View Full Version : Is cocaine addictive ? defining the nature of cocaine / crack addiction
FemFoison
05-09-2004, 22:40
Hey there.
I've been lurking for a while here, and I usually find if I wait long enough someone else asks whatever I'd been wanting to. What can I say? I'm shy.
Despite that, I have two linked questions.
1) If coke is / is one of your primary drugs of choice, how much do you do per day? Or even, how often? I've read studies that said cocaine "abusers" will snort 2-3 lines per day, and from my own experience that seems like a ridiculously small amount to be considered abuse/addiction. For me there is a marked distinction between weekend and weekday use, but it is consistent enough to quantify.
2) I'm writing an article for a University science magazine analyzing the question of addiction - whether there is a chemical process that can be identified and, if so, how it varies from drug to drug (e.g. stopping use of cocaine does not lead to withdrawl as stopping use of heroin does, an opium "addiction" creates a far different cycle of chemical responses than a meth "addiction, etc). At any rate, I'm not planning on coming down on one side or the other - it is meant to be objective. I have my personal opinion, but nevertheless I wanted to know how you all felt about it, especially with cocaine - does a habit constitute an addiction? Have you ever been addicted to one drug, but not another, and noticed a difference in your use of one or the other? Also, I have a ton of sources I'm busy pouring through, but if any of you have suggestions on particular books or articles (more specific than just websites or journals) I can never have enough information.
As a matter of introduction, since it seems polite, I'm a 22 year old, female student of linguistics, biology, english literature, neuropsychology, philosophy, and film. That ought to suffice for now, I hope.
(:
Zach Swan
06-09-2004, 02:21
1) Coke is the drug of choice for the person whom I speak of on this forum. Yes, IMHO there is a substantive difference between weekend and weekday use. I thinkCHCL usage typically starts as a weekend thing, but when one finds themselves doing it on weekdays too, they've either "crossed the line" or soon will. The consumerunder discussion here,at one time consistently did 2 to 3 eight-balls per week (7 to 10.5 grams). Now the usage is typically one eight-ball per week, consumed between Friday and Sunday. 2 to 3 lines per day? Guess that would be nice. I suppose they could be Hollywoods though. My opinion is that doing a line is kinda like having a potato chip -- ya cain't have just one (or three as the case may be.)
2) I think there exists what I call a Cocaine Consumption Continuum. Incidental experimentation on one end and addiction on the other end. "Habit" is somewhere in between. There is definitely a difference between habit and addiction, although I think it may be barely distinguishable in some.
Habit is when you just have fun doing it so you score for the weekend, but can (and perhaps occasionally do) quit either "for a break" or permanently. When the white girl gets her claws into you though, she doesn't let go nearly as easily. You tell yourself "I'm not going to score this week" but the urge can't be resisted. You tell yourself "I've got a gram left -- I'm going to leave it in the drawer for the weekend" then an hour later you're carving rails and soon you don't give a shit that you'll be exhausted at work the next day -- you have to keep doing it till you run out. That's addiction in the world I'm familiar with.
To your final question (addicted to one, but not another; notice difference in your use of one or the other) : cocaine is this person's only "addiction." While they have used thc related products, X, and evenhillbillyHin their life, they never became "addicted" toany of those substances-- always easily doing without them. More interestingly they used to drink booze a lot, and still do while using, but cocaine use has made drinking in isolation (meaning without simultaneous consumption of pharmaceuticals) uninteresting, and one could almost draw the conclusion that use of cocaine caused reduction/elimination of liquor abuse.
Good luck with your paper. Hope you get some interesting data, but don't be surprised if responses are limited. Sometimes we're skeptical about revealing life stories to people with only one post in their history. You're not the only one lurking ;-(
zs
chronic777
06-09-2004, 18:18
Ive found cocaine to be addictive form the first line i ever did!
I didnt feel addicted or have craving but all i wanted to do was try it again.
I feel its not phsyically addictive, it just clings onto certain thoughts in your head so your costantly reminded,everytime i sniff my nose i think of coke, everytime i start speaking really fast i think of it, evrytime i see a speck of white powder i think of cocaine.
And it just calls you back and back again, theres a point every day where you wanna get one. I just remind myself of how pointless it is buying some cut bullshit . The only time i ever get coke now is when i see my mate cut it right infront of me. I
used to feel such cravings for it, now its like i know the addiction feeling and i just acknowledge it and move on and can deal with it like a human being in control of his own decisions.
chronic777
06-09-2004, 18:20
And no it definatly isnt my drug of choice, i thought it was, but knew it never would be deep down, its too self destructive (which is why i used to do it, i used to not give a shit about my health)
My choice drugs are
mushroomz and weed, which i dont consider "drugs" as theyre naturally picked from gods green earth :) hope i helped.
P!MPJU!C3
06-09-2004, 19:10
In that case that wouldnt make snow or lady drugs either. All either picked from opium or coca plant, which also is naturally from gods green earth.
But ok that would make XTC and LSD drugs because they r chemicals. Is this what u mean when u say, chronic, that drugs have 2 be chemicals 2 be drugs. In my opinion drugs r drugs when they blow ur mind. Kaboom!
I hate Britney Spears and Ive got a cowl rocawear cap.
chronic777
07-09-2004, 17:21
if you were chewing coca leaves id say thats natural, ifit was pure powderedcoke it probly would be natural in my eyes but alll the shit that it gets cut with definatly aint natural. its all here for a reaosn id say, imagine how high our ancestors got when they discovered all this shit!
P!MPJU!C3
07-09-2004, 21:32
hahaha...lol... yeah man... but in fact everything on this earth is natural... all the things we make even weird chemicals r made of chemicals that already existed so thats that and fuck the rest.
can coke just be a "when i'm going out" drug?
swim has only used it 5 times, every weekend bar one for the last 6 weeks. swim is fine with it, likes how he feel on it, can sleep after, dont feel too bad the next day, and swim only *want* it when its offered to me, and i'm going out. BUT my DH wants it all the time, find him coming home in the middle of the day after having a line at a mates place. This makes me angry as i think if we are going to do this, then it's to be a weekend only thing.
is he addicted? or is he just greedy, or chasing the high?
any opinions would be appreciated. new to this and have no idea.
Wile Coke is not phyisicly addictive it is without a doubt quite phycologicly addicting. If your freind starts useing coke dayly it would be a good thing to confrot him before he gets worse, when you addicted to coke thats really all that matters. and coke heads are known to get angry quite easaly and somtimes vilont when confronted or depribed of coke. just be safe and i hope you can work all of this messyness out
Mike
bowlingforcindy
26-10-2004, 20:36
sorry to all coke addicts but why be addicted to it? its not phyysical but all in the mind. is it that you cant bear your own life being normal that you think you can only cope being high. bullshit, i love pills but i dont do it all the time, infact id say im addicted to it in a way but being normal doesnt feel that bad that i have to be high all the time. id say coke is the most overrated thing in this universe,
i've only used it 5 times, ... BUT
my DH wants it all the time, i find him coming home
in the middle of the day after having a line at a mates
place.
...is he addicted? or is he just greedy, or chasing the
high?
He wants it ALL the time.
He seems to be chasing a high.
Yup, I'ld say he's addicted.
bowlingforcindy
27-10-2004, 20:05
yes, so dam good that at feels better to live your life on coke rather than not on coke?
ive done coke plenty a times, its good, well, i rate it below average. i rate speed better tha coke and i dont like that to much
I think cocaine is personally worthless to do unless its for free and only doing a few lines to boost up the fun you are already having other than that I try and stay away from it, BUT I have my moments where I throw down on a OZ or so LOL.
joevette
20-11-2004, 21:07
Is cocain addictive physically or phsycologically? How often would you have to use to become addicted?
discobloodbath
20-11-2004, 22:04
Everybody is different so it all depends on the person and their reaction to the drug... some can use it countless times and stop on a dime , others enjoy it so much the first time that they cant help but keep using. (taking something that has the potential to make u feel great is sometimes hard for a person to resist)
this is from erowid:
One of the most problematic aspects of cocaine is its addictive qualities. While cocaine is not believed to be physically addicting, it is, without a doubt, psychologically addicting. Those who use cocaine heavily or regularly frequently encounter great difficulty ceasing use.
Many people find themselves drawn to overusing both crack and powder cocaine. Initial tolerance develops rapidly, especially with heavy use, though tolerance appears to level off relatively quickly (users do not generally require more and more material over time, once they have reached heavy use).
joevette
21-11-2004, 00:33
Thanks, I don't get addicted to things in general so maybe juditious weekend use would be fine.
discobloodbath
21-11-2004, 02:23
just be careful and dont over do it if u do it.. the few times i've done it i always do baby lines thru the night..(if its all going up there so i take my time) i've taken too much once before and it was a very scary experince so i try make sure that doesnt happen again.. so be safe
What happened to you disco? I wouldn't know much about "too much" and I
want to know what to look for in case that ever happens to me, which I
hope never does. I also am one of those high tolerance people that
don't NEED it all the time. I always let a few days pass before getting
more so that my tolerance will go down and I can enjoy it in small
ammounts instead of doing the whole gram in one evening.
Well, for me...It took awhile for me to do it a lot...Then by the time I knew it, I was addicted. I did a lot! I'm both physically and psychologocially addicted. How much do you actually do?
discobloodbath
21-11-2004, 05:24
it was the second time of a weekend binge and at one point after doing i dunno how much i started to get hot and sweaty than suddenly get chills. I couldnt stand because i would get really lighthead and dizzy and wanted to hurl. My hands couldnt stop shaking and my head hurt like hell... i think i did too much plus i had a little bit of a panic attack once things started to get out of control.
Here in case anyone wants to know here are the symtoms of an over dose this is from a book i have:
Physical: Fever, Rapid or irregular heartbeat, Shallow breathing, high blood preasure, enlarged pupils, dry mouth, sweating, tremors, stroke, heart failure.
Mental signs: Confusion, Agitation, paranoia, hallucinations, impulsive behavior, unresponsive coma.
"With any sign of cocaine overdose, the user should be taken immediately to a hospital. Monitoring may be required even if the person appears to have recovered, since seizure can occur hours later."
god this a great book covers everything in such detail.. very impressed
m2002buzz
21-11-2004, 18:51
The definition of overdose is simply taking too much of a dose. With
all the reading I've done, any cocaine intake is an overdose. Not that
its not fun ;)
joevette
21-11-2004, 20:26
The definition of overdose is simply taking too much of a dose. With
all the reading I've done, any cocaine intake is an overdose. Not that
its not fun ;)
That doesn't make any sense. I mean there may not be a set medical dose for coke, but how does that make any ammount an overdose. Could you elaborate a little further?
discobloodbath
21-11-2004, 23:46
i only found this little bit that briefly mentions amount but barely
"It is impossible to determine the amount of cocaine needed for an overdose; it can be cause by snorting as little as one-fiftieth of a gram. Between 2 and 10 percent of those taken to the hospital for cocaine overdose have seizures, which can occour as long as 12 hours later. Seizures can happen at any time with the first use, the twentieth, or the hundredth, and will eventually strike most users"
joevette
22-11-2004, 00:44
That's weird, I guess their definition of an overdose is different than the standard. Either that or just getting high off coke is considered and overdose. Either way I don't think I'd even feel one fiftieth of a gram.
Are you worried about over doing it one day, and you od???
discobloodbath
22-11-2004, 02:57
i think why they say its difficult is because cocaine varies in purity
And also what it is cut with.
joevette
22-11-2004, 18:53
Are you worried about over doing it one day, and you od???
I haven't tried coke yet, still researching. The original fear of mine, and the reason I started this thread, was the fear of getting addicted. Of course overdosing is always a concern as well.
Oh, okay...That's why I you're asking these questions...LOL! I'm stupid...Um, if you're that worried...maybe you shouldn't do it..
I remember my first time, my coworker/friend offered me some (I actually thought he was giving me weed), I didn't want to look like I was chicken, so I did it. I didn't listen, using both nostrils...I just used me right one...And the whole night, my right nostril was numb and then I got a nosebleed. You would've thought that would of scared me, nope....
Try key shots, if you're scared of an overdose. Those are nothing...Then when you're more comfortable, less paranoid about it, then try a line....
Just to warn you....After a month, I did get addicted. I'm cutting down now, and I'm actually happy about that.
It depends on the person. If you're like me...I smoked weed (was addicted, then got bored with it), then moved on to a stronger drug, coke... Another thing, if you have a really really special relationship. And they're not supportive of you doing this, don't do it. A drug isn't worth the pain you're causing the love of your life, family, friends. I lost a lot because of this drug, and I'm slowly trying to gain them back. Saddly, I don't know if my girlfriend will come back to me.
Again, do more researching on this drug, if you really want to try it. Go to the library, there's a lot of cool books about this drug. Good luck!
Sorry, I wrote so much! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.
trevdog15
15-05-2005, 23:13
Last night my buddy and i tried coke with 3 of our friends that have already done it a few times. At first i took 3 small lines and could barely feel anything at all. About 30 mins later we took a nice sized line and i was lit up. Only did one more nice sized line and my girlfriend told me to stop. Within 30 mins i NEEDED another one. It scared me a little. All i could think about was doing another line. Now that im sober the next morning i have no craving for one whatsoever. But still last night it was a little scary how much i wanted one. So i decided to pop a percocet with my friends to calm us all down. Worked like a charm. What a great night. I think we may do coke about once a month from now on as long as we don't do it alone. Something tells me if i did it alone in my room i may not stop.
augustine
16-05-2005, 00:19
Yeah, it can be tough resisting that next line but you just gotta stay strong if you really think you shouldn't. The way I do it, I just promise myself I won't for the rest of the day or whatever, and you just gotta never break that standard, or you've got more questions to answer to yourself. You know what they say, you are your harshest critic.
Like you said, the craving passes and the down might be bad, but doing more doesn't bring you back up to that first rush of the night, at least for me, so if I think about that, I don't really find it worthwhile to do more. I've only been doing it for a couple months now, so I can't really say how long you gotta wait before you can get there again.
When my friends and I first started, we just wanted to try it out and do it every once in a while, but lets say it hasn't turned out that way. I mean, none of us are in a bad place at all, its just pretty hard to make it a once-in-a-while thing, so just be careful with it. It might be a good idea to have the friends you're doing it with or your girl look out for you and vice versa.
OK, after a week or 2 of experimenting, SWIM thinks he can do it occasionally. Used to be all or nothing, week-long runs or stay away completely. The trick seems to be Wellbutrin (bupropion), which sorta is to cola like a nicotine patch is to cigarettes. The downside is that seizure risk is probably doubled, so it's helpful to have downs/benzos around, use 'em, and to take it easier on the cola & don't sniff any huge ones.
SWIM wouldn't recommend this brew of chemicals but it seems to work... just be careful & don't take any Wellbutrin for a day or two before you drink cola. Then be sure to wait at least 4 to 8 hrs. after partying before starting the Wellbutrin again.
Note, this post not to be taken as advice!!! Just SWIM's personal experience, so far, be sure to read the tiny fine print legal disclaimer below (if your eyes are bad use a magnifying glass):
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Have fun & stay safe...Edited by: Nicaine
Yeah, it can be tough resisting that next line but you just gotta stay strong if you really think you shouldn't. The way I do it, I just promise myself I won't for the rest of the day or whatever, and you just gotta never break that standard, or you've got more questions to answer to yourself. You know what they say, you are your harshest critic.
Like you said, the craving passes and the down might be bad, but doing more doesn't bring you back up to that first rush of the night, at least for me, so if I think about that, I don't really find it worthwhile to do more.
SWIM finds that if he comes down *all the way*, doing a line will in fact bring him back to the first of the night. But only the one line! After that the "kick" is gone again. Doh... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif Edited by: Nicaine
zacribono
20-06-2005, 07:20
i always wondered how addicting coke was i ever (hypothetically speaking) were to try it so any bit of information would be very helpful to me.
cocaine is a very addictive drug, but not in the way you might think!
you will not get addicted on your first line, nore will u get addicted
on your third or fourth, but if you start to use cocaine lets say every
couple of weeks, sooner or later, it taps in to your dopomine ( natural
reward ) system!
so your brain soon gets use to the cocaine, and needs cocaine to
experince pleasure, so sooner or later, your just need the drug to feel
normall!
Partially true, IMO. In my opinion, cola "addiction" is probably 75% psychological and 25% brain-chemistry related. Not that psychological dependence is anything less... if anything, it's far more powerful and long lasting.
It takes about 1 to 3 weeks to recover from all brain chemistry issues. That aspect alone makes it easier to overcome this dimension of dependence.
Psychological dependency can last any length of time at all. From one day to forever.
As far as how long it takes to get addicted? To powder? Let me venture a rough estimate -- about one month of fairly heavy use. Once weekly use won't cause any addiction in most cases. Twice weekly use is beginning to ask for it though. More often than that is begging for a dependency of some sort.
All just IMHO.Edited by: Nicaine
The thing about coke addiction at least for me is that cocaine is
sneaky addictive. After the initial withdrawl I never have any symptoms
like you do with nicotine or something...except that it always shows
back up....it all started the third time I did it at the end of
November I've averaged 2-3 days a week since then with up to 6 day
binges...its ridiculous...at least it hasn't adversely affected my
life....well I don't have any money saved but all my bills are paid.
zacribono
21-06-2005, 20:48
thanks for the tips ithink i might try it but just wtch out how much i usehttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif
lilsteve
21-06-2005, 23:07
When my friends split an 8ball (their first coke ever), they spent the
entire night discussing how addictive it was, and when was the next
time they should be able to do it without getting hooked. Nobody seemed
to notice that right there was the psychological addiction. Rather than
taking advantage of their burst of energy, they sat around planning
when they could take it again.
It was all very hysterical/distressing for me at the time.
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motorhead
22-06-2005, 00:14
Sometimes i like to think about the nature of drugs. I beleive that anyone can become addicted to any drug. The intense, yet visciously brief high of coke makes it a double edged sword many cannot resist. Cocaines nature is to turn youon yourself, make you selfish, and to plant the words "more, more, more...." into your brain.
cocaine is addicting mentally and physically, but it really depends on
your mental structure of how you view things and life in general, to
whereas you'll get 'addicted' or not. one thing that keeps SWIM
not addicted to cocaine is the price of it, if it was cheap or free,
shit, why not get addicted to it you know? but you just have to set
your priorites and if you can 'afford' to get addicted to it, then go
ahead and do so.
I have never done coke, but from what I have heard cocaine is not physically addictive at all. It is all psycholocial habitualtion. Habituation is a property of a person, not a drug.
The fact the cocaine effects the dopamine system means it is pleasureful, not addictive. Anything that is pleasent, not just drugs, may be effecting the dopamine system. If a person uses coke to excess cause they like it that is fundamentaly a different phenomenon than addiction.
Even if cocaine caused a reduction in dopamine with excessive use this would not be the same thing as a true addiction cause the person would still feel like crap even if they continued to use the coke. Also the stoping of the cocaine would not cause additional sysmtoms of pain or sickness, it would in fact casue the person to gradualy start feeling better.
cocaine is addicting mentally and physically, but it really depends on
your mental structure of how you view things and life in general, to
whereas you'll get 'addicted' or not. one thing that keeps SWIM
not addicted to cocaine is the price of it, if it was cheap or free,
shit, why not get addicted to it you know? but you just have to set
your priorites and if you can 'afford' to get addicted to it, then go
ahead and do so.
at last someone who thinks like i do! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gifhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif
prospero
24-06-2005, 12:17
Psychological addiction is always far more difficult to deal with than physical addiction - for any drug. It also seems to be a character trait so you shouldknow by now if you are at risk - are you an habitual smoker, do you drink a lot or find it difficult to say no when offered another, do you eat to excess etc etc. I am veryfortunate in thatI never get addicted to anything; a friend of mine on the other hand says she would never take any drugs (and never has) because she has enough trouble keeping her red wineconsumption under control, and knows thatother, even more addictive substances would just be the end of her. Edited by: prospero
Cocaines nature is to turn youon yourself,
make you selfish, and to plant the words "more, more, more...." into
your brain.
and it can do that VERY WELL, if you let your gaurd down.
Cocaines nature is to turn you*on yourself,
make you selfish, and to plant the words "more, more, more...." into
your brain.
and it can do that VERY WELL, if you let your gaurd down.
... which nearly everyone does. SWIM doesn't know a single person who keeps some sort of "guard" up against selfishness, etc. while doing cola. IMO it's the nature of the beast, and SWIM has come to expect it as a routine sort of thing where cola is involved. People will pinch extra if they can, will stash some for themselves when sharing, will overcharge or under-amount you if at all possible, will tend to share as little as possible, etc. etc. it's perfectly normal (and always a pleasant surprise when it doesn't occur).
Just out of curiosity... say you were doing it with a friend and you had a vial containing a couple g's. Would you leave it sitting on the table in plain view while you went to the bathroom? Didn't think so.Edited by: Nicaine
... which nearly everyone does. SWIM doesn't know a
single person who keeps some sort of "guard" up against selfishness,
etc. while doing cola. IMO it's the nature of the beast, and SWIM has
come to expect it as a routine sort of thing where cola is involved.
People will pinch extra if they can, will stash some for themselves
when sharing, will overcharge or under-amount you if at all possible,
will tend to share as little as possible, etc. etc. it's perfectly
normal (and always a pleasant surprise when it doesn't occur).
SWIM knows exactly what you mean. There have been plenty of times when
in a night when he was sharing, he would offer people lines, but make
them very small. He would then ask them if they wanted more and a good
number of the people that he hung out with would say something like
"Nah, that's great!" just to try and not seem like a total moocher.
SWIM knew in the back of his mind that was going to happen so that's
why he offered very little. Hehe, but then a couple people did want
larger lines, but hell, he was flying high on coke and feeling great,
let everyone feel great!! There were times when SWIM would pick up some
cola for a friend who wasn't with him on the pickup, and just seeing
that little pouch in his hands, he had to open it up and taste a
little. Even if it wasn't going to be enough to get him high at all, he
still found himself doing it whenever possible.
wingsofazrael
25-06-2005, 04:18
swim has never had any withdrawal symptoms over his few years of usage. the longest run was 9 days and after swim was finished with it, he didnt want nothing to do with coke. he just wanted a bed. naturally a few months later it crept back in and so forth. but in so much as negative withdrawal symptoms, swim hasnt had any.
swim has never had any withdrawal symptoms over his few years of usage.* the longest run was 9 days (...)
That's probably why, 9 days is not long enough to significantly disrupt brain chemistry. Anhedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia) and depression are fairly common and well known withdrawal symptoms. SWIM's experiencing some sexual disturbance at the moment (as in, without cola sex is worthless) which is probably due in part to depletion of dopamine & norepinephrine.
Luckily, brain chemicals never take too long to get back to normal (absent depression). About a month max, usually.Edited by: Nicaine
[QUOTE=club222]
Just out of curiosity... say you were doing it with a friend
and you had a vial containing a couple g's. Would you leave it sitting
on the table in plain view while you went to the bathroom? Didn't think
so.
My good friends? I most definately would...I don't mind sharing as long
and I share a good amount its when I finally fall asleep and someone
trys to pull it out my pocket i get a bit pissedhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif
My good friends? I most definately would...I don't mind sharing as long and I share a good amount its when I finally fall asleep and someone
trys to pull it out my pocket i get a bit pissedhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif
Your generosity is admirable, but in a general sense (referring to people trying to pull it out of your pocket while asleep) I rest my case.Edited by: Nicaine
That's probably why, 9 days is not long enough to significantly disrupt brain chemistry. Anhedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia)
and depression are fairly common and well known withdrawal symptoms.
SWIM's experiencing some sexual disturbance at the moment (as in,
without cola sex is worthless) which is probably due in part to
depletion of dopamine & norepinephrine.
Luckily, brain chemicals never take too long to get back to normal (absent depression). About a month max, usually.
What duration significantly disrupts the brain chemistry?
SWIM has yet to notice anything beyond the exhaustion from lack of
sleep and overworked muscles, maybe a bit of guilt/depression. He
always enjoys a nice good meal the day after though.
What duration significantly disrupts the brain chemistry?
No clue... I could only guess about a month of using it at least 3 times/week. Takes time. Probably not the same for everyone. I'm positive it throws off levels of dopamine, serotonin and such tho, at least for most people.
I've heard some people who use regularly on weekends get depressed & some jonesing toward the middle of the week. Hearsay only.Edited by: Nicaine
I've heard some people who use regularly on weekends get depressed
& some jonesing toward the middle of the week. Hearsay only.
Yes I get the mid week slumps all the time after a hard weekend
i always wondered how
addicting coke was i ever (hypothetically speaking)
were to try it so any bit of information would be very
helpful to me.
*
I say without posting your age, weight, height, past
coke use (if any), then you're reaching.
Based on your topic post, there's no good
information for you here.
Consult your physician.
chronic777
02-07-2005, 13:48
The easiest way to put it is,
cociane isnt physicaly addictive, its mentally addictive.
zacribono
14-07-2005, 03:50
OK
kinkymink
02-09-2005, 16:53
How addictive is cocaine, really. Has anyone out there tried it and been able to quit easily? How hard is it to quit for like a week or two, just to pass a piss test?
pokergod0588
02-09-2005, 17:34
pretty easy (well it was for me), i used to find it easy to chill out when under pressure like tht
i quit a while ago and it wasnt very hard i just kinda had to limit who i chilled with and i didnt carry as much money with me anymore, i stopped cold turkey tho and i'm still glad i did
i'd suggest not going near anyone who does it or go anywhere near it cuz you'll definitely snort something and fuck everything up for the test
goodluck
Crackkim
02-09-2005, 20:05
if you use it only couple of times easy if you use it on daily basisi hard
Swim has used it about 20 times, sometimes regulary an sometimes not. Never been addicted.
However, Each time used, Swim found it hard not to buy more.
All i can advise is to not buy it each and every single time you think about it. Sound easy but its not.
kinkymink
03-09-2005, 04:42
The reason I'm asking is because I want to surprise someone with a drug test. He has a pretty addictive personality, so I was just wondering if he would have a hard time quitting. Also I'm wondering how long you would have to stay clean to pass a piss test. I don't know for sure if he's using and I wish I could prve it. We are separated and he wants to visit with the kids. Would a user be able to stay sober for like a whole weekend with thier kids? It sounds like if he's not around it he won't crave to use. I worry about what he might do with the kids in order to get a fix. Is addiction bad enough to make a person endanger thier kids?
Creeping Death
12-09-2005, 12:41
How addictive is cocaine really? I've heard that it's not very phisiclly damaging or phisiclly addictive at all. But i recently saw a documentary saying that it's one of the most addictive drugs ever.
And when monkeys tried it, they would choose coke over food untill they died from starvation. What should you belive?
people jus try n chase that high they got from the first few lines
thats it they always think by doing more u will get that same feeling
back..... thats how i see it
Silentscream
12-09-2005, 15:42
<DIV>Swim hasused it 3 timesfor the last 6 months, never found any craving for more, although whenever he saw references to the stuff on TV he did think about buying another lot. </DIV>
raven3davis
12-09-2005, 17:00
SWIM has used coke many many times and feels no need to do any right now. SWIM will definitely do coke again but who knows when. It isnt really that addictive, only when your on it IMO, but everyone is different. SWIM knows people who have been hooked, and to them it probably is addictive as anything. It all depends on you as a person, your current situation, and your brain chemistry. Money has a lot to do with it too.
Swim found cocaine to be addictive if used regulary. If he brought it once every few weeks, it would be easy to handle, but when he brought ita few times a week it got hard for him to stop buying more.Edited by: thegod1
MushroomTrip
13-09-2005, 10:25
Two years ago was when I used cocained almost twice a week for a period of about four of five mounths. I became somekind addicted meaning when i decided to yake a break i found it quite difficul in the first month without it. A was a little bit nervous but that's it i didn't do it and then after that period i didn't feel like i had to do coke. It was't so hard and now i'm doing it from time to time but i never feel that i can't live without it. So for mr cocaine isn't that addictive but i guess it depends from person to person.
insanity
13-09-2005, 23:31
i consider it pretty addictive. but not as addictive as meth or H and crack.
rhymetoker
15-09-2005, 01:25
From the expereinces of a very close friend it seems coke is more addictive than meth as the comedown is much worse. The anxiety at times seems to be unbearable but after a couple hours your good to go. Just think of it as a really bad hangover. It's not a good idea to drink with a hangover just as you shouldn't do more coke to alleviate the symtoms of coming down. Just stick it out and addiction shouldn't be a problem.
CokeFiend
17-09-2005, 22:04
It all depends on your personality. I don't have an adictive personality. I've been smoking ciggerates since I was 12. I'm 18, I can go days without them. No withdrawel or anything. I've been doing coke on and off since I was 14. My tolerance is extremely high. But other than that I can live a normal life without yay.
If SWIM has a line or two... is it tru u get addicted? How many times do u need to get addicted... and is it really as bad as everyone says? If I did lines every day for 2-3 weeks... I feel like I can stop (but of course i havnt done it). Its hard to believe actually getting addicted to something. If you do it all the time then u just... dont do it. its not that hard...... or is it?
Addiction varies from person to person. And it is very real.
TXRoughneck
07-03-2006, 20:31
It does vary quite a bit. SWIM has a very addictive personality and is addicted to addiction. Thus, true addiction to C is elusive because SWIM wants to feel a desperate desire for it and doesn't. (Riddle that). But for other people, addiction to C is strong and difficult to curb, despite the many deleterious effects to their lifestyle and health.
Sickness Life
08-03-2006, 05:11
New study,
Coke is not addictive,, Go figure.. Its mental your brain craves it to the point where u fiend... bad..
But yes 1 line and you are addicted for life :p
no way not one line. it takes more than that, but i suppose for some people.
swim has taken a couple o ounces the last 2 years, no addiction...havenīt touched it for months, and felt no urge...but as said, it varies from person to person.
You'll never know...because unlike other drugs, coke is a sneaky bad bit*h...At least with SWIM...See he started to do it alot, but on the days he didn't do it he didn't feel any cravings(after the initial comedown) but then everytime he had spare money he'd go and get some...even though he had no intentions. See its not a normal craving--like with cigarettes you feel like s*it when you need one...and thats exactly it you'll say you need one...with coke you just always want it...and after a while it usually begins to not be fun anymore...and you'll lay off. But most people I talk to, and SWIM say the main problem quitting is that when you lay off nothing is fun and you don't take interest in anything. This is due to the abuse your dopamine receptors have taken...Just be careful the waters are treacherous--SWIM has seen alot of people ruin there lives and hurt their loved ones...Luckily this hasn't happened to SWIM yet...But if he didn't have such a good paying job he'd surely be on the street himself. Good news is that most people find that if you can stay off for 3 weeks you start to take interest in things again...and you'll definately feel 100x better.
Sklander
24-03-2006, 22:33
SWIM thinks that Cocaine is more of a mental thing. It is awesome and thats why people want to do more of it. After a good nights sleep and not being able to find the stuff anyone can surely wean themselves off of it.
Pinkavvy
25-03-2006, 01:16
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you will get hopelessly addicted on the 23rd line, so be careful not to do more than 22 lines in your life. ;)
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If you use say 1 or 2 gram of cocaine a day. Does that make you a addict. (<
This is only my second post but I will put my 2 cents in & say it's all in what happens if you don't get your gram or 2? Would you get sick? Does it make you 'not happy' to even imagine not having access to any? Would you do stuff you are not proud of to obtain it?
The answers to those questions would tell me more about a person being an addict.
dml
swim agrees if you can't go with out or need it to enjoy your self or just to get out in the world it's an addiction if its not then its fun at the mo but swiy is already forming a habbit of doing it every day and 1-2g of it this habbit will soon turn into addiction.
Micklemouse
15-07-2006, 17:03
Using 1-2 gram of coke a day for any amount of time could well be indicative that there is a problem somewhere along the line. This problem could be as simple as having more money than sense, it could be a self-medication issue for social anxiety, lack of confidence or just plain unhappiness, or it could indeed be an addiction issue. There is a good chance it's a combination of the above. The first issue is easily dealt with - keep this up & SWiYou'll soon be skint & unable to score, at which point SWiYou'll either have to hit the wall & withdraw, or start on the rocky road of credit. Not recommended, but a good measure of how addicted SWiYou actually are perhaps! The other two could take a bit longer & a bit more hardwork.
My advice, for what it's worth, would be to start cutting down now, & take stock of what SWiYou are actually achieving by this level of use, apart from a slowly dissolving septum, cardio-pulmonary problems, a rapidly vanishing bank balance, potential psychosis and/or depression, the loss of friends outside of cocaine circles (not many people can be around a coke fiend for long without getting pissed off, even other users after a while!), need I go on?
one or two grams a day does sound like a problem but it truely depends on the person.....swim thinks keep substances such as cocaine shouldnt be over used.
Nature Boy
15-07-2006, 19:28
Dit is het Nederlandse onderdeel van het forum.
Swim thinks that for cocaine, you shouldn't do it every day. It is such an addictive substance and is hard on your body. You should leave at least a few days between use, and preferably longer periods as well so you do other things besides coke. Swim wants to remind you that while physical addiction may take longer to set in, psychological addiction can start pretty quickly, especially when you make a daily habit out of something, and then it spirals out of control from there.
Nature Boy
16-07-2006, 15:02
I repeat:
Dit is het Nederlandse onderdeel van het forum.
This is the Dutch part of the forum. No posting in English here.
Moved from the Dutch section.
FrankenChrist
23-07-2006, 22:22
Dat is dan wat men noemt een cokeprobleempje.
(Edit: that's what you call a little coke problem)
torr_aox
24-07-2006, 05:23
what about SWIM that goes through an 8 ball in the course of a weekend, sharing and by their self? Would you consider SWIM to be heading down the road towards addiction? Just looking for input.
Nature Boy
24-07-2006, 05:49
Depends. Everyone has different willpower and addiction potential. Some could do it for years without slipping into a daily dangerous habit. Others might not.
How much of the habitual user's attraction of smoking crack is rooted in the custom or process -- lighting that pipe, hearing that sizzle, seeing that smoke, holding that breath, exhaling, etc?
I'm not discounting the feeling that might be associated, just wondering if the process doesn't become an important part of the attraction. Of course associating the process with the feeling seems obvious, but is there more to it?
In SWIM's opinion, there's a very large component of this. Don't forget the taste of the 'smoke' too. Just seeing a picture of a crack rock can cause powerful cravings in someone who's used it recently.
Cocaine in general is well known for generating neural pathways in the brain related to associations between the effects and rituals involved. Even a regular sniffer would probably get a placebo high snorting an inert powdered substance.
To be clear though, it's the effects that create the instinctive reactions to the rituals involved, not the other way around.
Danc9552003
28-09-2006, 22:58
SWIM usually does foily's, and while it is a fun ritual to make them and smoke them, every once and a while it's actually a pain in the ass to make one. Like, lets say SWIM just made a really big foily, took all the hits inside and starts to make a new one. He usually wants another hit so bad it actually seems to take too long to make, even tho it takes 2 minutes at the most.
ProteinBlast
29-09-2006, 17:10
SWIM knows that the "hunt" to get his fix can be as exciting as the high itself. The nervousness when he's not sure if his friend will come through, the disappointment felt if he can't, and the tremendous excitment and relief when hearing he's come through. Sometimes the excitement causes SWIM to use the bathroom, his bowels loosen (not sure what thats called) just from knowing he's all set for the night.
SWIM associates bathrooms (obviously) with his experiences - pleasant mostly - and so just entering a bathroom causes a flood of thoughts relating to C to enter his mind. Despite being away/off the drug for months at a time, this association never leaves.
Back to where SWIM started - the "hunt" and ritual can be just as big a part, for SWIM anywyas...
suninmy_MOUTH
29-09-2006, 20:02
SWIM used to notice when going through heroin withdrawl many years ago, he would cook up a water shot (this was at times when supplies were out for monetary reasons or just no luck in copping) would seemingly ease the pain... for a bit. SWIM loved the process of shooting up, and it did seem to have a placebo effect on the mind & body.
the association, did eventually fade away... seems now that for SWIM a spoon is just a spoon :)
kgirl182
10-10-2006, 06:26
It's good to know SWIM isn't the only one--although her drug of choice is coke. When on a run to pick up her supply, her stomach is in knots just thinking about it--right before she does her first line of the night, she usually has to use the bathroom (and after, too, if it's good quality)
The whole process of cutting up a line and getting a straw ready is half of the 'fun.'
I think this is simply a manifestation of Pavlov's dogs syndrome. You learn to associate the customs / rituals with the pleasurable results. Hence the simple act / sight / sound / memory of those customs causes a similar response.
All perfectly normal and a Good Thing in my opinion.
Klaatu
the custom always plays a major part!!!
for most shooters it's the mixing up.. i've met loads of people over the years that i'm sure were addicted top the needle not the drugs.
for pot heads it's the ritual of grinding the weed and rolling the joint.
for snorters it's chopping up and racking the perfect line.
well...different for e and acid heads they just munch em and get off it!!
unless they enjoy sticking things up there an*s:confused:
rockstar
26-11-2006, 09:43
Hey y'all,
Just a newbie from Texas here. Swim loves to smoke crack. She can't put that darn "pencil" (pipe) down. She takes it everywhere she goes. I mean everywhere....grocery store, work, laundrymatt,. She leaves it in the car and respects friends houses and doesnt smoke inside unless it is ok. Everyone else she knows does powder. At least swim doesnt have to share and can leave the room and her plate is never touched. But does anybody else do this?
I am a,
Rockstar
Divalici0us
07-12-2006, 17:06
SWIM likes to do some crack now and then after school or work, she also loves to smoke in the car but not always and almost never in public plasees swim thinks she may get attention from the wrong ppl.swim works in a nightclub
wellhelm
07-12-2006, 17:56
Hey y'all,
Just a newbie from Texas here. Swim loves to smoke crack. She can't put that darn "pencil" (pipe) down. She takes it everywhere she goes. I mean everywhere....grocery store, work, laundrymatt,. She leaves it in the car and respects friends houses and doesnt smoke inside unless it is ok. Everyone else she knows does powder. At least swim doesnt have to share and can leave the room and her plate is never touched. But does anybody else do this?
No. Swim was always amazed at his friends who were able to smoke when ever where ever. Swim was way to parnoid to smoke any where but home and sometime's even to paranoid to smoke there, lol. When out and about he could not have any parafinalia on him and must be ready to eat any evidince at all times because of his natural fear of jail.
There are cameras everywhere now. SWIM remembers being at a bus station once & dying to hit, so he ducked around beside a building & took a single QUICK hit. Then he got directly onto the bus, and looking out the window saw a police car pull around toward the side of the building he'd been on... :eek:
Divalici0us
07-12-2006, 20:28
Swim smokes mostly in her car and after a couple hits swim thinks every car is a copcar.
smuttyangel
05-01-2007, 01:44
Evening all,
SWIM has a bit of a dilemma - SWIM has been using street uk Amph for last few days - not heavily - but enough to stay awake to function for work and to cope with early morning/late night feeds 4 baby. SWIM knows from bitter experience that the comedown is not nice - ie, irritable, tired, depressed,moody etc...am sure u all know the drill - So SWIM has realised that on previous occasions of cocaine use that the comedown was virtually non existant...however, from a prev thread, you will see that SWIM's experience of Charlie isn't as potent as Hubby's - little or no euphoria. Anyway..i digress...:eek:
SWIM has been trying to get hold of charlie for last 3 days to switch from one to other then off....but SWIM hasn't been able to get any.
SWIM now has the opportunity to get hold of tomorrow - a dealers cut - which SWIM beleives is far stronger than usual street rubbish -
So does SWIM go ahead with original plan and switch to Charlie tomorrow for 1 night or does she go cold turkey and just have to go thru withdrawal?
Or more to the point - is SWIM in danger (or already) sounding addicted?
Added L8r: Just realised SWIM is more worried about putting on weight than anything else, as SWIM has lost bout a stone (much needed loss) and feels pretty good as she is now..but that is no reason to continue - SWIM has only being dabbling in last 3 weeks, on and off, so SWIM should stop worrying and try to follow a good diet from now on!
SWIM could do with some advice from more experienced members Please x
What about switching to something else entirely, such as kratom? It may sound ridiculous at first (a legal ethnobotanical??) but from experience SWIM can point out that kratom is an incredibly good substance to keep one's mood up during comedowns from other substances. Or if not kratom, codeine tablets, tramadol, benzos, whatever SWIY can acquire... does it have to be cola?
smuttyangel
05-01-2007, 06:25
actually, your right - it doesn't have to be cola at all - just didn't know of any alternatives... Only codeine swim has is prescription co-codamol 30/500mg -
hubby has amytriptaline left over from previous pain and depression but that will knock SWIM out, and SWIM has 2 work shifts to do tomorrow, one in mornin - one in evening - and now SWIM has a shitty cough that's lingered (too many cigs probably) - Swim has not had any sleep in last 24 hours..so kind of need to be 'up' but not 'up' too high - hence coke as SWIM hasnt had such a good experience as others.
And Nic - what is Kratom? Is it available in uk? Thanks x
Re: kratom, try a forum search. Already too much info there for SWIM to be arsed to type out a full reply.
smuttyangel
05-01-2007, 07:03
did a search on google - got uk site but is only postal so not quick enough - but i thank you for the info
xx
Twisted Dreamer
14-03-2007, 12:11
Swim recently returned from treatment in utah and he has once again turned to that white girl to solve his problems. Now swim sees others who claim to be "the shit" when it comes to dealing with cocaine, however after finishing an 8 ball a day for 4 days straight, swim is either being tricked with shitty blow, or he has an abnormal tolerance and is in fact a Raging Coke Head. Does anyone else know of putting an 8 ball to your head everyday almost every day? Or am i being royaly bent over and taken advantage of due to the assumed lack of many important brain cells due to the frequent using of absolute shit. Swim knows its good, but could it be just that slut begging me to come back to her?
str8ballin
15-03-2007, 20:50
Swim used to average an 8 ball a day for long stretches of time and after awhile his tolerance got so high that it took alot more to reach those desired affects that he felt when he first started using...How long has SWIY been clean for before he got out of treatment and started using again? His tolerance should be close to normal if he quit using for say a month or so....So IMO you are getting some shitty ass blow because you should be able to tell if that shit is good or not right after you do the first rail especially after being clean for however long you were...You shouldnt have to do an 8 ball up and not feel anything that just ain't right at all...And usually people who claim to be "the shit" are faggot arrogant bitches that would have no problem fucking you over....
bunk8017
16-03-2007, 09:34
agreed...if swiy just came out of treatment there is no way an 8 ball a day would be necessary...sounds like swiy is being shafted
NocturnaL
29-07-2007, 08:46
SWIM had nose surgery, and wants to do coke. But swim doesnt want to snort any for another 2weeks. Swim doesnt want to shoot up eaither.
Is smoking alot more addictive then snorting? Or does anyone recommend a diffrent drug thatll give Swim a speed rush.
vantranist
29-07-2007, 15:16
Speed...?
Rio Fantastic
29-07-2007, 16:40
Freebase amphetamine will bring on a speedy rush similar to cocaine, but less euphoric. Smoking Crack can be immensely different from snorting cocaine - smoking crack is more of an extremely euphoric and jittery feeling, and is renowned to be more addictive then cocaine.
just wait a bit man. there's plenty of time and there's no shortage of coke. save swiy's money until his nose is ready and then have a fucking blast. that's just my two cents.
Timeoutchick
30-07-2007, 00:06
According to swim, smoking crack is WAY more addictive... swim started smoking after getting tired of the nose issue and pretty much can't go a day without it. Swim never though swim would lose control so as much as swim loves the shit, swim hates it. Don't do it. But if you do, be prepared..,
pamelita
04-08-2007, 12:52
Yes, that is a fact the more someone smokes crack, the more they want. It never seems to be enough. :( SWIM wishes they could get 100 bucks worth and then stop for the week, or month, but the more they do, the more they want. How can something have such a hold on a person??? SWIM would almost sell their soul for the next hit, sad but true!
well its the same substance, so no its not more "addictive". Its just more dangerous to overdo it and get used to it due to its short lasting nature.
Its like...you dont seem to be able to "have enough" with crack. Insuflated can have that effect but its not as easy, or potent.
in SWIMS opinion
jayjohnson81
15-08-2007, 17:43
Funny - SWIM said that crack was *THE* worst comedown of any drug. But SWIM would still be tempted to take a nice big cracky hit. Then minutes later the agonizing begins...
That shit is the devil.
SWIM also didn't care for the numb stuffy nose feeling, so SWIM dissolved the coke in water and stuck it where the sun don't shine. Be careful though - `ass` hits are more direct into the system so you don't need as much.
Rio Fantastic
15-08-2007, 17:44
well its the same substance, so no its not more "addictive". Its just more dangerous to overdo it and get used to it due to its short lasting nature.
Its like...you dont seem to be able to "have enough" with crack. Insuflated can have that effect but its not as easy, or potent.
in SWIMS opinion
Imo, I think different methods of taking a drug can change its "addictive" nature. I doubt anybody would disagree that I.V morphine is more addictive the swallowing it, yet they are both the same substance. And since crack is much more intense and much shorter, whilst cocaine is less intense and longer, I think crack can be much worse.
Imo, I think different methods of taking a drug can change its "addictive" nature. I doubt anybody would disagree that I.V morphine is more addictive the swallowing it, yet they are both the same substance. And since crack is much more intense and much shorter, whilst cocaine is less intense and longer, I think crack can be much worse.
well obviously, but its due to how fast and intence are the effects. I mean, if you iv morphine due to the rapid onset and 100% bioavailability the feelings will be much more intence. Ergo it has the potential to be used more frequently and thus cause adiction faster. The same thing would happen with other routes of administration but it would take longer
A friend of mine dreamed the following dream, the user epote merely quotes his friends opinions:
The following post does not condone the use of cocaine or any illegal psychoactive drug in any way, it is merely informative of ones opinions, some based on experience and observation others based on literature (and im actually not kidding, do not misinterpret this as a justification to let use of cocaine or any other drug get out of hand!)
Swim knows cocaine some ten months now. In that ten months he has spend close to 2000euro in obtaining actual cocaine, paraphernalia, books and chemicals supplies in order to purify it. The total cocaine amount bought is in the region of 20 grams in those ten moths (december till september), though actually used less than five grams out of those 20, the rest 15-16 grams where disposed, given away or lost during clean up procedures.
Swim believes himself to be a connoisseur at this point, using cocaine for the pleasures and maintaining a control over it. Swim being somewhat blessed with an above average intelligence (i.e. he is not moronic) has come to observe several patterns in himself and have subsequently verified them through actual studies. Swim has not used that much but is confident that while the quantities where few the signs where there (although not as pronounced) for an informed individual to notice (and subsequently not cross the lines)
Swim figures that cocaine use more often than not follows a pattern similar to a damped sinusoidal:
http://www.conformity.com/artman/uploads/a07_f03_fig12_low.jpg
(well thats from current in a circuit but you get the point:p)
Most users go from infrequent use to (self reported) high use at which point the negatives of cocaine actually inhibit its very use, which leads to abstinence or lower volume of use. After some time several defense mechanisms establish in the users mind making cocaine desirable again (and give a perception of being able to maintain absolute control) at which point use is initiated (or increased again) to reach another peak etc.
While this is by no means accurate, most users after some time (be it a few or alot of years) either completely quit or develop a pattern of use that is in fact recreational with the occasional small binge type period.
In the study that is attached paradoxically none of the users reported money as an inhibitory cause.
Off 160 samples, in a follow up study 10 years later 64 where reachable. Out of those 64 only 19 reported cocaine use in the last four weeks...
Of all the cocaine users very few went into the "very high cocaine use" group (i.e. more than 2.5gr a week) and even then it was not sustained for very long.
Out of those that where abstinent most had lucrative jobs and a relatively stable relationship. Of all people only five said that they where not going t use cocaine ever again.
In swim opinion cocaine use among educated, reasonably motivated individuals cocaine use is self limiting. It tends to get out of hand where other variable exists.
the study:
TEN YEARS OF COCAINE
A follow-up study of 64 cocaine users in Amsterdam
Peter Cohen & Arjan Sas
imyourlittlebare
26-09-2007, 09:33
I dont believe that. I believe it is a full time job to control ones self and sometimes especially the smarter people can full themselves into thinking they beat it. However, this is just disputing your other variable theory. My main theory of susceptability to cocaine addiction is if the individual has an undiagnosed problem such as add or adhd and is exposed to cocaine that gives them biological relief. I believe i read a statistic not long ago that said an alarming number of cocaine addicts could have been diagnosed add or adhd. But if you dont believe in the add or adhd disease model then this is meaningless. Again no way attacking you, I agree with you. Swim spent about a grand on cocaine over the course of 5 years.
especially for add people, i believe that cocaine is kind of strange. I.e they can get hooked faster (due to the relieve) but the crash and/or withdrowal periods are less intence.
but yes i agree with you.
though do read the study its very interesting, and dont forget there are several types of ADD
imyourlittlebare
26-09-2007, 12:26
especially for add people, i believe that cocaine is kind of strange. I.e they can get hooked faster (due to the relieve) but the crash and/or withdrowal periods are less intence.
but yes i agree with you.
though do read the study its very interesting, and dont forget there are several types of ADD
I was just making a general statement. Ill be sure to look the stuff over. Thanks for the post!
chinpokomaster
16-04-2008, 17:59
What's the difference between being addicted and wanting to do something all the time? The more SWIM got into coke, the more often he wanted to do it, but did he really want to do it? Did he just develop more of a liking for it, become more appreciative of it, or is he addicted?
Is it addictive? definately , particularly the crack derivative. The point at which you become hooked may be different for everyone though. It will depend on personality, what is happening in your life, how regularly you use and in what circumstances. Swim once worked in a drug rehab centre and met quite a few people who had tried every other drug under the sun without becomming addicted. Crack was the thing that had led them to seek help. As one client said, 'I thought addicts were weak people who could'nt handle their drugs untill I met crack'