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junglistNside
02-04-2006, 16:28
People have heard that it is possible to purchase benzos online. In the US I can only imagine there is a risk associated with this.
Does anyone know what the legalities are? I have heard that some sites have Dr.s that administer scripts making it legal.
I do know of someone who has done this sucessfully, this person however is a snob and wants his knowledge all to himself. The shitty thing is that the guy doesn't even profit form it, he keeps everything for himself. Some people......
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kritikal
03-04-2006, 08:37
Im sure he can be told advice on whether or not it would be safe to purchase them online. Not actually telling him WHERE to purchase them.
I Suggest you google about online prescriptions
junglistNside
12-04-2006, 22:46
honestly wanst looking for a source. just experiences or knowledge as to if it is even a realistic thing to do. It seems like the sites are there to bait people but I cant see how it would be legal. I wouldnt try myself at anyrate. Just asking out of curiosity
a lot of sites have docs that will give you an online consultation and seems to be legal. swim has signed up with a couple pharmacies, all have been shut down but one over time, and new ones surface in there place. swIm has been concerned a couple times wondering what was done with his info after they have shut down but swim has never had any bad experiences so far (fingers crossed). Also there are a lot of scammers out there so beware, just be sure to do your homework b4 doing business
hi i am a stewardess and use sometimes a benzo to be well rested for a long trip!
where can you buy cheap diazepam or oxazepam on the internet? i live in the netherlands, aren't there any online pharmacy's in mexico or somewhat?
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Swim heard that there are companies that sell drugs online (with only the completion of an online medical questionnaire), such as valium, ativan and xanax. Basically, they are saying that a dr's visit "online"(the questionnaire) will suffice for buying these perscription drugss. Is this true?
Orchid_Suspiria
30-06-2007, 04:42
Probably not.Swiy would be better off not triffling with it.
it's possible that some doctor is licensed somewhere and ships it out. some places do ship all sorts of rx drugs, whether to trust them is another thing.
Orchid_Suspiria
30-06-2007, 05:46
Trusting them could be rather risky.
Yes - many web sites sell valium for XXX or more a pill, no doctor needed - very expensive!
Orchid_Suspiria
30-06-2007, 05:49
Not only would swiy be risking getting ripped off they might also be risking legal troubles.
rxbandit
30-06-2007, 09:10
There are many online pharmacys that will send prescriptions illegally to the united states. I have heard several accounts of law enforcement officers showing up at peoples houses over these sort of orders. Many of these are based in foreign countrys and in these countrys many knock off pharmaceuticals are produced with little regard for regulation.
Orchid_Suspiria
30-06-2007, 11:08
Ah yah swiy might not even get what they ordered.What is meant to be diazepam turns out being some wretched thing like trazodone or something akin to coricidin.Then swiy can't read the label and doesn't recognize the foreign pill,so swiy takes what they think is a recreational dose of diazepam and gets a horrid surprise.
Well there are several options for the online ordering stuff. Yes highly illegal. First you have the rop consult, get the meds in the us next day. Then the iops, these are the foreign places that you gamble on. The stuff sold in the us tends to bring on more busts as DEA needs no permission for a country to give consent. IOPs, usually you will get a warning letter, but there has been busts concerning IOPs. DEA is really cracking down on meds in the mail. Again as mentioned one chances fake meds or what is swiy getting really as it may not be what swiy ordered. Not worth the risk in swim's opinion.
Orchid_Suspiria
30-06-2007, 16:45
Most definitely not worth the risk,all anyone would have to do is look at other posts on this subject to see that.
I've been trawling for online sources for about a year now, and I've come across perhaps a dozen legit benzo sources. The legit ones never offer prescriptions, and rarely have a website. They also offer FAR lower prices than the websites that offer prescriptions.
If I was SWIY, I wouldn't order from any website that offers to sell controlled medication with a prescription too. They nearly always seem to be scams, or massively overpriced.
Laudaphun
30-06-2007, 20:01
First I would like to say that I am not a lawyer or expert by any means, so basically anything I am saying in this post is merely based on what I've read and common sense. Although I believe that this information is accurate, I do not claim that any of this information is 100% accurate. Also, it applies to the United States. You must also keep in mind that even within the United States, laws can vary from state to state.
There are indeed places where you can order pharmaceuticals without a prescription, but one would generally be well advised to heed the old saying, "if it is too good to be true, then it probably is."
Some confusion may arise because the FDA has pointed out that the agency would not enforce the import prohibition when consumers with deadly diseases import drugs that are not available in the U.S.
As far as controlled substances that are available from legit pharmacies that won't rip you off works like this... A certain coutnry sells certain meds over the counter which are prescription in the United States. Now, since they are over-the-counter in the country where the pharmacy is located, it is perfectly legal for them to sell them to someone without a prescription, however it is illegal for the person to actually recieve the medication in the United States for example because it requires a prescription. So the pharmacy is abiding by the laws of their country by shipping the meds which are over the counter in their country. However, you are breaking the law in your country where you recieve them at because they require a prescription in the United States. I hope I'm explaining this so people can understand. Legal for them to sell/ship them but Illegal for you to order/receive them due to different laws between different countries. In most instances, the medications available from these types of pharmacies are typically low grade controlled substances in the U.S., such as codiene, codeine w/ APAP, ultram, and stuff like that. I know of only one benzo off the top of my head that is available OTC in the country I'm thinking about and it's not even available in the United States, but it is especially toxic in comparison with most other benzos and responsible for liver damage at higher doses or from regular use from what I hear.
There is a lot of misinformation regarding online pharmacies lately, partly because of all the scam artists, partly because online pharmacies twist words around to get you to order from them, and partly because our government can pass a new bill or law whenever and when they do so, we don't necessarily find out about it in a timely manner. There are many pharmacies that will ship you your meds, others that will just keep your money, and others still that will ship you counterfeit/fake meds. In the United States, to combat these online pharmacies as it is a growing problem in the eyes of our government, I beleive they passed some law that basically says that you must see a physician in person at least once before he is legally able to prescribe you any medication, hence the telephone consultations could technically get you busted. On the otherhand, there are a few online pharmacies out there who will supposedly send a Dr. to your house to give you a physical so that you can supposedly legally recieve presciptions from him/her after that. But, the prices after you pay for everything is the same or maybe even more than you would pay on the street. And you will not get anything higher than schedule 3.
From what I've heard, most people who mess around with ROP (online pharmacies which require medical records) normally get what they want, but they must have CURRENT medical records for the problem which they seek medication, and by current I mean within the past 2 years or something like that. While this may or may not be legal (I don't know for certain), I've only heard of people being busted when ordering from these type of pharmacies for double-dipping, meaning they are basically trying to order from multiple pharmacies which is most definitely illegal whether it is an online deal or doctor's office's in your own town.
Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, then it most likely is.
Swim thinks the original poster was asking about nrops, this is where you fill out a questionaire and voila drugs come via some way to swiy's house. Oh yes definitely illegal. Rops are getting busted and customers are having visits from the DEA about some of these places, so yeah not legal there either. Even if only one ROP is being used. Best to use common sense with prescription medications. Many still order but it is a gamble you know? Swim doesn't want anyone to think it is a legal practice. Oh yes the portamedic is also being challenged in the courts, so swim isn't sure of the legality there. Technically it is a face to face but swim doesn't know of many places that do that. It used to be common. Swim couldn't see herself going to Walgreens with a script from a place like that.
CHEMDUDE
19-07-2007, 07:51
never had aproblem getting diazys online without a perscription.but if one has a perscription from "a DR" THEN THERE IS NOTHING THE LAW CAN DO ABOUT IT ACORDING TO MY SOLICITOR..c_d
Your best bet is to get some carisoprodol (Soma), which, IMO, is stronger than any benzo. Its freely available on the internet. It also seems to have a similar relaxing effect, yet is more recreational IMO.
rxbandit
27-07-2007, 01:07
swim tried soma once... he was sitting on his couch looking at the clock. a moment later theres was drool all over his lap and the clock had progressed two hours like it was nothing. Not a good time in swims opinion.
I find it interesting that the out of country pharmaceuticals are being targeted. I mean they are even targeting the non recreational ones... is one right in his assumption that the pharmaceutical monopoly has something to do with this move in the war on drugs...
Nagognog2
27-07-2007, 01:35
How embarrassing. Getting arrested at your doorstep by the police delivering your Valium - which turns out to be rat-poison made in China and turned into blue tablets in India marked VALUIIM and cost $30 a pill. If I was a lawyer, I'd laugh you out of my office and send you to Legal Aid.
raven3davis
27-07-2007, 06:04
If you can buy it in real life, you can probably buy it on the internet.....somewhere...from someone, who may or may not be trustworthy. Its a gamble you take but there is always a gamble in gray area markets as such.
A note for people in the UK who are concerned about the legality of ordering benzos online:
While it is not without risk, it is a fairly safe country as long as you are ordering small amounts for personal use. The reason is that benzos (with the exception of temazepam) fall under a medical act, not a drugs act - *unless* there is evidence that the person has intent to supply. Possessing a small amount of benzos is technically an offense, but it is rarely prosecuted. Ordering 500 pills on the other hand, and you will quite probably be fucked as much as you would ordering any other controlled substance.
Ironically I'm not sure if this is the exact same in Ireland, but it probably is seeing as we copy most UK legislation word for word.
Swim heard that there are companies that sell drugs online (with only the completion of an online medical questionnaire), such as valium, ativan and xanax. Basically, they are saying that a dr's visit "online"(the questionnaire) will suffice for buying these perscription drugss. Is this true?
No. It has legally established that the online questionaires do not consitute a face-to-face meeting, records in hand, with a real-life docor.
Under almost no scenarios is ordering controlled drugs to your home mailbox lega.
The pharmaceutical companies definately have lobbyists who persuade congress to support the war on drugs. This forces us to only buy what they produce, which is also why the US pharm corporations charge such insanely high prices because we have no other choice. That's also a contributing factor to marijuana prohibition since people would use it for medicinal purposes more frequently if legalized and the companys can't put a paten on a plant.
wearestardust
05-08-2007, 05:23
In fact there are many legit places to get benzos w/o script. Depending where you live, legalities vary; some countries allow import of a 90-day supply. And don't believe most of the scare stories; most of these e-mail vendors sell nothing but the best.
We Are Stardust
wearestardust
09-08-2007, 06:14
Your best bet is to get some carisoprodol (Soma), which, IMO, is stronger than any benzo. Its freely available on the internet. It also seems to have a similar relaxing effect, yet is more recreational IMO.
This is because carisoprodol is metabolised into meprobamate, an ancient sedative hardly ever used nowadays, in fact, since the birth of the benzo.
WAS
Paroxysm
27-06-2008, 01:03
Hi there, first of all, swim would like to state he is in no way trying to get supplier names/ prices from this thread, but for informational purposes only.
Swim has been doing some research on benzo's (namely xanax) and had come across several websites that claim to sell them. He found this odd. Swim does not know much about pharmacology, but he thought it would be illegal to sell benzo's without a medical proffessional's prescription. Swim was wondering if these type's of websites are legit? Can pharmaceutical companies actually sell these types of drugs online (including pain killers too like oxycodone, tramadol, etc.)?
Panthers007
27-06-2008, 01:16
Those sites are an invitation for either a visit by men in shiny black shoes. Or being ripped off. Some may actually work. Most are rip-offs (and as SWIM would be breaking the law - he'd have no recourse but to suck it up), and SWIM would be inviting legal trouble.
Don't, SWIM. SWIM could even wind-up with counterfeit pills with unknown ingredients. Perhaps some country is trying to find a way to get rid of it's toxic-waste.
Paroxysm
27-06-2008, 01:24
haha, thanks for the response panther. Consider swim warned.
Well you can order those things from other countries. But it is highly illegal and if one gets caught they may be in big trouble. It is not worth is. And as stated one may not be getting what they asked for. Some internet pharmacies have their own physicians that will prescribe for people based on a submitted case history. But I seriously doubt one is going to see something like Xanax or Oxy. The physician would lose their license.
Now a number of years ago there was this guy who lived close to the Mexican boarder. One could submit a case history to him and he would take it to a cooperative Mexican doctor in Mexico. The physician would write the script and he would fill it at a mexican pharmacy and bring it back in labled bottles across the boarder. I forget which prison the guy is in at present. It did not last long. But for non scheduled drugs like anti biotics, pain meds and other things one can order them from legit Mexican pharmacies without a script with little fear of problem. Even though there are differing opinions as to the legality of it.
And as far as scheduled drugs some people are prosecuted and others just have the drugs confiscated with nothing said. Others get a warning letter and are put on a list. But never order scheduled drugs from other countries. It is way to dangerous. And if any SWIMMER makes the judgement error of doing this never sighn for a package or pick it up at the post office God forbid.
Panthers007
27-06-2008, 04:04
I beg to disagree. Bongo had ordered propanolol from a foreign outlet. British manufacture. This is a beta-blocker for blood-pressure - and a million other things. Trade name being Inderal. A postal worker called up Bongo and DEMANDED he come to the post-office and sign for it. Bongo said to simply re-deliver if he was out. He was told no way. "YOU come HERE!"
The state senators where Bongo lives had told everyone to break the pharmaceutical connection with the Bush Regime by getting their medication from the cheapest sources available. The costs of prescription drugs had gone through the rafters following Bush being appointed president. And Bush had received millions from these corporations to support his "campaigns." Where Bongo stood - it was legal.
But a post-office is NOT in one's state. It is Federal Territory. Bongo would have been arrested under Federal Law if he went there and signed. It was clearly a set-up. His attorney agreed.
Result: Bongo had to go cold-turkey off blood-pressure meds, had severe chest pains. Ended up in a hospital.
Well Bong must have had some bad luck. Because in general the feds are known not to bother to much with non controlled drugs. I am very suprised that this happened with a beta blocker. I have known it to happen with controlled drugs. Pharmacies in Canada and Mexico ship thousands of drugs every day to the USA with little problem. In fact I know one Mexican pharmacy that is reputable that actually has an office in the USA where you send your check. Then when the check clears they tell Mexico to sent the shipment. So I am really very suprised at Bogo's bad luck. :eek:
To clarify a few things that weren't definitively answered on this thread...
You can't get busted for having something shipped to you. If you accept delivery of the package then its an entirely different situation because you are acknowledging you were expecting it and know what is inside. I've never heard of a situation of something getting caught in customs, especially a small amount for a single person, and then police organizing a sting on the person expecting the package just to arrest them and charge them. Yes the war on drugs pays police, but arresting one person is small-time and marginal to them. And as I mentioned you can't be busted for having something shipped to you for the simple fact that there is no proof that you knew what was in the package or even knew there was a package being sent to you. If you could, I could hypothetically ship something illegal to anyone to frame them and there would be no question to their guilt to authorities. You aren't responsible for what other people send to you in the mail until it legally becomes yours.
The reality is that if customs catches something that shouldn't be there, they dispose of the package. I would estimate 9/10 times they don't catch anything because of the sheer volume of post coming into the United States. I know for a fact that they randomly select packages for screening, they don't screen each and every single piece of mail. For this reason, many overseas pharmacies mail their products in blister packs inside of padded envelopes so that it looks like an ordinary document being sent along with thousands of others.
There are websites out there designed to catch people trying to order from pharmacies online, and this is what I would say is the biggest risk in regards to getting caught by a trap. All I can say is make sure you research your sources extensively. Do not purchase from any website that you haven't read a genuine testimonial about (the ones on their website don't count). There are forums on the vast internet that discuss, specifically, online pharmacies and that is the best place to get information on reliable sources.
Beyond that, if SWIY wants to order pharmaceuticals online, they have to figure the rest out on their own. I provided what I knew about the situation, but I am not suggesting SWIY buys medication online. Use this information as SWIY sees fit.
What about the possibility of an online pharmacy that is DEA run?
What about the possibility of an online pharmacy that is DEA run?
Well I think it is unlikely. However not to long ago SWIM found a website that was selling all kinds of highly illegal research chemicals. And then SWIM found out that no one who ordered in fact got their order. The website appeared long after the chemicals were made illegal. So SWIM was very suspicious of this whole thing. Very suspicious indeed. :eek:
Don't be the first swimmer to try the website out. That's just stupid. Find reviews.
drug-bot
18-07-2008, 04:30
swims boy ordered 50 1mg klonopins from an online pharm located in either indonesia or the philopines and got the stuff without a hitch, so its possible to get benzos online (-script) if u know where to look.
benzos are schedule 4 in the u.s so even if you got caught you proberly wouldnt go to jail if you were ordering a personal amount, they'd more than likely just be confiscated.
swims boy ordered 50 1mg klonopins from an online pharm located in either indonesia or the philopines and got the stuff without a hitch, so its possible to get benzos online (-script) if u know where to look.
benzos are schedule 4 in the u.s so even if you got caught you proberly wouldnt go to jail if you were ordering a personal amount, they'd more than likely just be confiscated.
Well yes. But one needs to be careful because with smaller online pharmacies in far away places fake drugs are common. More so than most people think. So one is taking a chance in that manner. SWIM used to have a mambership to a forum where people rated pharmacies years ago. So that helps. But fake drugs are commonplace with on line pharmacies in far away lands.
snow_queen
18-07-2008, 04:59
swim has had experience with online pharmacies. swim was looking for adderall and they were "out" so she had to settle for Ritalin, which of course they charge an arm and a leg for. Membership fee, shipping fee, etc....not worth the 20 pills. They were shipped from Pakistan, of all places.
Luckily, what swim received seemed to be legit and served the intended purpose, however swim has seen too many news reports/segments about these online "pharmacies" and the ingredients they really put in these pills. From plaster to other foreign substances, many times these pills are not what they appear...and there is nothing the receiver can do to get their money back...that is if they are still alive after ingesting these "pills". One has to be concerned about their health and what they are ingesting.
Swim's friend might recommend that swiyou consider "seeing" a psychaitrist...saying swiyou have been having a long history of horrible anxiety problems that might require benzos as a treatment. It might cost more up front, but in the long run, it would provide swiyou with a legit, legal prescription that will assure swiyou will be receiving the correct benzo...with no fillers.
Plus swiyou will not have unwanted monthly charges on your credit card and most importantly...piece of mind. Swim's friend has had much success with this suggested method of aquiring perscriptions.
Of course, neither I, nor swim, would endorse or recommend any manipulation of ailments or prescriptions.
Solinari
18-07-2008, 14:56
I would like to point out that oxycodone (and alike) and high minimum orders with high shipping charges are thee number one weapon of the scammer. There are legit pharmacies out there that reply on repeat business and they will send what is ordered and it will generally be good quality. Of these legit pharmacies i have seen NONE that sell the likes of oxycodone, they sell tramadol and codeine with paracetamol etc. I have seen some that even sell buprenorphine injections and other partial agonist/antagonist opioids, but none sell potent opioid agonists.
Have said it before, there are forums out dedicated to this kind of thing.. People usually get LL (love letters) if the order is confiscated and no furter action is taken. Swim knows one online vendor operating from Panama who will reship a order ones with proof of confiscating (LL) letter.
If someone does research on those forums, they could find quit a bit. Oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine etc.. Would be very hard or nearly impossible.
Yeah...The authorities take things like oxy and morphine seriously. They will take action. There was a guy selling morphine over the internet. He charged a fee to take your medical history and take the history to a doctor in Mexico. The doctor would write the prescription and the guy would fill it in Mexico and bring the labled bottles across the boarder and then mail them to you. He was shut down quickly.
But what I have heard and I do not know if it is true. Is that when you get one of these "love letters" confiscating drugs that onces name is put in a database and if there are future transgressions then action may well happen. But I do not know all the facts. I think someone said that if your name is in the database then if a package looks questionable they enter the name on the package into the computer and see if it comes up. Then they are more apt to search the package. But I have no verification of this.
You can't get busted for having something shipped to you. If you accept delivery of the package then its an entirely different situation because you are acknowledging you were expecting it and know what is inside. I've never heard of a situation of something getting caught in customs, especially a small amount for a single person, and then police organizing a sting on the person expecting the package just to arrest them and charge them. Yes the war on drugs pays police, but arresting one person is small-time and marginal to them. And as I mentioned you can't be busted for having something shipped to you for the simple fact that there is no proof that you knew what was in the package or even knew there was a package being sent to you. If you could, I could hypothetically ship something illegal to anyone to frame them and there would be no question to their guilt to authorities. You aren't responsible for what other people send to you in the mail until it legally becomes yours.
This would be true if most websites selling such products didn't require online purchases using cards. In fact SWIM wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the packages stopped are actually part tracked through tracing the online payments.
Being sent an unknown package is one thing, being sent an "unknown" package having paid for it using a card registered in ones name & ordered via an IP address tracked to the same address is another.
Some countries there are no laws regulating import. However in certain countries there are explicit rules regarding such imports if one actually looks in detail. Agreed it may mean it's too much hassle in most cases to prosecute (that doesn't mean it's legal though nor exempt from prosecution if they have a good reason or incentive).
But what I have heard and I do not know if it is true. Is that when you get one of these "love letters" confiscating drugs that onces name is put in a database and if there are future transgressions then action may well happen. But I do not know all the facts. I think someone said that if your name is in the database then if a package looks questionable they enter the name on the package into the computer and see if it comes up. Then they are more apt to search the package. But I have no verification of this. Not sure about that one but wouldn't suprise me. Also swim thinks UK/EU better then US to get meds in the post. The company who sends a second order doesn't send anything to the US anymore, due to high cofiscating rate. Apparently the second order does have a reasonable chance to make it true.
wintrojan2k
16-11-2008, 02:22
SWIM has used the same vendor (IOP) from South Africa that offers perscription medications of all sorts for quite some time. SWIM has only ordered alprazolam (Zopax), 1mg tabs for 50 cents a piece. SWIM has been more than pleased with the packaging and great service. Pay with credit card and communicate via encrypted email service, never once a problem. From time of order to reaching SWIM's house maybe 5-7 business days.
When and if I become a Gold Member I shall post a tutorial on this in the sources forum, assuming someone else hasn't done a better job. For now let me say in the most general terms, do your due diligence in two ways. Remember: a) Con men are real. b) Benzodiazepines are addictive and are seldom useful medically for anything but short term use. The word "rebound" springs to mind. They are not very euphoric, and are generally best avoided. The withdrawals can last months and even years in some extreme cases. People used to heroin and methadone quail in terror at the thought of a full-blown benzodiazepine withdrawal. That said, addiction does take some time to establish itself, and often the dangers are overdramatized. However it is always better to be safe than sorry and avoid using this class of drugs on a long term basis.
Milk man
16-11-2008, 18:51
SWIM has used the same vendor (IOP) from South Africa that offers perscription medications of all sorts for quite some time. SWIM has only ordered alprazolam (Zopax), 1mg tabs. SWIM has been more than pleased with the packaging and great service. Pay with credit card and communicate via encrypted email service, never once a problem. From time of order to reaching SWIM's house maybe 5-7 business days.
swiy should remove the price in his post.
lorzapmail
16-11-2008, 21:41
Your best bet is to get some carisoprodol (Soma), which, IMO, is stronger than any benzo. Its freely available on the internet. It also seems to have a similar relaxing effect, yet is more recreational IMO.............
SWim supposes everyone has different likes and dislikes. To Swim, who has used Soma for 2 years for a back injury, plus othe meds. Can't image many agreeing with your statement.
gmeziscool2354
16-11-2008, 22:24
I've done some research into the laws of the us DEA before on several occasions for accademic and personal interests.
The way that many online pharmacies that have scheduled drugs work is completely illegal, but it is some what of a loop hole. They are vendors who legally purchase these drugs in countries where they can be purchased in bulk quantities. These companies pay people in the states a premium rate and give them instructions on how to keep best not get the medication confiscated. I'm not exactly sure how they do this. i blelieve reading that they send the packages from imaginary adresses. They definitely have a complex system that delivers the drugs to the set address. That part is illegal but its really hard to catch. also, the companies are completely based overseas, so the owners cannot really be prosecuted. Its not worth it for the countries to expedite them to US authorities for the amount of shit they are selling anyway. As said before, the operations are completely legit in their host nations
One has heard that these companies are usually very reliable, but quite pricey.
There are also american companies that sell unscheduled prescription drugs over the internet with out prescriptions. They are also 100% legal. Some one would recommend using these sites unless one has a serious habit, since they are cheaper and there is no risk of a package getting seized.