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Old 23-11-2006, 03:12
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Question Dextroamphetamine and Propylhexedrine

Firstly; yes, SWIA HAS UTFSE, and SWIA DOES know combining stimulants is generally a bad idea. However no cases he could find shared many similarities with SWIAs... Read on.

SWIA has done PHD(propylhexedrine) once before at 250mg, and it was a generally positive experience... About 4 hours ago he orally ingested 500mg of PHD, and now, 4 hours later he feels pretty much nothing, and is wondering how risky it would be if he took 30mg of dextroamphetamine, then stopped to see how he feels? He understands that combining stimulants is a bad idea, but since PHD is such a weak stimulant; he took the PHD about 4 hours ago; and he felt little to no effects from it; would he be at real risk of seriously hurting his body if he were to ingest 30mg of dextroamphetamine. If so; he tells me that he's sorry to tell you that he already did, in fact, insufflate 30mg of dextroamphetamine; and would like to know if he should expect a trip to the hospital, or no problems and a good (but VERY risky) night.


Edit: 11:20PM CST; 11/22/06
About 3 hours after the initial comeup, once he felt pretty sure that he wasn't in any serious, immediate danger, he insufflated 15mg more. He's starting to come down, and doesn't have any plans to do any more, but would still like to know how much of a risk he took and if he was ever in any real danger at these moderate doses; or if he was just getting worked up about nothing. Thanks!

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Re: Dextroamphetamine and Propylhexedrine

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Firstly; yes, SWIA HAS UTFSE, and SWIA DOES know combining stimulants is generally a bad idea. However no cases he could find shared many similarities with SWIAs... Read on.

SWIA has done PHD(propylhexedrine) once before at 250mg, and it was a generally positive experience... About 4 hours ago he orally ingested 500mg of PHD, and now, 4 hours later he feels pretty much nothing, and is wondering how risky it would be if he took 30mg of dextroamphetamine, then stopped to see how he feels? He understands that combining stimulants is a bad idea, but since PHD is such a weak stimulant;
PHD is not a weak stimulant. It may feel weak mentally (compared to meth or whatever), but slap on a blood pressure cuff & heart rate monitor and prepare to worry a bit.
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he took the PHD about 4 hours ago; and he felt little to no effects from it; would he be at real risk of seriously hurting his body if he were to ingest 30mg of dextroamphetamine. If so; he tells me that he's sorry to tell you that he already did, in fact, insufflate 30mg of dextroamphetamine; and would like to know if he should expect a trip to the hospital, or no problems and a good (but VERY risky) night.


Edit: 11:20PM CST; 11/22/06
About 3 hours after the initial comeup, once he felt pretty sure that he wasn't in any serious, immediate danger, he insufflated 15mg more. He's starting to come down, and doesn't have any plans to do any more, but would still like to know how much of a risk he took and if he was ever in any real danger at these moderate doses; or if he was just getting worked up about nothing. Thanks!
SWIM wouldn't do it, but it's SWIY's body. It's a great way to ask for a cerebral hemorrhage, nice little strokey-pooh. Or one of those "rare" cases of pulmonary hypertension, with right ventricular dysfunction and progressive inability to breathe.
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Old 23-11-2006, 14:50
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Re: Dextroamphetamine and Propylhexedrine

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PHD is not a weak stimulant. It may feel weak mentally (compared to meth or whatever), but slap on a blood pressure cuff & heart rate monitor and prepare to worry a bit.
SWIA didn't realize that. SWIA just assumed that since it was unscheduled, and that he had done PHD in the past without incident, that he probably didn't have too much to worry about... SWIA still thinks that even though it was incredibly foolish to take the combination that SWIM took without finding out for sure how it would affect him, he still tells me that he thinks he wasn't in a situation where there was a particularly high chance of him suffering any of the more severe side-effects that come with combining stims at higher doses (see: heart attack, see: death.) If someone were to take these kinds of combinations regularly at moderate doses, or even a handul of times at higher doses, however, SWIA believes that they could possibly be at a profound risk for serious heart problems, along with whatever else comes with mixing stims. SWIA desn't plan on mixing any uppers together again unless he's absolutely sure of how they will interact with eachother, and what a responsible, safe dose of each drug would be.

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PHD is not a weak stimulant. It may feel weak mentally (compared to meth or whatever), but slap on a blood pressure cuff & heart rate monitor and prepare to worry a bit.
SWIA is wondering if SWIN is classifying PHD as a 'strong' stimulant based on elevated blood pressure and pulse alone, or if SWIN has any sources that speak to the strength of PHD. SWIA doesn't ask, of course, because he doubts SWITHeGreatNicaineWithMorePostsThanSWIMWillEverHav e, he only asks because he had no problems or side-effects at all the first time he used PHD, at 250mg, and the second time he tried PHD, last night, with 500mg PHD orally and 45mg D-Amphetamine insufflated, (admittedly there was a four hour gap in between when SWIA dosed the PHD and when he did the D-Amphetamines) SWIA had absolutely none of the serious side effects SWIA had read reports on, such as severe headaches and projectile vomitting, and that really puzzled him. SWIA read the PHD basics topic (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15548) several months ago, then read over it again last night, and thinks he gathered from the wide range of responses to PHD that were posted, that PHD might be more unpredictable at recreational doses than the level of predictability we might prefer and expect a recreational drug be. For some particularly sensitive users, ingesting PHD in any form could be like a game of russian roulette for druggies; one might get nice and euphoric and tingly, one might be sicker than they've ever been in their life, or one might be left completely sober (as in SWIAs case.)


Any ideas, Nicaine or others?

A last note: SWIA is not a doctor, does not (currently) have a degree in chemistry, or any science relating to this forum for that matter, and that pretty much everything he's said in this post (and probably most of his posts) are things he think sound reasonable enough to him to put out on the table for more qualified members to put a word in on. Lastly, apologies for any incoherence; This was written by an author who has had very little sleep in the last three days, and is ready to get some much-needed rest...
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Re: Dextroamphetamine and Propylhexedrine

like said above, be careful just because propylhexadrine is not nearly as euphoric as some amps does not mean its not putting your body under a lot of stress. Mixing those two sounds like a possible route to some heart trouble
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