Ibogaine for alcohol addiction?

[Ellis D.]

Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine)

Outside Africa, iboga extracts as well as the purified alkaloid ibogaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine) are used in treating opiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate) addiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction). The therapy may last several days and upon completion the subject is generally no longer physically dependent. One methadone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone) patient said in the Dutch behind-the-news show Twee Vandaag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twee_Vandaag) that in just four days he reached a state that normally would have taken him three months, but without the agony. Evidence suggests that ibogaine may also help to interrupt addiction to alcohol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol) and nicotine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine). The pharmacological effects are rather undisputed with hundreds of peer reviewed papers in support but formal clinical studies have not been completed.

Wikipedia ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernanthe_iboga



SWIM was physically addicted to opiates and had a bad coke habit; SWIM went to a clinic in Mexico and was cured of his addiction over night. When SWIM was there he witnessed 3 other addicts (meth addict, an alcoholic, and another opiate/cocaine addict) rid themselves of their addiction to these substances over night (like SWIM). They were cured by this miracle shrub.

SWIM loves people, addicts deserve the freedom they once had and dream of. Ibogaine should be before any other treatment program for addicts, it works the best, and you quit with NO WITHDRAWAL. Tabernanthe Iboga is a cure for physical dependence on substances and even can cure hepatitis and herpes!

[dark12]

Interesting.
I had no idea there was a cure for herpes.

[Beeker]

The biggest problem with alcohol addiction is the withdrawal.

Just make sure you get a prescription for Librium (Chlordiazepoxide) before you stop drinking so there are no heeby-geebys and DTs. After that it just becomes an "all in the mind" problem to deal with.

SWIM would rather see someone detox with librium for 2 weeks with a light dose of a tryptamine to set some things right with SWYMs ego then just bashing a person with a near death so they love life again.

[moda00]

There is plenty of info on iboga on DF, but as far as posting in the alcohol sub-forum, perhaps you could provide a bit more information on ibogaine treatment as it specifically relates to alcohol addiction??

I also agree with the warning stated, that while opiate addiction is painful, it is not generally life threatening, whereas alcohol withdrawal can be, with serious complications like seizures. It is important if promoting this to cover the basis for believing it is helpful, and the precautions and risks necessary.

I would also appreciate if the OP could share more about swiy's own experiences with it!! Thanks! I am really glad it was successful for swiy, but want to emphasize that with addiction treatment, what works for one may not work for others. It is one thing to share one's positive experiences, and beliefs, but please be careful not to make sweeping generalizations without posting the basis for them. Addiction is a battle and there is no one cure that fits for everyone, or a miracle that will banish it once and for all, but I am again so glad that for swiy iboga did indeed have great success. Swim has no experience with it, and believes it sounds promising, so she doesn't mean to criticize it as a treatment option- just pointing out that when dealing with addiction, and with treatments that are not yet fully understood or developed, we have to be careful to present the information in a way that speaks to the reality of our experience without generalizing that in ways that cannot be supported. Thanks~

[Ellis D.]

There is plenty of info on iboga on DF, but as far as posting in the alcohol sub-forum, perhaps you could provide a bit more information on ibogaine treatment as it specifically relates to alcohol addiction??


I'm not 100% sure what you mean. Ibogaine works well in ending addiction to Alcohol, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Opiates/Opioids(except Suboxone/Buprenex), Nicotine, and Caffeine.

Ibogaine has also been tested for helping people with Hepatitis and Herpes and they were cured.


This shit's somethin' else is all I can say.

Ellis D. added 4 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

Correction, Ibogaine does work with Suboxone/Buprenex, however some clinics will not take people on these substances. I am not too sure why, but I think Ibogaine might not work as well with these drugs.

[Richard_smoker]

i've been wondering about its effectiveness with buprenorphine.

i'm not surprised, really. the withdrawal from subutex is not really like the other opiates. Seems to be less of a fiending-type event, and more of a forever-long-drawn-out case of feeling too lethargic and groggy to get off the couch...and i swear i think it's half-life on the receptor sites (inhibition) alone must be 3 weeks long.

yes, i already know what its actual 1/2 life is...but there's something fishy going on with those receptor sites for upwards of a month. maybe even 2 months. -DICK

[Ellis D.]

SWIM would rather see someone detox with librium for 2 weeks with a light dose of a tryptamine to set some things right with SWYMs ego then just bashing a person with a near death so they love life again.


It's nothing like near death. And it has very little to do with ego....If you don't know what you're talking about then keep your mouth shut. Someone might take you seriously.

[Micklemouse]

Ellis D., please calm down - there is much about the iboga experience that suggests the states & concerns that Beeker brings up. Please bear in mind that his concerns reflect the serious (read - "potentially deadly") nature of alcohol detoxification - a badly managed detox can lead to status epilepticus (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=163150&highlight=status+epilepticus#post163150) which can & does kill. Bottom line - don't try this at home kittlings, unless already successfully embarked upon or preferrably completed a chlordiazepoxide or diazepam withdrawal. While it may break the addictive cycle for a time, there is no reason I have seen to be believe that Iboga would safely deal with 100% of withdrawal symptoms in 100% of subjects. I now it is done at various centres - doesn't make it kosher though. I would like to see some literature to convince me that Iboga acts upon the centres that are excited during a detox.

I would also like to some non-Wiki proof for the claims that Iboga cures herpes & hepatitis.

[0utrider]

works as well for alcohol add. look here for more info
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71455&highlight=iboga