First Time Great. All the Others Not So Hot!

[raid517]

OK I have a fiend called SWIM (who seems to be a popular guy, as he is mentioned an awful lot on this forum). In any case 'SWIM' managed after some time and some effort to obtain a reasonably substantial supply (for personal use) of what what was claimed at the time of the transaction to XTC/pills.

However SWIM has been very disappointed with his purchase. His first encounter with XTC was some two month prior to his subsequent purchasing decision, which of itself was inspired by certain logistical and technical difficulties in obtaining a regular supply in his home location. His first experience with XTC was truly profound and stunning and for the two or thee hours it lasted it gave him a new a beautiful pair of glasses with which to view the world. But since then, after SWIM made his most recent purchase, he has been extremely let down by the whole experience. There has been no sense of pure love and of a perfect oneness with the world and with everything and everyone in it, no great sense of joy and and boundless pleasure from the senses of touch, smell and taste that he encountered during his first experience. SWIM remembers his first experience very well, when even breathing felt like the most joyous experience he had ever encountered, almost as though with each breath he was breathing in the very essence and peace of the Universe itself. At one point SWIM even remembers that the pungent smell of even his own excrement, smelled like the most wonderful scent he had ever had the pleasure to encounter.

Worse than this SWIM bought his supply with the intention of perhaps trying it with some friends who have also not tried it before. MDMA was after all originally called 'the dinner party drug'. (Although the actual event SWIM had in mind was probably more akin to the Mad Hatter's tea party, than any kind of traditional dinner party). However out of a sense of responsibility SWIM felt a need to test his new supply out on himself first before taking the risk of giving it to any of his most cherished friends. SWIM could not live with it on his conscience if any harm came to them as a result of his actions. However upon the initial test SWIM encountered some really quite unexpected side effects, which were not evident throughout his initial experience and which were not perhaps altogether pleasant. This included a somewhat panicky sensation while on the up, similar to the kind of fear one might experience when riding slowly to the first steep curve of a very large roller coaster, although somewhat enhanced and also somewhat other worldly than this. SWIM was not overly perturbed by this panicky sensation. SWIM has after all had several bad experiences (and some good ones) on LSD as a teenager (something has not done now for a very long time) although this was probably many moons ago now - so SWIM reasoned that as he had ridden out these - and that they were far more horrific and disconcerting than he was experiencing with his experiment with XTC at that time, that he should be able to ride this out quite easily too. Thankfully, the initial panicking sensation wore off after maybe 20 to 25 minutes - pretty much when SWIMS experience topped out. However there were other physical side effects, which were also quite unpleasant and which persisted for a considerably longer period. For example SWIMS teeth began to chatter uncontrollably, almost as though he were freezing cold, even though he was anything but freezing cold and even though in fact he was literally boiling hot! SWIM in fact found it very difficult to control his core body temperature (even when he was not moving) and indeed if it had not been for the large office fan he had in his possession, he thinks his experience could have been a whole lot less comfortable (and a whole lot more damp). Stepping out of the shadow of the fan was a bit like stepping out from a cool and pleasant English morning, into the raging furnace of the mid day sun in the heart of the Sahara. SWIM did drink plenty of fluids, although not excessively so.

As well as being uncomfortable with these physical symptoms, SWIM is simply on the whole very disappointed that he has been unable to replicate, or even come anywhere near his first experience. Subsequent experiments spread out over a number of weeks, with varying doses (including redosing within reasonable intervals) have provided similar results. SWIM wonders if he may now simply be falling into the classic drug takers trap, where he spends large amounts of his time (and expends a significant degree of his health) chasing that first perfect high. SWIM does not want to fall into that trap and therefore he has concluded that he does not think it wise to take any more of his supply of XTC for much, if not all of the foreseeable future. SWIM is however still disappointed, not least because it seems he has wasted quite a useful (although relatively small) sum of money on something that is of no practical use for him. He is disappointed also because when he first tried XTC, he thought that after 20 years of quite intermittent and occasional drug use (just the odd dabble here and there) he had finally found 'his drug.' SWIM had no intention of taking XTC every week, or indeed every month, but he would at least like to know if it is possible that he might at some point in the future be able to replicate, or even come close to the extremely pleasant experience he enjoyed during his first experience?

With his most recent batch of pills, SWIM has found that after the initial somewhat panicky period has elapsed there is still a genuine pleasure in movement and dance, but that this was almost all externalised and exclusively physical in nature. There is in other words no inner sense of peace and love and perfect commune with the world and the universe at large. (Or in put another way, no 'loved up' feeling). Given this SWIM has concluded that the downsides to taking any more of his supply far outweigh the upsides, the chattering teeth, the uncontrollable heat and sweating and the panicking sensation etc. SWIM also wonders if perhaps he may have simply bought some 'bad pills' and wonders also if obtaining a more pure supply might help put him back on the right track again at a later date, if and when this becomes possible? SWIM also wonders if anyone can recommend a very good MDMA testing kit, which can accurately measure the purity of specific samples of XTC (and possibly give an indication of the correct dosage going by the weight of the sample) and which can also test for the widest range of common contaminates? SWIM asks this
as he feels that possibly a part (although probably not all) of his initial panicking stage it is induced by a concern regarding what exactly it might be that he is putting into his body. SWIM does not trust unscruplous black market dealers with zero levels of quality control to always have his best interests in mind. SWIM also wishes to know what is the most pure form of XTC that can generally be bought - and whether powder or crystals are almost always purer than than pills - and which of these, if any is likely to prove the most pure?

[uno]

according to swim, big white crystals are the best you can take (if you want mdma, don't buy pills!)


of course swiy will be able to replicate his firt awesome experience and he may also go higher than that, but if he thinks "oh, i wish to be as high as the first time" when taking mdma, then the experience will be somehow worst... he shouldn't think to be as high as the first time, he should enjoy the experience as it is, with no thoughts of this kind in mind.


and the bad physical feeling should be avoided taking a smaller dose...

and take it restfull, with right set and setting (swim suggest a beautiful spot in the nature)


bye, best wishes for swiy's next time (and sorry for my not so good english)

[raid517]

SWIM thinks that from reading around the forum that he may have bought a reasonably large supply of MDA - which would acount for the largely pleasurable effects he encountered that were specifically associated only with the act of dance and movement - but which did not have the profound inner and subjective 'loved up' effects of his first encounter. Being a novice SWIM was not aware of the difference, but from his research on this forum the effects he has described do seem much more in keeping with those commonly described for MDA.

SWIM therefore thinks that his first encounter may have been in the form of genuine MDMA - and this is really what SWIM has a genuine preference for. SWIM would probably not want to take MDA (or any similar drug) again and would be likely to only want to party again, if he was able to secure a high quality supply of MDMA.

To this end SWIM thinks that a testing kit is pretty important. He is however concerned that there seem to be several of these available - and he is not sure which is the most reliable/accurate and which is likely to test for the widest range of possible contaminates?

SWIM is not certain how common high quality MDMA is in the location where he obtained his last supply, but reports from others in the area are not really very encouraging. He is hopeful however that something will crop up at some point and that as he is not really interested in using these substances on a very regular basis anyway, he is relatively content to simply be patient and to wait until something interesting and useful does crop up again.

[Conkermon]

Well SWIM has found that UK pills are extremely hit and miss. While SWIY seeks the purity of MDMA, he in London is constantly seeking warm "rushes" of euphoria and the feeling of warm chemicals running through his body, however he rarely ever gets this feeling and the fact that he has had mediocre (to bad) experiences since last summer has definitely put him off.

Regarding chattering of teeth, that is a totally normal side effect of mdma - SWIM has learned to enjoy it and take it as a sign of how fucked he is. Many of his friends chew gum to avoid chomping on nothing but he has found the taste of gum is far too overwhelming on E and it just encourages you to chew more. He has done "MDMA" on it's own in a greyish powder but didn't have a good time - it was much more expensive and the effects were minimal; he is unsure if the MDMA was shit or he got the dosing wrong.

Other unwanted side effects he has encountered are; vomiting. He has vomited during the come up, come down and whilst fucked. If you feel sick during the come up it's normal and you just have to try and surpress it until you're fucked, if you're sick during the effects then you've probably taken too much, had too much water or not had enough water. The body temprature thing is really annoying it's hard to get it right. Puking during the comedown seems to also be an effect of having a large quantity of shit sitting in your stomach.

I find it very interesting that SWIY's encountered "negative" effects on only his 2nd time, SWIM was wondering if he'd "lost the magic" but this has given him faith that he has just had low quality crap. He had also seriously pondered buying a testing kit but his friends took the view that they were gonna drop anyway so no point in testing it. As a result of the bad experiences SWIM is now thinking about trying Ketamine or 2cb for a while, at the very least he hopes to get some good mdma next time and perhaps a bit of speed with it which may hopefully bring on the rushes. Just fyi there is a website called pillreports which has a very large UK user base. You can find it via google. While it's impossible to be 100% certain it's the same batch as SWIYs pill, you can be fairly certain if it has the same dimensions and is around the same time in the same area.

[raid517]

I think this is correct. I think the reports that SWIM has heard of the effects of the most common substances in his location refer almost exclusively to MDA and not MDMA.

SWIM hopes that there is some way he can resolve this at some point in the future - although he thinks if MDMA is rare, then true high quality MDMA crystals are likely to be even rarer. He wishes he knew where in the country such a resource would be likely to be common - although having spoken to him, he is aware that he is unlikely to get very much help in this regard on this forum.

A good question though, of a more generalised nature is how common is crystal MDMA in the UK at large?

[raid517]

Actually on even further consideration SWIM has concluded that the effects he encountered may have even been much more (and quite frighteningly) similar to PMA. The rise in his core body temperature was really very dramatic and disturbing (so much so that it required the removal of all clothing) even when as I said, he was simply sitting still (as far of course as this was possible). SWIM also found that whatever the substance was that he took, while it did change his personality considerably, it did not by definition make him a very nice, or a very approachable person. SWIM is almost certain that he did not even very much like the person he became on this drug and would probably worry that he might even be of significant harm to himself, or possibly even to someone else if he took it in an innapropriate setting.

SWIM has concluded that he is tired of taking such stupid risks with his health - and has finally jumped for this testing kit: http://drugs.greenparty.org.uk/
as this appears to promise to test for a wide range of common contaminates. SWIM is unlikely to want to gamble again in this way and is unlikely to plump for any substance that does not show a very strong signal for MDMA and unless it can show a virtually zero signal for the other substances that this kit claims to be able to test for too.

SWIM knows that this is still no gurantee of safety, but he has also learned important lessons on this forum to protect his safety (such as the 'less is more' rule, whereby it becomes virtually pointless consuming more than 2 or 4 pills maximum, since there is unlikely to be any net benefit in doing so and the wisdom of consuming rehydration salts - such as Dioralyte/Rehidrat etc. both before and during the experience - and of course of testing substances fully before consuming). He also hopes to minimise his intake to perhaps only a few times a year at special events, thereby reducing the risk even further.

He would stronly advise others to consider taking similar precautions.