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This half belongs in the recovery forum, half here, but it's very specific to cola so thought I'd post it here.
I'm trying to figure out if I can use some willpower and/or other methods (even NA meetings or whatever) to only use occasionally. Last 4 months I've been going fuckin' crazy to the moon, to the severe detriment of my body, mind & finances (the latter of which have been cremated and scattered... I've applied for welfare and figured out which food bank covers my zipcode).
Trying to see if I can stick to between 2 to 4g/month, which is about what I can afford at the moment. Doesn't matter when I use it, but that's all I'm gonna use, period.
Can you use controlled, or can you not help going crazy? If you can stay under control of the cola, what head talk or other methods do you use to do it, or do you just use willpower? Or is it just no big deal & you use at a party every once in awhile? Very curious what people typically do around here.
I know the whole party line about addiction and how people are "powerless" but I don't believe a chemical can take power over someone in a literal sense. The difference between animals and humans is that humans have a higher brain cortex that can override all impulses, even hunger and thirst. We can go to war and intentionally put ourselves in the line of fire knowing we'll probably die. In other words, we can even override survival instincts. We are not powerless.
Curious for responses, please elaborate in detail if you have the time. I'm excellent at disagreeing with people as long as they're civil and don't attack me, please be totally free to voice disagreements.
dayslug24
06-08-2004, 08:12
A friend of mine once said addictions are ways we intentionally hurt ourselves for a deep, unknown reason.
A change the chemical balance in our brains will force us to act a certain way with no control. People with mental illness cannot control how they act- this is because of a chemical imbalence. This is what programs our thoughts and actions. Depression is temp. curbed by changing saratonin levels in the brain. You cant make yourself better from clinical depression - you have to even the imbalence ( prozak, etc..) to feel normal.
Just my thoughts
But even someone with deep clinical depression *can curb their behavior*... can you see what I'm getting at? The higher cortex *inhibits* behavior, so what we do (re: complex actions like using a drug) is always a matter of choice at the pure thought level.
Of course I'm excluding serious brain disorders like schizophrenia and (maybe) severe depression too. But we always have a choice to refrain from an action on some level, don't you think so?
I can control it, although i have only been doing it for a year off and on, i usualy do about 2 - 4 grams a month(Note i usualy dont pay for it, sell enough to cover my personal use). I stopped a couple of times over the last year for 1-2 months at a time and found it easy to do, no withdrawl or anything, no cravings either. I think it just takes willpower i mean the high is great but then again so is sex, and what do you do when you have no GF, you deal with it, same thing when you have no blow or no cash, just deal with it, it aint the end of the world. Just my thoughts.
Rifter
It's easy to stop if you're not in a crowd that's doing. I only have a couple friends that party like that, and it's easy for me to get into and out of it, doing a little every 3-6 weeks.
chronic777
12-08-2004, 19:46
ive stopped for 3 weeks now, and gonna keep it up, cokes just boring now it doesnt even gimme a buzz no more. noe i got alocohol, weed, shroomz and PURE MDMA!!!!
Insane Asian
12-08-2004, 23:07
i can been clean from all drugs for a week, i plan to be clean for another month or two depends how i feel. i like to do random "quittings" were i wont do drugs for a period of time then start back up again. look ive saved up $250 in 1 week from not buying drugs <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley14.gif">
Nicaine raises a good point for discussion
When contemplatedon a philosophical level, it sounds like the issue of whether or not we can control our drug impulses can be related to the general issue and debate over the existence of "free will." The proponents believe in the fact that we (our choices, ideas, and ambitions) are the motivations behind our desires and the determining factors behind the eventual outcome of our every action and would therefore by this definition be said to believe in free will. Moreover, cocaine is thought of as being associated with our underlying desires as well as the outcome of our actions. However, consider for a moment this a substance that can on a very real level be controlled: cocaine being a physical manifestation of something we take in this case as synonymous with its perceived ability to render us powerless. But let us first explore the second category:
Those inclined to believe the opposite, that drugs are an overwhelming substance of which we have physical proof of its neurological effects and its capability to cause physical addition – meaning our physical selves "needing" more cocaine, rely on the certainty of the withdrawal symptoms we all experience to some degree. This is what I like to all the "this is your brain on drugs" mentality. These individuals believe in the proven aspects of a substance and read into the understood and accepted literature and testimony of others. These, combined with their own reality and experiences, leads the to believe in the fact that if you crack two eggs over a stove, sooner or later they’ll be in the pan – and so will your life. No free will and cocaine will leave one powerless over it.
Now I’ not meaning to be cheezy by citing such a mundane and seemingly silly example, but I chose it for its simplicity. What you see is what you will get, eggs in pan = sizzle sizzle. In other words, dabble with coke, the realization that you are in a bit too deep sets in, then so finally does the belief that there is no getting out . . .
I personally believe in the fact that we are the most gifted beings on this planet. It has been documented that the average person can only use at most 14% of the brain, Einstein using like 17% – the rest has not even been tapped into and we are too complex for cocaine to rule us – we are capable of more than we give ourselves credit for and we are the masters of our existence. Whether you dig what I’ getting at, are confused out of your head, or are simply laughing right now at the "put yourself on a pedestal above ‘existence-driving substances’ that you THINK you have no control over" mindset, AKA for the above purposes the decision surrounding the concept of free-will, we were all put here for a reason and we were all given the power on some level to not succumb to cocaine if we truly wish not to. Cocaine and other drugs can change us chemically, true, but if we truly desire to - set a limit on desire? Cannot. To the struggling: Nicaine, myself and others you, we, all encompassing: can and will pull ourselves out – it’s the power of free will and the faith in that power the drives this certainty – (regarding faith: not of where it comes from - if you believe in a God you may have faith in him, her, or them - and if not, have faith in the incredible beings, like it or not, that we most certainly are) and that makes the reality of sheer uninhibited possibility an available and most certainly attainable resource. No drug has COMPLETE power over any of us – there is always a bit of us left, no adder how far we’ve fallen, and mind you this ever-present scrap of self is all we need, left to fight and get clean if that is the path we truly desire to take. Though in this day it may seem to be the path less traveled by others we know and love in the same situation – it will always remain available and clear, no matter the season.
Just a thought
I'd like to add an interesting real-world experience (well, imaginary, given that I don't use drugs and we don't talk about doing them here -- consider this a possible scenario worded as an event for the sake of discussion):
Awhile ago, I was looking at the vial and feeling a real sense of fear because it was running low (as it inevitably, invariably and always does). Terror, even. I was thinking My God, when I run out it's like the world comes to an end... the feeling was that powerful.
** This feeling was an illusion **
Why? Because it ran out (as it always does), and it felt so GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD to come down afterward. I slept for a long time, and woke up feeling great. Didn't even think about the stuff that day. Or the day after. Or the day after that.
The feeling of fear was an illusion brought on by a form of temporal distortion.
One of the effects of many drugs is to narrow horizons to "this moment." One temporarily loses the ability to see beyond the next minute, 5 minutes, maybe 24 hours max. I'm sure everyone here can relate to that, or to someone like that.
The interesting thing is that in recovery, people also talk about "one day at a time." One narrows their horizons yet again, but this time by choice rather than by illusion or compulsion.
Now here's the issue that I feel tends to drive addiction: Lack of a "life," I.E. a satisfactory life experience. Either such a state existed before a person starts using addictively, or it happens afterward as a result of drug use. Either way, one reaches the point where there's "nothing happening" but drug use. To quit sounds like an extreme bore, and a dead/dull life without pleasure. Again, an illusion in the purest sense but it feels real.
IMO this is exacerbated with people who naturally lack motivation. I feel that people who are lacking in drive and motivation tend to get addicted (not attracted to, but addicted) to cola. It does give you a false feeling that you can do anything, that anything is possible. For a person depressed, lacking motivation and/or bored to death with life the attraction may be too strong to resist. One has to get away from the stuff long enough to really "get a life" (and then the drugs look far less attractive). Easier said than done, of course.
Just some random thoughts (and off topic, too). Thought I'd post 'em anyway. Thanks Wizry, I enjoyed your post.
chronic777
13-08-2004, 19:36
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i can been clean from all drugs for a week, i plan to be clean for another month or two depends how i feel. i like to do random "quittings" were i wont do drugs for a period of time then start back up again. look ive saved up $250 in 1 week from not buying drugs <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley14.gif">
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Keep it up, dont spend it all on drugs.
in a couple of weeks, i am getting 2 grams, and havin a good nite out
with my m8, i want to make the coke last all nite, but when i have 1
line i cant stop ding it, is there any way to stop the craving for
more, i will also have alcohol and a half ounze of weed, will that help
at all??
Yeah, leave half at home. Some people have self control, others dont. Me I dont.
r when you want to stop just smoke an drink till you pass out.( not recommended)
Or as hard as it may sound just stop when you dont want to use anymore.
As for cravings some people say xanax or wellbutrin are good for those.
Dont take wellbutrin with alchohol though and be carefull mixing xanax
with alchohol. The former increases risk of seizures and the latter can
serioulsy depress the central nervous system
self restraint, man. Maybe make a little schedule for yourself. like
split the 2 grams into a couple piles and do a pile every hour or
something like that. You will always want more, though. It's addictive
because it's hard to stop the cravings. You can't really get around it.
If you are going out then take only what you want to do and leave what you want to save. Also why not split it up into like 2 maybe 3 baggies, and then that way you can say "this is for this night" this is for that. or what ever. ALso a little self restraint never hurt.
One more thing, after you do a rail, i know it's tempting to jump right back in for that "bump up" to try to achievethe original high. I would say try to avoid going back to the bag for a little bit, try to space out your blows. Because think about it, how do crackheads go through so much crack? Chasing the high, they always wanna get as high as they were when they hit the pipe the first time (either that day or whenever). So space shit out it'll last longer.
Muirner
Crackkim
11-09-2005, 03:18
no i can't control it i must get some regular fixes i know its sad but who cares just as a cigarette
jus kill all the dealers u kno so u cant get ahold of it!
lmao naw but ive always said u cant do wut u cant get access to and if
ur REALLY going out of ur way to get it u prolly should not b doing
it... i think ANYONE can stop its all on them and the choices they
make.... but then again everything happens for a reason i believe
When swimhas it,he can't stophimself from having more and more until its all gone. Otherwise it isn'treally a problem.
Red_Baran
13-09-2005, 23:49
its to much of a pain in the ass for swim to get cola (and cost to god damn much), plus has gone through many addictions, so swim has learned his limits
SWIM told me that he just says to himself thats it, Ive took it all just enjoy the high. His friends whip out their stuff he doesnt even think about asking for any of theirs.
The Black Dahlia Murder
14-06-2006, 09:11
Hello
Sorry to bother you but SWIM is keen on occasional use of cocaine, SWIM knows about how powerfully addictive the white rabbit is but SWIM wants advice from experienced users ;)
So my question is: If SWIM were to take cocaine monthly (about 2-4 lines a time) would SWIM still be at risk to addiction? What time period would you suggest to not be at risk of addiction? Is there a risk of addiction after the first use?
Thanks
It varies, from person to person, I would think.
My uncle's maid puts a limit at no more than once per week. But in reality, her usage is probably closer to once a month - but the limit is still there, and she will enforce it.
Forget knowing the substance. In my opinion, it's all about how well you know yourself. How much self control do you know you have? Do you know your strengths and your weaknesses? Are your personal morals set in concrete? Where do you draw the line? And do you know if you can trust yourself to hold it?
Self awareness is key.... and it also helps to have a few very close friends that you can confide. They'll usually be the first to tell you if your usage is negatively affecting the rest of your life.
My uncle's maid won't use more than once a week.
Anything more than that, in my uncle's opinion, would require a great deal of self control and discipline to keep from spiraling out of control.
But he doesn't know you. You're the one who has to decide whether you can handle more or less than that.
robin_himself
14-06-2006, 11:10
Forget knowing the substance. In my opinion, it's all about how well you know yourself.
Bad advise! knowing the substance is very very important. Its critical that you know exactly what drug you're dealing with and be 100% familiar with what it is about. When one accumulated all this knowleadge than one turns to himself and asks if he could meet that criteria of Health & Addiction.
You could be ever so self-confident but when you meet the wrong drug for YOU than it will get hard.
Mmmmm perhaps "forget" was too harsh of a word to use. What I mean to get across, is that knowing your own body and mind should be a top priority, rather than knowing everything about a certain substance and being "100% familiar with what it is about"
Sure, you could know the chemical structure of cocaine, all of its effects, prime dosages, ways to beat the comedown, and have read up on a vast borage of user experiences.... you could also be so experienced, as to rate its addictive potential compared to other narcotics... but in the end, I think that only knowing your own limits, and knowing if the personality and mentality you possess can enforce those limits, can help you judge whether or not certain scenarios could prove to be addictively deadly.
But that's my opinion, as I clearly stated in my previous post. And of course, people are entitled to their own.
Mmmmm, and here's a friendly reminder that in the forum rules, the "how to use the reputation system" thread clearly states that negative feedback based on opinion differences alone, are not condoned.
Just a heads-up.
Bladerunner
14-06-2006, 22:12
Hello
Sorry to bother you but SWIM is keen on occasional use of cocaine, SWIM knows about how powerfully addictive the white rabbit is but SWIM wants advice from experienced users ;)
So my question is: If SWIM were to take cocaine monthly (about 2-4 lines a time) would SWIM still be at risk to addiction? What time period would you suggest to not be at risk of addiction? Is there a risk of addiction after the first use?
Thanks
Don't wanna sound preachy but this person you know needs to be wise. Best stay clear all together if they are not too sure then that way they've nothing to worry about.....
raven3davis
14-06-2006, 23:02
It all depends on who you are. There is no safe zone for addiction. Some people get hooked the first time. Only you know how far your body can go. No SWIM on this board is going to be able to tell you how often you can use cocaine without getting addicted. It is all about self control. If you have it, you can use cocaine as much as you want without getting addicted (although this is unrecommended). If you do not have self control then you could very possibly get addicted after using cocaine one time. The only way to prevent addiction is to stay sober. If you cant stay sober, you are juggling fire.
AceOvArts
15-06-2006, 11:53
The more you do this drug the more you will want it (we all start with a line or two my friend). Even if you put a cap on it youll end up counting the days until you take it again.
I would be very careful with coke if I were you, cos though it may not happen now it has a nasty way of getting you in the end.
Of course, alot of people I know can stay away for along time before using again, but the more regular you are the more likely you are to increase youre useage.
Trouble with addictive substances is you dont think youre hooked until its too late,which is very annoying.
Even the most headstrong of people can succumb to this baby, SWIM knows as he has had his fair share (and probably a bit more than that) of the white stuff.
My advice is this, play with fire and you are more likely to get burnt than not. Saying that, if you are gonna do it, enjoy it, but not too much.
SWIM has had a pattern of binge use (for a period of 2-3 months), followed by long periods of not using it. This too is a possible way, both to release control and to maintain it. You let the substance have its way for brief periods, and then don't touch the substance for long periods in between. This may work for some people, SWIM has found it effective in the past. It has its risks, of course. Harm reduction techniques are essential.
Trouble with addictive substances is you dont think youre hooked until its too late,which is very annoying.
Even the most headstrong of people can succumb to this baby.
My advice is this, play with fire and you are more likely to get burnt than not. Saying that, if you are gonna do it, enjoy it, but not too much.
this is the best advice, that stuff is so sneaky too. if you've had some fun with it and don't feel too compelled to try it more, consider yourself lucky and leave it at that. I have seen the most self controlled people become so hollow and just piss their lives away without anyone even knowing for a lng time until it was too late. I'm all for decriminalization except for this little lady, if $ is not a problem you're gonna have a big problem quick. sorry to the people who praise this stuff but it has wrecked a lot of oldman's friend's lives and almost his own 15 years ago. luckily some people intervened before he pissed away everything.
SWIM has had a pattern of binge use (for a period of 2-3 months), followed by long periods of not using it. This too is a possible way, both to release control and to maintain it. You let the substance have its way for brief periods, and then don't touch the substance for long periods in between. This may work for some people, SWIM has found it effective in the past. It has its risks, of course. Harm reduction techniques are essential.
i agree, this seems to work for me as well, however sometimes its really strange trying to stop i find, because some binges can be terribly long far more than 3-4 months everyday, trying to get in and out of habits like that takes its toll on ya.
if you have already tried it... do you think about it alot? do you contemplate getting more? if you have some in front of you could you stop yourself from doing it?..... these are feelings/urges you are going to have to control... can you handle that? if you have any doubt dont because you need to be commited or you may end up ommited.. swim has 2 gs in his desk and he hasnt touched it for a week. thats control do you have that?
markdahman
02-07-2006, 12:11
do you think about it alot? Only when contemplating the financial situation
do you contemplate getting more? If money is not an issue, OF COURSE!
if you have some in front of you could you stop yourself from doing it? Depends how much i spent in ratio 2 how much money i have left!
Oh yeah just noticed my signature goes in nicely with this one!
[QUOTE=The Black Dahlia Murder]Hello
Sorry to bother you but SWIM is keen on occasional use of cocaine, SWIM knows about how powerfully addictive the white rabbit is but SWIM wants advice from experienced users ;)
So my question is: If SWIM were to take cocaine monthly (about 2-4 lines a time) would SWIM still be at risk to addiction? What time period would you suggest to not be at risk of addiction? Is there a risk of addiction after the first use?
Thanks[/QUOTE
The addiction is 100% mental, not physical. The difference between the habitual user and the recreational user is purely psychological. If you start to enjoy it too much, you are at risk of becoming mentally addicted. Depending on your state of mind, usage in people with addictive personalities, may become addicted to a point where cocaine becomes routine. In this case you will find yourself doing things (stealing, cheating, etc.) that you would have never done before your first line. SWIM's advice - QUIT NOW, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!
So my question is: If SWIM were to take cocaine monthly (about 2-4 lines a time) would SWIM still be at risk to addiction? What time period would you suggest to not be at risk of addiction? Is there a risk of addiction after the first use?
The word "addiction" actually has many different definitions.
If you want to go by stats -- I read that approximately 10-15% of all cola users end up using it "addictively" (vs. social or occasional use). Not too bad a statistic at all, and that number actually sounds high to me. In contrast, nicotine has an 85% addiction rate.
So in closing -- the possibility is always there, and it has more to do with 'you' and less to do with the substance. IMO anyway. Opiates are probably more predictable, due to the documented 'physical' addiction and hard-to-miss withdrawal syndrome.
P.S. addictive use of cola is dumb... why? Because tolerance builds rapidly. So, SWIM tells me, do the severity of the comedowns. The pleasure decreases exponentially, the risks go up too. Avoid! Unless you are a maniac who actually likes the negatives involved (SWIM has known a few).
I would have to think that cola is an excellent drug to induce mania. IMO. maybe it's just the ones I know of that end up just totally destroying themselves before they say enough. you are right though tolerance will build rapidly and it becomes noticable if you try to keep up.
so if you chose to use pay attention to the clues.
I have known about 3 people (of those that I know use cola) that can hold a gram for months.
Nicaines right though it is not physically addictive. in fact it is one of the few drugs that treatment centers gove no withdrawal meds for. so if you want something (librium at least) there to calm you, you need to tell them you're a bad alcoholic and coke addict.
greyskylullaby
04-07-2006, 00:52
when it comes to addictive substances like coke, swim found it works best to NOT put a limit on use, but not go out of control.
if swim were to say she was only going to do it once a month, swim would probably find herself counting the days until she can use it again, just because she knows the limit.
instead, swim has decided to use it at random intervals, but far apart ones. she will do it one day, and then simply put it out of her mind for a while. this way she never has coke on the brain, the only times she does it is if she is bored and wants a change of pace. that keeps her from addiction well, but everyone is different and what works for swim may not work for swiy.
The word "addiction" actually has many different definitions.
If you want to go by stats -- I read that approximately 10-15% of all cola users end up using it "addictively" (vs. social or occasional use). Not too bad a statistic at all, and that number actually sounds high to me. In contrast, nicotine has an 85% addiction rate.
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there is nothing that can actually back up that statistic and it is probably a fat hunk of shit since most drug stats are. nicoteine's addiction rate is also higher because of that fact that its not a drug you do because it feels good. its a drug you do because you do it and if you do it you cant really stop most of the time. this is not about nicoteine though. this is about cocaine. going and telling people that the addiction % is fairly low will make people think it is safer than it is and that is irresponsible. this drug is bad and anyone who will disagree likely will only do so because they are a user. swim has personally witnessed the destruction of several people at the hands of cocaine. if you dont think coke is bad then youve never seen a friend go from blowing a couple lines to hopelessly addicted to crack in almost no time at all.
:smoker:
Hello
Sorry to bother you but SWIM is keen on occasional use of cocaine, SWIM knows about how powerfully addictive the white rabbit is but SWIM wants advice from experienced users ;)
So my question is: If SWIM were to take cocaine monthly (about 2-4 lines a time) would SWIM still be at risk to addiction?
very much so. see my last post in this thread. any use of any addictive drug is going to put you at risk for addiction. that is, roughly, the definition of an addictive substance.
What time period would you suggest to not be at risk of addiction?
none
Is there a risk of addiction after the first use?
Thanks
yes there absolutely is a risk of addiction after first use. maybe not full blown physical want and need for coke which you would kill to satisfy. but once you try it consider the fact, you may like it.
bunk8017
25-08-2006, 12:22
let me preface by saying that when swim doesn't have any booger sugar she doesn't worry about it, or think about it very much at all...
but, when swim has it, it is extremly hard to not do all of it...
my question is this...how do all the other swim's police themselves so that their entire purchase isn't gone in one evening?
thanks in advance...i guess swim is looking for ideas on how to save some...
INodHardOhYeah
25-08-2006, 17:35
SWIM usually only buys what he is planning on doing that night, but when he does save it he will just do however much he is going to do that night, then put it away and pop some benzos or ambien and just go to bed, thus saving the comedown and the coke!
Forthesevenlakes
25-08-2006, 17:44
swim finds that the above swim's method is what works best for him. stopping usage, putting the stash away and getting out the xanax works well. however swim usually also thinks about how nice some of the coke would be the next day, and how he wouldnt enjoy it nearly as much if he were to do all of it in one night and be all sleepy and out of it the next day. having something for the comedown so swiy doesnt feel shitty and do more coke to stave off the bad feelings is probably the most important.
hyperlite
25-08-2006, 21:19
SWIM doesn't use anything for comedowns and/or withdrawls for any drugs he uses and this is what polices him.......Get high, have fun, but the comedown is to remind SWIM to appreciate everyday life without the high.....
Since its so short, coke is the hardest to do it with though. Proper planning seem to be the key though.....SWIY should weight out how much he/she will plan to do for the night and put the rest in "time-out" for another night. SWIM tries to minimize the amount he/she has to go to the dealer to get more, it isn't like shopping at Wal-Mart...
As swim has quite an addictive personality he has to be wary with many of the substances he uses.
With cocaine, he is especially careful. He doesn't care for cocaine really that much but for some reason when he gets on a binge he goes crazy very easily.
Now when he wants to do coke he buys whatever he will use that night only and expects everything he buys to be gone by the next day. If he has some left over he just gives it away or sells it so its completely gone and he doesn't do some the next day and end up buying more, starting a week-long binge.
He finds that he can easily manage his coke consumption this way as it can be a pain to find a dealer so he doesn't do it often, he only does it with friends so everyone has to want to do it in order to get some, and his binge only lasts a day, so he doesn't end up feeling like crap for a week because of a long binge.
It works well for swim as he has an addictive personality and is fairly certain if he did it any other way he would develop a problem with the substance.
my question is this...how do all the other swim's police themselves so that their entire purchase isn't gone in one evening?
Nyet -- it's just not possible for SWIM. So he tries to get proper quantities, although this doesn't always work out exactly right. However, his sole connect is talking about quitting & going to rehab, so it may be all over with now... for awhile anyway.
SmokeNmirrors
11-09-2007, 22:17
Swim has been doing coke for about 5 months but the way swim does it is buys 4 grams and then once its gone swim takes a 3 to 4 week break is this a safe way of avoiding an addiction? Also swim only snorts it and usually never has a problem getting through the 3 weeks. So swim was just wondering is he being smart with his cocaine schedule?
just as long as swim sticks to his schedule he ¨should¨ be fine.if he finds himself cheating he should start to worry.
you can also read up on such issues by using the search engine browsing the forum using the prefixes "addiction" . see what other's experiences are. not everything is indexed yet but there is a lot of data already, many similar questions / concerns to swiyour's....
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SWIm thinks that if you can keep this "schedule" it has to be fine but be careful cause yey is very adictive and even if u think you can manage everything it can be stronger than u...
(sorry for my bad english ;))
how long does 4 grams last swiy?
his usage schedule seems quite fit to swim.
tooblue4you
17-09-2007, 20:50
Be careful, That could soon turn into 4 grams a week. Trust me SWIM knows and is there at the moment and its hard to kick. Routine comes and any weekend without it is abnormal.
Keep it recreational .......
SmokeNmirrors
17-09-2007, 21:45
Swim does 4 grams in about 4 to 5 days but swim always gives a couple lines to his friends because it lets swim feel less greedy and fiend like.
tooblue4you
17-09-2007, 21:58
Thats not so bad you must have strong will power swim thought you ment swiy bought 4 grams and did them all in one go like swim does.
Dont let it take over mate, its easy to slip into it.
TB4Y
melpomene
18-09-2007, 14:54
yeah swim used to solely acquire out of town, and thought the distance and time would help but eventually found a hook closer to home.
have fun but be safe.
detroit doll
05-11-2007, 02:23
SWIM is always being teased about the way they handle their cocaine problem. For example, SWIM likes to budget their paycheck so that each week there is X amount of dollars for their cocaine. SWIM likes to budget it to no more than 2 grams per week max. SWIM has set times of the day when they snort lines and the amounts are very meticulous... kind of like needing a morning and afternoon perk-up. Are there any other users out there like this or does SWIM need to get help for obsessive compulsive disorder?
Having a grip on this shows great maturity.. SWIM would never be able to set things like this and actually pull through.. SWIM has great respect that SWIY keeps it to what they say they will do and does not get out of control with it.. SWIM sees nothing wrong.
hobbs727
05-11-2007, 02:58
SWIM thinks that is cool... but also thinks beware if SWIY changes pattern. SWIM has come to understand that some people have an addictive personality while some do not.
Recent studies have found more evidence to suggest some people are more prone than others to become addictive to something. SWIM thinks this is not anal just good planning.
Cheers
Hmm, well I think it's good that you're trying to keep a handle on things but 2 grams a week seems like a lot in my humble opinion. Not only that, but, it seems like a lot of your thoughts and your life itself is dedicated to the white powder. So, even though it seems you're keeping it in "control," it strikes me as though it's becoming a cemented part of your life and who you are. I would avoid this at all costs because then, over time, if you don't meet those "guidelines" you simply aren't being yourself.
EveryStar
22-11-2007, 11:45
Seriously, the only way to conserve your cocaine is to only buy the exact amount you're planning on using in the next couple days. Like if you try to keep your usage to 2 grams a week max, instead of buying the 2 grams at once, buy like a gram (or even a half-gram if your dealer will sell that low), try your best to make it last at least 3 days, then buy the other gram when you finish with the first one.
Trust me, if you buy both grams at once, you'll be done with them before the middle of the week.
Due to circumstances resulting in increased pressure on swim - from controlling the businesses he runs to family life - to a degree he has not felt before swim has lost control of his habbit. Over the past few weeks swim has gone from a gram once in a while to 10 grams a week.
Naturally it is helping swim stay awake and focused on working the 36 hour days he has had to do recently, however as you would expect swim is concerned about his lack of control over the habit at the moment. Swim is feeling the effects at the moment of the congested nose which is sometimes bloody, headache in the front of his head from sinus congestion, plus a tired feeling most likely from the lack of sleep and putting the body under too much pressure.
Luckily swim is going away next week on holiday to a different country where he has no contacts, and he is way too scared to try and fly with any. Therefore he will have no option but to stop. However he is concerned about stopping suddenly after doing so much over the past weeks. Swim is expecting the comedown which is fine and he will handle that, however is there likely to be any serious complications to swims body by stopping as suddenly as he is going to? I know there are things he can take to easy the comedown, but these many not nessasarily be available to him where he is going.
Swim would appreciate any comments.
Thanks
Fight Club
07-12-2007, 21:02
SWIY should be more concerned about the sudden increased use and loss of control. The comedown may suck, but you will be fine with a good nights sleep and a healthy meal.
If SWIY has businesses and family life, then he has a lot to lose. Using 10 grams a week on a regular basis is a good way to lose everything, FAST!
Use the opportunity to give yourself a break. SWIY may feel moody or depressed after a binge like that. It is normal, and will eventually go away.
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Fully agree. Sudden loss of control has scared Swim. Thankfully as mentioned he is away for 3 weeks where he has no access and therefore time to a)recover and b)hopefully get away from the constant urge to blow at the moment. Swim thinks he may even delete dealers number before coming back :)
Not worried about comedown, all part of the experience Swim just wanted to make sure a sudden stop after such a long binge would not have a serious effect other than usuall comedown symptoms.
Thanks for the wise words.
sweetsweetmary
08-12-2007, 00:47
Understand that there is no other route here. Quitting is SWiY's best option. Just think what it does to SWIY's heart...Good luck, i hope things look up for SWIY's vacation.:thumbsup:
However he is concerned about stopping suddenly after doing so much over the past weeks. Swim is expecting the comedown which is fine and he will handle that, however is there likely to be any serious complications to swims body by stopping as suddenly as he is going to? I know there are things he can take to easy the comedown, but these many not nessasarily be available to him where he is going.
Swim would appreciate any comments.
no, no problems with sudenly stopping.
SWIY could use a "typical" overtraining recovery protocol used by athletes (chronic overtraining is VERY similar to cocaine crash), to speed up the healing process.
You want the all natural route or the more aggressive one?
dj_quinn
09-12-2007, 17:34
Your right to be concerned about SWYM's using pattern. Loosing conrol leads to an umanagable life. Overdoing anything is the surest way to it becoming much less enjoyable. If you can't control how much you use, your only option is to stop before you seriously mess up your life.
Thanks for swiyour comments. Swim has not bought this week, decided to crash before going away rather than start his break with a few bad days. Just about getting over it. The break will help swim and he will be more careful next time. Swim thinks setting limits is the best way forward :)
dj_quinn
12-12-2007, 06:50
Good luck mate, taking a break seems the sensible approach. That's what SWIM has done many times....