I have used this chemical on a half dozen or more occasions over the past year or two. Each "occasion" involves from 1 to around 8 doses. On it presently. Figured I would relate what I can since there is still very minimal information on this beast.
I have combined it with kratom
most if not every single time I have done it. I have noticed no synergism. They keep to themselves quite well, and I see little if any crossover in effects. Taking my usual highest/max/deep dose of both, even simultaneously or 5 minutes apart, show no worrying physical or mental symptoms. Absolutely nothing unexpected in the combo.
I've taken 3-MeO-PCP
~41 hours AFTER taking 4-MeO-PCP, and noted no synergism or interaction. I have taken 4-MeO-PCP ~23.5 hours AFTER taking 3-MeO-PCP, and noted no synergism or interaction. The time I have given was the difference between the time I actually dosed, not when the effects wore off. Example, I dosed whatever amount of 4-MeO-PCP, and under 41 hours later, I took a dose of 3-MeO-PCP. I am not saying 41 hours after the 3-MeO-PCP wore off, I'm saying 41 hours after I ingested the last dose. Just making sure I am clear.
I've noticed no surprising interactions with clonazepam
/diazepam, or etizolam
; all taken at one point or another during the come down (definitely within 24 hours of last dosing, so with how long the half-life
of 3-MeO-PCP seems to be I would say none of these benzodiazepines (and etizolam, as that is not a benzodiazepine
) seem to interact in any significant manner. I would say it is likely I have taken all of them within an hour of the last dose of 3-MeO-PCP, but I don't feel like digging through all my log books to ensure this fact. I know I have taken them all within 24 hours of last dosing.
Boy. Writing this post makes me want to scan or start recording drugs
taken/dosages/timestamps on a computer. Would be extremely simple to write a program to parse the data and map out the interactions. I record every single drug
I've taken (well the system was standardized and fully committed to in August of 2012, before that it is difficult/inconsistent to track down a specific date/time. Before that I only logged/timestamped the occasional/notable experiences). Having the numbers in a computer would also let me search out every single experience I have with a certain drug, instead of flipping through notebook pages. A table of contents or something of the like would be helpful. Anyhow, I do recommend having a "little black book" that you log all drugs you take in. For some reason or other, I find it fun. FOR SCIENCE! Or something.
Let's see. What can I say about its' effects. Hmm. It is an interesting creature. It most certainly gives the impression of being a benign and safe chemical, even in fairly high doses; thankfully we have communities like Bluelight and Drugs-Forum to inform us that looks can be deceiving. The most I have taken in a single dose is 18 mg. However, on a couple occasions, I have dosed up to around 30 mg within 2 hours and noticed no overwhelming or unpredictable effects. I have never felt so manic that I would worry I could do something dangerous. I have found methoxetamine
, on rare occasion (definitely not always, strange how it can be inconsistent), to produce significantly more "manic" type effects. On a couple occasions I have noted that 3-MeO-PCP will make some of my more outlandish, daring ideas seem far more easily attainable. I can definitely see a person thinking they are the "Messiah" or some other "heavenly instrument sent to do God's bidding" whilst under the effects of the drug. Can definitely make one dream/plan bigger than they would sober.
What else. The dissociating effects, for me, are minimal. I feel it, but it is not "in your face" quite like 4-MeO-PCP or MXE
, where the dissociative "buzz" can manifest in multiple senses, being heard as sound, felt as touch/pressure, even seen as a general shakiness or vibrance in ones visual field. With 3-MeO-PCP it is definitely more subtle. I can still, on higher doses of 3-MeO-PCP, feel the buzz as pressure, sound, and sense its' presence in vision. It is, however, far far more subtle than any of the previously listed NMDA antagonists.
Hmm. I find the 3-MeO-PCP the worst of all dissociatives
at inducing the immersive feeling in movies/television/videos. It can still add a bit to the experience, making one feel a bit more involved, but no where near the immersion felt when one of the other NMDA antagonists hits the sweet spot in this regard. On most other NMDA antagonists I have felt so immersed that I found myself noticing (for one example) my heart rate jumping when characters are calmly realizing and discussing imminent danger. I have not gotten this effect, at least not to any significant degree, with 3-MeO-PCP. Screen staring story imbibing can be fun and effective, but not anything particularly special. I find tasks, personal projects and chores and the like, to be more engaging and performed with ease while on 3-MeO-PCP.
All NMDA antagonists have a tendency to butcher my speech, making me struggle to pronounce words that I would otherwise vocalize clearly. I have found 3-MeO-PCP to be significantly different than any other dissociative I have tried in this regard. Even after a long night of multiple redoses of 3-MeO-PCP, I can speak to co-workers/bosses/relatives and not fear I am acting or enunciating strangely. Even while in the throes of a fairly high dosage I am comfortable and precise in my speech and mannerisms. This is most certainly NOT THE CASE with ANY OTHER NMDA antagonist I have tried. Err, excepting 3-MeO-PCE, which I have only sampled once, so I am not comfortable relating anything with certainty regarding this chemical. Though the one time I did try the 3-MeO-PCE analog, I did not find any hindrances to the cadence of my vocalizations; quite similar in this regard to 3-MeO-PCP.
Tidbits. I've only tried insufflation
as an ROA. It produces a lingering burn and an inclination to dry cough, often repeatedly, for a minute or two post-insufflation. Chasing with a drop or two of water can provide some minimal relief. I haven't ever noticed a "drip" into the throat like large insufflations of powder often do. Sometimes if I insufflate over 10 mg at once my nose will feel drippy for a minute or two. Like I have the "sniffles". The following day, after sleep, one can feel that 3-MeO-PCP is still in effect, but cannot point to any specific changes it causes in behavior or mood. At least I can't really notice anything. It is just sort of "there". Perhaps making one feel a step further removed than they usually are, but in no way inhibiting empathy or the like. Lingering dissociation, I suppose. I have never found it an impedance to social interaction or daily tasks. If anything it makes the more mundane, repetitive situations more interesting. Though not in any particular way. Just a slightly altered view/consciousness performing the same task. It doesn't seem to affect coordination at this point, but can affect coordination, albeit only slightly, in the first 6 or so hours following ingestion. I would mind if my taxi driver or hairdresser (if I still went to those) were on it, but probably not mind if the guy making me a sandwich or fixing my television was on it. I find no OEVs, minimal CEVs (mostly a sort of strobing effect with eyes closed that seems to go hand in hand with the multi-sensory buzz). It is not moreish or addictive in a traditional sense, but is easy enough to rationalize a top-up / re-dose. Unlike most NMDA antagonists, I find 3-MeO-PCP does not particularly affect my desire to eat. Which is quite nice, seeing as a 4-MeO-PCP dose can leave eating an unexpectedly laborious process for 24-36+ hours after the last dose. DXM the same for probably 6-12 hours.
Speaking of sources, I have tried two separate vendors. Both, however, are European vendors known to charge more but strive for purity more than most other vendors. I tried the very first batch that became available, I think. If I recall correctly it required a statement of intent and that I be a former customer and some other such restrictions, so it wasn't exactly a public release, but it wasn't totally private. I have noticed no difference in quality from that 50 mg sample batch (got 2 of the 50 mg samples, so 100mg total) and the 3-MeO-PCP I bought from a European site (that does not list products on their site until you have a login and requires one to be invited by an existing customer) in May of 2012. As far as I can tell, both chemicals were the same potency and produced the same effects. I have gotten far more of a variance out of methoxetamine and ketamine (the 2 different isomers in variously concentrated mixes) over the years. DXM too, though too a lesser degree. While on this topic, is it possible for methoxetamine to be an isomer? I have heard a couple unsubstantiated claims that this is possible, but my chemistry and pharmacological knowledge is limited to what I have gleaned from sites like this and some casual book reading. I would have expected to hear more talk of this if it was possible, so I expect those I have heard mention it were misinformed. Anyone care to clarify?
The stimulation 3-MeO-PCP produces is quite nice. It can be a useful stimulation. Useful for doing tasks that involve repetitive, learned, mindless motions. Even useful for tasks that involve a more delicate, nuanced, and thoughtful approach. It can sometimes be a tad cumbersome, manifesting in tapping fingers or toes or splayed or stretching muscles or gentle, repeated rocking of limbs. But not nearly as bad as most traditional stimulants
in this regard. It doesn't seem to inhibit cognition significantly, leaving me able to read or plan complicated procedures while under its' effects. This is very different than most NMDA antagonists, which often leave me quite... stupid whilst under its intoxication.
I suppose that is about it. I guess I read a report or two saying that cigarettes can cause the effects to kick back in, but I haven't noticed this. Stay safe, human brothers. I suppose this is good a place as any to express general interest in 3-MeO-PCPy and 3-MeO-PCPr. If you are a vendor, take note or something. I've heard at least a dozen people express interest.