! BZP -- Is there ANYTHING Similar To It & Legal in the U.S.???

[stjbm06]

This topic's subject says it all.

SWIM's posted on numerous occasions trying to find out this question, but to no useful data....

Most people claim that the piperazine family can make for a reasonable legal substitute for ecstasy, but then when one studies the reports, people such as SWIM find out that nearly ALL of these "glowing" and "it felt like I was on E" experiences combine BZP along with other Piperazines...

For SWIM, who read about the piperazines 3 or so years ago as an X substitute, who still NEEDS to comply with the United States' drug laws, the MAJOR question still remains:

For those who have taken BZP, is there ANY LEGAL OTC/herb/supplement/Reasonably-safe RC/ethnobotanical plant that comes CLOSE to providing the physical/mental/emotional/physiological effects of BZP?!??!??


If people are experienced and/or very knowledgeable about ANY of the above, PLEASE provide swiy's input to better serve the entire world who is interested in psychoactive experiences!!


Peace & Best wishes,

-J

[stjbm06]

SWIM forgot to mention that he would hope to combine such a substance with BZP-like effects along with other piperazines -- of which most people who have posted single-substance experiences find boring by themselves (e.g., TFMPP or MCPP taken alone).

AND how would people experienced with the Piperazines feel about also taking legal Stimulants such as ephedra/caffeine/AMP along with the individual piperazine and a BZP-substitute??

[SurferRosa]

SWIM would recommend a combination of mCPP and meOPP in the circumstances, roughly equal amounts of each. SWIM also reckons that meOPP and pFPP would be an intriguing combination, although this cannot be vouched for.

[Cirkeln 6]

SWIM has found that 250 mg of meOPP + 50 mg of mcPP is a perfect combination. Much better then BZP + TFMPP.

[stjbm06]

SWI-Cirkeln 6:

That combo sounds like it is EXTREMELY high on meOPP, and also fairly high on mcPP...

What effects and experiences did SWIY have, and what are swiy's conclusions? Is it similar to X? Is it empathic/rushing/trippy?

Swim has tried both together, but I believe the dosages were about 60 mg meOPP and 40 mcpp. Swim felt almost NOTHING from this combo but a little queasy at first.

Please post trip reports or other ppl's reports... Swim is very interested!

[Thirdedge]

Swiy has about 3 options:

1) Herbal X - expect a milder experience but also without the side effects.

2) Other Piperazines - most are dirtier than bzp, start with very small dosage, and even lower dosage for combos. Keep in mind some may fall under the analogue act.

3) Other RC,s - Look into phenethylamines like methylone etc, these are much supperior to Piperazines.

If wanting a BZP substitute to combine with the other Piperazines go with AMP - The caffiene seems to somehow prevent much of the hangover.