View Full Version : "Bad" vs "good" trip poll.
not that ive ever tripped before but they seam to teach alot more then a fun happy trip.anyone else agree?
oops i meant to click im not wearing any pants,is there a way to edit my poll?
augentier
29-07-2007, 05:03
if someone enjoys what others might consider a "bad" trip, then to that person it is a "good" trip. some people are crazy enough to enjoy seeing demonic faces in the mirror but can't handle dark memories/real life events coming to life..but the latter can definitely be appreciated.
SWIM had a nervous breakdown the last time she did shrooms (almost 2 years ago) and while it sucked..it was a wake up call to some personal issues in her life. hard to say whether SWIM would prefer this type of bad trip..sometimes she is open to the idea, though, because she knows she has demons she needs to face sooner or later.
good thread..i'm interested to see what everyone else has to say about this.
If you enjoy/prefer the trip it isn't really a bad one, by definition. What makes a "bad trip" is entirely subjective and personal, and if you considered it a valuable/enjoyable experience it wasn't a bad trip. In other words: no.
enquirewithin
29-07-2007, 07:17
SWIM used to enjoy darker trips, but really bad ones are ones in which you face personal demons and can't cope with at the time are not much fun.
So again: no.
tank_girl
29-07-2007, 07:42
Swim had 2 hits of liquid acid and wound up remembering past traumas that really messed with her head, but as the trip progressed she wound up working through negative thoughts and bad memories and became stronger and happier because of it. swims worst trip wound up being one of her best just by hanging out with a tree.
they seam to teach you alot more then a fun happy trip.
Well, educational 'good' trips aren't usually fun or happy.
Anyone else despise the terms 'good trip' and 'bad trip'?
Rio Fantastic
29-07-2007, 16:37
Swim finds that bad trips have stronger visuals and the hallucinatory value is a lot stronger, since crap tends to come up out of nowhere...but Swim couldn't handle a bad trip that is mostly mental.
Well, educational 'good' trips aren't usually fun or happy.
Anyone else despise the terms 'good trip' and 'bad trip'?
yes i do also but felt it would be the best thread title seeing as the majority of people use the term ¨bad trip¨
wow alot of other peple here dont wear pants,maybe its something common among dférs?
common
they seam to teach you alot more then a fun happy trip.anyone else agree?
I agree, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go looking for them or try to have one.
BackToBasics
29-07-2007, 17:44
Budgies only had a few 'bad' trips, mostly on Mushrooms, and his last one didnt teach him nothing because he was too scared shitless. That was because of bad setting and being a impulsive trip though.
Generally, Budgie thinks that 'bad' trips are the ones that you learn most from though. It depends how strong a dose he's done, whether he enjoys 'bad' trips or not.
The bad and fearful ones makes one think a lot. Swim thinks they do good, because they are the ones that (also) teaches love.
Jeez, what about a bad trip would interest/teach you?
A serious dose of a hallucinogen + a bad trip + lack of hospitalization could lean towards schizophrenia.
How much are you going to learn from that?
Interesting topic, SWIM is curious to see what people have to say about this.
El Calico Loco
29-07-2007, 19:19
Swim's first bad trip was the one that cured him.
These days, he only gets bad trips when cannabis is somehow involved and there's some other problem - dehydration, overstimulation, etc. He can deal with these if he's tripping "sober", but tripping while high makes it difficult.
ECL
Jeez, what about a bad trip would interest/teach you?
A serious dose of a hallucinogen + a bad trip + lack of hospitalization could lean towards schizophrenia.
How much are you going to learn from that?
Interesting topic, SWIM is curious to see what people have to say about this.
that would only happen if swiy had a preexisting psych problem.¨bad trips¨ dont need hospitilization,that would probly just make it worse!
Swim has had his fair share of bad trips. But Swim comes out with a brighter sight on life from them.
One of Swim's worst, Was when Swim smoked 2 grams of weed while on Wellbutrin and Dexedrine.
Swim began to get dissy and went to sit down and watch tv. Swim's vision started to get a bit tunneld, and felt very weak. Swim seemed to be tripping in and out of existance for blinks at a time. Swim's heart rate went to a scary speed, and Swim thought he was going to die, Which rose it even more.
Swim then headed to the bathroom to try to clear his head, Swim blinked, And then noticed he was looking up from the floor of his bathroom, with his head 2 inch's from hitting the tub. Swim had realised he blacked out and fell to the ground while blacked out, and started having a panic attack. Swim quickly made some fatty foods to help get it out of his system, and drank lots of liquids and tried to walk around as much as possible.
A few hours later Swim came out of it with a brighter outlook on life.
that would only happen if swiy had a preexisting psych problem.¨bad trips¨ dont need hospitilization,that would probly just make it worse!
Yes, and not everyone is aware of a pre-existing mild condition that could be made worse with a bad trip.
Lunar Loops
30-07-2007, 09:36
Yes, and not everyone is aware of a pre-existing mild condition that could be made worse with a bad trip.
A very good point. Underlying and dormant psychological problems are by their very nature unseen (in the majority of cases) until something triggers them. SWIS knows of people, who in retrospect should never have dabbled, who have 'learnt' a very harsh lesson. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
For what it's worth the yak told me that he rarely wears pants and that the angle of his dangle leans towards enjoying most forms of cerebral manipulation.......but he says it's all about the setting. When poking around in those dark and cobwebbed corners he prefers a solitary stall in the shed and some fresh mown hay on which to rest his active head.
i should of clarified that im not against,plesent trips at all! i was only trying to say that the darker more unpleasing ones teach you more about life and yourself.
Lehendakari
30-07-2007, 11:09
The bad trip itself cannot be enjoyable by definition, but the aftermath of a bad trip can be good, relieving and educational. It's like what didn't kill me made me stronger kind of feeling.
SWIM has had moments of bad tripping in a trip, but he always locks unpleasant thoughts-memories by repeating himself that everything is ok and alway has a few xanax handy, and the only fact to have them in your pocket helps blocking bad feelings.
He's never really had a bad trip because of this, but I can see how it could be something you can learn of.
Micutzul
15-12-2007, 18:53
The bad trip itself cannot be enjoyable by definition, but the aftermath of a bad trip can be good, relieving and educational. It's like what didn't kill me made me stronger kind of feeling.
YEAH ..THIS IS IT !! This is what used to make a bad trip good for me . Especially if it was a bad trip because i did a much too high dose in an unappropriate setting and i knew that i was doing this but i thought " Hey , i can take it , i'm a psychonaut , once i'm tripping , everything is in MY CONTROL ! "
Sometimes it even worked , i managed to make an otherwise 100% " sure to be a bad trip " situation into a relatively good trip. But sometimes i would just have a bad trip and afterwards i'd feel like this was an experience that made me improve , kind of like playing World of Warcraft or any RPG : that feeling of leveling up . You know : " yeaah ...lvl 65 , now i can get that Armageddon skill i always wanted ...shiit ..level 30 Plate Mail , this has Fire resistance + 89 ... sooo wicked , i'm gonna kick the crap out of those fire elementals on Luna Bay 63 " ( LOL )
kind of like playing World of Warcraft or any RPG : that feeling of leveling up . You know : " yeaah ...lvl 65 , now i can get that Armageddon skill i always wanted ...shiit ..level 30 Plate Mail , this has Fire resistance + 89 ... sooo wicked , i'm gonna kick the crap out of those fire elementals on Luna Bay 63 " ( LOL )
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=56
sweetsweetmary
15-12-2007, 19:26
hmm, no bad trip for SWIM please:laugh:. SWIM has had a few, a seizure on mushrooms, bugs on acid, just shit you never want to see. Never understood why these things happened when they did, but enjoys good trips:thumbsup:
Micutzul
15-12-2007, 20:42
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=56
I thought this was a strange kind of reply until i actually clicked the link . ALL I CAN SAY IS f******ckiiiiiiin ROFL .
Brilliant ::laugh:
Don't worry , i already quit all substances of abuse . But thanks for worrying :vibes:
wow alot of forum members arnt wearing any pants!
well anyways im glad to see that grandma isnt the only one that enjoys what shes learns from "bad" trips.
acolon_5
17-12-2007, 20:13
SWIM finds that he really learns more from more difficult trips while he might not always enjoy them, they are the most meaningful. He really enjoys the light hearted fun ones too.
Oh and SWIM never wears any pants.
RaverHippie
17-12-2007, 20:22
SWIM has never really had a bad trip before. Some have dwelled on negative topics, or become almost too intense to handle, but these have also been the most enjoyable trips. So if bad trips = intense trips, then those are the favorite. The light, happy nice, trips almost seem repetitive by nature.
x cynic x
17-12-2007, 20:35
Swim has gotten The Fear before only to realize that he convinced himself of total nonsense. But if he actually did learn something, it still would have been more enjoyable without the fraudulent terror. He learns more from thinking deeply than driving himself nuts with panic.
~lostgurl~
17-12-2007, 23:18
I gather that those of you talking about tripping in first person are talking about tripping on substances that are legal in every country because if not this would be self incrimination and worthy of infractions. Don't forget to SWIM when talking about use of substances that are illegal in ANY country!
Trips are never totally good or bad. He has his bad moments, but then he learns from it. And sometimes they aren't really bad in the sense of fear, but they are more desolate in their feel. Or just dark or have a pending feel of doom. Well many different things can happen to a monkey. But all those depths make the feeling, when one reaches the top, better.
Micutzul
18-12-2007, 14:49
Could you get an indecent exposure charge for not wearing pants on the street ? Cause ...too many people seem to enjoy not wearing pants :))
cashflow
26-12-2007, 07:52
I liek the ones where satan comes and tries to kill me, only problem is that i dont get em :(, don't even get nightmares anymore, guess i have nothing else to learn? lol.
Could you get an indecent exposure charge for not wearing pants on the street ? Cause ...too many people seem to enjoy not wearing pants :))
Remember were all at the computer, and the biggest online marketplace is ... well, i'm not gonna get into that ;)
I liek the ones where satan comes and tries to kill me, only problem is that i dont get em :(, don't even get nightmares anymore, guess i have nothing else to learn? lol.
Don't self-incriminate. The above was about your hypothetical friend. Can be the fun of adventure? Swim has dreams about wild animals, which try to catch and eat him.
AntiAimer
14-01-2008, 04:46
There are no bad trips, just different experiences.
Well, educational 'good' trips aren't usually fun or happy.
Anyone else despise the terms 'good trip' and 'bad trip'?
Despise the terms "good" and "bad" in most contexts.. indeed, "good" vs. "bad" trip is difficult to clearly discuss due to the subjectivity of good/bad.
Swim's one "bad trip" was really really bad, as in terrifyingly horrible, thought she was dying, in fact wanted to die to escape it.. couldn't remember who or where she was.. but she thinks that came about due to set/setting, dosage, inexperience.. now her trips are a mix of emotions and sensations, and cannot be exclusively termed good or bad, but overall they are worthwhile or she wouldn't keep doing it! :)
Despise the terms "good" and "bad" in most contexts..
It's true they are sort of meaningless, but it's damn difficult to get by without them.
It's true they are sort of meaningless, but it's damn difficult to get by without them.
yea i dont like the words either.
thread title change.
chemlove
15-01-2008, 19:12
SWIM finds that being in a relaxed state is the best, and sometimes a crazy hardcore trip makes it really hard for my friend to truly enjoy himself.
azrael2600
15-01-2008, 20:11
Swim actually prefers both,, Swim usaully gets something out of both a good and bad trip.
ThirdEyeFloond
15-01-2008, 20:50
Looking back SWIM would say both. His most lifechanging trips have been quite difficult trips, some might even call them bad. Getting beat over the head with things you know but don't want to hear for 8 hours straight in hell is hard enough as it is, the aftermath of integrating this into daily life afterwards and making changes where found appropriate no matter how much of a struggle it may seem is even harder though luckily not as intense. This is the only lasting solution SWIM has found to avoid the same issues turning up again on the next trip and the next...
On the other hand pure uncomplicated euphoria in drooling ecstasy is hard not to love too.
The rare mystical experiences seem to be a mix of both atleast in SWIMs case. Struggle with the ego over nothing and everything, followed by pure ecstasy once it finally gives in and dies another spiritual death.
samadhiVOID
03-02-2008, 08:47
Great post ThirdEyeFloond. The discussions of "well if you liked it, it's not 'bad'" is semantic word play, no substance. Contentment breeds stasis. Recognition of suffering sparks transcendence. To bear all suffering that arises creates God/Man. SWIM thinks psychedelics are an excellent opportunity to inhabit the perspective/space of fractured lower aspects of ourselves. Sometimes it requires beating SWIM's head with a brick but be is all the better for it. Reintegration is never without pain/pleasure.