International - Bilderberg group, conference

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"The Bilderberg Group or Bilderberg conference is an unofficial annual invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of business, media and politics."
The elite basically (behind closed doors) discuss the state of affairs. At the meetings and conferences, the media is looked down upon and not welcomed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberger

Journalist D. Estulin has covered much of what this group is about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Estulin

Books by Daniel Estulin
The Bilderberg Group
http://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bil...9070196&sr=8-1
Los Secretos Del Club Bilderberg/ the Secrets of Club Bilderberg
http://www.amazon.com/Los-Secretos-C...9070196&sr=8-3

Familiar with Bilderberg Group?

[Alfa]

Is this actual? I mean is there such a conference coming and is it about drugs or was this just a general remark?

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Is this actual? I mean is there such a conference coming and is it about drugs or was this just a general remark?

more info http://www.bilderberg.org/

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Bilderberg: The ultimate conspiracy theory
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm

[fnord]

key word here is theory...

not saying im not a believer,just pointing it out.

[Alfa]

So what's the point of this thread?

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Exposure.
What does Swim think this conference is about?

Originally Posted by fnord

key word here is theory...
not saying im not a believer,just pointing it out.

Yea it's unfortunate that people are misled to believe the corporate media is truthful. Look elsewhere (within), the uncouth media is not going to give you answers.
http://www.infowars.com/

[fnord]

What does Swim think this conference is about?

control of the world media,and pushing power from governments and into the hand of multi national corporations,what else?

while yes im sure they are against the use of drugs globally and would probably be discussing enacting laws against such use i dont see much this has to do with this forum,so maybe this thread could be moved to some for all,or better yet you can make an informative sigline with usefull links so others can learn about this.

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this news clip explains alot... it's on cnn (london)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...h&plindex =28

[Donny Devito]

familar? yes. is the group wrong? perhaps. what can we do about it? nothing or not much or a great deal? what do you think?

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Swim thinks/sees that most people are conditioned to misbelieve that the masses can't influence what happens to us in the future. People letting their intelligence shine know that if people work together, our destiny is liberation. ie, individuals (specifics) can make a difference; together, we can make a change.

Originally Posted by Donny Devito

what can we do about it? nothing or not much or a great deal? what do you think?

Is up the group benign? Most likely not.
Is the Bilderberg group purely evil; to some extent, probably not. But many who attend the Bilderberg conference follow the same nefarious agenda =
international and supra-governmental domination of the world, which is primarily controlled by the corporations

So many people engage in double think that they do not know what hold true.
Know anyone like this?

"oh, I acknowledge that a New world Order is taking form, but I will not think or talk about so I can misled myself to believing that is not true."

The elite are trying to shape up a world where the people serve the corporations. It is "a big idea, a New World Order"

As Noam Chomsky said, it is a "poor system"
As Bill Hicks said, "And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between *fear and love*. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as *one*. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore *space*, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

[FuBai]

Do you have any proof that this is not simply a frank political conference where those invited can speak freely with no fear of being reported or misrepresented in the press? Because it's exactly the sort of thing that I would want to do if I had some influence - shut the press out and speak freely. It could be a giant conspiracy - but the world could be controlled by an owl headed demon with a penchant for Moon cake.

"can we do anything about it" - the real question is should we be able to do anything about it. We are all entitled to our own privacy, no matter what our political or social standing is. This is a group of private individuals having a chat - it doesn't pass laws, it doesn't have any formal power whatsoever and as such is not something we should attempt to pry into, much like we wouldn't wander into someone's garden and stand with our faces pressed against the windows to see what the occupants are doing.

5 or more humans can barely work together and agree as it is, let alone a conspiracy of 130+ people, some of whom change every year - in fact I saw as much written on someone's signature on this forum - "Three people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead." If this thinking still somehow passes you by then apply Occam's Razor - is the simplest reason that it is a giant world conspiracy to ensure humanity at large's slavery to the corporate machine or is it a chat between powerful people who would quite like to meet each other and make connections?

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Originally Posted by FuBai

Do you have any proof that this is not simply a frank political conference where those invited can speak freely with no fear of being reported or misrepresented in the press?

You already have blown your "concern" by showing your provincial perspective, when you start it off …proof… (it's not compatible here)
We are not dealing in mathematics; these are behaviors, not relationships between numbers. As such physical and behavioral sciences deal with evidence; and yea, if one looks, he/she will find a boatload of credible evidence (have to pan out the David Icke) that clearly indicates the nefarious elite are up to *no*good, in the most widespread sense.

Originally Posted by FuBai

Because it's exactly the sort of thing that I would want to do if I had some influence - shut the press out and speak freely. It could be a giant conspiracy - but the world could be controlled by an owl headed demon with a penchant for Moon cake.

No, I think you have got it backward (possibly on purpose); Doesn’t the satanic elite worships the forty-foot owl?
Swim does not get you, man. Those are some crooked aspirations that you have. God bless your soul
If people who have those kinds of positions were good; why would they feel that they have to maintain secrecy?

Originally Posted by FuBai

5 or more humans can barely work together and agree as it is

So I take it you are not a musician? Even participated at a jazz performance? Think you would have that pessimistic point of view if you did play music?

Originally Posted by FuBai

"Three people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead." If this thinking still somehow passes you by then apply Occam's Razor - is the simplest reason that it is a giant world conspiracy to ensure humanity at large's slavery to the corporate machine or is it a chat between powerful people who would quite like to meet each other and make connections?

Unknowing Satanists can be the most dangerous; and we are not supposed to divert the issues

It's just not the Bilderbergs, it's Bohemian grove, trilateral com. security and properity act (North American Union) it's skull and bones, the masons, illuminati, CIA (an illuminati shot off) these are only some; there are so many more, I have heard that British intelligence agencies are just as evil as the US's
Dark Secrets in Bohemian grove
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

[fnord]

Unknowing Satanists? could you explain this to me?ive heard a few people talking about conspiracy theories and satanist lately.

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there are varying degrees of what is being called Unknowing Satanist
one extreme: a totally mind controlled person; these children are ritually abused (before the child starts to develop a sense of ego) by satanists and the practice is carried onto their children, without any rational thinking, they beat the program into their children; because the program is so intense; they ritually abuse their children as if it was second nature; because the parents know "nothing different." Our psychological makeup can't handle such tramatic experiences, so the mind fragments itself. ie, a person would shows symptoms of Dissociative identity disorder, MPD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissoci...ntity_disorder
DID does not come out any other way than beside systematic sexual, physical, and spiritual abuse

low ranking (1-3) degree masons, which most masons are in the first, second, and third degree???
Attendees of Bohemenian grove, those just entering into the club

on the other end of the spectrum is a fanatic of Marx
I use to appreciate Marxism; but communism is still an authoritarian establishment

Marx was a *fraud*; plenty of evidence shows that he was funded German bankers

Marx was a God-hater; his work clearly shows it
Research Oulanem - a poem where Marx plays Lucifer, written by him

In "German Ideology" Marx referred to God in Hegelian terms as the Absolute Spirit. Marx opined, "we are concerned with a highly interesting question: the decomposition of the Absolute Spirit."(77) Another poem he wrote,

“Then I will be able to walk triumphantly,
Like a god, through the ruins of their kingdom.
Every word of mine is fire and action.
My breast is equal to that of the Creator”

“If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool power-seeking megalomaniacs… Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite.” Gary Allen

“Communism is not [and never was] a creation of the masses to overthrow the Banking establishment, but rather a creation of the Banking establishment to overthrow and enslave the people.”-Anthony J. Hilder

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1121228/posts


THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED: A SYNOPSIS

Evidence already published by George Katkov, Stefan Possony, and Michael Futrell has established that the return to Russia of Lenin and his party of exiled Bolsheviks, followed a few weeks later by a party of Mensheviks, was financed and organized by the German government.1 The necessary funds were transferred in part through the Nya Banken in Stockholm, owned by Olof Aschberg, and the dual German objectives were: (a) removal of Russia from the war, and (b) control of the postwar Russian market.2

1Michael Futrell, Northern Underground (London: Faber and Faber, 1963); Stefan Possony, Lenin: The Compulsive Revolutionary (London: George Allen & Unwin, 1966); and George Katkov, "German Foreign Office Documents on Financial Support to the Bolsheviks in 1917," International Affairs 32 (Royal Institute of International Affairs, 1956).

2Ibid., especially Katkov.

That’s the just the intro to the article here.
http://reformed-theology.org/html/bo...apter_11.htm#1

http://www.amazon.com/Northern-under...7592843&sr=8-6

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/...?Article=Books
Chapter 7.2: Marx, Engels and the Socialist International
http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/...=FinalWarn07-2

World War 1 and Communism