Purity - from lab to mouth..

[yaba]

I was writing a reply to a tread that got closed, before I could make the post. Should have copy and paste but didn't, think its useful info so going to re-write swiy answer.. Sorry if it has been covered before.

When MDMA gets made in a lab, then pressed into pills. Any shape, size, color, logo. etc.. can be made. Any kind of stamp can be made by engineers (Logo and shape), Color (food colorings can be used), Size (binders and MDMA, or whatever can be used)

When pills and or MDMA is made Mr A, Might use a new logo, color, etc.. And puts in 100mg MDMA hydro 83% (think 88% is the maximum in a pharmacy lab) So 83% pretty good for a underground lab !

Mr A sells it in large quantity's (500,000 or more at the time)

When it reaches the consumer words will go around, he man those (imprint color) Are ace, they are the best, etc..!!!!!

Now Mr B (the competition) is aware of this and will make the exact same Pill but puts in 50mg of whatever quality MDMA (or whatever..)

When it reaches the cunsumer... they will not know where it comes from. Some people know exactly where it comes from... (swim did 10 years ago, not now !)

All swim wanted to say is, you can never know whats in a pill (there are exceptions) Unless swiy gets them tested.

Think if swiy buys lets say 10/20 pills from the same dealer there is a good chance they come from the same lab, and if one is tested the others should be the same.. but could never be a 100% sure..

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[Aar0n]

Very true. That's why it's impossible to judge if pills are good when people make threads saying "SWIM's got some white Mitsubishis, are they any good?". There are sites such as pillreports that will give people a somewhat better idea of what's in their pills, but like yaba said, stamp, size and colour doesn't mean a lot, especially these days.

[ElectroStep]

Originally Posted by Aar0n

Very true. That's why it's impossible to judge if pills are good when people make threads saying "SWIM's got some white Mitsubishis, are they any good?". There are sites such as pillreports that will give people a somewhat better idea of what's in their pills, but like yaba said, stamp, size and colour doesn't mean a lot, especially these days.

I have to agree, alot of people say white lovehearts are great pills, but the only ones that SWIM have come across have been quite mediocre.

[Aar0n]

Originally Posted by ElectroStep

I have to agree, alot of people say white lovehearts are great pills, but the only ones that SWIM have come across have been quite mediocre.

Absolutely. SWIM has tried to tell people that a stamp doesn't mean a lot but they don't believe SWIM.

SWIM believes that there's probably such a large number of speedy/BZP/other non MDMA pills that there's a fair number of people who haven't actually tried true ecstasy, only something sold as E.

[FrogEye]

Same deal with many other chemicals as well if they choose to sell their pill/powder/liquid/blotter with a logo on it. MDMA pills suffer the most from this unfortunately.

[yaba]

Its a shame but thats how some people make more money then they should ! if you were a buyer then you can usually decide what you want in your pills. Swim knows story's of 80,100,150mg MDMA for each pill, Not less then 80mg !! And the buyer can decide what color and imprint they want (only in large orders)