Nootropics and Psychedelics

[seren]

I plan on buying some DMAE, </font>Vinpocetine, </font>Picamilon, and </font>5
HTP. i was wondering if i would have any bad interactions if i were to
1) take all of those nootropics together 2) while on those take some
research chemicals likely Phenethylamines 2c-i or 2c-c. if anyone has
expirence with any of thiese nootropics please inform me. any help is
appreciated thanks



Seren

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[mariecurie]

5 HTP is fairly commonly used with pretty much every psychedelic
without bad effects. I'd say your safe with that one, but I'm not
nearly as familiar with the others.



Good luck.

[angelsoul]

DMAE sucks try Lucidril instead or one of the other analogs. Also
forget the 5htp and get some good quality Kanna powder. It makes
5htp look like baby aspirin. Try the Shaman sites for the Kanna. Take
around 200- 500mg. I love Nootropics. Deprynl (seligiline) is the shit!
Have you used that?



ANGEL

[seren]

what are the alkaloids in kanna? i have never heard of it. 5htp is to
regulate my serotonin and for depression thats the backbone of my stack
unless kenna has 5htp in it im not going to replace 5htp with it. ill
research those though thanks for the input.



seren


Edited by: seren

[angelsoul]

Kanna works just like 5htp except so much better you actually get a
slight "high" from it. It is an African herb. Type it into Google and
you will find at least 10 places in the US to get it. It works great
for depression.

L Tryptophane is better than 5htp IMHO and if you are in the US you can
get it from a vet supply company so cheap it is rediculous. All that
bullshit about it being toxic is misinfo from the drug companies based
on the effects of a bad batch that got on the market from asia.



ANGEL

[nanobrain]

above is some of the worst advice i have ever heard.

kids, unless you know the particulars of your metabolism and the action of the given nootropic and how it effects your body, dont mix psychedelics with nootropics.

especially dangerous is mixing selegiline (l-deprenyl)as it is an irreversible MAOB inhibitor. as i have posted on another forum, in combining selegiline (l-deprenyl, Eldepryl, Jumex, Davur) and members of the 2C family, any potential benefits that you think might be gained are vastly overshadowed by the negatives.

THE NEGATIVES INCLUDE COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE POTENTIATION, SIGNIFICANT CNS AND CARDIOVASCULAR STIMULATION, CRAMPING OF THE EXTREMITIES, IRRATIONAL AND DELUSIONAL THINKING, AS WELL AS YOUR GENERAL PSYCHEDELIC DEATH TRIP FREAKOUTS.

so FFS, be careful and do your own detailed research or you may end up learning the hard way.

btw, the benefits of 5-HTP are vastly overrated, it kills an MDMA peak, and i cannot imagine any benefits of coadministering it with any other psychedelic.

[angelsoul]

Well, SEREN asked for input into these substances. If you will REREAD
my post you will see that I do not offer the bad advice you say I do. I
did not address the "mixing" question at all. I have no experience with
mixing as I am not stupid or crazy. You are correct about the Depreynl.
It should not be mixed with trip drugs.



In my opinion these research chems shoud never be mixed with anything
as they can kill you all by themselves. There is one exception I will
not go into because it is not a trip chem. Also many of the research
chems have no effect at low doses but just a few milligrams more will
send you to pluto or worse.



I also see SEREN either misspelled SUPPRESSION or DEPRESSION I am not
sure which she/he meant and my post would be different if suppresion is
what you meant to say.



Nanobrain is right in this post but I personally would never take the
advice of one whose handle may have been picked through a freudian
slip.



ANGEL

[seren]

Originally Posted by angelsoul

I also see SEREN either misspelled SUPPRESSION or DEPRESSION I am not
sure which she/he meant and my post would be different if suppresion is
what you meant to say.


ANGEL

the letter d and the letter s are right by each other it was depression, quite obvious
i am human i make mistakes, i still dont know anything about that
botanical you speak of please provide a full name nothing comes up when
i search, what is in it, how do u take it info is helpful thanks



seren

Edited by: seren

[seren]

Originally Posted by seren

i still dont know anything about that
botanical you speak of please provide a full name nothing comes up when
i search, what is in it, how do u take it info is helpful thanks



seren

nevermind, what a horrible reccomendation!!!!!! i think this should be a warning to all who take "kanna"



"People
taking any psychiatric drug (including all anxiety drugs,
sedatives, hypnotics, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics
and so-called designer or recreation drugs) or any cardiac
medications, are advised not to take any Sceletium-containing
products. As with most supplements and modern drugs,
safety in pregnancy has not been established." -</font> excerpt</font> </font>from supplier</font>

Edited by: seren

[angelsoul]

They have to say that. It is a legal thing. You have to do real
research and learn to read between the lines a bit. It takes
experiance. AND Kanna is like 5htp in the way it works. I never
reccomended it as an adjunct to anything. I meant it as a substitute to
deal with your depression. It works better than Prozac according to
clinical studies. The other two smart drug/herbs you mentioned would be
OK but might make you a bit Manic if you are predisposed to it. I would
not take any rec drugs if I were you. most of them you mentioned could
contribute to depression specially if "mixed" with anything else. Sorry
for any misunderstanding. Peace.



ANGEL

[seren]

well i think im gonna stay away from kanna because ive read that its a
ssri, and i try to stay away from ssri's. i would like to see a
reference relating 5htp to kanna.