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Old 17-12-2010, 18:54
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doing ketamine not much drug experience?

Is it a good idea for swim to try ketamine for the first time if he doesnt have much experience with drugs? swim has smoked cannabis for the past 4 months maybe 10 times in total though so not much in all honesty...

swim should be doing ket at new years at a house party for the first time with some friends who havent done it before. is only doing a small bump maybe a couple, but it is pretty pure.

is it a good idea or should swim wait a while so he has more drug experience? or is there no time like the present? lol
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Old 17-12-2010, 18:58
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

From a technical point of view ketamine is a fairly safe drug to ingest so SWIY shouldn't worry too much. A small amount will simply make you feel slightly like you're drunk. The 'trippier' effects come at slightly higher amounts.

As with anything, a small amount first to make sure SWIY doesn't have any bad reactions would be a wise idea. If SWIY is cautious then he shouldn't have any problems at all.
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Old 17-12-2010, 19:13
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

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From a technical point of view ketamine is a fairly safe drug to ingest so SWIY shouldn't worry too much. A small amount will simply make you feel slightly like you're drunk. The 'trippier' effects come at slightly higher amounts.

As with anything, a small amount first to make sure SWIY doesn't have any bad reactions would be a wise idea. If SWIY is cautious then he shouldn't have any problems at all.
how much mg would you reccomend swim does? aroaf said a line the size of a green pea!?
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Old 17-12-2010, 20:38
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

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how much mg would you reccomend swim does? aroaf said a line the size of a green pea!?
Well since a pea is circular it wont make much of a 'line' haha. SWIM can't really give you much of an indication on how much SWIY should take as this is different for everyone but erowid says 30-75mg is the 'common' dosage which seems about right to SWIM. This is would be a few cm long and about .3 - .5 cm wide by SWIM's reckoning although he would suggest getting scales to be more accurate.
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Old 23-12-2010, 07:42
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

This is what Erowid.com offers on nasal dosing of Ketamine.

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Insufflated / Nasal Ketamine Dosages
by body weight and approx total
Threshold .1 mg / lb 10 - 15 mg
Light .15 mg / lb 15 - 30 mg
Common .3 mg / lb 30 - 75 mg
Strong .5 - .75 mg / lb 60 - 125 mg
The K Hole 1 mg / lb 100 - 250 mg
Onset : 5 - 15 minutes
Duration : 45 - 60 minutes
Normal After Effects : 1 - 3 hours



Powder for nasal use are produced by gentle boiling off of solution. Nasal doses are highly unlinear next to oral and IM doses. The effects are quite different at low doses. A low dose nasally will be short and much different from a comparable oral dose.

One method described with nasal use is to insufflate (snort) 25 mg in each nostril, wait 5 minutes and repeat until desired dosage is reached.

Ketamine is often used in 'bumps' or small amounts of the powder insufflated from either a specialized micro-spoon, a specialized 'bullet', or eyeballed small piles. Bumps from bullets are commonly 30-50 mg, although their size varies by size of spoon, make of bullet, and individual. Users should be extremely careful when using a new method of sizing bumps.
Here is a list of effects from Erowid.com

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POSITIVE
  • Pleasant mental and/or body high
  • Increase in energy
  • Euphoria
  • Sense of calm and serenity
  • Meaningful spiritual experiences
  • Enhanced sense of connection with the world (beings or objects)
NEUTRAL
(may be experienced as positive, negative or neutral depending on circumstance)
  • Distortion or loss of sensory perceptions (common)
  • Open- and closed-eye visuals (common)
  • Dissociation of mind from body
  • Analgesia, numbness
  • Ataxia (loss of motor coordination)
  • Significant change in perception of time
  • Increase in heart rate
  • Slurred speech
  • Confusion, disorientation
  • Out-of-body experience
  • Shifts in perception of reality
  • "K-hole"; intense mind-body dissociation, out-of-body experiences, highly realistic visuals

NEGATIVE
(negative side effects increase with higher doses and frequent use)
  • Risk of psychological dependency
  • Nasal discomfort upon insufflation
  • Discomfort, pain or numbness at injection site (with IM)
  • Severe confusion, disorganised thinking
  • Paranoia and egocentrism (with regular use)
  • Nausea, vomiting
  • Frightening or untimely distortion or loss of sensory perception
  • Susceptibility to accidents (from uncoordination and change in perception of body and time)
  • Severe dissociation, depersonalisation
  • Loss of consciousness
  • Depression of heart rate and respiration (risk increases with increased dose or when combined with depressants)
Hope some of this information will be helpful, and my rabbit recommends that reading over as much information as possible Be reasonable and have a plan in case somebody doesn't react well if it is everyone's first time. Possibly a safety net, like a friend who is either there and not under the influence or somebody who knows what is being consumed and are willing to take house calls if necessary.

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Old 24-04-2011, 09:31
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

Did your friend try ketamine at New Years? If so a report would be great as first time user reports are always useful, especially from people with little drug experience.

If I had seen this thread I would have suggested to try it before the party since it would have been best to gauge how you respond to it first. Dissociatives and parties are a match made in heaven really. They are great when combined with uppers or psychedelics but too much by themselves especially with alcohol and/or weed they will not make you all that talkative. However small bumps would actually be fine if no alcohol was involved since it would not spacker you too much to not be able to converse or socialise. 50mg bumps is the way to go. I wouldn't recommend anyone do over 50mg for there first dose no matter there size or age or drug experience (unless experienced in other dissociatives like DXM or PCP).

If you accidentally did too much and k holed the first time it can be so terrifying that it will put people off for life. First time I holed which was the second time of taking it, I was terrified. I actually said I would never take drugs again whilst I was on it. But then when it wore off I realised how awesome it was and did some more. But I've seen plenty of people in very sorry states after taking too much the first time, as well as people experienced with it taking too much and turning into slobbering retards, not that I am one to talk since I've been there myself.
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Old 24-04-2011, 09:48
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

in my rabbit's opinion, the best way to get started with K without getting too surprised by the effects or eventually ending up in the infamous k-hole, is to snort very small amounts at a time - the ingestion route is not prefered by the rabbit as the onset might be slightly longer and one may have the bad idea to redose before anything has really been metabolised yet. The rabbit, although experienced with k does not do it often anymore and usually starts with a tiny bump (the size of the tip of a 3,5" mini-jack connector is about that size adn represents a pretty strong start for the rabbit already) followed by a few others within the first hour or two to get his standard 'k baseline'. From there on, everything goes, but one has to be aware that with K as with other dissociatives, the line between 'fun' and 'not-fun -anymore' is very thin - a k-hole is something that only a very little portion of users find really fun, for the others it's just gruesome, especially the first time - so the rabbit advises to start really small when one is unexperienced, as a bump too big can cause discmfort immediately.

It is also preferred by the rabbit to prepare the doses beforehand, as vision is often slightly impaired (to say the least) whilst on K and one can easily mistake a moutain with a tiny bump, the consequences of which are...well..en experience for itself.
Also please take a moment to read about interactions between K, meds and other drugs/alcohol.
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

SWIY should be sweet with ket just be sure to not do too much too quickly as ego death can be pretty scary especially if it's unexpected
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

1mg k hole?!?!?! I tend to do at least .25 g lines
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

I wouldn't do Ketamine at a party. Unless you know all these people really well, they may fuck with you, steal your wallet/cash/whatever, rape you... Ketamine basically makes you comatose if you do too much (and you may accidentally enough up doing too much if you don't have a milligram scale).
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Re: doing ketamine not much drug experience?

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1mg k hole?!?!?! I tend to do at least .25 g lines
1mg/lbs, so .25g is the approximate K-hole dose for somebody whose 250 lbs. Obviously tolerance and physical composition play a role, Your Mileage May Vary

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