This and pcp are pretty much the only things SWIM would never try. Some people i know did it and one of them didnt think it was doing anything so she went home. She wound up walking around her house butt ass naked (she lived with her parents at the time) and after she was in the bathroom for so long her mom came to check on her and she was washing her cloths in the toilet. Her mom asked her what she was doing and she said "I'm washing my cloths cause tom wont get out of the fucking shower"(there was no one in the shower) needless to say she got sent away after that. My other friend that didnt go home did a lot of crazy stuff. At one point he went outside and was trying to open the hood of this car. Someone asked him what he was doing and he said "I'm getting a beer, you want one?" (he thought it was a cooler) one cool thing i thought about it is that he kept smoking invisible cigarettes. Also at one point he walked into the bathroom and walked out without his pants on, then later was wondering where his pants went. He said that even 2 days later he was seeing people in the shower with him and shit. Maybe they took too much or something, I dont know, but i would never try it.
SWIM once used few leafs of Darura, only chewed them and swallow... SWIM ended up in hospital, psychiatry for few days.. SWIM saw many people that were not there, bugs, smoked imaginary cigarettes....
From experience SWIM learned you never now whats real ...
SWIM loves and respects Datura but in no way like a drug... SWIM know what a powerful plant it is. Now SWIM sometimes smokes a litle Datura or Belladona with Cannabis..
Also SWIM didn't have bad expirience(most of it he doesn't remamber at all) SWIM doesen't think delirium is something that learns you or helps you...
SWIM and his friends played with this stuff for some time because it was everywhere in the washes where SWIM lived. SWIM made teas from leaves, flowers, and seeds (seperate and together). SWIM tried using small and large plants. SWIM even rolled large cigars made only from datura leaves. SWIM consumed large amounts of datura (read deadly) and never had effects stronger than blurred vision for about an hour (tea made from seeds). SWIM's friends on the other hand consumed less and had profound effects. One of SWIM's friends went blind for three days (cigar). Others just had crazy stuff happen, like smoking those imaginary cigarettes metioned above, and general delerium. SWIM beleives this stuff is very dangerous as the dose needed to achieve effects are lethal, in fact SWIM discovered it in a news story about kids who where smoking it and died. I don't beleive SWIM has met anyone who has had an enjoyable experience with Hell's Bells.
My walrus' first datura trip occurred when he was 19. He went over to a mate's place and his mate revealed that he had some. They decided to eat some. The next thing he remembers, his friend is on the floor unconscious. He spent 4 days in intensive care.
SWIM would like to start off by stating his history before and after the Datura trip. At the time, he was only 15 years old, occasional pot smoker and since being raised religiously, had not ever drank alcohol till the year prior...
His curiosity with other substances and drugs grew over the years since first smoking @ 13... but his knowledge wasn't very good as he was young, foolish and didn't really know what he was getting himself in to at the time...
One day, him and his friend were out, looking for pot, nobody has any. Couldn't find anybody to buy them liquor or beer, but by the store which they lived near, his friend hears of this plant, the white flowered plant with the spiked green pods! "This thing is some sort of drug", his friend told him, "A friend of mine saw it in this big book of drugs that will fuck you up" he said, young and idiotic looking back... He had probably had seen it in a big book of psychoactive plants of some sort... SWIM doesn't know, and doesn't talk to that friend anymore, things changed after that day...
SWIM decided what the hell, he might as well try this thing and see how it is, at the time SWIM was reading up on LSA and morning glory seeds... being dumb and young, he thought the plant his friend was talking about was some form of morning glory... SWIM wasn't that educated on things like Nightshades, or any other plants at the time... He was even afraid of mushrooms cause everyone talked about how much they tasted like shit cause they were grown in it!
SWIM having the prior, but limited, knowledge on dosages for morning glory, took about 200-300 seeds out of a couple different pods... Some where green, others where almost broken open... SWIM remembers one hand full being much greener than the other, others were kind of dark/brownish...
They went to to a place nearby, SWIM decided he will do it and his friend can watch over him if anything is to happen and keep him safe, his friend was more experienced with other drugs, he had taken E's and blow, even though SWIM was only a pot smoker/drinker at the time...
2 handfulls of seeds down the hatch, washed down with some form of cola, SWIM can't remember... Wait 30 minutes or so, nothing yet, fuck it must of not worked... Maybe an hour after ingestion, SWIM starts to feel really sick in his stomach...
SWIM ended up going to a store and puked his guts out a couple times in the bathroom. SWIM didn't start tripping just yet, was starting to get very dizzy and sick, he decided he needed to go home and sleep, this wasn't going to be a good night, not realizing what was coming ahead of him...
SWIM gets home, he goes to the kitchen, grabs a glass of water and quickly goes up stairs. In his room however, for some reason his little brother was standing, in front of him not moving or saying anything. SWIM asks, "Why aren't you in bed?" His brother responded "What the hell is wrong with you SWIM? Why are you looking at me like that, what are you on? Are you drunk? High? What have you taken, what the fuck is wrong with you?!?!"
SWIM, startled by his brother talking to him like this, simply because SWIM normally doesn't speak english in his house was dumbfounded by his brother talking like this, he walked past him and went to bed, hiding under the blankets... Feelings of restlessness stumbled upon him. Out of nowhere he was in the kitchen again, trying to get a glass of water, again.. Next thing he knows, his parents in the living room start questioning him, He talks to them and fixes the situation.. Out of nowhere he is walking up the stairs, he falls over tripping on one of them, then he finds himself unable to get up.. "WHY CAN'T I STAND, WHY AM I STUCK TO THE FLOOR" things didn't make sense to SWIM at all..
SWIM started taking his clothes off as he was overheating, and trying to crawl up the stairs. Multiple different situations which would never normally happen started appearing before his eyes, regarding family, friends and things that didn't really make sense...SWIM guesses looking back, he must have stumbled into his house, tried going up the stairs and was dumbfounded by the multiples of hallucinations that proceeded afterwards, in his head, out of body, out of touch with reality, his real body was acting out some of the hallucinations and scenarios he witnessed, and things took a awful turn for the worst when his parents could not figure out what was wrong with him and just got angry...
SWIM blacked out that friday, he rememberes waking up in the hospital, with sever blurred vision, in a straight jacket, and with a cathidar on, he freaked out at the situation and quickly blacked out... Monday morning he wakes up in his bed... Apparently SWIM had started acting normal on that Sunday, SWIM's parents were curious to what he had taken, he did a lot of research on some of the history of datura and toxicity of the plant, as well as who were the people who may have used them in the past...
For some reason SWIM was telling them it was like a religious experience, that shamans and old cultures used to use tools like these to reach their spirit and be in touch with the spirit world. SWIM doesn't remember ever stating these things or doing the research, but soon after did read up on reports on it and it made sense what he had told them.
SWIM's parents where strict muslims, though SWIM had always had his doubts on the origins of religion and the practice's of some religious people... After this for some reason his view became clear that all major, government supported, and law-creating religions, were all man made, false and all to similar to each other for any 1 to be considered right...
Because his parents faith would not budge, they thought he'd gone mad from the delirious drug, but SWIM thinks otherwise, but SWIM just says,"You can't really convince people on these things. Once people's minds have been set, by how they've grown up and by what they think is their reality, that is their reality and they can't accept or face any other ideas or choices"
SWIM thinks it's important to keep an open mind to everything out there, and always know that everything can be dis-proven in time, unless it already has been.
SWIM thinks it's funny that he had taken his school photo that monday morning though... you can see SWIM still in his shirt he had worn when the trip began, hair all messed up and unshaven hahaha,
Ever since then, he had been on a pursuit of finding enlightenment and the truth about our origins, he believes it has a lot to do with brain chemistry, the spirit, if one believes exist(Which SWIM does), and the idea of alternate realities/dimensions...
SWIM reads on DMT being a very divine tool in this sense and SWIM is avid on trying it one day, but in the right setting at the right time.
LSD, Mushrooms and Salvia all had little effect on SWIM in regards to their intensity, though LSD had some major effects on SWIM's brain, but SWIM believes it was more due to his friends having no respect in him for his wild views on how drugs should be looked at. Most of SWIM's friends were the type who will take anything to act stupid and have fun... Thus they used to enjoy messing with SWIM in particular...
SWIM seemed to lose his ego after his Datura OD... But he has never been more thankful for it. Mushrooms in particular have a weird view on things for SWIM, as well as LSD.
Mushrooms have been very insightful regarding the direction his life was heading(at the time which he had his first major bad trip);
his distrust and relationship with his family, and the friends around him at the time, which he was stuck living with, and his future goals and the reality that at the time, he did not know at all what he wanted to do in the future, he had his passions and ambitions but didn't know how to maintain a normal life..
It seemed the mushrooms speaked truth in that SWIM was destined for failure in the coming months, with school, with employment, with his mental sanctity and sanity, his friends and the way people looked at him, due to rumours and lies by his former friends, who never respected or liked him in the first place, cause SWIM wasn't the guy who liked to trip and act retarded cause the walls were moving, or noises where echoing, or how your sense of time and distance, scale and smell can all be so drastically changed, yet in 'reality' you are no different than when before the trip began.
But that's a whole nother story SWIM says...
But to conclude for now, Datura was SWIM's first 'hallucinogenic' experience, and it had directed his life in ways he never saw coming...
His Salvia, LSD and Mushroom experiences were never as 'life changing' as his Datura experience was, and he is avid on trying it again, but probably not orally, maybe through the skin paste he reads in the forums.
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The whole funny thing about this was, SWIM's memory perception very much changed after the trip. He could remember things from when he was 5 years old, he remembers various child hood moments in his life and things that changed him over the years...
SWIM says it's weird being able to look back and remember things from so long ago... and being able to look at himself today, and spot out exactly why he turned out the way he did... some of it is unexplainable, he believes he truly is one with himself, though most of his former friends where very out of touch... SWIM is limited to his families religious views and constraints, he respects them and therefore won't hate them for their views, but his family is very ignorant with most other things, such as;
-their own prejudice against certain religious and ethnic groups, yet they continually complain of being discriminated against themselves by other people...
-sexual orientation :P
-how a 'normal' life should be
-their views on what is fact vs opinion
-their own extremist values which they can't see why SWIM will not attest too, and how SWIM's beliefs are the work of the devil
Religion is the form of the devil.
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SWIM also believes he is one of the luckiest people on this earth to survive after ingesting that many seeds... it could have been up to 400 seed's he had taken.
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While SWIM also respects people who enjoy using psychedelics for the fun aspect of them, he learned from his own experience that some of them should not be messed with, and treated with more respect on a higher level...
Datura is one that seems very shamanistic and spiritual compared to anything else he's tried...
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Why are invisible cigarettes so common with this drug?
To answer a question from over a year ago.
In my honest opinion I think it is your mind is reenacting nervous habits. At the time my mouse took datura he had never smoked and did not have that phenom. However he had a pager (god love the early 90's) that he would fiddle with normally. From what he remembers he kept getting pages from girls and he remembers vividly pulling his pager out of his pocket and thinking "woah she actually texted me". This was happening relatively frequently in the parts of the trip that he remembers. The only problem is he had left his pager at his friends house and did not get it back for days because he stayed in his room because of side effects.
He does not remember the peak of the trip at all, but on the tail end of the trip he remembers talking to a couple people that were not with him. His conversations were not at all remarkable and at the time this just seemed normal. He also remembers riding in a car with his buddy's GF to get to his house and he was making out with her. He does not know if this happened or not lol.
He thinks what makes this drug non recreational for the most part is the fact that when you see things that should be remarkable they just seem normal and not out of place. For instance if you are on LSD and see colors patterns melting in a textile carpet it stands out and is interesting. If you saw the same thing on datura you would just shrug it off as normal.
Kandi who had taken datura with them thought a giant bird/chicken was on the loose in the woods. She did not think it was odd at all that there was a giant chicken and was just afraid as if it were a mean dog. Frankly the mouse did not get any red flags from the fact that kandi was trying to avoid this huge bird, he was just a little nervous that he may get attacked. So basically what should be the remarkable part of the hallucination was unremarkable and they were just left with a nagging fear.
he has had the insect phenom from DPH and was able to figure out it was not real eventually and move on. Which in contrast he saw things on datura that should have been just as alarming and had no realization at all that was abnormal.
I guess what should be the cool part of the drug is unremarkable. The rest of the side effects are ungodly bad. You are just left with confusing memories and a terrible hangover
This is a drug to talk your buddy's out of, but if they do take it you want to be the sitter because you will be able to make fun of them for years to come. I would never recommend this to anyone.. Its almost pointless to make yourself sick and insane.
Here's some info I have on Datura Stramonium from T.F. Allen's Encylopedia of Materia Medica.
Here are some of the experiences recorded: (doses/seeds/fruit vary)
- Became quite delirious recognized no one. In a state of delirium, he dances, gesticulates, shouts with laughter, and sings (after three hours).
- In about an hour she became delirious, commenced tossing about, picking her clothes, and talking incoherently.
- "There are those bugs, help me to catch them !" "What bugs !" I asked. "There, " he replied, "a long train of bedbugs, and after them a procession of beetles, and here come crawling over me a host of cockroaches."
He shrank back in alarm.
- Began to look stupid, seemed to forget herself, and gave incoherent answers (after one hour); seemed to sit like a perfect idiot, for two and a half hours (after two hours and a half); began to grow worse, biting a man's hand, sometimes crying out that she saw cats, dogs, and rabbits, at the top, sides, and middle of the room; at other times, with great eagerness, catching at imaginary objects with her hands, and declaring that she saw many people who were not present.
- Whenever I attempted to close my eyes I was assailed by imaginary spectres, in the most hideous forms and menacing attitudes.
- Also listed: Mania. Wildness. Biting. Indomitable rage.
Amazingly enough Stramonium can have a therapeutic value. Its commonly prescribed for night terrors. Think of a childs nightmares - the imagined horrors produced by the subconsious mind often spill over into real life in childhood (bit like some of Stephen King's writing, I guess).
Might be useful for post traumatic stress too. Oh yes! Symptoms match, but that would seem a bit reckless ...
Why are invisible cigarettes so common with this drug?
Datura Stramonium used to be part of an Asthma treatment available freely at chemists for about £3. (Now banned!) The leaves were processed into a tea like substance and for treatment of ashtma were infused and the fumes sniffed as a cure. They were also part of cigarettes for treating Asthma - so that must mean that smoking the leaves would not make a user high!
Anyway if you made a tea of this treatment and then drank the tea it would taste utterly disgusting and give you very extreme effects and as stated in other reports a regular feature would be smoking invisible cigarettes and talking to invisible people. Too many side effects to be really enjoyable, causing intense dry throat - like glued sawdust in the throat, delrium and total oblivion to your actions. Not good really and any one mad enough to try it should have a very clued up and strong sitter! Not recommended unless you can get the dosage right, but that may be too much pain for hardly any pleasure!
I heard a story that some one ingested some in London and found themselves 200 miles away not knowing how they'd travelled that distance!
swim lives in miami and brugmasia are everywhere. something about latin culture, ive known adults who said they simply put the flowers on theyre face and inhaled and it delivered a high apparently the pollen or something lol im scepticall of this method of use. anyways in swims neck of the woods (miami) its called trumpet flower. most of these plants have pink trimmed flowers fading into a beiche color. some are just yellow fading into white. swim once made tea out of 5 of the pink flowers back when he was a pubescent boy. (sheer stupidity now that i realize the consecuences it could have had. also he shared half with a friend, very stupid too since he and his friend were the only two people in his living quarters. swim got no effects. swim thinks datura is more of a drug to see the inner demon. its a drug that proves more chaotic in its effects. swim will one day try this psychonautic drug, most likely when he is grown and realizes its time to face the demons. he will have a sitter as he thinks safe tripping is smart tripping. good luck to all you fellow pioneers of the psychidelic realm. go far and beyond but dont forget to come back home friends!
I am currently smoking my Angel's Trumpet leaves, un-dried (couldn't wait!)
right now after 2 bowls 45 mins apart: I feel spacey almost like MJ but no high. getting some good music euphoria, really liking anything with some bumpin bass. (DJ Spanish Fly - Goin to mister z's)
Going to post more later as I smoke more. peace for now suckas.
small update. i just saw an incredibly small spider floating down from the ceiling on a web, hallucination? maybe. I lost sight of it.
Smoked a few more small bowls. nothing noticed except a more relaxed feeling as I continue to smoke. Getting more challenging to type but still very much in control. I would say I have clouded thoughts but I actually am having no thoughts, decreased mental activity it seems, I am able to just be.
Noticing some aphrodesiac effects.
Just smoked a joint sized bowl and feel a good buzz. Something makes me think that smoking datura is like smoking a cig, just a quick buzz.
Strange because I know smoking datura mixed with good bud makes for really good high with (for me) some good CEV's and a strong stone. Oh well. Have fun and be safe with this plant.
Scratch that last thought. I know I am feeling something but I just can't put my finger on it. My thoughts are starting to become very strange, I am just feeling this strange ghostly vibe. Like spirits are trying to break through into this world. The dark places and the shadows in the room are starting to take on characteristics, each dark place has its own personality. I know I'm not crazy I know its the drug but but it feels real. I'm feeling weird so I'm going to stop smoking. Listening to music is great (triple six mafia - Now I'm high, really high) which I havent listened to since I was a teenager. My thoughts are becoming slow and scattered.
The next morning I had no hang over. Though I wish I had some weed.
I know a guy who has tried datura when he was young and stupid and he didn't care about his life, he tied 2 times, both times boiling the seeds and the roots for something like 1 hour or more.
That was around 10 years ago.
He doesn't remember the dose but it was pretty high, lets say risky.
Anyway the liquid to drink was one of the worst things ever tasted, was really so hard to drink without vomiting.
Anyway he remember perfectly the bad feeling of the body extremely dry, also the mouth, it was impossible to eat without drinking water at the same time.
He had an extreme mydriasis that lasted for 2 days, He wasn't able to focus even the road signals.
Thanks god he never had anything else, the deliriogenic effects never kicked in or i guess it would have been a nightmare.
IMO stay away from datura, there are so many safer and more interesting substances out there.
The link is dead but I found the article, from the US department of Justice:
Jimsonweed. The abuse of jimsonweed (Datura stramonium) appears to be an emerging problem in the state. Jimsonweed grows wild throughout Nebraska. When jimsonweed seeds, which contain alkaloids, are ingested, they affect the digestive process, elevate body temperature, increase pulse rate, cause dry mouth, and produce a hallucinogenic effect.
The number of jimsonweed poisonings has increased in Nebraska. According to The Poison Center at Children’s Hospital, there were 10 jimsonweed poisonings in 2000 compared with 4 in 1999. These accounted for almost 3 percent of all jimsonweed poisonings reported nationally in 2000.
Law enforcement authorities in Scottsbluff as well as Stanton and Washington Counties reported jimsonweed seed poisonings in 2000. Madison County officials reported a jimsonweed poisoning in January 2001. In this incident after ingesting 25 jimsonweed seeds, an 18-year-old honor student crashed her car and walked away
from the accident. She suffered from hyperthermia, one of the effects of jimsonweed. She later
became unconscious and died of exposure.
Police and prosecutors can do little to stop the proliferation of jimsonweed abuse because it is not a crime to possess and consume the seeds of the plant. In January 2001 Madison County
authorities did, however, charge a man with felony child abuse for allegedly selling jimsonweed
seeds to a 15-year-old boy.