Eight Circuit Model

[ihateourfreedom]

I'm sure a few of you must be familiar with Leary's eight circuit model of the mind (http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm).
I recently heard about it and how he theorizes there is a specific
drug, or group of drugs which turn on each of the circuits.



My question has to do with some of the entheogens which are only more
recently becoming popular, such as salvia, sinicuichi, zacatachichi,
amanitas etc. Which circuits would you all think each of these
entheogens turn on? A related question has to do with some of the newer
research chemicals which have effects similar to other drugs. If 2C-B
is (roughly) similar to both an ecstasy and an LSD trip, does it
activate both of those circuits, or neither? Could a chemical be found
that could activate all of the circuits at once, and if so, what would
the consequences be?



Quite a lot of questions to ask all at once, but hopefully it will prove to be an interesting thread

[Stingray_313]

Let me being by thanking you for that link... i have always been
looking for a way to describe the different feelings and emotions of
drugs, and this has helped me greatly.



As for the entheogens that you listed, im just going to describe which in a short statement...



Salvia: I would but this at circuit VI. It is a hallucionagenic, but
not one like Mescaline or Psilocybin... this hallucionagenic is much
more potent and has much more powerful effects. Im sure that the dosage
of all of these substances changes its effects greatly, but this seems
to fit it quite well. Of course, it is very difficult to say...



Sinicuichi: For this drug, it is especially difficult to say. So little
is known about this psycoactive's effects, that judging its circuit is
most difficult. Erowid claims that it was used by the Aztecs many years
ago as a hallucionagenic, which probably would have it fit into V if it
is a weaker one, or into VI if it proves to be somewhat stronger. Im
sorry i cant say much about this entheogen... but little is known of
it...



Zacatachichi: Once again, a drug with little information about it.
Erowid describes it as a "Dream Potentiator", which fits nicely
into the V category. That link you provided uses the comparison to when
an astronaut looks down on earth while in space. The feeling that
exists, but cannot be explained is what they are saying. Sure you can
IMAGINE it or see a PICTURE of it, but you can never truely experience
it unless you do it yourself. This is comparitive to dreams. You can
recall what they are and tell others, but these people cannot
understand what it was like to BE in that dream. Sure you can tell them
or draw them a picture or hell, even make a movie about it, but they
cannot know. It is just that feeling that you have but cannot describe.
That is why I place this in the 5th ,or V, category.



Amanitas: These, can more simply be put into the same category as
psilocybe mushrooms. Although the effects and such are differnet, they
share common factors that could place them in the same category. The
psilocybe mushrooms were placed in V and VI circuits, simply because of
the mix of effects from the 2 circuits. This would be about where
amanitas fall.



Now as for 2C-B... This is difficult to explain. The fact it is SIMILAR
ecstasy and LSD experiences does not necessarily make it fall into both
of these categories, but more or less provides a similar ground on
which to base both of these 2. More or less, it does not provide a
psycadelic trip much like LSD, but simply provides the "feel" of LSD.
And the feel of ecstacy, although strong, is still a bit more then you
could state for 2C-B. I find little similarity to these 2 substances,
even though i understand where you are coming from in explaining this
relationship between them. I would personally place this in about the V
or VI section due to its similarity to a low-power hallucionagenic/
stimulant. However, i expect much controversy over my decision, being
as I know little about the effects of 2C-B. Feel free to argue my
decision of placing this RC into V/VI circuits.



And for a chemical that could activate ALL circuits... i dont believe
it could possibly exist. Our brains would probably be overloaded by the
feeling/experience and we would most likely lose a grip on all reality
upon using this. It would be a far too intense pull of emotions and
feelings for someone to enjoy. The SLIGHTEST change in mood could set
off an insane domino effect of freak-outs, panics, ecstacy (the
emotion, not the drug), love, and hatred. It would be pure madness, and
im sure no one would willing put themselves through this emotional
hell... Just my thoughts upon that.



Thank you for reading it all, if you did. I am more then open to any arguements/suggestions to how i rated these.



Peace

[The_Great_Sage]

as for opening alll the circuits i would guess that like Stingray said
it would be way to powerful and intense. But on the otherhand it may be
the coolest and most awakening experiances. I would want to try it.
Well maybe. I think that if it exsisted and i had some that curiousity
would over come me. But anyone that would want to take it would need
a strong mind and be able to handle very extreme of drugs to try
to tackle the beast of the All Circuit Drug.