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Ethnobotanicals Psychedelic plants, Iboga, Calea, Blue lotus, Ephedra, Sinicuichi, Betel nut, etc.

 
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Old 21-06-2011, 19:10
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what to start with

hi,
so, swim uncle has san pedro, salvia, moorning glory, hawaiian baby woodrose at disposition

what do you think would be better for it's first mind altering experience?
note that he only has experience with alcohol, nothing else

salvia would be consume in a vaporiser able to go up to 280°C
san pedro consume as is, 3 piece of 20cm
morning glory : 100 seeds chewed
hawaiian : 5 seeds chewed

your opinion?

and of course, in each scenario, a sitter would be present.

thanks =D
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Old 21-06-2011, 19:35
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Re: what to start with

Hey,
I noticed that you are from France... YAY! That makes two of us!

My Cat would probably try each at least once, but I think SWIY will be doing that, so:
First off, my Cat has little experience with San Pedro, but has tried mescaline recently so he'll use that as a yard stick for San Pedro (as it's main active ingredient is Mescaline).
My Cat'd try the Salvia first: some say that it is a big rush, so it might just give a preview of what other psychedelics will do, but because it short acting if anything does go wrong, at least it won't be for long.
Then my Cat would try the Mescaline: for my Cat it was longer lasting, but also not so much a rush as Salvia was.
Morning glory / Hawaiian: Unless my Cat is mistaken, they both contain LSA, so it will be a similar experience. My Cat found LSA (in HBWR) to be the most euphoric of all those SWIY uncle has at disposition. Plus it lasts long, and has a nice after glow the day after. The downside is that "nasty" chemicals in the seeds can give nausea; for my Cat it never lasted to long and wasn't much of a draw back, but it was systematic; Maryjuana may also alleviate the nausea, not stop it, but make it easier to cope with.

Mixing these with each other wouldn't be the greatest of ideas, but I don't believe it would be to harmful. But I will point out that my cat does like:
chewing his HBWR seeds, then smokes a joint or two until the effects get noticed. then when he's got a nice trip going on, well hit a bong of Salvia (or a ballon of Nitrous Oxide). It quite strong, and my Cat finds it very pleasant, plus my Cat only smokes Salvia if he is already tripping, it's to short in effect to be use on it's own (IMyCat'sHO)

Meow =^.^=
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Old 21-06-2011, 20:06
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Re: what to start with

I would like to state two things. Although I cannot give advice to what or how much of those substances your uncle would want to take. I would like to point out that it is very good your uncle knows that only one at a time is the way to go. Also, asking a question regarding substances and it's health effects is a very wise thing for your uncle to do.

It seems as if your uncle has done it's homework because the doses seem to be very accurate for first time people. Now, I do not know this for sure, and there will be people that know enough about harm reduction that can help your bunny out to be safe.

Thank your uncle for being health conscious and keeping safety first.
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Old 21-06-2011, 22:22
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Re: what to start with

wow meow several at the same time, swim is not brave enought to try that.

well my uncle is very happy to see that he got the dosage right, once he made several THC pill and because he did not do enought research he ended up taking 6 of them, it didn't end up well, so now he is extremely carefull

he think he his going to start with salvia, because a trip only last between 10 to 20 minutes, wich is in his opinion better to get used to psychedelic substance
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Old 22-06-2011, 06:51
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Re: what to start with

Salvia is a good starter but sometimes you can get what tranger likes to call a sweat trip which can be nerve racking so he recommends having a sitter with you but ya tranger loves yarrow it is a great combination plant you may want to have some with the las seeds to offset the nausea
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Old 24-06-2011, 18:25
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Re: what to start with

It seems that i can't get information about this :

wich ones of those trip a lucid? what do i mean by that is : with wich ones of those chemical can swim loose touch with reality and then believe that what he is experiencing is real?

the involved chemical are

mescaline
LSA
Salvinorin-A

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Old 24-06-2011, 18:42
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Re: what to start with

What you should start with is reading as many experience reports on each of the drugs you are considering taking.
Having these drugs in your possession is all well and good but if you don't know what they do then it is pointless even thinking of taking them.

Please, instead of asking people which one you should take first, spend a few weeks reading up as much information on them as possible. Learn what they do and why they do it. Learn about what to expect from each drug, and learn about dosage.

Salvia is in now way like any psychedelic substance and it will not get you experienced for anything other than salvia. And even then salvia can be the most terrifying experience ever. Its not known as a very fun drug, its certainly not something most people take for enjoyment.

All these drugs come with their own dangers, learn all about them and know what to expect and make sure you practise good harm reduction techniques.
Have a sober sitter to keep an eye on you and help you in case you run into problems.
Learn about set and setting and make sure you don't rush into taking something that you are not ready for.

There is a ton of information available in these forums. If you go to each of the drugs you mentioned there will be threads at the top of each page with basic information and experience reports.
Use the search engine to find specifics too.

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Old 24-06-2011, 19:34
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Re: what to start with

I'd go for the Morning Glory first, it's a pretty mellow not too invasive high/trip which gives a nice indication of what a full blown Acid trip would be like (depending on dosage of course).

San Pedro / Mescaline is quite different in my experience and I wouldn't group it with LSA (Morning Glory) and certainly not with Salvia. Mescaline is a more emotional / spiritual drug.

Salvia is 100% unique and should be taken with caution and respected.

A rather crude way of putting it would be that Morning Glory is the "town bike" and everyone can enjoy a ride, San Pedro is your hippy chick and not to everybodies liking and Salvia is the Mistress in black latex who will abuse you in ways you didn't know existed if you cross her!

Just my two cents :P
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Old 01-07-2011, 18:07
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Re: what to start with

morning glory sucks ... it contains too many cyanide glucosides ... baby woodrose is much more potent you only need 3 to 6 seeds.

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