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HellsEmbrace
24-02-2004, 04:18
Which? I have a deep, deep desire to trip out of my mind. I'm thinking LSD, but are shrooms more potent? Mescaline? What's the best way to trip the strongest, basically?
Money is no object, I'll probably only do it the once.
ibbjamin
27-02-2004, 06:30
If you have no connections, I suppose you could order 2C-E from the internet, and take a large dose. This will be sufficient to put you in a strange place for a little while. Otherwise, a strong LSD trip can be rather intense, yet, enjoyable, but finding quality LSD these days is tough work; as least I haven't been hearing of any.
drug_user
27-02-2004, 10:06
Money is no object, I'll probably only do it the once. hehehe thats what eveyone says, anyway DPT, DMT, 5-meo-dmt, 2c-e, are all pretty damn stong, and are all good. 2c-e is strong in a different and more uncomfortable aspect.
icemaster
01-03-2004, 09:08
DMT
Bojangles
01-03-2004, 17:37
I would say AMT (the only research chemical i have ever taken)
next would be LSD
K_Rakovsky
04-03-2004, 21:27
If you want something that will make you trip quickly, and potently in a non-LSD fasion give Dextromethorphan a try, it is the active ingredient in most cough medicines and is completely over the counter - simply make sure you buy the bottle labeled Dextromethorphan - 15mg, only, you do not want any other active ingredients other then DXM - or you will throw up - you may through up from the corn syrup itself - 4oz. should be enough for your first time. I, personally, have never thrown up from drinking cough syrup - but have from popping 20 of the Robotussin pure DXM pills that are new and OTC.
DMT for a short & intense ride or Ayahuasca for a very intense long trip. I myself prefer mescaline or alice, but if you a looking for STRONG, DMT is the way to go.
kitchkinet
06-03-2004, 00:53
LSD is the most potent, DMT is the most powerful. AMT sucks.
Shroomerite42
10-03-2004, 18:38
yeah, I've heard of people IVing DMT, try that man!
I wouldn't advise IV-ing DMT. It will sure be strong as hell, but no way in hell that I am going even near the place that action will send you.
thesnave
11-03-2004, 19:48
A couple of my friends tried AMT a while back and they loved it. They snorted about a half-capsule each and told me they all tripped balls for about 12-18 hours. I never got to try it though...the guy that was selling it took too many and OD'ed. =\ (he was revived after about ten minutes though..)
Smoke 5mg of 5-MeO-DMT and you will be blown away ;D
Inecting sedatives and hallucinogens is one of those things that you DONT DO!! Especially IV!
DMT is not to be messed around with alright!
I have personally smoked 20mg 5-MeO-DMT before but that was crazy and I will NEVER do that again!
It is best to start small with Dmt because it is very potent and in higher doses can be dangerous.
ALWAYS have a trip sitter, this is very important!
A tripsitter is a good friend who will remain straight while you experience your trip and will help you in case you start to lose it and get scared! I cannot stress this enough, DMT can make you feel like you are dying..Without someone telling you that this is not true and 'Its all in yuor head" then it can be a truly horrific experience!!
If you are not an experienced Psychonaut then I do not suggest DMT, especially 5-MeO-DMT.
kitchkinet
11-03-2004, 23:37
DMT and 5-meo-dmt are very different. DMT is always injected in clinical studies.
To avoid any confusion, 5-meo-dmt was being referred to in every reference in my last post..Seems i got lazy and typed dmt a few times <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley1.gif">
smartbee
29-08-2004, 14:57
Honestly i think it's Salvinorin A, just need 100 mcg. Read articles of Daniel Siebert.
OneDiaDem
30-08-2004, 14:02
Ayahuasca, a large dose of mushrooms, or a high dose of mescaline would be the choices I would make. Im a natural buff tho.
how would an average dose meskaline compare to about 40mg of 2c-i? and if you really want to trip out of your mind for aobut 10 hours 140mg of 2c-i will most definenlty do it. for the 1st 2-3 hours you'll think you killed yourself then everything becomes a time of your life
Eat about 20-30 Datura seeds and you'll be gone for several hours on a STRONG trip,very strong, those seeds contain atropine, the strongest hallucinating chemical that exists. Although I don't recommend it to anyone.
Why make it so difficult with the research chemicals ? Eat 2-3 doses of Hawain shrooms and you'll be gone too !
I think beyond a certain point of strength measurements will be purely subjective, while physical side effects will mark the max level.
DMT and 5-MEO-DMT are both extremly powerful... but the most intense experience i have had must have beenwhen i took 60 milligrams of 5-MEO-DIPT. Man that was quite a ride:) I took one gram of DXM once, but did not enjoy it very much asi felt there was an"evil" aspect to it... Hawaaian mushrooms are nice too:)
thydarkprevails
25-10-2004, 20:13
i'd go with a decent dose of mushrooms, *at least a quarter oz* you may not "talk to god", but you will have a clear thought process, and learn much.
Roots of Evil
25-10-2004, 23:19
it talks about datura here http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_faq.shtml#5
from everything i've ever read, mostly negitive things seem to surround it
That doesn't mean it's not the strongest hallucinogen, it's pretty dissociative and of what've read everyone seem to be unable to control themself.
psyko_tripper
25-10-2004, 23:36
Datura is actually a deleriant!
How about a good dose of ketamine iv?
Roots of Evil
28-10-2004, 23:45
Datura is a deleriant, but yet it still give you hallucination ?
windtraveler
29-10-2004, 00:37
I would put DPT in the same category as DMT (it is actually a cousin i believe). But when you ask for the strongest you are asking a purely subjective question, as alpha pointed out.
wednesday
24-11-2004, 01:32
salvia has the strongest active hallucinogen known right now the best part...its legal
Paul
icemaster
02-12-2004, 03:07
Salvia is more of a dissociative than a hallucinogen; the plant itself is not very potent but he extract is.
ganja420
05-12-2004, 01:12
Honestly i think it's Salvinorin A, just need 100 mcg. Read articles of Daniel Siebert.
I agree, you should do some information on it. When used properly Salvinorin def. could be the strongest.
wednesday
07-12-2004, 05:02
10X sprinkled with salvia extract (powder) and you really have some stuff the fucks you up
Paul
By weight, lsd is the most potent synthetic hallucinogen, and salvia the most potent naturally-occuring hallucinogen.
From what i know, DMT is the most powerful, and intense. DMT and ayahuasca are the same thing, but DMT is not orally active, ayahuasca is DMT in its orally active form.
here is a list of the effects of DMT straight from erowid.org (the best drug reference site ive seen)
EFFECTS LIST #
POSITIVE
short duration
immersive experiences
intense open eye visuals and kaleidescopic patterning
powerful "rushing" of sensation
radical perspective shifting
profound life-changing spiritual experiences
NEUTRAL
change in perception of time
auditory hallucination (buzzing)
colorshifting (for example red green and gold coloring to the whole world)
NEGATIVE
overly-intense experiences
hard on the lungs to smoke
slight stomach discomfort
difficulty integrating experiences
overwhelming fear
fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling)
i suggest before even consider a drug of this intensity, you read up on some EXPERIENCES (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DMT.shtml) from DMT users, and of other like drugs mentioned on this thread. dont look for the most intense, look for the one that suits your wants and personality best!
good luck
HippieD9
07-01-2005, 22:08
Strongest trip SWIM has ever had was snorting 10mg of 2c-e, which was extremely painful and STUPID. Just FYI. I'dsay eatingabout 20mgof 2c-i is the best trip I've even found, and I've had a lot.
D.
I think that HellsEmbrace needs to do some research and decide what he wants out of the experience. Someone who says "what is the strongest you got, gimme that!" probably has not thought it out and is probably not in the best frame of mind for what he is asking. You need to consider, duration, health risks, set and setting, babysitter etc. By weight LSD is active around 200mcg, Salvinorin A 100mcg, DMT smoked around 30mg. These are pure compounds, the plants like dature have varying amounts of alkaloids. Atropine is one of the alkaloids in dature and it is active at 1-2mg and can kill you at 5-10mg. It is not as much the choice of drug you take but more of a choice of dosage. The dose is the poison.
I recomend mushrooms for a beginner, because they are safe (in most cases you cannot fitenough in your stomach to kill yourself)and any intensity level can be achieved with the proper dosage.
sands of time
08-01-2005, 01:42
Salvia extract can definately show you a crazy state of being that you will never be able to experience any other way, but it is a very short ride (3-5 minutes) and this doesn't give you much of a chance to explore. I would not recommend trying LSD if you are new but perhaps mushrooms would be a good starting point.
As for mushrooms... they're safe; as long as you pick the right kind.
Otherwise a long, painfull death might be at hand... try 9 days of
agoni in your local ICU...
As for the strongest trip I've taken, Nightshades, by far. Very strong,
Very scary. Can't remember mucho about it; I did spend 5 days in my
local ICU... so I really don't recomend it, tripping on your own death
is not fun.
I would recomend any mescaline containing catcus. Smooth, intense, visual, LONG, nice trip.
I'd reccomend mushrooms and lsd.
If you get the right dose you can have good fun and from expierences these are easier to control than other hallucinagenics
From what I know LSD is not exactly a hallucinogenic, but rather a
psychadelic drug. The difference lies in that it doesn't show you an
unexistent reality but rather shows you things you had in your mind
already by amplifing your emotions and distorting your senses. It
doesn't impose a happy mood, like xtc does; nor does it make you see
your self in places where you're not at, like mescaline [if you have an
outer body experience] or mushrooms. It simply changes the patterns by
wich you think and feel your already existing emotions. So it doesn't
really fit my definition of a hallucinogenic drug.
Do you agree?
Again I would have to say the dose is the poison. For LSD it is just a matter of dosage, between having just visual distortions or full on hallucinations. I would not recomend the nightshades to a beginner because the difference between visual distortions, hallucinations and death is small. I would also not recomend that a beginner "pick" mushrooms. Mushrooms would be one of thesafest, providing they are correctlyidentified.LSD is also very safe, at least physically, even at high doses. Salvia is available but the extract, smoked,can be scary with just a bit too much. The big question is what is available to you. If your choice is limitless do your research and figure out what you want. Actually that should be your standard course of action, research anything new you put into your body.
I would still recommend mushrooms because of general availability and safety and LSD second.
Properly picked mushrooms are one of the safest ways to go. As long as you pick the right ones...
LSD can be a good choice. I wouldn't recomend anything above 100mics for your first trip.
Peyote or other mescaline containing catci could be another good
choice, much more "spiritual", "closer to God" feeling than LSD, it's
very safe to pick [unlike shrooms]... you can even buy san pedro
legally online... very visual, intense, and safe [bad trip wise; you
might see scary stuff, but it just doesn't feel like a real threat to
you]...
Any of these three would certainly change the way you percieve reality.
On the other hand...
Nightshade is one of the most dangerous drugs no matter how much
experience you have. It can induce coma even at very low dosages. Even
if you don't go into a coma, the trip can only be described as a
nightmare
aMorphius
19-01-2005, 05:56
"I'm thinking LSD, but are shrooms more potent?* Mescaline?* What's the
best way to trip the strongest, basically?"
Looks like we need some definitions here. Such as what do we mean by
"potent" and "trip the strongest". Potent would seem to mean; what is the
smallest dose to create the greatest effect. Supposedly LSD has the
smallest dose to produce hallucinations of all synthetic drugs, while
Salvinorian A has the smallest does of all the naturally occuring ones.
There are probably synthetic derivatives of both that would work at even
smaller doses.
Regarding the "strongest" experience, both DMT type chemicals as well as
Salvinorian A alledgedly produce the "shot out of a rocket" effect. Short
acting but very very intense.
Well that's my two cents worth.
the strongest hallucinogen by strenght/weight is definitely acid... take 1 miligram and you'll never come back...
If the question goes to wich one gives you a harder trip at a tolerable
dosage, then I'll say mushrooms or peyote... a 3 day trip to a higher
plane, or a little time traveling can really be a trip...
The average dose of LSD is about 200mcg (micrograms). In the 60's the average dose was about 500mcg. I have taken 9 hits at one time and if they were 200mcg then I took 1.8mg and I came back. I know someone that Ate a sheet (actually 94 hits/ a sheet is 100) and if 200mcg was the average dose then he took 18.8mg. the LD50( dosage at which half the subjects die) are:
46mg/kg I.V. for mice,16.5mg/kg and .3mg/kg rabbits I.V. these are introveinous so it would be higher through the stomach. The LD50 for humans has not been found to my knowledge.
Keep in mind this is mg/kg.
But again the dose is the poison, meaning the strenght of anything is deteremined by it's dosage. 1mg smoked dmt does nothing.
aMorphius
23-01-2005, 09:00
Looks like there is a new contender for "most potent" psychedelic drug!
It's called bromo dragonFly. The "dragonfly" comes from the part of the
chemical structure that looks like a dragonfly. Apparently it is a chemical
mutant of LSD, MDA and 2C-B. This "mutant" looks like it could open up a
whole new family of psychoactive agents.
For now it seems like these agents are mostly hypothetical untill a new
Dr. Shulgin comes along to explore them.
The average dose of LSD is about 200mcg
(micrograms). In the 60's the average dose was about
500mcg. I have taken 9 hits at one time and if they were 200mcg
then I took 1.8mg and I came back. I know someone that Ate a
sheet (actually 94 hits/ a sheet is 100) and if 200mcg was the average
dose then he took 18.8mg. the LD50( dosage at which half the subjects
die) are:
46mg/kg I.V. for mice,16.5mg/kg and .3mg/kg rabbits I.V. these
are introveinous so it would be higher through the stomach. The LD50
for humans has not been found to my knowledge.
Keep in mind this is mg/kg.
But again the dose is the poison, meaning the strenght of anything
is deteremined by it's dosage. 1mg smoked dmt does nothing.I
undestand that the mayor problem they encountered when trying to use
lsd clinically -back in the 60s- was that they couldn't determine the
exact amount for an OD. The problem is, you don't need to OD in order
to "not make it back" in a psichiatric way. you might even take a one
way ticket with small dosages, but as the dosage increases so does the
chance of doing irreversible damage to your psyque. The kind of damage
that usually comes from a really bad trip.
I'm glad you made it back, but that doesn't mean that coming back is warratied at such high dosages.
If you're concerned about "not coming back" you might want to read some of Stanislav Grof's books, he helped out a lot of people who couldn't find their way back, and is generally recognized as an authority in the field of LSD psychotherapy. You'll find many articles and even some of his books available for download scattered across the web. You'll find some of it here www.druglibrary.org (http://www.druglibrary.org), as well as a lot of other writings by other authors.
I just read...
MMDA-2 is 10 times stronger than mescaline.
cool.
if you take a look at the potency of a drugs the strongest hallucinogens would be:
eth-lad (http://www.drugsinfo.net/tihkal/tihkal12.html): the most potent lsd analogue, 20µg can already be felt.
salvinorine-a works around 200-500µg, also very strong.
and the newest compound, bromo dragonfly (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6506&PN=1) seems to be active at similar dosages.
generich201
26-01-2005, 17:42
I would have to throw dob on there too that was the strongest i ever done. from whatI here bromo dragonfly going to be something
Alquimista
30-01-2005, 04:12
SWIM has tried many different substances but the most intense trip comes from Datura - he dosent recommend it to anyone who isnt already insane though.
just listening to the name of the datura family gives me a chill down the spine...
I still think that the strongest "experience" is almost anything with the propper dose. Too little of the strongest most potent is still nothing compared to too much of the weakest. . . The dose is the poison.
The problem with the original question is that there is no mention of quantity. Yes, mushrooms are more powerful than LSD if you have good mushrooms and take a lot, but one or two grams of good mushrooms is not better that one hit of good acid, but if the acid is bad or if there is a low quantity on the blotter then maybe not.
albydamned
19-02-2005, 19:21
I think pcp is the best drug to halucinate on some pcp and some pot and you are good to go
Lacognac69
22-02-2005, 07:20
I'm curious about this so called "nightshade". Someone mentioned it in a post awhile ago saying "Nightshade is one of the most dangerous drugs no matter how much experience you have. It can induce coma even at very low dosages". So im wondering what exactly this stuff is. Also is datura avaibable to purchase online or the stuff to make ayahuasca, i havn't looked too much into it yet. Both these things sound pretty crazy, and im not sure i would want to experience them but, they are very interesting to read about.
Nightshade or Deadly Nightshade is Atropa belladonna and the active alkaloids are Hyoscyamine and Atropine. You can read about it, Datura and ayahuasca here: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml
i think that in this discussion if ANY THING has been discovered it is
that everyone has their own opinions, some people take 2/8 of shrooms
and feel nothing. while others somke pot and trip
so every ones body workds differently, but for a good legal high that will blitz your mind, salvia extract.
billbong
10-04-2005, 12:05
if you want the most intense try a short duration if u like u can always have more. If your looking for a major mindfuck and the strongest imo of the 2 5-meo-dmt. If you wanna hallucinate more go dor dmt. I would REALLY recommend prev experiences with at least sum psychedelic experience first though. Maybe try salvia extract aswell.What did you choose???
the army's BZ is a "super-hallucinogen"
<H2>BZ Bombs Away</H2>
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<TD width=400>During the early 1960s Edgewood Arsenal, headquarters of the US Army Chemical Corps, received an average of four hundred chemical "rejects" every month from the maior American pharmaceutical firms. Rejects were drugs found to be commercially useless because of their undesirable side effects. Of course, undesirable side effects were precisely what the army was looking for.
It was from Hoffmann-La Roche in Nutley, New Jersey, that Edgewood Arsenal obtained its first sample of a drug called quinuclidinyl benzilate, or BZ for short. The army learned that BZ inhibits the production of a chemical substance that facilitates the transfer of messages along the nerve endings, thereby disrupting normal perceptual pattems. The effects generally lasted about three days, although symptoms--headaches, giddiness, disorientation, auditory and visual hallucinations, and maniacal behavior--could persist for as long as six weeks. "During the period of acute effects," noted an army doctor, "the person is completely out of touch with his environment."
Dr. Van Sim, who served as chief of the Clinical Research Division at Edgewood, made it a practice to try all new chemicals himself before testing them on volunteers. Sim said he sampled LSD "on several occasions." Did he enjoy getting high, or were his acid trips simply a patriotic duty? "It's not a matter of compulsiveness or wanting to be the first to try a material," Sim stated. "With my experience I am often able to change the design of future experiments.... This allows more comprehensive tests to be conducted later, with maximum effective usefulness of inexperienced volunteers. I'm trying to defeat the compound, and if I can, we don't have to drag out the tests at the expense of a lot of time and money." With BZ, Dr. Sim seems to have met his match. "It zonked me for three days. I kept falling down and the people at the lab assigned someone to follow me around with a mattress. I woke up from it after three days without a bruise." For his efforts Sim received the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service and was cited for exposing himself to dangerous drugs "at the risk of grave personal injury."
According to Dr. Solomon Snyder, a leading psychopharmacologist at Johns Hopkins University, which conducted drug research for the Chemical Corps, "The army's testing of LSD was just a sideshow compared to its use of BZ." Clinical studies with EA-2277 (the code number for BZ) were initiated at Edgewood Arsenal in 1959 and continued until 1975. During this period an estimated twenty-eight hundred soldiers were exposed to the superhallucinogen. A number of military personnel have since come forward claiming that they were never the same after their encounter with BZ. Robert Bowen, a former air force enlisted man, felt disoriented for several weeks after his exposure. Bowen said the drug produced a temporary feeling of insanity but that he reacted less severely than other test subjects. One paratrooper lost all muscle control for a time and later seemed totally divorced from reality "The last time I saw him," said Bowen, "he was taking a shower in his uniform and smoking a cigar." During the early 1960s the CIA and the military began to phase out their in-house acid tests in favor of more powerful chemicals such as BZ, which became the army's standard incapacitating agent. By this time the superhallucinogen was ready for deployment in a grenade, a 750-pound cluster bomb, and at least one other large-scale bomb. In addition the army tested a number of other advanced BZ munitions, including mortar, artillery, and missile warheads. The superhallucinogen was later employed by American troops as a counterinsurgency weapon in Vietnam, and according to CIA documents there may be contingency plans to use the drug in the event of a major civilian insurrection. As Major General William Creasy warned shortly after he retired from the Army Chemical Corps, "We will use these things as we very well see fit, when we think it is in the best interest of the US and their allies."
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nanobrain
21-04-2005, 10:32
^BZ is a superdeliriant not a super-hallucinogen. dont fuck around with anticholinergics.
for sheer psychedelic potency, DOTFM-Dragonfly may prove strongest.
BTW, what's up with the SWIM thing? you SWIM, i SWIM, he SINKS? everyone knows its you, the cops on this forum included.
um, did i say do not fuck around with anticholinergics?
enquirewithin
21-04-2005, 11:12
Looks like there is a new contender for "most potent" psychedelic drug!
It's called bromo dragonFly. The "dragonfly" comes from the part of the
chemical structure that looks like a dragonfly. Apparently it is a chemical
mutant of LSD, MDA and 2C-B. This "mutant" looks like it could open up a
whole new family of psychoactive agents.
For now it seems like these agents are mostly hypothetical untill a new
Dr. Shulgin comes along to explore them.
I believe that Dr David Nichols and his team at Purdue University are</span>
expoloring them, but thay can't publish the results of human
biosassays, only with rats! He mentioned in an interview that they had
developed several. Nichols is a frind of Shulgins and (I think) one of
the characters in PIHKAL. Shulgin must be aware of these materials and
I have heard that the third book, QIKHAL/ THIQIHKAL (or whatever it
will be called) will deal with them. However, these seem to be very
long-acting drugs like DOB and DOM, so probably not for everyone.
yea right, new one one me, it's is classified structually asa glycolate anticholinergic compound related to atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine. Dispersal would be as an aerosolized solid (primarily for inhalation) or as agent dissolved in one or more solvents for ingestion or percutaneous absorption. i have only scene bz referenced as a "super-hallucinogen" when reading about mk-ultra and related projects. BZ causes peripheral nervous system (PNS) effects that in general are the opposite of those seen in nerve agent poisoning. Central nervous system (CNS) effects include stupor, confusion, and confabulation with concrete and panoramic illusions and hallucinations, and with regression to automatic "phantom" behaviors such as plucking and disrobing.
mushrooms are very strong with pronounced visual avctivity both open and closed eye. try doing an extract of some high qualitiy cubensis and that should totally blow you away for sure and if it doens'nt try taking some crushed syrin rue seed extractalong with it to poteniate it even more,, but be carefull cause the seed extract is an MAOI so watch what you eat prior to the trip and what what drugs you takeas well
nanobrain
24-04-2005, 02:20
effects include...regression to automatic "phantom" behaviors such as plucking and disrobing.
hheh, you know you are tripping balls when you are plucking...
may give a whole new answer as to why did the ckicken cross the road
1. DMT
2. LSD/Mescaline
3. 2C-E
feel free to disagree.
raven3davis
25-04-2005, 23:49
It really all just depends on dosage etc. LSD is very potent so you could take like 100 hits, which would be pretty damn powerful. On the other hand you could smoke some DMT, which will knock you on your arse for 30- minutes. Salvia is also extremely powerful, along with shrooms and mescaline. This question is really hard to answer because every psychadelic is different, and it is hard to say that one is more intense than the other. Level 5 shrooms trips are also insane. If you wanna trip your nuts off just eat a half ounce of indoor grown shrooms, several hits of acid, or 700mg mescaline. Shrooms would probably be the most reasonable choice because they are normally pretty easy to find. Finding LSD or mescaline will prove to be pretty difficult, atleast for me.
For me, its DXM - The 4th Plateau,
The 4th Plateau (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1880)
it is said that it doesnt matter how much you exactly take of a drug
when dosages are on an extremely high level (eg 50 or 100 hits of acid,
20 or 30g dried cubensis). but there is absolutely no reason to take
such quantities, although there seem to be people out there who did.
dxm isnt considered a hallucinogen btw.
Riconoen {UGC}
09-09-2006, 07:56
swim advises to stay the fuck away from daturs, it's a deliriant and yuou may up in the loony bin or worse. if you want to trip balls and lsd or a isnt enough use dmt since it's short acting.
In my opinon, bella donna/night shade is the most powerful hallucinogen. But it is poisonios in large doses, so i would be careful if you ever tired it. I suggest you start out with som shrroms, hen work your way up
Nagognog2
16-09-2006, 06:12
It is 'poisonous' at any dose. The amount required for delerient effects is very poisonous. The forum sincerely recommends you NEVER try it. And I personally recommend beating the shit out of anyone who ever gives this stuff tou\ kids as "A trip, dude!"
For further reading on such:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=117
Forthesevenlakes
16-09-2006, 07:44
Most atropine-type alkaloids are extremely toxic. Potent hallucinogens, yes, but let's just say it wasn't just the inquisitors in the middle ages who were killing off the witches using belladona...
Yeah i know its Belladonna is poisenios, but when taken in the right amount it can just be a pretty good hallucinogen/delierant. Yeah i wouldnt recomend any one trying it, because there a pretty good chance you'll die if you eat a lil too much. So DONT do it, its dangerous.
Nagognog2
17-09-2006, 03:45
If I hear one more comment that even slightly suggests a good time being had with nightshades - there will be Hell to pay. Don't like that? Sue me.
Hey man, why r u getting so worked up about this, i just said for NObody to try it, and you go off on me, im sorry if i offended u, i just wrote my opinion along with a warning and a "Dont do it", Im sure nobody is that dumb to go out and try to find sum night shade and ingest some (possible fatal) amount just because one person said it had hallucinogen propertys. And that was on my first reply, and then i warned them and said dont do it, so im pretty sure nobody here is gonna take sum nightshade for a while
Nagognog2
17-09-2006, 06:56
"but when taken in the right amount it can just be a pretty good hallucinogen/delierant."
Really. How old are you for real?
"but when taken in the right amount it can just be a pretty good hallucinogen/delierant."
Really. How old are you for real?
Why would age matter when it comes to drug, a fifty year old professor could be dumber that a high school drop out when dope is the subject. oh yeah and by the way i just turned 18 in July, r u happy?
HMMMMM, most powerfull hallucinogen, its a 4 way tie the way i see it
DMT, ibogaine, datura, salvia
anyone dare mixing these 4 together?????
El Calico Loco
05-10-2006, 22:21
heh heh heh...I love some of the combinations reports on Erowid: "LSD + Shrooms + Ketamine + Salvia + 5-MeO-DMT!!" I always think they must have forgotten to include ethanol and cannabis, because they must have been drunk and high when they decided to do such a thing. :D
ECL
(And then, of course, my test subject wants to try it. :rolleyes:)
dude/ette the shrooms that grow wild in shetland are as potent as any purchased in the DAM or over the net (before restrictions were applied obviously) .best washed down with a couple of measures of spicy rum or vodka this takes the nasty taste away lol
Although swia has herd this source. salvinorin A in nature is said to be nature's naturally strongest halluangen (ignore my spelling) as its measured in ugs the same as LSD.
Personally swia would say LSD but thats only because its measured in ugs comparing to even pure psilocybin which is measured in mgs. However boyo argued it purely depends on the persons own experience to what he/she see as more powerful. fact can state otherwise thou as in dosages.
peregrin23
18-11-2006, 08:30
Smoke 5mg of 5-MeO-DMT and you will be blown away ;D
Inecting sedatives and hallucinogens is one of those things that you DONT DO!! Especially IV!
DMT is not to be messed around with alright!
I have personally smoked 20mg 5-MeO-DMT before but that was crazy and I will NEVER do that again!
It is best to start small with Dmt because it is very potent and in higher doses can be dangerous.
ALWAYS have a trip sitter, this is very important!
A tripsitter is a good friend who will remain straight while you experience your trip and will help you in case you start to lose it and get scared! I cannot stress this enough, DMT can make you feel like you are dying..Without someone telling you that this is not true and 'Its all in yuor head" then it can be a truly horrific experience!!
If you are not an experienced Psychonaut then I do not suggest DMT, especially 5-MeO-DMT.
What does swiy mean when s/he says that high doses of DMT are dangerous?swim has certainly never heard this to be the case,in his or anyone elses experience,somthing to be approached with respect and a degree of caution certainly ,but the original question related to the most powerful ,and hands down,smoking a few crystals of spice would be swims recomendation,simply approach the experience with respect and love and all will be just lovely:)
Dj mOonShiNe
21-11-2006, 13:19
If I hear one more comment that even slightly suggests a good time being had with nightshades - there will be Hell to pay. Don't like that? Sue me.
SWIM knows this is nitpicking (slightly) but SWIM is a pedant.,
Nightshades: Tobacco, Mandrake, Potato, Tomato, Pepper, Eggplant.
and what about pituri.
while SWIM would strongly advise anyone against trying Brugmansia, or Datura sp. there are many other nightshades..
on the strongest hallucinogen,
SWIM would say DMT or Salvia D.
in terms of dose the undisputed strongest is LSD, but SWIM dont think thats what where talking about.
Nagognog2
21-11-2006, 15:57
Alright - solanaceous tropine-alkaloid producing plants.
One also needs to define 'hallucinogen.' LSD25 & cousins do not cause true hallucinations usually. The user is aware that what they are seeing is not real. A true hallucinogen causes a complete break with reality. Leaving the user/victim in a totally separate world.
For the later experience, I would have to pin the medal on BZ (quinuclidinyl benzilate) - a synthetic chemical designed by chemists working for the US military. It was stockpiled as an "incapacitating agent" up until the early 1990's when it was declassified. The US government then put their BZ on the open arms market. Containers with US markings were found in Bosnia. Apparently used by troops loyal to the Serbians.
Quinucldinyl benzilate is strongly active in doses of approx. 500mcg - making it nearly as potent as LSD25 on some scales. Though the effects are vastly different.
Phenethylamine 2C-G-5 is a very long laster with 32-48h journey.
I would say Tryptamine ETH-LAD is strong because of the little dose needed (20mcgs have a real effect).
Just would like to point out a serious lack of swims here. Second, quality LSD is hard to find as ibbjamin pointed out. Swim was luckey enough to find some good gel tabs awhile ago but they were spendy and he can't find them anymore. There is at least one email vender however that claims to stock it, look around you should find it.
coolman899
28-12-2006, 06:03
weed is.
will make SWIY trip out like crazy.
I stumbled across some DOC and my life is still changing!
If you have no connections, I suppose you could order 2C-E from the internet, and take a large dose. This will be sufficient to put you in a strange place for a little while. Otherwise, a strong LSD trip can be rather intense, yet, enjoyable, but finding quality LSD these days is tough work; as least I haven't been hearing of any.
enquirewithin
01-09-2007, 16:40
What are we talking about here?
(1) The most potent hallucinogen by weight (which is LSD-25);
(2) The most real hallucinations-- you talk to people who are not there (deleriants--atropine, BZ);
(3) All-encompassing surreal visuals, which have nothing to do with the everyday world (dissociatives, DMT, salvia);
(4) The longest -lasting hallucinogens (DOx series-- DOM, DOB, DOC, etc, deleriants).
Amphetamine psychosis can also produce some very vivid visual and auditory hallucinations.
El Calico Loco
02-09-2007, 20:39
I suspect the OP wanted information about (3).
I would add (5): a drug's ability to induce a life-changing experience. Swim tells me that 2C-E and DXM were excellent in that regard, while diphenhydramine and 5-MeO-DMT, though more powerful (in different ways), did nothing of the sort.
ECL