SWIM's first Morphine Sulfate experience

[Corksil]

Hello to all the swimmers in the water today... SWIM has used the search engine, and he is using this post to compile information he has read, in hopes that someone who knows a lot can verify it.

SWIM has come into possession of 15mL of Morphine Sulfate liquid solution. According to the bottle, 1mL = 20mg. The small white bottle has an eyedropper built into the cap, with markings on the side. Apparently one dose is 1mL (one full eyedropper.) -- Likewise, half a dose is 0.5mL (10mg.)

The solution is orally active, and says "highly concentrated" on the bottle. SWIM is wondering what the best method of consumption would be. The search engine tells him that it would be IV, secondly would be rectally, and the third would be orally. If what his source told him was true - he has 15x1mL doses @ 20mg apiece. He has never IV'd anything before, but this seems to be the best thing he can find at this point. He does not have a needle, and he has never seen an IV done save entertainment purposes. (Bear with SWIM, he is still a virgin.)

Is it feasible to attempt to get a needle, and perform an IV on himself with no previous knowledge? He has done lots of reading, and has a firm idea of how the procedure works - just not ANY practical application. He does not know of anyone else who has done it, so he cannot get a friend to help. He will not try anything until this post has been 'approved.'

SWIM has OD'd on methadone on one occasion, and he does NOT want to repeat the opiate overdose experience. Will 20mg ORAL of Morphine Sulfate liquid be too high of a dosage for one with NO OPIATE TOLERANCE? SWIM is 145lb, Male, 6ft. In the event of an OD, SWIM would haul ass to the hospital/ER, or would it be smarter to attempt DXM consumption? He does not have access to Ketamine, or Nalaxone - which he reads are the reverse-effect chemicals for opiates. Would activated charcoal work?

Attached is a picture of the bottle of solution, with the dropper held up so all you swimmers can see it.

Thanks to all those who read this far into my post. SWIM sincerely appreciates the interest and is very grateful for any replies.

[MrJim]

Don't IV oral solution. It is not a wise idea. At all.
And Drinking DXM after will only mess one up more. Please read more here.

[Psych0naut]

Oral solutions often contain dyes and/or sweeteners and conservatives. Since the solution is pretty concentrated, rectal administration would be best.

[Corksil]

SWIM's trained turtle has been doing more research on things and has found this link to the object that was pictured above. According to the on-line product insert and what the trained turtle has read, A dose is between 10-30mg depending on body weight. The 20mg/mL syringe contains 1mL, so 20mg is the median dose. This is in accordance with what SWIM heard elsewhere in relation to dosing. His trained turtle thinks it's safe to try 1mL/20mg ORALLY -- Can any other swimmers add their two cents?

IV'ing oral solution = bad idea. Point taken, and feedback greatly appreciated... Would there be a hypothetical way of removing the morphine from the solution for IV or insufflation? From what SWIM's turtle read, IM is slower and more gradual than IV, though more effective than orally. -- Would IM be a contender for dosing methods? SWIM guesses this would be easier than IV?

Additionally, would a lower dosage be needed for rectal use? Is SWIM right in saying that 20mg RECTAL would be way more intense than 20mg ORAL?

Thanks so very much to all the swimmers in the pond today. (My turtle doesn't bite, if you run into him don't be afraid.)

[Lazarus]

20mg orally is a reasonable starter dose. Be safe. If it doesn't do it for SWIY, try 40mg orally. Morphine is fun and feels reeeeeeal good, until you find yourself addicted or dead. Hard to die from oral morphine use unless you are allergic or stupid. Easy to get addicted. SWIM lost about 3 years of his life to morphine/heroin addiction. Please be cautious and have fun.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Is this swimystereos very first morphine experience all together?If so than oral should be sufficient.

[Corksil]

This is indeed the first morphine experience. The turtle will be the one trying it, he has done methadone, vicodin, kratom, and that's pretty much all else that could be considered narcotic. He is excited to try the "gold standard" of all opiates. (According to wiki...)

SWIM will take his extraction question to the opiate chemistry forum, but what about rectal use? Would that be a more effective use of the chemical? Would it go further, ie smaller dose = same effect?

Assuming extraction was completed sucessfully, how about IM use? Is it feasible or are there other complications?

Thanks so much to the swimmers, the turtle is cautious and the thought of OD makes him hide in his shell.

[MrJim]

Just stay away from the needles altogether right now. Rectal would require less and have a stronger impact. That would probably be the best bet for potency, even more so than tthe insufflation route with purified morphine,

[Corksil]

The turtle tried 20mg oral today in about 2fl oz of purified tap water. The turtle is 140lbs and 6ft (he's of a large species.) He consumed 1.5 pork tacos 45minutes prior, which equates to a medium but not large meal. (If he is hungry he can eat three.) He consumed 10fl oz of iced-tea which contains citric acid at the time of the tacos. He got effects in 30 mins, although noticeable but weak. (He has had stronger effects from kratom.) 2hrs into the experience he felt as if the weak effects were wearing off and he drank one beer. The weak effects returned, but stayed weak.

Up to 4hrs after the experience he reported a gradual mood lift, but that may have been because the turtle was nervous about OD'ing and he lived after all. He speculates the following that it was a weak experience....

1) 4 days prior he consumed 10mg Methadone orally -- he was told that methadone's half-life is up to 190hrs (7.91days.)
2) He had eaten 40mins before the 20mg morphine
3) The citric acid in the drink may have tipped the pH in his stomach a little too acidic and as soon as the morphine entered his turtle tummy it was broken down by the acidic pH.
4) He had a multi-vitamin B-50 complex about 16hrs prior and something in that affected morphine uptake

How long should SWIM tell his turtle to wait before trying 20mg again? 1 week?

Additionally -- this was posted elsewhere..

Originally Posted by tayo

It can't be done, as I believe Psych0naut was the one who said it on the other thread titled "morphine vials", that the maximum solubility is 65mg/1ml (sulfate) and 55mg/1ml (salt).
but if another ml is added 130mg/2ml, 195mg/3ml. Alcohol would not help because MrJim says morphine has "about" equal solubility in water and alcohol (if i'm not mistaken). Hope that helps.

After reading that, SWIM is under the impression that 65mg of morphine sulfate could be dissovled in 1mL of water for IV or IM use. Is morphine sulfate different from what fell out of the sky and hit SWIM's turtle in the head? Thanks much.

[MrJim]

Yes, that is a different vial. One made for IV.

[Corksil]

Thanks much to SWIjim. All questions answered. Turtle is happy again.

[TheMorphineMan]

If effects were weak with 20mg, they are doubtful to get any stronger next time swiy tries it...go up to 40 mg and see how that does, shouldn't be too much if 20mg was weak (don't take my word on that, though).

And you will have an idea if you've done too much. You don't experience very weak opiate effects and then up and die of an overdose. I have come very near ODing with morphine sulfate (injected) in the past (approx. 120mg), and was incoherent, stumbling around, blurry vision, lips and fingernail beds were kinda blue, literally coming in and out of consciousness while attempting to stand up, bumbling around my front yard at 4:30 in the morning..i ended up passing out in my driveway...but i felt GOOD the entire time, morphine sick of course....i honestly didn't care if I died because it felt soooo goood (didnt go to the hospital or anything, but i literally felt on the verge of death...but i survived yay). Of course I am lucky to be alive, and the main point of this post is that there are signs that you are ODing. For one, you should never be fully incoherent/unable to function while morphined out, or you've probably done too much ("too much" = not necessarily an OD).

[Corksil]

This post does very much to help SWIC's turtle understand things. He wants SWIC to tell you that he is very grateful for the information, and he really appreciates knowing as much as he can.

SWIC's turtle almost OD'd on methadone. He can't even remember why he was messing with it, but he was and he did 20mg with no tolerance on an empty stomach. He was very much the same as what SWITMM described above. Because of this experience, turtle is very cautious when testing higher doses of opiates. If turtle is 140lbs, male, 6ft (yes he's a tall turtle...) is 40mg going to be pushing the dose envelope? Turtle knows that every species has a different body chemistry pattern and the like, so it's not possible to say, but turtle would like the opinion of someone who knows more than he.... Appreciations.

[madpad]

There is a considerable difference between a slightly too large dose and a dangerous od and you often don't know about it until afterwards but as you become more experienced you can tell a bit about how badly you've overdone it when injecting according to swim. If you're alone and iv od you are almost certainly out of luck but mst isn't a particularly nice drug to iv so people often try to avoid as much of the uncomfortable rush as possible by doing it a little slower. As to the dose, who can tell swims done multiple 100mg doses one after the other when swim didn't have that large a habit and the next person finds 30mg or 60mg more than enough.