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Old 24-03-2012, 19:20
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Kratom Tincture

Swim just got some Indo Bali white vein.

He wants to make a concentrated tincture.

Are the alkloyds in kratom alcohol soluble?
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Old 24-03-2012, 21:50
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Re: Kratom Tincture

Yes, but I'm not sure if ethanol extracts all of the alkaloids or not to make it a 'full spectrum' extract. I've heard that doing an ethanol extract, followed by a water (with lemon or lime) extract, and combining the two extracts work pretty good.
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Old 24-03-2012, 23:17
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Re: Kratom Tincture

This topic is discussed in a few threads here, some people feel ethanol extracts are lacking or more sedating, others see little or no difference between ethanol extracts and water extracts. I am of the latter opinion.

Kratom tinctures, or just a kratom infused booze, are easy to make and very effective. I enjoy to calibrate it at a ratio of 1 oz 40% ethanol to 3g kratom.

I have never tried ellisd's recomendation for combining a water extract with an ethanol one, but I have noticed that when taking a simple ethanol extract it helps a lot if you mix it with something acidic. A shot of kratom infused vodka mixed with grapefruit juice, or the juice of a lemon, feels great. It tastes pretty damn awful, but I just tell myself it's medicine (which after all it is) and wince.

Drinking the extract on it's own is a lackluster experience. It's as if it needs the acid to activate it, I don't know if this is something the acid does to the tincture itself or if it somehow effects the stomach's absorbtion but it certainly has a very positive effect.

Combining the two extracts is a good idea. It would be much harder to evaporate it down into a concentrated tincture but it's worth trying out.

If you go the infused booze route adding some sugar syrup to the elixir will help it quite a bit. A sugared up kratom vodka mixed with grapefruit or orange juice isn't too bad, you can kind of develope a taste for it and come to enjoy it. It reminds me of a Campari and orange juice, albeit somewhat nastier.
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Re: Kratom Tincture

Very cool. Time to get the bathtub chemistry set out!
I found this guide for making kratom tincture. It looks like it quickly makes a strong batch.

Material List

1. 250 Grams of Kratom Finely Ground or Powdered

2. 60 oz. (1.77L) Bottle of Vodka 40% Alcohol by Volume

3. Pure Lemon or Lime Juice

4. 2 Large Pots

5. Electric Stove or Hot Plate

6. Freezer

7. Coffee Filters

8. Metal Strainer

9. Container to Hold Filtered Product (With a lid and opaque so no light can penetrate the mixture)

Step 1.

1.1. Start with labeling both of your Pots as Pot #1 and Pot #2

1.2. Pour 75% (187.5 Grams) of your 250 Grams of Kratom into Pot #1

1.3. Pour the Remaining 25% (62.5 Grams) of your Kratom into Pot# 2

1.4. For Every 50 Grams of Kratom in Pot #2 add and stir in 435 ml of Vodka

Step 2.

2.1 Add 2.3 L of Water to the 187.5 Grams of Kratom in Pot #1
2.2 Bring Pot #1 to a soft boil until half of the water added has evaporated (Stir Frequently)
2.3 Prepare your Metal Strainer by lining it with a coffee filter
2.4 Pour your Kratom mixture from Pot #1 through the strainer into the opaque holding containter.

Step 3.

3.1 Put the drained Kratom from Pot #1 back in the pot.

3.2 Add one part pure lemon/lime juice to two parts water until you have a mixture of 2.5 liters per 187.5g of Kratom.
3.3 Bring to a boil. Once again drain liquid into the holding container.



Step 4.

4.1 Add the strained Kratom powder from Pot #1 into Pot #2

4.2 Add 440ml of Vodka and 250ml of Water per 50 grams of Kratom that you added to Pot #2 from Pot #1 and mix thoroughly.
4.3 Allow mixture to sit for 1 hour stirring once at the 30 minute mark.
4.4 When the mixture has finished soaking stir thoroughly once more, and set the stove or hot plate to 185F (Between Low-Medium on most stoves)
4.5 Evaporate off 50% of the liquid while stirring regularily
4.6 Add new coffee filters to your strainer, and strain into your holding container

Step 5.

5.1 Put the strained Kratom powder into a pot, and add 1 Tbsp. of Water for 250 grams of Kratom, and put in the freezer.
5.2 Allow to freeze for 4 hours

Step 6.

6.1 Make a 2.5 L Mixture of 25% Lemon/Lime Juice, and 75% Hot Water
6.2 Take the Pot out of the freezer, and soak the Kratom Mixture of Water and Citrus Juice for 1 Hour.
6.3 Make sure nothing is sticking to the bottom by stirring the mixture, and boil off 50% of the liquid.
6.4 Strain into the holding container
6.5 Discard the Kratom Powder

Step 7.

7.1 Take all of your strained liquid, and place the liquid in a clean pot.
7.2 Boil off the alcohol content at 185F (Between Low-Medium on most stoves)
7.3 Once the liquid stops evaporating off for a few minutes you will need to increase the heat to a medium-high setting, and continue your evaporation process on a slow boil.
7.4 Stir Frequently and continue boiling until your reduce your liquid anywhere within 200ml to 25ml per 250 grams of Kratom depending on how concentrated you wish your tincture to be. As your solution thickens make sure to reduce your heat and continue stirring accordingly.



Final Preparations

Purchase dark amber dropper bottles for your final solution. Add 3 parts of your kratom extract, and 1 part vodka. Always shake well before use. 1 dropper is the standard, but depending on effect required, or if you are an experienced user you may need 2 droppers for dosage. Always start small, and increment up.
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Old 08-04-2012, 19:56
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Re: Kratom Tincture

Anyone ever use an oil extraction on Kratom? Like making green butter, only with Kratom?

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