Anything that can mimic brain effects/changes of BZP?!??

[stjbm06]

Hi all,

swim's been fascinated by the piperazine family for about 2 years now, but has recently had the good fortion of getting some of ALL drugs in the piperazine class (TFMPP, MCPP, MEOPP, PFPP) -- EXCEPT BZP due to its illegality in the States.

swim has read a lot of BRILLIANT posts on this forum from people who know a great deal more about brain chemistry than swim does, and the effects of all of these substances plus dozens of others....

what swim is looking for is this: ** Are there ANY substances that MIMIC most or some of the effects of BZP??? Either subjectively or objectively (i.e., brain chemistry changes; affecting the same receptor sites, etc)?? How does BZP compare directly to Ephedra / large caffeine doses / yohimbine / et al??

swim is NOT looking for ANY illegal compounds -- he wants to stay within the boundaries of the U.S. legal system... therefore, OTC products and Ethnobotanicals or RCs that are NOT analogues of any illegal drug would be acceptable to him....

swim is particularly well-versed in all legal and ethnobotanical stimulants, and his favorite is Ephedra. Based on the bulk of the descriptions of BZP, I am guessing that Ephedra would be the closest match to its physiological effects... Caffeine and Yohimbine et al do not even come close to the long-lasting and hardcore energy effects of ephedra (note, swim's never done any amphetamine compound or illicit drug).




PLEASE help an interested user on a topic that has NOT been covered on ANY other drug forum site (to my knowledge)!!



---peace and psychoactive love

[Rush]

maybe this can help you:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...=1255&catid=18
there is a table with the potency of reuptake inhibithion and release of many designer drugs, including BZP,3CPP and 4MPP

keep in mind that every drug is unique and you'll never find one that match exactly its effects

the only thing that could go near maybe is a mix of other ones

[stjbm06]

any other thoughts??? It's been months with not a word! please help out a recently graduated student knock his socks off!!