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Old 15-05-2008, 04:11
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IV questions (not steriotypical)

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A few days ago I stuck a needle into my vein, pulled back and saw blood. I slammed the plunger and.. didn't get high (or I just barely got high, but it could have been placeabo). My arm bled more then it has in the past and it began to hurt. Not bad, but enough to worry about. I was nervous as hell but the pain did eventually go away. The next day my arm was bruised and is still bruised the next day.

My hypothesis is that I pierced the vein. Even then, this theory isn't working for me because i pulled back on the plunger and I have always thot that if you pierce through the vien and pull back you won't see blood?

If this isn't the case, and you can see blood even after piercing all the way through the vein, isn't it bad to tell people that if you see blood it means its good to go?

1) I saw blood and shot, didn't get high and my arm still hurted. Is it possible that the needle went thru the vein and blood could have still sucked up?

2) How thick are viens about? If I know my needle is 8mm in length, how far should it be inside? Obviously subjective.

3) Anything wrong w/ using tap water? If so, is it chill to boil it?

4) Anything wrong w/ using a cigarette filter? What else works for a filter if that doesn't work? Cotton balls ?

5) What is the maximum amount of water you can shoot into yourself?

6) Why do junkies think that air is bad to shoot when the internet clearly says it is not?

7) If I put needle in, pull back and do not see blood, can I put the needle back in the same hole (after pulling it out) or should I relocate? Where should I relocate (up or down the vein)

) This is my technique, tell me if its chill:

Wipe arm w/ alcohol pad then ash arm/hand w/ soap and water
Wipe spoon w/ alchol pad
Dump dope in spoon
Suck in 3/4 sryinge full of water
Squirt water on dope (not spill it)
Stir (w/ needle sometimes, is this bad?) and heat/stirr if neccessary
Squish cigarette filter in hands, put halfway in water/dope
Slowly but steady pull up thru sryinge
Get air bubbles out, even tho it supposedly isn't necessary
Tie off arm
Insert needle into veinn following the vein up
Pull back and see blood
Untie arm
Bang
Pull out
Bandaid.

Legit?

Thanks!
I can't really read any of this from SWIM, I think he speaks spanish or something.
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Old 15-05-2008, 04:35
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Re: IV questions (not steriotypical)

When the plunger was pulled back swiy was in the vein. However, during the injection, it likely slipped either out the way it came, or through to the other side and out that way. It likely happened very early on, possibly even during or right after the plunger was pulled and came through with blood, due to the motion required. The pain/bruising would certainly be common from a miss such as this- was there a lump at all?

If one didn't feel any rush (and one knows the stuff was good) it was likely a miss- that is why it is important to keep one's hand and arm very very steady, and perhaps to do part of the shot, and then do another plunger pull/check part way through.

It can happen on occasion though, even if swiy's careful, but checking once or twice after the initial check can help. And hot compresses and keeping the area clean will usually help prevent infection in case of a full or partial miss, especially if the solution dissipates and does not leave a lump it usually heals up pretty quick. Of course always using a clean/fresh needle will minimize infection risk when an inevitable miss does occur, but checking the plunger and keeping steady can usually prevent this.

Also, one can sometimes feel it when it slips out of the vein, a stinging sensation of the liquid going in, or a pressure, but not always- if one injects more slowly that can also help, as s/he is more likely to catch it and save the rest of the shot if a slip occurs. Best of luck!!
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Re: IV questions (not steriotypical)

Sorry Moda, although your theory is most likely correct, the advice you gave was not the best, see this thread: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25865

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Old 15-05-2008, 04:53
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Re: IV questions (not steriotypical)

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Sorry Moda, although your theory is most likely correct, the advice you gave was not the best, see this thread: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25865
Thank you for pointing that out lostgurl; that is good to know. I suppose one would have to weigh the risk of possible damage from flushing of the needle vs. possible damage from a miss. It seems it would make sense that if one is shooting up regularly, the vein damage from flushing would be more significant and a more frequent occurrence than possible tissue damage or infection from an occasional miss.

Swim has not been a regular IV user for a few years but this is good to know for harm reduction for those who are, swim was not aware of this and likely damaged her veins without knowing it via this method. She does wonder if perhaps it might depend on the circumstances though.. ie. if one is using very irregularly, and one is using a more caustic substance or something with more potential to eat away at tissue, one might have more an incentive to avoid a miss and less risk of habitual use damaging veins. That said, I think the reason this practice is so common is not well reasoned harm reduction, but rather because of not wanting to miss the hit (ie. if one is dependent and does not get their hit, they may go into withdrawal or waste the dose, which to an IV user is something they are very aware of) and because of habit/seeing this done by others.

Swim also read a study recently on injecting behaviors and noted that the behaviors of the users who first inject someone or who show them how to do it are likely to be continued on by that user. The study was mostly in regard to whether one uses/ reuses needles and whether one will share needles, but I think it applies to a lot of injecting behaviors- one learns from others who have been doing it, and since it is not accepted behavior and one cannot openly seek advice (although this is changing with harm reduction efforts and needle exchange programs) one learns these patterns and they tend to stick. She'll put it in the archive if she hasn't already.

Thank you for bringing that up, it is important information for anyone who has, is, or may be injecting, or anyone who may be advising someone who is doing so.. good to know. No need to be sorry, these things are important to know and I appreciate you correcting me

So the consensus is, the above explanation is possible, but the advice about multiple checks for blood is not the best way to approach it as lg pointed out, with the risk of vein damage? Once swiyou have ensured s/he is in the vein, keep one's hand as steady as possible and go at a moderate pace, not too fast (risk of bursting the vein or not detecting a miss) or too slow, but watch for signs of pain or swelling and pull out if a miss is suspected before emptying the syringe barrel. Then one could re-cook, get a clean needle, and start over at another injection site. Also injecting in a safe, sturdy, and well lit environment can help- if one is in a hurry, stressed about being caught, or in a cramped place, one may not have the best injecting technique, resulting in possible damage either from flushing of the tip and/or a missed shot.

If one does have either of the above happen, the damaged area can be treated as said with compresses and kept clean with antibacterial soap. In addition, many exchanges will give out Bacitracin/Neosporin ointment and vitamin E, the former which can prevent infection and scarring, and the latter to help things heal faster- but of course damage to the veins is internal, and cannot be undone, it must be prevented through safe injecting practice before things get damaged.

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