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Old 08-10-2011, 05:00
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Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Mr. Hamster wants to start out by stating there are no negative vibes and hats off to LeJunk, because he has helped to educate all the critters here to help protect themselves from some of the nasty things a few dishonest ferrets like to do to gentle hamsters. While it is true what LeJunk says about the acetone wash, that it will never make a product worse, and will only improve it is more-or-less true. Now, the acetone was has some benefits, but a lot of shortcomings as well. Another motivation in putting this post together was because the A/B thread and the acetone was threads are very long, hard to read through, and sometimes contradict each other.

Now a long time ago in another place, the hamster would routinely clean his hamster treats to get the best possible treats he could get, with the least amount of effort and using only the supplies he could get his hands on since no one where he lived knew what "Epsom Salts" or magnesium sulphate was. Not only that, he had no idea how to get acetone where he was.

WORD OF CAUTION: This will not work for cocaine base (crack), but only with cocaine HCl - the salt, what one insufflates rather than smokes. It will help make a better starting product for making a base for other purposes such as smoking (a very nasty habit and bad for the lungs).

He did discover he could get his hands on 96% ethanol. Now that last 4% contained water because it is almost impossible to get rid of all the water in alcohol. But it really didn't matter, because he didn't do a "wash" to rinse away impurities, he created a solution, filtered out the insolubles, and recrystallized his tasty treats by letting the ethanol to evaporate along with the tiny bit of water. Not only that, ethanol evaporates at room temperature, non-toxic so the fumes will not harm a critter. With a bit of additional heat, the hamster could make the solution evaporate even faster.

Some might even say, why bother with alcohol at all and just use water? Well, this could be done and would eliminate a good many things, but it would also dissolve a lot of undesirable items as well. Besides, ethanol or pure grain alcohol, is fairly easy to come by. Even very high proof vodka could be used in a bind, and the hamster has even done this, but the results were not as good. Others might say, why only ethanol? Well, no good reason, other than the hamster had readily available 96% ethanol and ethanol is also non-toxic, so no harmful dangerous chemicals around if accidentally spilled or taken internally. Ethanol (EtOH) is preferred, but methanol (MeOH) and isopropyl (IPA) will work just as well.

Cocaine is soluble 1g/ml water. That's highly soluble. In alcohol, it's 1g into 3.2ml ethanol, also highly soluble. It's probably more soluble than most things a nasty ferret might want to add to an unsuspecting hamster's treats. So, most all of a critter's treats will dissolve in alcohol or the little bit of water in the alcohol. There might be a few nasty items which will be taken up by the alcohol, but this is minimal, given the highly soluble nature of cocaine in ethanol and water. However most of them are not nearly as soluble. Since the whole point is to get a solution a critter can evaporate the solvent from, there's really no need to be completely anhydrous. Though, the higher the water percentage, the more impurities are prone to also be dissolved.

Many critters seem to have difficulty with "The Acetone Wash". Laying their paws on the proper acetone can be troublesome for many. Then there the whole anhydrous thing, must be free of water, no additional additives like alcohol. Here's a quote from the Ecstasy Forum regarding the acetone wash, and the conclusion is that it's pretty much useless. There are many things which will never be eliminated by the acetone wash and one must use many different solvents and procedures which are difficult to master and could end up losing a critter's treats.

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BTW an acetone wash (or even an acid base extraction for that matter) is pretty useless as far as MDMA pills go... practically all of the cuts are virtually indistinguishable from MDMA they are all water soluble, acetone insoluble salts and water insoluble, acetone soluble oils in base...

moreover, cellulose, food coloring, magnesium strearate, lactose and the rest of the tablet fillers are also acetone insoluble, so basically one would accomplish nothing with an acetone wash...
Not only that, but manitol, baking soda (believes this will go away in acetone), and a whole host of the things which are not soluble in acetone, including what the critter is attempting to purify will remain in filter paper after after acetone has been was performed. The hamster could get into the technicalities of why cocaine HCl is insoluble in acetone and soluble in other things like alcohol and water, it has to do with the polar properties of the particular solvent but it is a bit more complicated than just polar and non-polar. There's polar poritic, and polar aporitic solvents, both polar, but have different solubility characteristics.

Then there's the whole issue of acetone being toxic disposing of it properly. Drying the MgSO4 is cumbersome, and the whole process is labor intensive.

There's been some discussion about this in some other forums, but pretty much all the hamsters, chinchillas, lab rats and bees agree there are much better ways of purification than just washing with acetone. One is to do a full A/B (acid base) extraction, then a recrystallization, and finally an acetone wash to eliminate traces of acids left behind by the A/B process. This is also a many step process, is somewhat difficult to master, acquire all the materials for, and take the time to do it right in order to not lose any treats during this complicated and many step process is difficult.

Also, the hamster discovered a few things which have traditionally been done in recrystallization which could be done better. For instance, using a Teflon pan (make sure there are NO scratches on in the pan), and the larger the surface area, the faster the ethanol will evaporate. Since it's Teflon, it's very inert and non-reactive, it's even used in high-tech labs to help seal fittings between glassware.

Pre-moistening the filter paper will cut down on the "wicking" action the filter paper will have and reduce the amount of the solution absorbed in the paper. Now, not to worry, but whatever filtrate is left over after a few batches have been done this way, may be re-dissolved in ethanol and in a separate container, the old filter papers may be allowed to soak in a generous supply of ethanol and some additional product may be recovered. Bottom line, save those filter papers with their filtrate because they can be used again on a rainy day.

The drying process of 24-48 hours where the very finely ground newly recrystallized cocaine has a dramatic impact on the quality. Sometimes there are volatile aromatics (smells like rubber or gasoline), trapped in the crystal matrix. By letting it air out like this, it will allow these to evaporate off. This even works if a critter doesn't want to go through the whole purification ritual. Grinding into as fine a powder as possible and spreading it out on a large surface area just makes things much more pleasant all the way around.

IMPORTANT: Mr. Hamster would also like to stress to any critters attempting to perform this process read it over several times. Imagine going through the motions. Having everything prepared and ready as much as possible. A critter should not be reading this while performing the procedure, but should know the procedure and only refer back to this as a reference. Planning, preparation, and practice will help tremendously. Being organized is a good thing to practice in general.

The Materials:
  • Coffee filters or filter paper.
  • Some quantity of white powder, let's for this example problem and to make the math understandable, let's use 2g.
  • Some 95% Ethanol (Everclear if you are in a place which has it, or "Spiritus" Polish Vodka 96% ethanol, or reagent grade EtOH). NB: Other alcohols will do (MeOH, IPA, etc), they are just toxic and time must be allowed for the crystals to fully dry and let any other alcohols trapped in the crystal matrix to fully evaporate. The key here is as little water as possible. See here for more information regarding solubility and varying percentages of ethanol Solvent Solubility Worksheet originally created by Zeni.
  • Stirring implement - glass rod, spoon, knife, etc...
  • Glass measuring cup, beaker, or graduated cylinder.
  • Glass to hold filter paper in.
  • Top quality Teflon pan, wide is best.
  • Stove with inductive heating or electric heating elements. NO OPEN FLAME!
  • Working overhead ventilation fan.
  • Bendable plastic card.

The Procedure:
  1. 2g of powder into as fine a powder as possible. Use some imagination here, but make sure no powder is lost. The finer the better for dissolving.
  2. Measure 7ml (2g x 3.5ml) ethanol into the beaker or measuring cup. This assumes 1g/3.5ml ratio.
  3. Warm the ethanol in the microwave for approximately 30 seconds on high. This will warm the ethanol making the cocaine easier to dissolve. Heating times may vary, and this is just to increase the solubility of the solvent, and is not absolutely necessary as room temperature will work as well.
  4. Add the powder to the warm ethanol and stir. Make sure there are no small "pebbles" in the solution.
  5. Let sit for a few while preparing the filter paper.
  6. Fold the filter paper into a 4-square fold, and cut the filter making it as large and round as possible.
  7. Unfold and between two of the 1/4 folds, fold a 1/8th fold, then holding the two 1/4th folds together and the 1/8th outside, fold the 1/8th along the outside. This will give a large surface area (less clogging and ease draining). For more information on folding filter paper see here: Folding Filter Paper
  8. Place the filter paper in the receiving glass beaker, glass, etc.
  9. Pre-moisten the filter paper with some extra ethanol to prevent wicking of any active ingredients into the filter paper.
  10. Stir the solution again making sure there are no pebbles and everything is in solution or suspended in solution making it cloudy.
  11. Filter the solution using the filter set up in step 7-9.
  12. Wait until all the liquid has passed through the filter.
  13. Repeat steps 2-12 using any substance left in the original beaker, scrape and rinse the filter paper with ethanol into the it as well. (Just doing a second pass to get anything left behind.)
  14. Place the Teflon pan on the electric heating element.
  15. Turn on the exhaust fan. (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT)
  16. Fill the pan with the filtered liquid.
  17. turn the heat to "Warm/Low -> 1". Some experimentation is required, do not let the ethanol boil, just get it to the point just before boiling. Should be fairly quick, maybe 1-2 hours for 200ml.
  18. Let the ethanol completely evaporate. Crystals will form on top of the solution, and they may be stirred/spread around to help the alcohol evaporate for the impatient. This will look like it's formed an opaque "goo", all perfectly normal.
  19. Admire the pretty crystals.
  20. Scrape the crystals off the pan using the bendable card and empty them onto an appropriate surface.
  21. Make sure they are ground as finely as possible to allow any liquid trapped in the crystal matrix to evaporate. Very important because the finer the powder is, the better it will help with absorption.
  22. The product is ready to use immediately since ethanol is non-toxic, but for best results allow to dry for 24-48 hours over a large surface area. It is surprising how much improvement can come from "airing out" very finely ground powder.
  23. The resulting dose(s) may be administered by a hamster or chinchilla's favorite ROA and may even be converted more efficiently now to a much cleaner base as well.
Mr. Hamster hopes this has been educational and taught a few things about evaporative recrystallization. He just used the cocaine, but this same technique can be used to make rock candy using sugar put into solution with water.

Be well...



Solvent Solubility Worksheet


Thanks go out to Zeni for the original version of this.

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Last edited by Wanderer; 24-05-2013 at 22:40. Reason: tpyo, clarity and additional information, solvent solubility worksheet, how to fold filter paper
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Old 16-12-2011, 01:14
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Wonderer do you know what does a recrystallization do to remove impurities? With DMT, they just evaporate the alcohol without any paper filtering.
I've read that repeated recrystallizations purify the coke, without mentioning any filters, I've always wondered where the impurities go if one just evaporates alcohol.
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Old 17-12-2011, 10:13
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Mr. Hamster knows that filtration is a must in order to remove anything insoluble in alcohol. Insoluble additives do not just evaporate with the alcohol. Additionally, most impurities will be less soluble than cocaine HCL in alcohol.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

im surprised that this thread isnt bigger. i mean this sounds incredibly easy, and even better results than other methods?? am i missing something.... whats the catch? haha
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

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im surprised that this thread isnt bigger. i mean this sounds incredibly easy, and even better results than other methods?? am i missing something.... whats the catch? haha
Absolutely no catch. It will always result in a cleaner result, no matter what. It will never result in anything less than was originally started with because if everything is 100% soluble in alcohol, the it will completely dissolve and be recovered when the alcohol evaporates.

No need for the thread to be longer or bigger, it's just a matter of having the required materials and following the steps. Simple as that.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

How much alcohol does one use for 1/4-1/2 a gram???Will Isopropyl(rubbing) alcohol work?
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

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<snip>

Others might say, why only ethanol? Well, no good reason, other than the hamster had readily available 96% ethanol and ethanol is also non-toxic, so no harmful dangerous chemicals around if accidentally spilled or taken internally. Ethanol (EtOH) is preferred, but methanol (MeOH) and isopropyl (IPA) will work just as well.

<snip>

Cocaine is soluble 1g/ml water. That's highly soluble. In alcohol, it's 1g into 3.2ml ethanol, also highly soluble.

<snip>

The Materials:

<snip>
Some 95% Ethanol (Everclear if you are in a place which has it, or "Spiritus" Polish Vodka 96% ethanol, or reagent grade EtOH). NB: Other alcohols will do, they are just toxic and time must be allowed for the crystals to fully dry and let any other alcohols trapped in the crystal matrix to fully evaporate. The key here is as little water as possible.

<snip>

The Procedure:
  1. 2g of powder into as fine a powder as possible. Use some imagination here, but make sure no powder is lost. The finer the better for dissolving.
  2. Measure 7ml (2g x 3.5ml) ethanol into the beaker or measuring cup. This assumes 1g/3.5ml ratio.

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  1. 13. Repeat steps 2-12 using any substance left in the original beaker, scrape and rinse the filter paper with ethanol into the it as well. (Just doing a second pass to get anything left behind.)
That should clear things up regarding different alcohols.

The preference should be EtOH, MeOH, IPA. It may require more IPA than methanol, and more methanol than ethanol. But not terribly much more. Step 13, should take care of any materials which are left behind in the first pass. A rodent might even do a third pass if desired.

Increasing the amount of alcohol to 10ml per 1g would also be acceptable in the case of substituting IPA, and in fact there's no reason why 10ml can't be used wit any alcohol, it's just that with ethanol and pure cocaine the solubility ratio is 1g:3.2ml.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Sorry if there is an obvious answer to this but is either and ethanol the same thing?
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

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Sorry if there is an obvious answer to this but is either and ethanol the same thing?
No, ether and ethanol, while both solvents are completely different. They are also different in their solubilities.

Solvent Solvent Amount Material
Ether 15ml 1g
Ethanol 3.2ml 1g

Ether is also quite dangerous to handle as it is highly flammable, and one can also be overcome by the fumes since ether was once used as an anesthetic to put a patient to sleep before surgery. Ether should only be used in a well ventilated area.

Ethanol is not nearly as dangerous, though one must use caution if heating during an evaporation process and do so in a well ventilated area as fumes may build up and ignite explosively once the right alcohol / air mixture is reached, a spark can ignite it (same with ether, thought ether is more volatile).

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

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First, being that he lives in sunny California, where can he get his claws on this 96% ethanol alcohol? Seems to be impossible.
Try your local drug store / pharmacy. It's medical grade alcohol that is widely used.

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Secondly, he was wondering how does 7ml (2g x 3.5ml) ethanol become 200ml (as stated in step 17) if he follows step 13?
Re-read that part again. 200ml was given purely as an example (in case you were using much bigger initial quantities)

Final tip: Do not rush and let plenty of time for the crystals to dry out (24-48 hrs) The guide mentions various heating sources to speed the vaporization up, but SWIM prefers to just leave it in the Teflon-coated pan for a couple days and let it air out naturally. SWIM is concerned about external heat sources or bright light interfering with the quality/potency of the final stuff.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

SWIM tried searching the forum but couldn't find comparisons between the various purifying techniques. SWIM means comparison in terms of purification of different cuts.

SWIM is hesitating between aceton and ethanol wash (being the easy methods). SWIM wonders which one would purify most cuts and is it possible and beneficial to do one washing method after the other (i.e. Acetone wash and then Ethanol wash)?

Should SWIM wait 48h after Acetone wash to perform the Ethanol wash or vice versa?

SWIM thanks in advance.
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

It's impossible to determine which putifying technique will give SWIY the best results without knowing which cuts SWIY's coke is cut with. There is wide range of cuts, and they are all different in chemical proprieties and all react different to Acetone/Ethanol. And since SWIY most certainly dosen't know what cuts are in his Cocaine, he will not be able to know which purifying technique is better.
So my advice is to take one that seems easier to SWIY.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Can one use denatured ethanol?
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Yes, denatured ethanol works just fine.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

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Yes, denatured ethanol works just fine.

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I found Isopropyl Alcohol available but no ethanol, would this be fine?
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Should be fine, but the ratio may be slightly higher. It's 3.2ml per gram for ethanol, but higher, and don't have the exact number, but using more, such as 10ml per gram will not hurt, and take note I the procedure regarding how to deal with leftovers. They can be reprocessed, with less yield, and slightly lower quality, but it works in a bind. Save the used filter papers and filtrate for reprocessing again later.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

SWIM tried this two days ago and could use a bit of advise.

1) They stated that the medium flow filter papers took a VERY long time to drain the solution. Would something more course like coffee filters be better?

2) They put the solution on a Teflon baking sheet and heat it up slightly. The caused the solution to quickly evaporate leaving not goo, but powder behind. They scraped the powder but got lots and lots of Teflon pieces in the process. They see no way to easily remove the Teflon pieces other than doing another wash (screening wont remove them). Is Teflon the best surface or would something like glass be better?
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Great TEK!...But The Blue dog has 1 question..he knows it has been mentioned that using ISO is OK..But what purity?..Here in Canada 99.9 ISO is sold everywhere and very cheap.the blue dog would like to proceed with this if 99.9 ISO is good to use.
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Yay! It's swim's first post on DF! This hamster can't
wait to access more! This thread caught my eye, and being the frugal connoisseur swim is, she has a couple of silly questions:

First, is it still necessary to make the quarter folds if using a java filter? & as far as the teflon pan goes....this hamster in training can only acquire a skillet/frying pan, will this suffice?
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

A buddy of mine has two 26ers of everclear and is looking for the rest of the tools for this procedure. How many more people have tried this and had decent success? He said he would be using 3.5G which im sure is more then enough. Can someone explain how to fold these filters? does it make a big difference ? Whats the objective? basically making a square or??

Also When it comes to drying the processed crystals. What grade of Teflon pan is used? theres a million of them at walmart what would should I recommend to my friend? (or other surface).
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Don't get too hung up on the filter folding. Start with a round filter and fold it in quarters then pull one of the open sides apart. That's the easiest way, but use whatever works. Remember filters and sludge can be reprocessed another time or two, with diminishing returns.

The important thing, really is find a method of using the filters that works best for your critter. Might also suggest doing a dry/wet run to make sure everything stays in place and the lab rats have the procedure down before working with real materials. Just a suggestion.

As far as Teflon, find the highest quality possible that's as smooth as possible. T-Fal brand is usually low-end and kinda crappy even for cooking food as bits of it will rub off with time. The hamster wouldn't even recommend T-Fal cookware for making an omelet.

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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

i have done this numerous times and it has marvelous results! last time i washed 2g and got some great looking crystals, ended up with .93mg of HIGH quality blow... i am in south brazil, so it's almost straight from bolivia to here, just stupid dumb cuts, so the ethanol/IPA wash does WONDERS to my stuff... But I also tend to notice a strange smell, not as in a bitter smell from the original baggie, but kind of a strange smell i can't identify... Anyone ever notice it? And it's not ethanol smell, at least not the normal kind of EtOH smell.
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

Pure cocaine.HCl is odorless, which means it has no smell. So if you smell anything it isn't the cocaine, it can be a solvent that is used, a cut or another impurity that got caught in during the procedure.
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

My friend would like to know what this will actually remove with respect to cuts? He used 99.99% ACS Methanol with baked magnesium ashes from epsom salt in it. He started with 2.5G's of undoubtabley adulterated (still fishscaley though) product that had just been through an acetone wash. (He will probably do it the other way around next time) and is left with about 2G in the end. He actually has done this before and also had some sticky issues with the pan but apparently it was alllllllll good after a bunch of chopping. Sooooo will this recrystalization (awesome looking process by the sounds of it) remove any of the speedy, anxiety producing cuts? He doesn't know what they are, but they're there... Cheers
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Re: Cocaine and Alcohol Recrystallization Alternative to Acetone Wash

This will remove a lot of adulterants, mostly salts, sugars and others, which have a lower EtOH solubility than cocaine which is about 3.5ml/1g. For instance Amphetamine is, and the hamster is digging deep in his brain for this, is about 55ml/1g. So theoretically the cocaine should dissolve well before anything else.

Not to mention all sorts of things which remain after washing with acetone. There are many things which are insoluble in acetone. In Mr. Hamster's opinion, the acetone wash is highly over-rated, and this is a much simpler process, and there's also no need to worry about anything being anhydrous.

Occam's razor, the simplest solution is typically the correct solution.

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