely off opiates. I got into a horrible motorcycle accident and have legitimate pain. I HAVE TALKED TO DRS and all they want me to do is either stay on the methadone or switch to subutex and taper...most of them say I will never be off methadone and nothing is impossible, if you are of a mind to do it you can taper off with PST. As I said I have a friend who used the same method and is over a year clean and I mean CLEAN. Also I did not make the opium flake...when I said my actual friend I meant my actual friend. He is not a computer guy and asked me to ask why it was still so moist. I am sorry but I will probably never live a life with no illicit substances entering my body. Whether it be mary jane or something else and I wouldnt want to and believe me I am not the only person that thinks that way. This life is a F'd place and sometimes it takes more than just grinning and bearing it. SO in conclusion if it doesnt work it doesnt but I have only been taking enough to get rid of the MAJOR wd's. My crap is still watery my legs still hurt and spazm even with the clonidine and I still cant keep anything down without the phenergan but I can sleep at night and I know the PST is helping. No matter what you say the only dif between that and a methadone detox is that I can medicate myself by how my body feels not by how it works of the majority of a test group. I know 1 person this has worked for the 3 others who are using the same method as me with awesome results....Have you ever known anyone who tried this and failed giving credence to your statement? Also I monitor BP and HR around the clock, confide in my best friends dad who is a doctor daily and since I have gone from 32oz a day down to 16 and in one more day I will go down to 8 I would say its working pretty well. Maybe it wouldnt work for the majority but IT IS for me. As I have said I write everything down and my friends dad goes over it telling me what to adjust and what not. Believe me when he feels its not working he will make sure I find some other option.
Also as I have been in pain clinics and methadone clinics I have obviously talked to a pain and addicting specialist. All of those "specialists" keep saying the same thing - stay on the methadone they always add the you could try the subutex but here is the thing...I dont want to go to pain doctors or clinics that want me to stay a slave to one of the worsts drugs created by man. I WILL NOT live my life on methadone. My dream is to be opiate free but because of my pain that may never happen. If not I have no problem with drinking 8oz of poppy seed tea twice a day if it takes care of my pain, makes it so I can go on vacation without getting PERMISSION from a doctor or clinic...I just wont have my life controlled anymore. I am going to try to put up with the pain and complete the detox and give it everything in me....thats all i can say....maybe methadone works for some people but it has added 40 lbs to me, rotted all my teeth and taken away all emotion and feeling. I WILL NOT live like that anymore so whatever it is I have to do to change that I will. As a matter of fact yesterday was the first time that I actually felt love and laughter in a real sense in years....thats worth it to me

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Old 29-07-2013, 19:42
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Wow Shadowpirate, sounds like you're having a bad time love, I'm sorry for that.

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I have to say this isn't about what others think or do, its all about you. And no, you don't have to just grin and bear it and life can be good after opiates. But I'm digressing. I'm not saying you should be clean forever, and if you choose to use something, even for the rest of your life, then that's your choice to make. No problem there either. But hell love, you need to get off of all self medicated drugs to begin with to give you a baseline to work from. And how long do you think you can be on call 24/7, always just into WD or into it enough for it to cause diarrhea, legs in spasm, unable to keep anything down and unable to sleep without phenergan? You know the phenergan won't work forever? Please believe that I'm not trying to make your situation appear worse than it is, if that were possible? I'm just trying to get you to see that its not possible to continue this way for too long without something giving. What do you think will happen then? Isn't it possible to take some time off, people do get legitimately sick don't they? And you say that you suffer with pain...then you may need the drugs that you're denying yourself now? Wouldn't it be better to get it checked out?

Lastly I just wanna add that everything I'm saying to you comes from a good place, a caring place.

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Why are you against a tapering regime?
I believe I had said...but maybe not...I have tried the tapering regime and all it does is make me have cravings unlike anything I have ever had for anything before. I would figure you would realize that in 14 years I would have tried every trick in the book. And let me ask you this, whats the difference between using methadone taper than using PST to taper as in the begininng thats what I said I was doing...the taper is 32oz a day for 5 days then 16 a day for 5 days then 8 a day for 5 days and so on until I take no more. It may not work but I will give it a try and btw i am on my 6th day and am doing fine on the 16 down from 32 the first 4 days. I have been in clinics since I was 18 and I dont know a single person that has lasted more than 6 months on a methadone taper without moving on to another substance....I am sure there are people out there that have (although few as we all know the percentage of people that get off and stay off methadone drops to the high 90s after a year). All those people that followed the Drs instructions (the doctor that doesnt even look up from his pad while talking to you) within a year were right back on the clinic. You think the clinic actually wants you off the stuff. It used to be government run years ago when I started but not anymore. Its all about money. So I just cant take that anymore. Maybe you guys who reamed me (however much you tried to dull it) should have asked some questions about injuries or things i had tried before being so negative and especially calling me a liar. Whether you can me a liar to you or a liar to myself you are calling me a liar and at no point have I lied on this forum or to myself about this ordeal. That being said I appreciate the concern and have no harsh feelings for what you guys said...everyone is entitled to their own opinion and as one of my fav sayings goes, I may not like what you say but will fight to the death for you to say it -paraphrased

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Wow Shadowpirate, sounds like you're having a bad time love, I'm sorry for that.

I have to say this isn't about what others think or do, its all about you. And no, you don't have to just grin and bear it and life can be good after opiates. But I'm digressing. I'm not saying you should be clean forever, and if you choose to use something, even for the rest of your life, then that's your choice to make. No problem there either. But hell love, you need to get off of all self medicated drugs to begin with to give you a baseline to work from. And how long do you think you can be on call 24/7, always just into WD or into it enough for it to cause diarrhea, legs in spasm, unable to keep anything down and unable to sleep without phenergan? You know the phenergan won't work forever? Please believe that I'm not trying to make your situation appear worse than it is, if that were possible? I'm just trying to get you to see that its not possible to continue this way for too long without something giving. What do you think will happen then? Isn't it possible to take some time off, people do get legitimately sick don't they? And you say that you suffer with pain...then you may need the drugs that you're denying yourself now? Wouldn't it be better to get it checked out?

Lastly I just wanna add that everything I'm saying to you comes from a good place, a caring place.

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I thank you for your kind words...after getting the shaft from just about everyone I have talked to about this especially counselors who have no real concept of opiate addiction at least the ones at the clinics I have been to which are few and far between in my area I get edgy sometimes. I do realize that I wont be able to take phenergan for the rest of my life while i can the valium because its prescribed to me monthly and will be for a long time I imagine. My ultimate plan is go ahead and try to work my way down on the PST and the phenergan will only be used for another week or so. If I cannot get down to nothing then I will have to take the lowest amount possible until my contract ends in less than a year and I will have some down time to come off the PST which is mostly morphine and out of experience I would much rather come of however little morphine in 8oz of PST then try to come off any amount of methadone. Until then I do not have the 994.33 a month that it costs for me to get meds from the clinic or the 874.89 a month it costs to go to the pain clinic here (theres only 2 in my town and the other is even more expensive including visits and meds) so I give this a try, constantly communicate with a very good doc, take my vitals every hour or so while away and I have a monitor machine from when I was taking care of my dad that among lots of other things constantly takes BP while you sleep which i have been considering trying. Please fill free to add more and check in frequently

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Listen love, I don't find that people are as happy to take in what you say when its said with anger or malice, that's why I always always make sure what I say is coming from a caring place (even if I have to be upfront with someone) or else I stay silent. You know I could almost feel the despair and frustration coming from your post, and that's something I've felt myself in the past and it wasn't nice. So I do understand how you're feeling and that's a start.

I think the most important thing for you now is to get through the time you have left before you can take some time out, as comfortably as possible, and if that means using benzo's, phenergan or even a small amount of morphine, then that's what you have to do. Cuz it does seem like work is rather important to you at the moment, or perhaps getting through the remaining time you have without anyone else noticing that you're sick? Do what you have to love, but just bear in mind that you might want to begin formulating a plan to work to when you can take time off, and now would be a good time to do it. Try to anticipate your needs then, and start getting what you can together that will help. Its great that your doctor is sympathetic and that you find them approachable, that important. Could they not give you a referral to perhaps a psychologist that works on a sliding scale of payment, I think it might be of some use to have an expert to talk to, cuz a lot of feelings resurface when you do quit totally.

Anyway darlin' if I can ever help in any way please feel free to contact me and I'll help if I can.

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Old 29-07-2013, 22:09
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Listen love, I don't find that people are as happy to take in what you say when its said with anger or malice, that's why I always always make sure what I say is coming from a caring place (even if I have to be upfront with someone) or else I stay silent. You know I could almost feel the despair and frustration coming from your post, and that's something I've felt myself in the past and it wasn't nice. So I do understand how you're feeling and that's a start.

I think the most important thing for you now is to get through the time you have left before you can take some time out, as comfortably as possible, and if that means using benzo's, phenergan or even a small amount of morphine, then that's what you have to do. Cuz it does seem like work is rather important to you at the moment, or perhaps getting through the remaining time you have without anyone else noticing that you're sick? Do what you have to love, but just bear in mind that you might want to begin formulating a plan to work to when you can take time off, and now would be a good time to do it. Try to anticipate your needs then, and start getting what you can together that will help. Its great that your doctor is sympathetic and that you find them approachable, that important. Could they not give you a referral to perhaps a psychologist that works on a sliding scale of payment, I think it might be of some use to have an expert to talk to, cuz a lot of feelings resurface when you do quit totally.

Anyway darlin' if I can ever help in any way please feel free to contact me and I'll help if I can.

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Thanks, I really appreciate that....
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Where there is a will there is a way. Stepping down from methadone onto tea is the lesser of evils in my opinion. I think you've set yourself up for quite an easy short term bupe taper if you'll consider it as a plan B.
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

Sh4dowpir4te; every time I've detoxed off heroin my BP falls thru the floor. If I'm inpatient I am the only one allowed to have water with me in the mandated group meetings. My asthma flares too.
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Hello again ShadowPirate - the post in which you mention approx. 15 previous attempts to taper from methadone appeared whilst I was writing my initial response, I've only just seen it now. This obviously makes a difference.

So a taper off the 'done is unlikely to work this time, agreed. However with the pain you mention, your previous long term daily use, the previous bouts of addiction to other opiates along with the constant borderline severe WD symptoms you are currently experiencing it sounds just as unlikely that success is to be found at the bottom of a glass of PST. How long do you really believe PST will hold you? It doesn't sound like it is even now, going from the WD symptoms you mention and your reliance on phenergan to get to sleep - would you class your experience up until this point as successful?

You surely cannot expect to continue functioning in your professional life, of which you stress the import, whilst suffering in the way you are? I agree that somethings cannot be over come simply by grinning and bearing them, but isn't this what you are doing with your WD symptoms? Just putting up with them whilst dosing yourself with PST and barbs? There is simply no way that - long term - PST is going to cut it in terms of pain management.

I said earlier that you had 'believed your own lies' and I'm sorry that this inflamed your sensibilities, that was not my intent - however this is an internet forum in 2013 and not Sicily in the 1900's - there was no attempt to impugn your honour and it was a poor turn of phrase on my part. Words sometimes fall short of the intent they are imbibed with and the idea(s) they are meant to express - my statement was an attempt to verbally give you a quick shake by your shoulders whilst shouting "snap out of it man", as they failed in this I offer you my apologies.

You rhetorically ask what difference exists between your using PST (et al) and a methadone taper, I think there are quite a few really. If you're prescribing Dr is as bad as you say (not looking up from his pad, not personalising your treatment and not offering you choices regarding managing your pain and your need for opiates) then is there not another you can start to see? I know you said there are 2 in your local area but would it not be worth travelling a little further afield to get the help you need and deserve?

A controlled methadone taper could take you down to a significantly lower daily dose than you were on without making you suffer in the way you are currently, once you get to the stage at which previously you have not been able to maintain the regime then you could do a few days of WD's and get onto subutex and do a quick, 12 day say, taper from that and you'd only have to go through what you are suffering now for a few days while the methadone gets out of your system. Once you'd done your sub taper you'd be back at square one - in a good way - and able to find the best solution to your pain issues without the spectre of opiate addiction/WD's hanging over you like some poppy shaped sword of Damocles....

Anyway, I gotta go - I too wish you only the best, take care and be safe.
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Hello again ShadowPirate - the post in which you mention approx. 15 previous attempts to taper from methadone appeared whilst I was writing my initial response, I've only just seen it now. This obviously makes a difference.

So a taper off the 'done is unlikely to work this time, agreed. However with the pain you mention, your previous long term daily use, the previous bouts of addiction to other opiates along with the constant borderline severe WD symptoms you are currently experiencing it sounds just as unlikely that success is to be found at the bottom of a glass of PST. How long do you really believe PST will hold you? It doesn't sound like it is even now, going from the WD symptoms you mention and your reliance on phenergan to get to sleep - would you class your experience up until this point as successful?

You surely cannot expect to continue functioning in your professional life, of which you stress the import, whilst suffering in the way you are? I agree that somethings cannot be over come simply by grinning and bearing them, but isn't this what you are doing with your WD symptoms? Just putting up with them whilst dosing yourself with PST and barbs? There is simply no way that - long term - PST is going to cut it in terms of pain management.

I said earlier that you had 'believed your own lies' and I'm sorry that this inflamed your sensibilities, that was not my intent - however this is an internet forum in 2013 and not Sicily in the 1900's - there was no attempt to impugn your honour and it was a poor turn of phrase on my part. Words sometimes fall short of the intent they are imbibed with and the idea(s) they are meant to express - my statement was an attempt to verbally give you a quick shake by your shoulders whilst shouting "snap out of it man", as they failed in this I offer you my apologies.

You rhetorically ask what difference exists between your using PST (et al) and a methadone taper, I think there are quite a few really. If you're prescribing Dr is as bad as you say (not looking up from his pad, not personalising your treatment and not offering you choices regarding managing your pain and your need for opiates) then is there not another you can start to see? I know you said there are 2 in your local area but would it not be worth travelling a little further afield to get the help you need and deserve?

A controlled methadone taper could take you down to a significantly lower daily dose than you were on without making you suffer in the way you are currently, once you get to the stage at which previously you have not been able to maintain the regime then you could do a few days of WD's and get onto subutex and do a quick, 12 day say, taper from that and you'd only have to go through what you are suffering now for a few days while the methadone gets out of your system. Once you'd done your sub taper you'd be back at square one - in a good way - and able to find the best solution to your pain issues without the spectre of opiate addiction/WD's hanging over you like some poppy shaped sword of Damocles....

Anyway, I gotta go - I too wish you only the best, take care and be safe.
As I said before I have tried the methadone taper 1mg at the time up to 10mg at the time and it hasnt worked not only that but it costs me over 35 dollars a day to go to the clinic between 15 for dose and 20 for gas as my truck gets 11mpg and the clinic is over an hour away. The seeds I have are homegrown (although not by me) and quality and if I wanted to I could just continue to use them because if i drink 32 oz of tea it floors me. I am purposely drinking just enough to get the MAJOR withdraws and cravings off of me. I dont use the phenergan for sleep I use it for nausea but because its an antihistamine it happens to put me to sleep. Also the poppy seed tea is holding me very well and the most important thing to me that the PST is doing is eliminating the insane cravings I usually have when I WD or taper. I would say this is working awesome and I know its hard to get the gist of things typing on a forum online but I have tapered my PST down from 32oz to 16oz to now 8 and am mostly comfortable. Methadone IME and IMO is the worst thing you could put a pill addict on (as i was never an IV user althought used heroin many times orally) and I will do anything I have to to get off it. As I also said once my contract is up I will be looking at other options but as of now I cannot but I hope that I will be able to taper all the way down before that point. I think if I went from 32oz to 8oz in 7 days I can probably keep going lower and lower just at not as fast a rate.

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SO I am down to 1/2 the pst I was taking for the last few days and down to a quarter phenergan and 2 5mg valium instead of 2 or 3 10mg. I am getting my senses back that the methadone has robbed me of. I used to play guitar, read everyday, go to the movies 2 or 3 times a week before methadone and once i got on it it slowly robbed me of the enjoyment I used to get out of things. The last couple years I have only gone to a handfull of movies and even when I watch my favorite ones I just get no feeling at all, I might as well be watching a blank screen but now all that is changing. I would rather die than live a life on methadone and I mean that with all my heart. It works for some people but not me oh and I caught a look at some statistics while in my councellors office one day that said that almost 80 percent of clients were ones who came everyday because they were still using on the street just as i was. For most of them it was just a way to score. 10 years of the clinic is enough for me, the drug tests, the calls to check up, the people acting like they are just humoring you when you are pouring your heart out to them and thats if they even are really paying attention, the councellors who have hardly any schooling or real experience with drug use abuse and WD. I just cant do it anymore so if you dont like the way I am doing things you dont have to but dont make an ahole post assuming this or that before you ask. Thanks to the people who disagree but are able to converse in a civil manner I welcome your posts. I know that i may never be normal and once i get my tolerance down to a smaller level my pain doctor may take me back on and put me back on morphine...or maybe this will completely work and I wont have to take any opiates anymore I dont know but I do know one thing when I do it I will do it MY way and no one elses cause I have tried everyone elses way and it never works. Maybe mine wont either but that will be on me.

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I just want to add, I was on 150ml/mg of methadone and reduced over the following year to 25-30ml/mg (I can't exactly remember which dose I was on) then I had my last dose of methadone of Friday morning. I then waited untik Monday to start on Subutex. My doctor increased my dose until I was comfortable and then kept me at that dose for a few days. Then he reduced my dose in a fast scheduled taper. It wasn't painless but it certainly wasn't painful, if that makes sense? I managed to cope with the sub WD and attend classes at uni with no problem.

Now I'm not saying that you should do this, I'm just giving you some of my own life experience to give you perhaps another option to consider. If you can't do this now, when your contract ends and you can take the time out you might be able to do this? Since finishing that detox I've managed to stay clean for the last six years with very little trouble.

I'll be thinking of you and sending you some positive vibes love.

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Old 30-07-2013, 20:48
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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

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I just want to add, I was on 150ml/mg of methadone and reduced over the following year to 25-30ml/mg (I can't exactly remember which dose I was on) then I had my last dose of methadone of Friday morning. I then waited untik Monday to start on Subutex. My doctor increased my dose until I was comfortable and then kept me at that dose for a few days. Then he reduced my dose in a fast scheduled taper. It wasn't painless but it certainly wasn't painful, if that makes sense? I managed to cope with the sub WD and attend classes at uni with no problem.

Now I'm not saying that you should do this, I'm just giving you some of my own life experience to give you perhaps another option to consider. If you can't do this now, when your contract ends and you can take the time out you might be able to do this? Since finishing that detox I've managed to stay clean for the last six years with very little trouble.

I'll be thinking of you and sending you some positive vibes love.

Sparkles.
Where I am located the only places the do suboxone or subutex are the same places that do the methadone and so there are the daily visits and while the methdone is 15 a dose the subutex is 20 a dose makeing it even worse. I did however try that and both docs said that I have been on to high of a methadone dose for to long and am not a candidate for subutex. I am telling you where I live there is almost no (good) help for opiate addicts...its always go to the clinic and they will take care of you.

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Another thing I can say besides the fact that my emotions start coming back is that my intense craving for sweets is GONE. The done gave me such a craving for sweets and I hated that so I am very glad that I dont feel like eating 2 or 3 snickers every day now

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I found that when the feelings came back it was like being on a roller coaster ride, one minute so low, the next I was soaring higher and higher. The next I could watch the birth of an lamb on TV and find myself sobbing at the joy of new life. Gradually these emotions leveled out and I found them so much easier to deal with. I believe that was my addiction trying to get back in through the back door. Cuz you know I always used on feelings, especially intense mood extremes. I know I'm giving my addiction a bit of a personality here but giving it human traits made it a little easier to get a grip on it.

Anyway love I'm really pleased that you craving for sweet things has subsided as most dental work (such as having cavities filled) can be extremely expensive. Watch the fizzy drinks cuz believe me they have a bloody high sugar content. I was so surprised when I looked for myself. Obviously not all, but a lot of them.

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I have read, re-read and read this thread again - I can't see the "a-hole post" that you refer to. Divergent views and critique are part and parcel of existence. Each situation will be viewed in a light unique to the individual facing it - this goes for your chosen method for getting off methadone, as well as for my thoughts regarding said method.

Despite having re-read it I can't find any mention of the original cause of being prescribed methadone. You mention pain and a motor-cycle accident, but also addiction to a variety of opiates in the past, was the 'done 'scripted for an existing addiction or for pain management?

You seem to feel the need to defend the right of each person to chose to take a substance - (paraphrasing here) when you say "I'll prob always use something, the worlds all F'd up and lots of people feel the same" - I've never asserted that moderate, non harmful (either to self or others), non intrusive substance use should be condemned - I participate in this site because I believe that there should be a large volume of accurate, sincere, non biased and up to date information available, allowing people to make an educated decision for themselves. For you to imply otherwise is simply untrue.

You say that you are keeping a "friends dad" who is a Doctor abreast of your activities and that he "tells you what to adjust and what not" - I'm amazed that someone who's bound by the Hypocrattic oath finds it acceptable to (passively) encourage your decision to abruptly cease a prescribed treatment and replace it with the intake of home-brewed opiate containing "tea" of an unknown strength - knowing the weight of each cup/"dose" is not the same as knowing what you're actually taking each time.

Wanting to live a life free of opiates - or at least free of the chains of addiction - is commendable and something to be encouraged in anyone who longs for it. I can't fathom what it is you are aiming for, to be off the methadone but free to use other opiates when you fancy it? To use PST for the rest of your life to manage pain? To use PST to get over the 'done withdrawals so you can get a new 'script for morphine? There is so much going on in this thread it's a struggle to keep clear what is being strived for.

I do indeed know many people who have attempted to switch from one opiate to another as a way to get over the WD's they would suffer if they simply stopped any/all intake. Every single one of them has failed. I include myself in that "many". I've seen people go from H to codeine, take codeine for a while and then go back to the H once they had ridden out the worst of the WD's. I've seen people go from methadone to sparing use of H to ease their sufferings and end up addicted to H and after a while getting another script for 'done/sub to get off the H again. Then of course there are the hundreds of thousands of people who have switched from H/DOC to sub/methadone and ended up hooked on their 'substitute' substance for years on end.

Opposing this are the successful tapers I've borne witness to, with both sub and methadone, I've seen people decrease their dose over time, in concert with their Dr/key worker, down it goes and their resolve and belief increases exponentially, when its time for the final reduction to zero - everything is in place for this transition and it's only a small step to being truly clean. This method was not plucked out of thin air and put to use as a "one size fits all" workhorse for the masses. It is the cumulative result of decades of trial and error. Nothing is guaranteed and each person will have a unique experience but the basic tenants of this way are universally accepted, requiring only minor adjustments to fit the participant, and this universality is because it's proven in its effectiveness.

You're free to do as you wish, of course you are. I cannot pretend to agree with your method and would always encourage people who wish to get clean to utilise the plethora of available help, help proven to work over many a year and many a trial. Being so quick to imply a lack of experience/knowledge/understanding on my part is a knee jerk reaction that just doesn't ring true. I'm a firm believer in being able to "just say know" and I don't doubt for a moment that, even if this works for you, the way you are attempting to reach your goal is not one that could be recommended in good conscience to an other.

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I have read, re-read and read this thread again - I can't see the "a-hole post" that you refer to. Divergent views and critique are part and parcel of existence. Each situation will be viewed in a light unique to the individual facing it - this goes for your chosen method for getting off methadone, as well as for my thoughts regarding said method.

Despite having re-read it I can't find any mention of the original cause of being prescribed methadone. You mention pain and a motor-cycle accident, but also addiction to a variety of opiates in the past, was the 'done 'scripted for an existing addiction or for pain management?

You seem to feel the need to defend the right of each person to chose to take a substance - (paraphrasing here) when you say "I'll prob always use something, the worlds all F'd up and lots of people feel the same" - I've never asserted that moderate, non harmful (either to self or others), non intrusive substance use should be condemned - I participate in this site because I believe that there should be a large volume of accurate, sincere, non biased and up to date information available, allowing people to make an educated decision for themselves. For you to imply otherwise is simply untrue.

You say that you are keeping a "friends dad" who is a Doctor abreast of your activities and that he "tells you what to adjust and what not" - I'm amazed that someone who's bound by the Hypocrattic oath finds it acceptable to (passively) encourage your decision to abruptly cease a prescribed treatment and replace it with the intake of home-brewed opiate containing "tea" of an unknown strength - knowing the weight of each cup/"dose" is not the same as knowing what you're actually taking each time.

Wanting to live a life free of opiates - or at least free of the chains of addiction - is commendable and something to be encouraged in anyone who longs for it. I can't fathom what it is you are aiming for, to be off the methadone but free to use other opiates when you fancy it? To use PST for the rest of your life to manage pain? To use PST to get over the 'done withdrawals so you can get a new 'script for morphine? There is so much going on in this thread it's a struggle to keep clear what is being strived for.

I do indeed know many people who have attempted to switch from one opiate to another as a way to get over the WD's they would suffer if they simply stopped any/all intake. Every single one of them has failed. I include myself in that "many". I've seen people go from H to codeine, take codeine for a while and then go back to the H once they had ridden out the worst of the WD's. I've seen people go from methadone to sparing use of H to ease their sufferings and end up addicted to H and after a while getting another script for 'done/sub to get off the H again. Then of course there are the hundreds of thousands of people who have switched from H/DOC to sub/methadone and ended up hooked on their 'substitute' substance for years on end.

Opposing this are the successful tapers I've borne witness to, with both sub and methadone, I've seen people decrease their dose over time, in concert with their Dr/key worker, down it goes and their resolve and belief increases exponentially, when its time for the final reduction to zero - everything is in place for this transition and it's only a small step to being truly clean. This method was not plucked out of thin air and put to use as a "one size fits all" workhorse for the masses. It is the cumulative result of decades of trial and error. Nothing is guaranteed and each person will have a unique experience but the basic tenants of this way are universally accepted, requiring only minor adjustments to fit the participant, and this universality is because it's proven in its effectiveness.

You're free to do as you wish, of course you are. I cannot pretend to agree with your method and would always encourage people who wish to get clean to utilise the plethora of available help, help proven to work over many a year and many a trial. Being so quick to imply a lack of experience/knowledge/understanding on my part is a knee jerk reaction that just doesn't ring true. I'm a firm believer in being able to "just say know" and I don't doubt for a moment that, even if this works for you, the way you are attempting to reach your goal is not one that could be recommended in good conscience to an other.

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Where have I posted any "angry hasty personal barbs" ?
HAHA... and the ahole thing thats because no one made an ahole post. I was merely saying please dont make one before you ask certain questions....I have been nothing but civil on this forum. And if you want my history here it is. I was in a Motorcycle/dirtbike accident when I was 13 and broke several bones so they put me on oxycodone for a couple months. Well i LOVED the way it made me feel and as I got older I used more and more. Later when I got clean the pain came back and the doc I went to put me on 20mg of done which gradually increased over the next three years. Well he got popped for overprescribing and the only option was the street or the clinic. OK so now you know. My friends dad who is a doc is not a sub or done fan and is encouraging me to do what I have to do to get off the done he calls everyday for my temp, appetite, cramp degree, bp and things of that nature I dont have insurance and I just had to put out my whole 16000 savings to pay for my dads funeral I dont have money to go see a psychiatrist (which i have tried) who wants a couple hundred a visit two times a month who is 2 hours away and just ends up wanting to put me on subutex....like I said I never said I would never be on pain medications as I might well have to the rest of my life but it wont be methadone. Thats is the entire point and I believe I have said this throughout my posts as i have here although not as succinctly. Look man, I want off the done thats the whole point and about the "i dont think you said why you were on them in the first place"....just remember I said if you want to know something just ask. If you have been on methadone for over 10 years and you have kicked please give me the formula and if not please please please cut me some slack and btw if you find a personal barb in these posts please show me and I will humbly apologize. I just started this 7 days ago and maybe the people who said I am setting myself up for failure are right, I dont know but I dont want to be a slave to methadone anymore. Also in answer to the methadone to pst to morphine thing....I dont want to be on any opiates but if the pain is so severe I will let my doc put me on morphine but I will never touch methadone again if I can help it. I know alot of people kicking say that and most go back and maybe I will cause I admit I am weak at times but can be very strong at others and its going to play out however its going to play out. All I ask is if you have facts why I shouldnt be using PST for a 2 week taper please supply them to me and if you want to check in and see how I am doing please do....and if i do something very stupid, then catch me on it but take in to account I am in WDs and sometimes a stern suggestion comes off as a bitch slap. Also if you read this thread again and again you know 2 things - 1: I dont have the 1000 a month it would cost to taper and if you dont pay you dont dose that just how it is around here and the other is i have tried tapering from 1mil at the time to 5 to 10 if it didnt work the first handful of times what would make me take out a loan or borrow money just to try it one more time. Its wierd that even when the pst is leaving my system and i feel the major WDs coming on that strong craving that I had on methadone is not there...I dont know why...like i said maybe it wont work but i will try ANYTHING to be off the done.

sh4dowpir4te added 1434 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

Getting closer to the end....dropped down another ounce of pst and didnt really feel that much difference....btw for the people that dont know it takes ALOT of poppy seeds to make good pst. Alot of people take a pound and filter and drink the whole thing....while I drink on a lb for 3 days so I def am not getting high from it. I just feel ive been to 4 pain doctors and 6 methadone clinics and it has been a shitty life doing all that. Im just ready to be done. Also in no way shape or form am I trying to say that methadone and done/sub tapers dont work for people they just havent worked for me.

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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

I think this thread could become sidetracked if the personal comments continue. This thread is about opiate WD not about barbed remarks or someone calling another person an asshole. Now if this continues a moderator will close this thread, and that would be incredibly unfair to anyone who comes along afterwards and has something relevant to add to this specific discussion. Let's keep it positive and friendly...yeah?

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I think this thread could become sidetracked if the personal comments continue. This thread is about opiate WD not about barbed remarks or someone calling another person an asshole. Now if this continues a moderator will close this thread, and that would be incredibly unfair to anyone who comes along afterwards and has something relevant to add to this specific discussion. Let's keep it positive and friendly...yeah?

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I agree....it seems like with some posts keep getting more personal on a level that I dont like I am not usually te type to bicker but with these wds i admit that i can come off a little brash as well to some things but...What I wanted from this was to chronicle my experience with this and maybe its just me but i keep feeling like I have to defend myself on this or that....all I ask is if you have something encouraging to say please post frequently and on the other hand if you want to say something that may be construed as negative I dont even see the point in wasting the time. On the other hand if you have experience with tapering with pst and want to tell me that i am doing something wrong I wont take it as an "ahole" post or remark. I understand I put my situation out there and there will be people who are not going to agree and its their right to post it just, as i said before, remember that I am in WDs and try to keep things civil

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As an update today sucked. I had to go to my grandmothers funeral and i was sick and pale and everyone noticed. When I got home I drank 2ozs of pst took a Valium and half a phenergan and went to sleep. Just woke back up and don't really feel bad at all. Its really wierd how sometimes the tea seems to last such a long time and others it doesn't. I really want to stay off this methadone and yes its kinda hard to even imagine not being on some kind of opiate because for half my life I have. This pst things was just about the last thing I have not tried besides ibogaine and the implant they put in your head (which I will not be doing) I honestly believe the hardest part is going to be after the WDs are gone and paws sets in and I get annoyed or have anxiety or one of my old friends comes up with a pill or something like that....I dont know whats going to happen in the future but sparkles that hint of desperation you said you noticed is actually a load of desperation. I feel like if this doesnt work I just dont know what I am going to do.....I work with huge companies and corporations and if any of them found out I would most likely be f'd as i have experienced this when working with another contracting company years ago. I just want to be free of this.

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Don't be too hard on yourself love, it's been a tough day, it was a tough day for most of the people at the funeral that hadn't ever used an opiate let alone were in full blown WD. The reason the PST worked better on some days is that some seeds are more potent than others. That's why it's not the best thing to use when detoxing. Some days you may be struggling sand could do with a potent dose and on days when you don't feel too bad you could manage with quite a weak dose, right. But you never know from one day to the next what you're getting, do you? Anyway love you got some sleep that's what's important. I've always believed that sleep is incredibly healing and refreshing.

You sound concerned about how you're gonna deal with PAWS when it gets here? Well then now would be a good time to do a little research into the various coping tools and strategies that are available. I'll put the link for the PAWS thread at the bottom of my post ok? I just wanna say that just because you've been on an opiate for half of your life is absolutely NO reason to continue to be "on something, an opiate." In fact I could just as easily argue that because you've been on an opiate of some kind for half of your life, makes it an extremely good time to do something else now, and I don't mean switch your DOC (drug of choice) either. I mean, you've endured so much to get to the point you're at now, why throw it all away. In fact why do it in the first place if you intend to go back to an opiate of some kind?

Listen sweetheart, just cut yourself some slack (non using slack) today, it's been difficult for you so you deserve to relax.

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I apologise love, I forgot to post the PAWS link, but now I've remembered I'll post it just below this sentence. Again apologies.

Link to PAWS thread.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73599

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Re: Help with Opiate withdrawal expecially Methadone

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Don't be too hard on yourself love, it's been a tough day, it was a tough day for most of the people at the funeral that hadn't ever used an opiate let alone were in full blown WD. The reason the PST worked better on some days is that some seeds are more potent than others. That's why it's not the best thing to use when detoxing. Some days you may be struggling sand could do with a potent dose and on days when you don't feel too bad you could manage with quite a weak dose, right. But you never know from one day to the next what you're getting, do you? Anyway love you got some sleep that's what's important. I've always believed that sleep is incredibly healing and refreshing.

You sound concerned about how you're gonna deal with PAWS when it gets here? Well then now would be a good time to do a little research into the various coping tools and strategies that are available. I'll put the link for the PAWS thread at the bottom of my post ok? I just wanna say that just because you've been on an opiate for half of your life is absolutely NO reason to continue to be "on something, an opiate." In fact I could just as easily argue that because you've been on an opiate of some kind for half of your life, makes it an extremely good time to do something else now, and I don't mean switch your DOC (drug of choice) either. I mean, you've endured so much to get to the point you're at now, why throw it all away. In fact why do it in the first place if you intend to go back to an opiate of some kind?

Listen sweetheart, just cut yourself some slack (non using slack) today, it's been difficult for you so you deserve to relax.

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I apologise love, I forgot to post the PAWS link, but now I've remembered I'll post it just below this sentence. Again apologies.

Link to PAWS thread.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73599
I am starting to agree that the PST may not be to best thing to use for detoxing...mostly due to the not knowing what kind of dose you will be getting and having to order ALOT of seeds gets some places asking questions. It has lowered my tolerance a whole lot as before it would take 7 or 8 30mg morphine to even touch me and now a single 30 will hold me for a good 12 hours. I think it can be a good tool to drop your tolerance and then stop or switch but to try a long term (2-3 month) taper I just dont think its going to work. I have been doing well with the process and am sure I would be able to continue if not for the questions coming from the place I procure the seeds from. These are just my observations over the last few days. I just wish I could speak with one person who made it off the methadone and stayed off. The WDs are so horrible but i AM SO TIRED of being tied to a clinic and spending a house payment for my meds every month.....

sh4dowpir4te added 223 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

Ok so I finally spoke with another doctor and have an appointment tomorrow morning. It has become my experience that the PST can be awesome to lower your tolerance when coming off methadone but its very hard to taper due to the fact you dont know how much is in it. Where I am I can get 2 bottles of Cheritussin AC OTC (guaifenesin and codeine) every month (which I did) which will make me able to make it through the night and maybe tomorrow this doc will be able to help me. Somehow I luckily got to speak with the doc over the phone and although he does not usually deal with opiate cases he seemed very invested in what I had to say and wanted to see me immediately. (the last time I got an appointment with a psych it took two months) this time it only took 24 hours. Hopefully he will be able to do something for me. I am so tired of the methadone life and even with the withdraws I am so happy to have my emotions back...just wish they wouldnt teeter totter from one end of the spectrum to the other. Please if anyone out there has been able to beat methadone message me or leave a post. I would love to feel like there is someone else out there who made it cause I havent met anyone else who has yet....

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