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EarlGrayUK
23-08-2008, 02:17
It is humans who define what is a drug and what isn't. If there is a God, he created everything that exists and all possible combinations, but he probably won't care much about how we call them, sort them or schedule them ;)
The Dreamer
23-08-2008, 07:36
I should be less afraid of the idea of God. To some extent I still miss Him from the unhealthy part of my life. Come on; eternal life and people not being assholes! He was a pretty nice guy whenever I was imagining Him in my head. But when I let other people imagine Him for me; that's when I got into trouble.
Now when my cat imagined him he saw things like the things he sees now with his friends Mary and Sally and all the others. Good things like understanding love respect for peace and the environment. Those are the things that Mary talks to him about too. If you ask my kat about God and Drugs he says that he thinks they're old buddies. Most of us have just forgotten.
But sometimes I think my kat goes a bit beyond the evidence. Perhaps it's just the drugs.
passer-by
23-08-2008, 19:57
Well because if person goes to Bible School then Jesus will talk to them through a plastic glow in the dark statue directly. It proves to Jesus that you are worthy to hear him talk. He likes to talk through things. But he can also make the sky rumble and bushes burn and stuff like that.
I have a feeling you write this stuff just to get reactions.
I have a feeling you write this stuff just to get reactions.
No I never do that. Just check my posting history. But the thing is when a person cannot see through an obviously joking remark and questions my sanity I have to say something.:laugh:
I should be less afraid of the idea of God. To some extent I still miss Him from the unhealthy part of my life. Come on; eternal life and people not being assholes! He was a pretty nice guy whenever I was imagining Him in my head. But when I let other people imagine Him for me; that's when I got into trouble.
Now when my cat imagined him he saw things like the things he sees now with his friends Mary and Sally and all the others. Good things like understanding love respect for peace and the environment. Those are the things that Mary talks to him about too. If you ask my kat about God and Drugs he says that he thinks they're old buddies. Most of us have just forgotten.
But sometimes I think my kat goes a bit beyond the evidence. Perhaps it's just the drugs.It's just the drugs. Haven't you heard; Christ is our salvation. They tell you this in church. Gush... if only someone had seen this fellow, but they only wrote about him a long time ago. Oh well, better take some drugs, they are real that you know deep in your heart. Amen.
God is what can't be proven by science. It's the quality in everything that causes biological organisms (among oter things) to feel they exist rather than just exist. It's infinite and boundaryless, impossible to capture; the present moment. No future, no past, just one infinite moment.
Well because if person goes to Bible School then Jesus will talk to them through a plastic glow in the dark statue directly. It proves to Jesus that you are worthy to hear him talk. He likes to talk through things. But he can also make the sky rumble and bushes burn and stuff like that.lol what a wicked badass god?
Proof that natural psychedelics are a gift from God:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2vAKmbuvY Plus many more videos.
Proof that natural psychedelics are a gift from God:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2vAKmbuvY Plus many more videos.
Yeah...I've seen this kid. The Jesus mushroom preacher. He had a video on Youtube where he was preaching out of the Bible about mushrooms and he looked totally all wacked out on something. Unfortunately he took that video off.
Mona Lisa
23-08-2008, 22:35
Would have thought God's opinion would depend on what SWIY's intentions were. If SWIY was merely trying to get 'fucked' and was being blatantly self-destructive, then SWIM believes God would hate that. But if SWIY was taking drugs on occassion to celebrate life, especially for contemplative or community-building purposes, He would then see at least some positives.
passer-by
25-08-2008, 08:47
Lobsang:
I had a feeling you were kidding; it's just that you never know with some people. Sorry, I'm a newbie.
EarlGrayUK
25-08-2008, 18:11
Like I said, it's humans defining drugs. Is a drinking a cup of coffee taking a drug? Some say vitamins are drugs, the FDA wanted them to be treated as such. So is eating an Orange taking a drug? Is eating a coca leaf a drug? Eating a part of a plant that God created that way?
We can't say what God would say to taking drugs, because we don't know his intentions. If the bible is true, then taking drugs is fine because it doesn't interfere with the basic rules. Some people had great insights when taking drugs. Their life became better. Surely God can't be against that?
passer-by
26-08-2008, 18:52
In compliance with EarlGreyUK: there are so many psychoactive chemicals, some are weak, some are strong, nicotine is of the weaker variety, as with caffeine. Certainly the God described in the Bible wouldn't shun the weakest of the psychoactives, which are drugs. Certainly the God as seen by billions wouldn't have a double standard for the weaker and stronger of the substances.
But who's to say we know anything? We don't know a THING.
EarlGrayUK
26-08-2008, 20:55
Like John Lennon said: "God is concept by which we measure our pain". The thing is, that if a God exists and he is so allmighty and allknowing, he would be beyond anything we could understand. So not only are we making up the rules for us, for what is a drug, we also made up what we call God. The question "Does God agree with drugs" bascially means: Does something we made up agree with something we have defined ourselves. :s
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/wastedmitch/jesus.jpg:eek::eek::eek:
passer-by
02-09-2008, 16:22
The question "Does God agree with drugs" bascially means: Does something we made up agree with something we have defined ourselves.
And that my friend is a perfect closing line for such a useless thread.
Cosmonaut
02-09-2008, 17:10
It's swims personal belief that G-d doesn't care whether or not I do drugs provided I don't commit immoral acts while on them or for them such as stealing, killing, etc. and provided I don't cause great physical harm to myself.
Nature Boy
02-09-2008, 17:20
You know, there are very good reasons as to why psychoactives work the way they do and they are far more sophisticated and complete answers than any notion of a personalised god who judges whether their use is right or wrong. Many natural psychoactives are plant defence mechanisms that confuse or kill their habitat's predators whether they be small insects or more advanced mammals. As humans, we have the luxury of exploring these natural psychoactives having never encountered them in our evolutionary history which results in a plethora of different effects. Our highly-developed brains and nervous systems, much like our ridiculously recreationally-geared sex organs, have a great ability to absorb a drug and derive physical pleasure from it. So whether it's right or wrong isn't even an issue. It's only wrong if it ruins your body and mind but it's only especially wrong when it ruins the bodies and minds of others as a direct result of your actions.
We're not the only animals that enjoy getting high from natural drugs. Wild cats chew on catnip and get very high, so many other animals that enjoy getting stoned. I'll see if I can find something on it.
Ahh here we go.
According to Ronald K. Siegel, a pharmacologist who has studied intoxication in animals, it is common for animals deliberately to experiment with plant toxins; when an intoxicant is found, the animal will return to the source repeatedly, sometimes with disastrous consequences.
Cattle will develop a taste for locoweed that can prove fatal; bighorn sheep will grind their teeth to useless nubs scraping a hallucinogenic lichen off ledge rock. Siegel suggests that some of these adventurous animals serves as our Virgils in the garden of psychoactive plants. Goats, who will try a little bit of anything, probably deserve credit for the discovery of coffee: Abyssinian herders in the tenth century observed that their animals would become particularly frisky after nibbling the shrub's bright red berries. Pigeons spacing out on cannabis seeds (a favorite food of many birds) may have tipped off the ancient Chinese (or Aryans or Scythians) to that plant's special properties. Peruvian legend has it that the puma discovered quinine: Indians observed that sick cats were often restored to health after eating the bark of the cinchona tree. Tukano Indians in the Amazon noticed that jaguars, not ordinarily herbivorous, would eat the bark of the yaje vine and hallucinate; the Indians who followed their lead say the yaje vine gives them "jaguar eyes".
oggy added 2 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...
Lemur gets high http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzaUA2-nHR4
The Dreamer
05-09-2008, 04:46
Since this thread has gone on so long and I feel inclined to post in it again even though I've already said my peace two or three times, I've taken the liberty of making this handy list of other radical answers to the question:
Does God agree with Drugs?
1. Yes, look around he's obviously on them.
2. No, God hates all things enjoyable.
3. No, He prefers to abuse us Himself.
4. Yes, Religion was invented by trippers.
And the number one offensive response to this post:
Yes He does. I know this because I am in fact His one and only begotten Son.
If god didn't want people to do drugs, he wouldn't have created them in the first place. No really, god is said to not be the temptor of mankind so he couldn't have put drugs here to tempt us. He stuck adam in a garden with every type of plant and animal and said, "have a good time". sobreity is a cruel invention of man.
If one can accept the thought that we are God's children, then it would be logical to assume that a persons active decision to do something they beleive is not exedingly harmful, malevolent or cruel, in relitivity to the good or potential effect for good that act would have, would infact be to some extent, accepted by God.
Realy that's a sprung question. Obviosly in a forum as such, next to everyone here will reply in something like "Yes he put (Insert organic narcotic) there so lets all get high!" or something to that effect. The real question people should considder is "Should God agree with drugs".
While drug use is dated back tens of thousands of years (Either animal or human consumption), can a person realy sepparate the good from bad in drugs, eg. Any recovering addict will explain the nutcracking grip that many substances can lead to, yet similar drugs may allow a terminally ill person to live out his last short days painfree. Would this be a example of a good or a bad substance?
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there is an equal balance of good & bad there is no right & wrong that can be summed up through any one or any thing from having eyes that can see or not, or consciousness that can think & pass judgement on to others. if you believe god is a person or not then he, she or it evolved or/and 'possibly' created every thing from evolution from having free will. the answers are around us every where proving this every second daily... if life was a cycle based on a paranormal higher powered personal judgement system you could be having more of a direct good or bad path with much less or more good & bad times.
if i stood on 20 ants today from not observing where i was walking with a magnifying glass will i be judged in an after life or tomorrow? 'they only ants' even though i love them.
if i intentionally killed some one who wanted to kill me or drove over & killed a pedestrian that slipped & fell in the road, will saying 10 hail marys take away my mortal sin? 'they were only humans'
if i ate the poisonous mushroom that looked like a psychedelic mushroom & similar to the button mushroom used for meals & died, would i be be judged for stupidity & ending my own life from searching for some thing that makes me feel good?
i think we all eventually screwed for all the gruesome enjoyment we extracting from the earth along with the fatalities of all the living beings that the food chain comprises of along with free will. fortunetly our time is now & the human race is not extinct yet.
drugs are the last of many's worries & the most of some god produces drugs in minamal amounts & humans restrict these amounts from being spread & distributed, so god is suffering from the production of these natural resources many need. so humans are playing a judgement godly role of holding god back from work to benefit humankind. silly humans stop judging & disrespecting 'god.' ask your self what would jesus do? :laugh:
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Nice one sylenth, another point is, would God judge any other animal on this planet for taking drugs? I think not.;)
RoboCodeine7610
12-09-2008, 04:39
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there is an equal balance of good & bad there is no right & wrong that can be summed up through any one or any thing from having eyes that can see or not, or consciousness that can think & pass judgement on to others. if you believe god is a person or not then he, she or it evolved or/and 'possibly' created every thing from evolution from having free will. the answers are around us every where proving this every second daily... if life was a cycle based on a paranormal higher powered personal judgement system you could be having more of a direct good or bad path with much less or more good & bad times.
if i stood on 20 ants today from not observing where i was walking with a magnifying glass will i be judged in an after life or tomorrow? 'they only ants' even though i love them.
if i intentionally killed some one who wanted to kill me or drove over & killed a pedestrian that slipped & fell in the road, will saying 10 hail marys take away my mortal sin? 'they were only humans'
if i ate the poisonous mushroom that looked like a psychedelic mushroom & similar to the button mushroom used for meals & died, would i be be judged for stupidity & ending my own life from searching for some thing that makes me feel good?
i think we all eventually screwed for all the gruesome enjoyment we extracting from the earth along with the fatalities of all the living beings that the food chain comprises of along with free will. fortunetly our time is now & the human race is not extinct yet.
drugs are the last of many's worries & the most of some god produces drugs in minamal amounts & humans restrict these amounts from being spread & distributed, so god is suffering from the production of these natural resources many need. so humans are playing a judgement godly role of holding god back from work to benefit humankind. silly humans stop judging & disrespecting 'god.' ask your self what would jesus do? :laugh:
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That gave me a lot to think about...
xxxSuSHixxx
12-09-2008, 06:32
Swipf Says "swipf is going to refrain from quoting the bible directly, although somewhere in there it says everything on gods earth is for man to use, but also having had this convorsation with another person, also it says something like.... "thou shalt not walk the streets as a drunkard" or something of the like, my personal opinion is that if there is a "god" or being that over sees us all, as long as we dont hurt any other people we should be in the path to whatever heaven awaits, ALTHOUGH, "your body is your temple" i remember that one, so maybe my temple is simpley very foggy from gods natural herbs. god is probably a woman, and probably is on high ammounts of DMT." however swipf is not religious persay, but perhaps a higher power does exist, swipf thinks he met her while on salvia, it was explained to swipf by this being, that the universe was a joke, and everything was perfectley alright.
This is swipfs first attempt to contribute something interesting and educational, or a good thing to read atleast, swipf hopes you enjoyed reading his thoughts on this subject.
I believe in a higher entity of some sort, but not "god" as depicted by most everybody else. So whether he agrees or not is irrelevant in my book.
The Dreamer
14-09-2008, 23:54
Another important question: does God agree with artificial turf?
amadeusstoner
15-09-2008, 02:13
I think the only thing we are obligated in life to do is to follow the natural law of our hearts. No matter what religion or race you are part off, the things that everyone considers wrong include lying, cheating, stealing, murderering, and so on. As long as drugs do not spur you to do any of these things then you are fine, and that doesn't just apply to drugs but anything.
Politicalchalk
17-09-2008, 22:40
Swim's "god of his understanding" is intimately linked with certain substances as healing and inherently spiritual, if not abused. The Hindus believe that marijuana is actually a gift from God.
Euthanatos93420
29-10-2008, 03:46
There cannot be a blanket yes or no.
That's like asking if God agrees with Guns because one can make the logical argument that a God endeavoring for peace amongst mankind does not agree with violence. Therefore said God must not agree with guns because their use is inherently violent.
The logical fallacy here is that the use of guns, while inherently violent, is not the REAL question that must be asked. Rather it is of the POSSESION of weapons. For in such possession one's peers will subsequently respect one for the fact that they hold weapons regardless of wether they agree with their USE. The respect garnered therein is the only deterrent against any third party interested in using, or threatening use of the same damn weapons (For said third party may or may not respect your God and his/her/it's mandates).
Therefore said God of Peace would logically support the the POSSESSION of such weapons, and even their violent USE in defense against such tyrants, terrorists, or sociopaths.
Same may be said of drugs. A hammer is a tool. You can use it for creative (And thus Godly) purposes. Or you can use it to bash someone's skull in.
God doesn't give two shits about dope. God cares only about YOU and your decisions. and ONLY YOU can be honest with yourself enough to listen to what God has to tell YOU about it.
Anyone claiming they know the way and can give you the way is bullshit. You can buy Satisfaction and Salvation. And you DEFINEately can't buy it from a HUman. Anyone claiming they can sell it you is bullshit. I don't give two flying fucks if they call it a "DONaTion" either. It means the same damn shit. They want your money, and promise you HARM-money(Harmony).
Futhermore, should you decide to lack the INTUITIVE decision making power about the God you believe IN. THEN said decision will be made for you, most likely by some jackass who has way to much SERPENT'S OIL for his own good and is trying like hell to convince you that the best snake oil in the world can only be found in some obscure location in the middle of the desert that just happens to be the site of some other person's GOD's TEMPle and that to go get SAID OIL cost lots and lots of money and war. But it's all about TIMING. Look at THEIR DATES and the religion of war. etc. etc.
I digress but it's all the same DOPE and people have been killing over it forever even though we could just grow it all and not hurt anyone over it. Because the real WAR ISN'T OVER dope IT IS over POSSESION OF YOUR MIND.
"The refusal to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
I digress but I don't...I PROGRESS because dope, war, politics, & MYnd are all related.
theacrobat
29-10-2008, 06:11
If there really was a god, then why would he have invented such things as drugs unless they were meant to be used?
Also, why is the brain capable of making us feel like we feel, and see what we see when taking drugs, I mean otherwise inachievable feelings/visions, unless god wanted us to be able to feel/see that way using drugs.
Just my 2 cents. ;)
I said it before but I stand by it. If god (assuming a judeo-christian type god) created this world he would not have put drugs into plants. It says in the Book that god does not tempt man and the devil is NEVER credited with creating ANYTHING, not even hell. It follows that god created marijuana, opium poppy, coca bush, magic mushrooms, and others. Since he created them and told us to use them (garden of eden, adam was told only ONE tree was off limits, all others were for mankinds use. it is assumed that the ONE tree was unique and is not a tree we would be able to access) then he must think it's o.k.
Of course, by the same arguement, god must also have created hell. A god who can create such a thing would certainly be capable of other atrocities...
I said it before but I stand by it. If god (assuming a judeo-christian type god) created this world he would not have put drugs into plants. It says in the Book that god does not tempt man and the devil is NEVER credited with creating ANYTHING, not even hell. It follows that god created marijuana, opium poppy, coca bush, magic mushrooms, and others. Since he created them and told us to use them (garden of eden, adam was told only ONE tree was off limits, all others were for mankinds use. it is assumed that the ONE tree was unique and is not a tree we would be able to access) then he must think it's o.k.
Yes, but did god mean us to eat poisoneus plants and kill ourselves, even if they exist?
I still think god agrees with whatever we feel in our heart right, ideally when we consider other humans as ourselves and ourselves as other humans. In reality it's a case-by-case call. If somebody is an asshole, he propably won't deserve the being treated the same as others. But sometimes it's a hard question if he is only a little ass, if he can change, or if you should start treating him like he has treated you. Doing the latter decision means you have consciously created a little grudge. You don't expect that person to behave better and became a part of a self-enforcing loop of resentment. If one is eager to take this route, then minor misunderstandings can lead to a snowball effect.
That is, my god is not a judeo-christian one, but a very vaguely defined concept which manifests it's beauty in the benevolent forces in the universe and has the most absolute nature shown in the complex interplay of the whole universe, the universal consciousness if you will.
Cryptic Concoction
17-11-2008, 20:59
It is my honest opinion that drugs are neither intrinsically good nor bad. Such categorizations are merely value judgments that reflect the established values of a culture and the subjective reality of a person.
However, as they exist independently of our minds and our perceptions, they simple are. The consequences of these drugs will be a function of intent, method, purpose, and a throng of other factors and variables that may or may not be able to be measured quantitatively or qualitatively.
The codification of these consequences will be largely derived from the pre-existing structure of the mind, its malleable flesh molded by preconception into what is perceived as value.
I do not see drugs as inherently "right" or "wrong," as such concepts are constructs of our minds. We have prescribed such titles to them, and whether or not this prescription is guided by a divine entity or merely the nature of the human mind is a debate beyond myself.
libertalism
17-11-2008, 21:40
There is no god. But if there was then why the fuck would someone who is powerfull enough to create entire universums even care what we do? And if we are supose to lead a "good" life why didn't it create us to act that way all the time? Just to fuck us over and to have a good laugh with all of our tiny problems? I think i'l change my first statement.
There is no god and if there is a god then i don't care about it and it doesn't care about me so we are both fine with that :).
About drugs being good or bad : Wel if you want to function in a society then drugabuse is bad , and if you don't care about this society ( we are free and we don't need to be in this society ) then even abuse is ok , its just what you want to do with your life and what you want to accomplish. If your goal is to live as long as possible you might wonna avoid certain types of drugs.
Euthanatos93420
17-11-2008, 23:07
I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors but I think that God's got a sick sense of humor and when I die I expect to find him laughing.
It doesn't bother me really. I've developed a pretty sick sense of humor myself. But maybe that's just Subordinate Identification.
Blu_berrytoke
17-11-2008, 23:18
I'm also going to agree that there is no god, at least not in the sense that organized religion depicts him...or her, or it.
I believe in some kind of force or power at work here, but it doesn't expect us to follow the stautes of some longdead jewish guy who claimed to be gods son.
And as far as the moral issue is concerned, drugs in general are good natural things put on this earth for a reason, to be used. It's how you use them that makes the difference.
If you live to get fucked up, then drugs are probably not the best choice for you. But, like you would use them to help a physical ailment, when used to help with a mental ailment or inbalance, or simply to understand something you wouldn't be able to without, they can be the most effective tool out there. Better than any shrink, or religious leader who in the end, seem to make a lot of things alot worse.
That's my 2cents on the matter.:crazy
And like euthanatos said, drugs are just another of the many tools available to us homo sapiens, its how we use them that counts.
complete_stoner
25-11-2008, 19:39
yeah god made animals as well as plants. that includes marijuana which is natural ofcourse. therfore he made one of the most commonly used drugs, so ofcourse. even things like shrooms and salvia, etc. God gave us drugs
NoLaurelTree000
12-12-2008, 05:47
I said it before but I stand by it. If god (assuming a judeo-christian type god) created this world he would not have put drugs into plants. It says in the Book that god does not tempt man and the devil is NEVER credited with creating ANYTHING, not even hell. It follows that god created marijuana, opium poppy, coca bush, magic mushrooms, and others. Since he created them and told us to use them (garden of eden, adam was told only ONE tree was off limits, all others were for mankinds use. it is assumed that the ONE tree was unique and is not a tree we would be able to access) then he must think it's o.k.
Of course, by the same arguement, god must also have created hell. A god who can create such a thing would certainly be capable of other atrocities...
Yes, but did god mean us to eat poisoneus plants and kill ourselves, even if they exist?
I still think god agrees with whatever we feel in our heart right, ideally when we consider other humans as ourselves and ourselves as other humans. In reality it's a case-by-case call. If somebody is an asshole, he propably won't deserve the being treated the same as others. But sometimes it's a hard question if he is only a little ass, if he can change, or if you should start treating him like he has treated you. Doing the latter decision means you have consciously created a little grudge. You don't expect that person to behave better and became a part of a self-enforcing loop of resentment. If one is eager to take this route, then minor misunderstandings can lead to a snowball effect.
That is, my god is not a judeo-christian one, but a very vaguely defined concept which manifests it's beauty in the benevolent forces in the universe and has the most absolute nature shown in the complex interplay of the whole universe, the universal consciousness if you will.
but you guys are forgetting that there were 2 creations in a sense. there was the original creation by god, and the subsequent creation by satan after the fall of man, when thorns and weeds and such came into play.
what you need to do is determine when marijuana, mushrooms, peyote, etc came into existence. the "first" creation or the "second"? and really how can you know? check back to my post a few pages ago and i provided all the bible verses to back it up.
LsdWeedShrooms24
13-12-2008, 04:57
sometimes god agrees with drugs, sometimes he doesnt. it all depends on who you're talking to
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lol, what a great pic. A little confused at first, trying to figgure out who's arm's who's, but then I saw the bottom. The guy's only missing a bong, and crackpipe.
As for God's approval of drugs, it's obvious. Comming from a Christian view, God has created all, and all is created for a reason. Now why would the pope consider use, production, and distribution of drugs a sin? God din't make opium? Marijuana? DMT containing beings? The list goes forever. So God's a sinner. lol, got to love the blashemy of the church. Not only did god create natural drugs, but has given animals, particularly mankind, to be able to feel GOOD off the drugs. We have specific neurological receptors (although multi-functional) to pick up opiates. If that isn't enough proof for God to give the OK to drugs, I don't know what is.
tokerjoker
17-12-2008, 13:37
God does exist IMO. He put all the natural drugs on the earth, the reason I belive tie sin with war and such. If everyone is high on shrooms and weed, they dont wanna fight, they love everything and everyone. This is what, for the most part, the Bible preaches. God put cannabis and magic mushrooms on the planet coz he wanted everyone to use them. When Christ ascended into heaven in the cloud (Acts 1:9-11) he sent his disciples the Holy Spirit with the "gift of tongues" (Acts 2:3) and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as a fire, and it sat upon each of them, and they were filled with the Holy Spirit and were given the power to prophesy or witness. (Marijuana has been credited with speech giving and inspiration of mental powers.) Marijuana as history has shown is the catalyst used to achieve the spiritual journey into the heavens. That is why in India it was referred to as the Heavenly-Guide, the Poor Man's Heaven, and the Sky-flier. That is why Professor Mircea Eliade, perhaps the foremost authority on the history of religion, suggested that Zoroaster may have caused hemp to bridge the metaphysical gap between heaven and earth. One dictionary defines marijuana as the leaves and flowering tops when taken to induce euphoria. Euphoria is defined by the same dictionary as great happiness or bliss. (In India, marijuana has been referred to as the joy-giver and the soother of grief.) Bliss is defined as the ecstasy of salvation, spiritual joy. Some of the synonyms of bliss are beatitude, transport, rapture, ecstasy, paradise, heaven. There was a profound change in America when marijuana smoking started on a large scale in the late 1960's. A large number of people resisted the draft, resisted the war ... started letting their hair and beards grow ... became interested in natural foods... the ecology and the environment. What we really saw was the awakening of our generation to the beginning of Christian mentality through marijuana smoking. The earmarks of this mentality are: I don't want to go to war; I really don't want to be part of the political-military-economic fiasco you call society. the Canadian Le Dain Commission conducted an inquiry into the use of marijuana.On page 144 of the Report, marijuana is associated with peace.
"In our conversation with (students and young people) they have frequently contrasted marijuana and alcohol effects to describe the former as a drug of peace, a drug that reduces tendencies to aggression while suggesting that the latter drug produces hostile, aggressive behaviour. Thus marijuana is seen as particularly appropriate to a generation that emphasizes peace and is, in many ways, anti-competitive."
Someone may of already said it earlier in this thread, but the way I see it is everything on earth is "natural". You can't have a chemical without using things on earth.. so its all part of the mass creation if you look at the big picture...
You couldn't have coke if it wasn't for coca plant which is natural... and my friend says it wouldn't be so fuckin good just by chance
LOL
pilipuntos
27-12-2008, 19:08
As a Pastafarian, I must say that my god The Flying Spaguetti Monster loves drugs, and he usually takes them.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3285/fsmkd8.jpg
That sucks pilipuntos.
Looking at that drawing, to say you weren't well endowed by your creator would be an understatement..
God is not some man in the sky "looking down" on us.. nor is God looking down because it is not a vengeful one. when u are conscious enough, you learn quickly what "God" is as you are awakened. we are the process thru which it knows itself.
The Dreamer
07-02-2009, 14:27
We are his noodly appendages!
The argument that all plants are 'natural' and therefore okay for consumption falls a little short if you think about it. Some are poisonous. I'm not sure I believe in a God but if he did exist and wanted the best for me he obviously would advise me to avoid 'natural' poisons. That's not to say that I believe that marijuana is harmful or that a loving deity ought to advise against it I'm just saying that basing consumption on the 'naturalness' of a drug is not wise.