Valoron (aka Tilidin)

[Henfer]

Did SWIY ever try it? SWIM got it from his father to cure his severe neck pain (his father has an old shoulder injury which hurts pretty strong, so he's getting Valoron and also admits being addicted, but he uses only 3x4 drops).

So SWIM has some experience with meth (not much of a fan of anymore), weed (loved over each other substance), salvia and codeine (codeine only used as tablets to cure severe headache... SWIM once took too much of it(4-6 tablets..)

so, only 5-10 minutes after taking the voloron (took 20mg codeine directly before), SWIm started feeling just somehow extremely well. SWIM talked fast, clearly and way too much. SWIM is usually a more chilled and slow being, but the voloron made him really kinda active. also SWIM had a warm feeling inside all the time. SWIM got about.. 300 drops of it in a bottle (Valoron N, mixed with naloxon to stop using it i.V.).

so SWIM took about 3x50 drops a day, easing his work so much.

The bottle is empty by now, SWIM also gave low dosages to two friends and they reported feeling incredibly good as well. also, this came without the costs of the usual uppers (no fatigue. no real comedown). one friend had headache and felt sick next day and got anxious about being addicted (made me laugh).

SWIM is in general pretty resistant to addiction (meth didn't catch him as well as some other stuff. SWIM is, however, addicted to coffeine), and he doesnt feel like he must do more, but it's feeling really good.

what do SWIY think? is it comparable to vicodin? it's an opioid, at the end.

[ironmics]

Information is pretty scarce about this one. I found the chemical structure and it is probably the oddest opioid structure I've seen. You are correct though opioids are opioids and all produce essentially the same effects.

[Henfer]

But actually, this is the difference. tilidin is the only opioid that makes you MORE active, even euphoric. gives energy and also drives SWIY to talk way to much.

SWIM thinks the euphoric effects are very similar like on meth, aka. being awake, not getting tired. But not that SWIY couldnt sleep, and hunger and thirst are also not going away.

it's effect is just the total opposite to all the other opioids SWIM knows (he used Codein as a painkiller, to name one).

only once SWIM took 80 drops as a single dosis, SWIM's vision got blurry, SWIM talked really slow and felt very sleepy, but still a very good body feeling.

SWIM stopped using it right now because it eases the work and the day so much. It's highly addictive, so no non-stop use.

Valoron N is also mixed with naloxon, which disables all opioids if you try to inject it. through oral ingestion, the naloxon becomes inactived by the liver, mostly. pretty clever mechanism, if you ask SWIM.

[ironmics]

Hm weird, kinda cool actually. However, tramadol is also pretty stimulating to most people who take it. All the info I could find about it was that it just was an opioid agonist when it comes to analgesia, which is different than tramadol since tramadol uses opioid, seratonin, norepinephrine, and gaba to produce analgesia.

[Henfer]

Got another bottle yesterday. SWIM got tooth ache, pretty hefty, and took 70 drops valoron (20 would be more than enough for pain killing).

best ist, valoron kicks in just a few minutes after ingesting.

[Henfer]

just a question... is it common that's really hard to go to toilet after tilidine (or generally opiates...)? SWIM's not been able to shit for 2 days know, really weird.

stopped using valoron today, switched to metamizol (as he's got real pain atm), works even better for the pain but no warm and fuzzy fluff feeling in the body...

also, after SWIM's taken a dose of valoron, he's scratching himself for hours just everywhere as his skin is terribly itching ...

[MrJim]

It will interfere with urination and will cause constipation.