View Full Version : Snorting - Everything SWIY Needs to Know About Snorting Benzodiazepines
magicmaster141
18-11-2004, 06:07
Jatelka Edit: This is a combined thread, and the earlier posts were made before the rule on self-incrimination came into play
Are there any "snortable" benzoos? In other words just water solable right? Mainly thinking about k-pins. Thanks
I don't think they're water soluble - so, no.
Has anyone tried this? what are the effects like?
clonazepam isn't soluble in water, so it may not absorb as well in your
mucous membrane. but SWIM does have friends that swear by snorting
xanax, k-pins, and valiums that it fucks you up more. basically, it
might hit you a little faster by the small amount that is absorbed in
your nose. the rest will drip down your throat and absorb in your
stomach. SWIM would rather eat pills than snort them, since it doesnt'
do much more... unless you are talking about oxys.
MegaLab420
01-03-2005, 21:32
Im sorry, but this is just stupid.
Klonopins can disolve in you mouth and hit you fast enough this way. People looking to snort everything up their nose generally end up dead before their time would have otherwise been up.
yeah I am a thrill and a half seaker and I'll see you when you get there
whatever i've put lots up there doesn't mean one is more or less
sensable doseage comes into account lots of things. Just cause
someone likes to snort stuff doesn't make him an irresponsible junkie
(or at least anymore than anyone eating, smoking, or injecting the shit
too)
I thought that is what these forums were here for? Information so you don't make a stupid mistake or waste yer stash.
thanks for making ppl feel welcome!
have a nice day
I snorted xanax once which is like the same thing basically, i felt it, but not as intesnse
Thanks for a respectfull informative post.
twominds
04-03-2005, 11:09
As others have said its not water soluable. Most benzos in tablet form aren't.
Most of the affects that you feel from snorting a benzo are because the
drip eventually hits your stomach and gets metabolized. Snorting it
might let a very small part of it kick in faster, but the majority is
just absorbed normally from the drip. IF you like snorting, go ahead
and snort, but you won't get a much better affect from it.
brooklyn718
07-03-2005, 20:34
I remember a few trials form snorting. I would feel incredibly sped up, walk around in circles for awhile. Then It would hit me 20 minutes later and I would have the dizzy comfotable feeling all over my body. The effects last just as long as taken orally for some reason
sunshine
30-03-2005, 00:26
I would also have to say that snorting clonazepam is not such a good idea since it is so easily soluble in your mouth. just put the pill below your tongue and let it dissolve, you should get the same effects that you would from snorting it, if not more since some will be left in your nose when snorting it. I have been taking clonazepam for a little over a year now and snorting it never alloweed me to get all of the desired effects I knew from just orally taking it.
happatai
25-05-2005, 09:51
would it be fine to crush up a valium or xanax and snort it for the
same effects? would it be felt quicker, stronger, but shorter lasting?
(like vicodin)
i'm really all about timing... if i am going to mix drugs, i want the
experience to be with each drug at strongest peak, simultaneously. at
what time lapse should i mix a beer with some valium? just start
drinking once i feel the valium kick in?----- and as for smoking
marijuana while on valium, it takes me about 5-10 minutes to become
high, so take the valium maybe 5 minutes before smoking?
i really hate asking questions... but this forum is to help people, and you all seem friendly. thank you.
pokeymcsmot420
25-05-2005, 18:14
you can snort the xanax and valium for quicker stronger and shorter lasting effects, but i would not suggest it.
i would let them disolve under your tongue, should also be quicker stronger and shorter lasting, but wont burn, and also you lose lots of it in your nose.
i would suggest taking about 2 mg of xanax under your tongue and sparking a joint up while its dissolving. this will help it to dissolve quicker and help the taste. by the time your finishd smoking the joint you will probably be feeling the effects of both.
p.s. snorting vicodindoesnt really work that well, just eat em.
BlueMystic
16-06-2005, 23:03
would it be fine to crush up a valium or xanax and snort it for the same effects? would it be felt quicker, stronger, but shorter lasting? (like vicodin)
Pretty much all benzo's aren't water soluble. Meaning that you won't get any extra effect from snorting them. The only effect that you will get is when the drip comes out in the back of your throat, you swallow it, and it ends up in your stomach. Therefore, snorting benzo's is just a waste. Period...
Snorting vicodin is also a waste. For that 5 - 7.5 mg's hydrocodone you are also snorting 500 - 750 mg's of acetaminophen (tylenol). Snorting tylenol can cause some health issues including a nastylung infection.
Think about your actions and do some quality research. Don't just eat, snort, or smoke anything because you might think that it will get you higher then the way something is meant or not meant to be taken.Edited by: BlueMystic
Gahaba22
17-06-2005, 04:08
Very sound advice BlueMystic.
PUT THEM UNDER YOUR TOUNGE! you'll feel the effects much quicker!!
how does suglinqual absorbtion work differently from intranasal?
are the mucuous mebranes under your tongue more permeable somehow?
I'm pretty certain Versed/Dormicum (midazolam)is a benzo which is soluble in water..and thereforemore suitable for snorting - or iv if that's your choice.
Personally, I've experimented with the latter, which was quite an enjoyable experience..although a little amnesia (as expected) followed.
How well would snorting temazepam work? I know most benzos don't work well snorted because they arn't soluble in water, but according to rxlist.com
Temazepam is a white, crystalline substance, very slightly soluble in water and sparingly soluble in alcohol.
and for xanax they say
Alprazolam is a white crystalline powder, which is soluble in methanol or ethanol but which has no appreciable solubility in water at physiological pH.
So I would assume it would work better for snorting then xanax. So would temazepam give stronger affects snorted than taken orally?Edited by: Dextro
BrandonAA
25-08-2005, 20:42
i am going to make an assumption. assuming your source for that info is reliable, then yea obviously it would absorb well in your mucous membranes. damn temazepam is fresh ass shit, too. do it and post the experiance. good luck bro.
I just got a prescription for temazepam (Restoril) for the first time
ever today and this thread is curious to me cause if they work better
absorbed through the nasal passages than through the stomach, I'd
rather get more bang for my buck if you know what I'm saying. My
prescription is only for 10 so I have to get the most out of them that
I can.
Tried it...liked it...it burned a bit...not a bad thing at all.:applause:
What kind of doses are needed when insuffulating?</font>
PrideKills
21-09-2005, 03:15
As everyone else said, use them sublingually. Snorting them would provide just about the same effect.
pokeymcsmot420
30-09-2005, 04:55
the blue 1mg ones taste like pez sublingually
snorting kpins never has noticably increased affects forswimwhos tried it several times.
pharmapsyche
17-10-2005, 03:14
I've had two different experiences with Temazepam. One with swallowing the pill, and the other with snorting. With my first experience of swallowing the pill i felt a strong benzo-euphoria. With snorting, i felt something, but nothing that was quite as strong, but also i didn't get to snort as much as i swallowed the time before. To me, it didn't burn to bad at all, and the aftertaste wasn't all to bad, my friend at the time with me, hated the aftertaste and also reported to a little bit of burning. I think if i had the chance again i would probably swallow the pills, although i'd defiantly experiment with snorting them again too. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
Has anyone ever snorted ativan... ive taken a few mg's by mouth before and it fucked me up pretty good, however the ouking and falling and fucking my ankle up wasnt the best part... but has anyone snorted it, and the results??
markdahman
26-10-2005, 22:01
Benzo;s are not soluble in ur nose... useless 2 snort maybe ud get high off the drips but thats it.
Powder_Reality
18-01-2006, 16:02
SWIM would like to know if snorting lorazepam is an effective route of administration? What are the effects and recommended doses for snorting it in comparison to oral administration?
Lorazepam isn't water soluble, so snorting it isn't really a good idea. It won't dissolve in your mucus membrane, the only effects you'll get out of it are the drip down the back of your throat into your stomache, therefore you are better off administering it orally.
Sublingual ingestion. Break it up (lorazepams are small, you shouldnt have to) and put it under your tongue untill it's gone. Comes on much quicker.
XCorruptX
21-01-2006, 21:32
some lorazepam tablets are sublingual and some aren't... I took some lorazepam before and i just swallowed them, I never even heard of sublingual till reading this so could someone tell me if they were the sublingual kind would there be different effects and would this be bad to swallow it. thanx
IHrtHalucingens
21-01-2006, 21:46
i dont think there are sublingual kinds, u can administer any pill orally, sublingually, insuffated, and i guess IM and IV with some work. It just depends on the substance that is being taken whether one or another is better. Most benzos are not water soluble so not good to snort. however if u want the quicker acting effects then u can stick any pill under your tongue and it will enter the blood stream quicker. but last shorter. So it depends on the substance and your personal [preference.
XCorruptX
21-01-2006, 22:09
thanks but i have another question how does the water solubility effect snorting, does the pill have to be water soluable to feel the effects if you snort it..?
IHrtHalucingens
22-01-2006, 22:48
If the substance is not water soluble very little of it crosses the blood brain barrier which means you would need a higher dose to feel the same effects as popping it or dissolving it under the tongue. So basically its a waste of lorazepam to snort it and your are more likely to feel adverse affects of the drug because of the maount you must take nasally.
Snorting is a pure waste IMO.
Let them dissolve under your tongue or just chew on them.
3 - 5 mg would be enough.
Juicelvlan
17-02-2006, 21:00
Do you get a better and more intense high when you snort xanax, or would it be better to just eat it whole? dont go by saftey precautions, just give me honest answer.
IHrtHalucingens
17-02-2006, 21:14
Xanax has poor solubility in water which means very little of it crosses the blood brain barrier. It would be better to eat it whole or dissolve it under you tongue. If you can take the taste dissolving it under your tongue is the quickest acting and most intense way mentioned, but of course its not as long lasting as eating it. If your open minded enough you should read my thread on administering xanax rectally. Good luck.
like IHrt said the taste of that stuff is pretty nasty, I can't imagine anyone being able to tolerate the drip personally. I'm not sure anything that lacks anesthetic properties is really worth the trouble of snorting. just my opinion.
powderhead55
29-03-2006, 00:07
i was just reading about benzos and that they cant be snorted because they dont dissolve "easily" in water and i had an idea
this might be totally wrong, even stupid if you want to go that far, but i know from my cocaine days that hot-railing is quicker to come on because the coke gets hot as it travels up the tube and dissolves easier into the membranes, could this work for benzo's? its basically the principle that most things will dissolve in water alot easier if heated
SWIM doesnt have easy access to pills and really doesnt want to waste the ones he has if this doesnt work, anyone want to give it a try and report? (since there have been a rush of snorting posts lately) thanks
SWIM is sticking to sublingual ingestion on these. Doubt any significant change will happen when hotrailing benzos.
blondie8734
16-05-2006, 06:15
From Wikipedia:
Nasal insufflation (often called "snorting") sometimes occurs, but due to the drug's chemical structure, it is not absorbed through the mucous membranes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucous_membranes). Instead, the powdered tablets and mucous drip down the back of the throat into the stomach, where they are absorbed as they would have been if taken orally.
Therefore, insufflation of the drug is no more potent than when taken orally, and it often severely irritates the nasal passages.
Furthermore, nasal insufflation may be significantly less potent than other means of administrations on a dosage-per-time basis, because the mucous drip enters the stomach at a slower rate than traditional ingestion. Also, when the drug is snorted, the user often "passes out" into a deep sleep and later wakes up disoriented, having no memory of what occurred prior to sleeping.
SWIJ would also imagine that heating the inactive binders would be particularly irritating to SWIY's mucous membranes (and likely taste/smell of burning plastic!)
So the consensus here is: Do NOT insufflate (or even hotrail) benzos!
Pills are meant for eating.
And on that note... SLAM!
Swim snots, but is it bad to for SWIM to snort Xanax
It may not be bad for SWIY, but it is a highly ineffective method of taking it!
Xanax is not water soluble, therfore any absorption is via post-nasal drip (yummy). Besides who wants wax, chalk and all the other binder crap up their nose?
SWIM snorts xanax but prefers to pop some b4 SWIM feels this is much more effecive than taking a large amount, get about 1mg in your system if you have a lower tolerance start with .5mg
IHrtHalucingens
09-08-2006, 04:48
Try sublingual it works almost as fast as snorting and is alot more effective because as jatelka says its not water soluble and doesnt cross the BBB when snorted.
Nagognog2
09-08-2006, 06:53
Considering how fast Xanax seems to work orally, I'm waiting for someone to ask if they could drill a hole in their skull and just sprinkle the powder directly into their brain. Maybe squoosh it down there good with a chopstick or something, too. DoOd!
sourceman
10-08-2006, 21:19
It may not be bad for SWIY, but it is a highly ineffective method of taking it!
Xanax is not water soluble, therfore any absorption is via post-nasal drip (yummy). Besides who wants wax, chalk and all the other binder crap up their nose?
This is exactly right. SWIY will only get the effects of the drip, and not all the material snorted even makes it to the drip! SWIY is wasting his pills.
Sublingual is a fast way to take xanax but tastes horrible! Someone in the thread reccommended plugging (up the butt) does this work with xanax? seems like a lot of work when it has very high bio-availability when injested.. Maybe some people like stuff up their butt, but I'd rather swallow, lol..:rolleyes:
Also, friends don't let friend snort xanax!
Benzeneringz
17-08-2006, 21:42
Snorting temazepam definatly works. The trick is to spend some time crushing the powder after you empty it out of the capsule. Even though it looks like a nice find powder, it has many large chuncks that will not be absorbed to any significant degree. Use a jar to accomplish this task by rolling it over the powder several times.
jesusfreak666er
17-08-2006, 22:01
seems dumb, swim doesnt know how water soluble temazapam is, most benzos are not very and therefore snort poorly, plus restoril is so quick acting isnt the oral form nice enough, a good alternative to snorting is a restoril enema, there is a thread on enema benzos, buch more effective then snorting.
Benzeneringz
18-08-2006, 04:23
True, most benzodiazepines have no appreciable solubility in water. But "most" doesn't mean "all". A handful of benzodiazepines do have appreciable solubility in water. Temazepam is in fact water soluble, which means it can successfully enter the bloodstream through the mucous membranes of the nose and sinus passage.
Temazepam does indeed have a rapid onset of action when taken orally. But it has a more rapid onset when sniffed. Plus, you avoid first pass metabolism by sniffing the drug. Rectal administration is a lot like sniffing, but there are a few major differences between the two. Sniffing temazepam will result in a very rapid onset of action. The subjective effect is generally more intense: this is because the dose enters the brain virtually all at once. With oral administration, temazepam slowly diffuses into the brain at a constant rate. Rectal administration results in a quicker onset of action than oral delivery but a slower onset of action than sniffing. Rectal administration, like sniffing, avoids first-pass metabolism. However, the maximum amount of drug present in the body is highest with rectal administration. Sniffing gives a rapid dose of temazepam to the brain but has a shorter duration than rectal or oral. Rectal slowly gives you the highest peak plasma level and thus has a longer duration of action than sniffing. But since the "feel good" quality of any drug has to do with the time it takes to reach the brain. Since sniffing is quicker then rectal, it feels better. Trust me, I'm prescribed to temazepam and have done both.
SWIM just verified that lorazepam is insoluble in water -- and this immediately after snorting a tablet :(. WTF, this eliminates rectal administration as a possibility too, unless the stuff was dissolved in propylene glycol or something similar.
Edit -- it's interesting to note that the lorazepam SWIM snorted is having a pretty rapid effect anyway. It's certainly a much better quality of relaxation than he gets from clonazepam (the "sh*t sugar pill" of benzos, and nearly worthless as far as SWIM is concerned).
The water solubility of Temazepam is 164mg/L (ie NOT very soluble at all). SWIJ would love to take huge amounts of credit for providing this information, but she lifted it directly from these...
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134049&postcount=4
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134275&postcount=6
posts.
Anyway... Back on Topic: "Everything SWIY Needs To Know About Snorting Benzos"
Everything SWIY Needs to Know About Snorting Benzos: Don't do it.
case closed.
Swim doesn't use benzos very often and not really for recreational value just sleep, but he has a few friends who snort their benzos such as valium and clonazepam. Swim wondered if there is any advantage to this? Are the potentiated? Do they hit faster? His friends say so but it doesn't seem like there would be any sence to this if they work fine orally.
ANy opinions on this?
The majority of benzos are not water soluble, and therefore there would be no advantage to snorting them, as any effect will take place via post nasal drip (yummy). SWIY will also end up with nasal passages full of binders.
not that swim was all that interested in it but someof his friends claim that is the only way to go. can we say placebo? shesh
drugsrbad
14-12-2006, 08:45
I have had friends that have said the same thing. I always thought they were right before i started reading that they werent water souble. Even if they were watersouble, the five minutes quicker that they work isn't worth snorting binders and such. Even though swim thinks they burn the least of all pills he has tried....kind of refreshing acctually. The drip is just gross though.
Placebo effect is very strong in many individuals, if not all. The brain is jsut a bunch of chemicals and receptors so if you think it is working then your brain might jsut make it work and release the same chemicals.
Well first of all, benzos aren't very soluable in the mucus membrane (as mentioned above), benzos tend to be small pills but are most of the time 80% fillers due to such small doses ie alprazolam, clonazepam, lorazepam; so there would be alot of unwanted material flying up your nostrils too, the experience would las shorter, and benzos are absorbed well orally, rectally, and sublingually sp? so SWIY might want to tell his friends try those methods instead.
Now wouldn't taking benzo's rectally be dangerous because of the fillers? unless they was in pure form. Such a diazpam solution? And yes most benzo's such as xanax do come in very low Mg's so you would be sniffing mostly fillers. Valium is the only one that swim can think of that comes in a higher Mg's and smaller pills.:snort:
^^^^^^
Actually rectal administration would be much safer than snorting. The fillers do not really interact with anything in your anal cavity and the medicine is absorbed quite well this way. SWIdr has tried this method numerous times over the past year or so, and has a word of advise is SWIY is thinking about rectal: Lower your normal oral dose!!!
But anyhow lets get back on topic, is there anyone who would think snorting benzos is better than popping them? Because SWIdr would definatly snort some substances, he would rather pop or plug his benzos.
Psych0naut
25-12-2006, 10:32
Midazolam is the only exception. Midazolam is the only benzo that exists in salt form, in SWIMs case, Midazolam maleate (Roche, Dormicum)
Riconoen {UGC}
26-12-2006, 21:10
all snorting benzos will do is get you high off the drip and give you the worst pain in your nose since snorting sulfuric acid.
darkd3vil
04-01-2007, 15:34
indeed dont bother snorting benzo's, it will hurt your nose and you will only have some effect of the benzo dripping slowly to the GI tract. Midazolam can indeed be snorted being the only water soluble benzo. Sublingual for SWIM is a very strong and fast way of taking a benzodizepine.
Psych0naut
04-01-2007, 19:57
SWIM just found out that Flurazepam(Dalmadorm) is supplied as a salt as well, the hcl salt in most cases for as SWIM knows.
yes some rarely prescribed beanzos can be as or even more effective snorted than than orally taken, but most prescribed benzos (xanax-alprazolam, klonopin-clonazepam, valium-diazepam, ativan-lorazepam) are not very well absorbed when snorted.
darkd3vil
05-01-2007, 01:13
yes some rarely prescribed beanzos can be as or even more effective snorted than than orally taken, but most prescribed benzos (xanax-alprazolam, klonopin-clonazepam, valium-diazepam, ativan-lorazepam) are not very well absorbed when snorted.
So snorting your flurazepam might be very effective and as far as i think the halflife may be less then the usual 40-250 hours:eek:
darkd3vil
05-01-2007, 01:20
Just looking around Flunitrazepam(Rohypnol) is also a snortable benzo.
Sklander
07-01-2007, 01:21
^ The above post mentions a barbituate, not a benzo. Correct SWIM if he is mistaken...
Alprazolam is very insoluble in water, and therefore should not be snorted as a way of producing a quicker or stronger "rush".
SWIM is very experienced with using benzo's rectally, particularly, Alprazolam (Xanax). SWIM would recommend this method of administration to anyone looking to get good efficiency out of their drugs.
^ The above post mentions a barbituate, not a benzo. Correct SWIM if he is mistaken...
Well if SWIsklander is refering to flunitrazepam, he is mistaken. It is a very powerful benzo and rarely prescribed. SWIY may have gotten this misconception because of its association with "Date rape", because many sickos out there take advantage of this drug's, aka Rophy, powerful effects and spike girls drinks (mostly alcoholic) and then continue to have their way with them...
But back on the subject, yes flunitrazepam can be snorted to acheive a faster onset, but be careful because the pills have many fillers that are not the best for the nasal cavity.
SWIM has give or take 100-140 mg's (and alot more on the way ;-) of 99.9% pure alprazolam. Swim is very experienced with benzo's and knows how dangerouse pure alprazolam is (how incredibly small 2mg of pure powder looks) I am just interested in knowing what YOU guy think i should tell my friend is the best way of injesting? He was thinking about sublingual, but is wondering since it is such a meager amount, will it not somehow be absorbed poorly? Thanks alot!
WOAH!!! 100-140mgs, now thats alot....ohhh no wait, SWIY (someone who isnt you) just means he took that over the period of his life. By the way SWIY might want to read the rules about SELF INCRIMONATION. Sublingually or orally is the best way to take alprazolam, and SWIY might want to drink some grapefruit juice 20mins beforehand, you might want to UTFSE (Use the Forum Search Engine) on that one though.
Tappy: Here (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21700&highlight=dosing+pure+alprazolam) is a thread dealing with this topic. SWIY should be very careful dosing and always use a scale. Also be aware of the risk of addiction from having access to such a large amount of alprazolam.
Contrary to popular belief, the nasal mucuous membranes aren't based entirely on water solubility, and benzos CAN be absorbed nasally. However, most of them (aside from midazolam) have a much higher oral rate, so there's really no reason to snort them. Plus eating is much easier.
monkeyman
31-03-2007, 17:29
SWIM has some lorazepam and midazolam can either of these be snorted. SWIM thought midazolam could as it is a polar molecule but a search here didn't bring any relevant results up.
Also SWIM wonders can the fillers in a roche dormicum 7.5mg be removed through fairly straight forward methods?
The lorazepam will be of no benefit snorted.
Midazolam - It is certainly a VERY powerful benzo when injected - in fact a definate no no for self injecting - can be very dangerous. SWIM is unsure if snorting would have a similar dangerous level of effect but certainly be careful. In most cases its probably not worth it.
Unless a person is desperately trying to make good use of the last amount of a drug they possess the general rule would be just use benzo's orally - much easier(plugging another route takes a long time to prepare), no problems, healthier (no fillers to snort).
Because most benzos dont dissolve in water, why not mix them with with something they ARE soluble in and snort the liquid (preferably after filtering out the pill binders).
SWIM remembers snorting sambucca and tequila when young and stupid, so I don't see why you couldnt mix with propylene glycol (available at most chem suppliers OTC), or perhaps grapeseed oil and everclear.
I'm sure it will be a bit painful, but SWIM has advised me that she is going to try that right now and let you know how it goes ..
clonazepam isn't soluble in water, so it may not absorb as well in your
mucous membrane. but SWIM does have friends that swear by snorting
xanax, k-pins, and valiums that it fucks you up more. basically, it
might hit you a little faster by the small amount that is absorbed in
your nose. the rest will drip down your throat and absorb in your
stomach. SWIM would rather eat pills than snort them, since it doesnt'
do much more... unless you are talking about oxys.
SWIMvwould just take valium or mots benzos sujblingually. snorting binding agents andwhat have you else doesn't sound too good to swin. Um. swim took 10 10mg roche valium today. Eaerlier he took 2mg of Xanax (but I think there's a tolerance to the xanax cause swim's been taking 2-4 mg a night for the last couple of weeks. SWIM certainly doesn't do it for pleasiure, it's a come down thing where xanax is preferred but there were only 2x1 mg left and 240 original Roche diaazepam. Sorry for the weird explanation, swim can barely read wahat I type. If I focus I can stay awake but I feel like if i closed my eyes for more than 5 seconds it'd be lights out. us ttrying to stay up a bit longer so I can be on a normal sleepoign pattern.
Anyone have any either firsthand experience, or factual knowledge backed up by research, regarding the different modes of benzo administration? Swim's always taken orally and had the desired effects.. but she wonders about sublingual vs. oral, and how the actual dosage/absorption differs.. as well as if crushing/parachuting pills orally as opposed to swallowing them in tablet form is more effective.. She recently underwent "conscious sedation" procedure for some dental work, took 10mg diazepam the night before, .25 mg midazolam orally/swallowed at 6am, plus a 0.5 clonazepam for good measure. arrived at dentist at 7am, hooked up to nitrous, and was then given another .25 midazolam within the half hour, only this time they crushed it and had her take sublingualy. These were the same pills- not two different versions for different methods of ingestion.. so how would this compare? Swim was apparently conscious and fine during the procedure, but remembers hardly anything, so she can't really shed much light on the comparison between the two different routes.. thanks for any input..
SWIM has snorted xanax on many occasions just because he enjoys snorting tings lol he has felt rushes when insufflated but also tells others it is almosst if not 100% worthless and SWIM also prefers popping his bars :)
Solinari
01-03-2008, 15:27
As far as i know, midazolam is the only water soluble benzodiazepine that exists (there may be one or two other obscure ones i don't know about), so i imagine sublingually would be similar to snorting.
Personally i don't think snorting would work very well for most benzodiazepines, but if some people think they get instant effects then who i am to say they don't. Never the less, i think the majority of the effects come from it eventually being swallowed and the faster onset could be a result of the pill being crushed up.
fiveleggedrat
31-05-2008, 02:11
Snorting works for my cat. Xanax/alprazolam, specifically.
Swim's cat finds oral consumption, first dissolved in water, is the most efficient method for both benzos and opioids. His personal opinion, though. Snorting does not last as long, as is not always as intense.
NEUROROGUE
23-07-2008, 17:51
Just Like SWIM's said..... BENZOS ARE NOT WATER SOLUBLE. IF you do not believe me just google it and look under " for health professionals". Just do your' research. But that is the whole point of this site to learn and share. Good question !
jj_redick_stud4
02-12-2008, 06:39
If SWIy is looking 4 a better "buzz" or what hav u, cut the bar into 4 peices & snort 1 square & titrate dose from there. Insufflation will work better bcuz it increases bioavailability (amount able 2 reach the blood stream), but has its downsides. Snorting pills can damage the nasal cavity because most pills contain fillers (waxes, etc..), & aren't freebase. Most pharmaceutical pills are x_substance HCL (hydroclhoride), meaning it is acidic (i.e bad as hell 4 the nasal cavity). If SWIy chooses 2 snort, make sure the outer coating has been removed.
SWIM is assuming the zanny bars are 2mg. Cutting the bar into 4 peices will increase the absorption rate simularly to chewing the pills & will hit faster most likely.
Snorting xanax like most benzos barely do anything if not nothing at all when snorted except the drip that goes to your stomach, which would be like just taking it orally. Most benzos are not water soluble or barely water soluble which means that it won't absorb well in your mucas membrane that are in your nose. If you want more absorbtion of the drug plugging it is the best way and it absorbs very well orally to. BTW SWIM took 3 bars, 1 30 mg temazie,and has been smokin weed so he said he's really fucked and is sorry if grammar and puntuation is off.
gmeziscool2354
02-12-2008, 07:11
yeah, This class of drug usually is not in the HCL salt form. and it is also not soluble in water. the liver hydroxylates them, at least in the case of alprazolam (xanax). Interestingly Alprazolams hydroxylized component is also psychoactive, which is very interesting.
snorting xanax would actually be less efficient than oral administration.
fiveleggedrat
02-12-2008, 17:37
Snorting xanax like most benzos barely do anything if not nothing at all when snorted except the drip that goes to your stomach, which would be like just taking it orally. Most benzos are not water soluble or barely water soluble which means that it won't absorb well in your mucas membrane that are in your nose. If you want more absorbtion of the drug plugging it is the best way and it absorbs very well orally to. BTW SWIM took 3 bars, 1 30 mg temazie,and has been smokin weed so he said he's really fucked and is sorry if grammar and puntuation is off.
Snorting benzos works. Snorting not working is a myth. And no, it's not like taking it orally. Ground pills go into the sinus cavity and absorb through veins there. It hits quicker, lasts shorter, and avoids first pass metabolism. It is not the mucus membrane in the nose that absorbs drugs. And plugging is not effective for all benzos, and this is experience talking. It's usually weaker than oral.
fiveleggedrat added 1 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...
take on an empty stomach!
And yes, benzos seem much more potent on an empty stomach, and definitely take effect much quicker.
Herbal Healer 019
02-12-2008, 23:46
Snorting benzos works. Snorting not working is a myth. And no, it's not like taking it orally. Ground pills go into the sinus cavity and absorb through veins there. It hits quicker, lasts shorter, and avoids first pass metabolism. It is not the mucus membrane in the nose that absorbs drugs. And plugging is not effective for all benzos, and this is experience talking. It's usually weaker than oral.
I thought so, AFOAF has snorted diazepam & he reported it to have worked well. He says it was a long time ago but thinks it was weaker than oral an oral dose but isn't sure.
Can't seem to find the bioavailabilty of the various routes of administrations with alprazolam, other than a simple 80-90% which I assume to be oral.
It would help if some1 posted the bioavailability of various benzos with the various routes of administration.
jj_redick_stud4
03-12-2008, 08:39
"A drug that is snorted or snuffed is taken in through the nose, where it is absorbed through the mucous membranes lining the nasal passages." (National Institute of Health; http://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih2/addiction/guide/lesson3-1.htm; in section titled Drugs Enter the Body in Different Ways. So yes when SWIY snorts something it is absorbed through the mucous membranes and SWIY might be right about it absorbing in your throat for SWIM hasn't any knowledge in that area. When someone snorts something the drip that's swallowed is absorbed in their stomach. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3372 here's a thread for SWIY where it explains that because xanax isn't water soluble when snorted it is POORLY absorbed. SWIM never said it wouldn't do anything he just said pretty much that it's a waste of a bar, burns the nose really bad, and is the worst tasting pill. So it's dumb to SWIM however this is just SWIM's opinion and SWIY could disagree even some of SWIM's friends are addicted to snorting and will snort just about anything which there's nothing wrong with it SWIM guesses if SWIY likes it but it's scientifically proven that snorting xanax and most benzo is an ineffective administration of the drug compared to other methods. When taken orally it's the slowest method for it to absorb in the bloodstream and sometimes so long that the enzymes in your digestive system start breaking down the drug so it can be cleared from the body however the absorption rate in xanax is from 94-100%, so taking it orally SWIY will absorb almost all of the drug. As for plugging, SWIM never said that plugging would work for every benzo but it will for xanax. Plugging allows a drug to be absorbed more effectively in the bloodstream at a pretty fast rate. SWIY says they have experience but SWIM doesn't know SWIY has experience because SWIY hasn't shown anything that can validate his credibility. BTW if SWIAnyone would like SWIM to cite a source of anything he said in this post for validation then SWIM would be more than gladly to do so he's just way to lazy to cite every single thing lol. In SWIM's opinion he is very experienced in xanax and restoril but thats as far as it goes for benzos. he's takin k-pins, valium, restoril, xanax, and ativan but other than the bars and temazies listed ahead its only been a single use. SWIM's town is very big into xanax and dope(meth). SWIM is scared shitless to ever try dope and xanax easily found its way to his DOC fast when a couple of his friends found a guy that knew a crooked pharmacist that SWIMyFriends were getting a 100 pack of em, so at first SWIM was just taking a bar or two, and when he would go above that he'd black out well finally SWIM got to where he could take as many bars as he wanted and would get more fucked up but wouldn't black out. So SWIM got to where he was taking 6 and a half bars at a time cause pretty much whenever SWIU needed them they could get them, except they used their connect in some moderation because when actual bottles,not prescription bottles that they give normal people but the bottle shaped like a square that come with 100 and says 2mg alprazolam and has that tin foil seal in the top of the bottle that they recieve from the company starts to "magically vanish" it raises eyebrows so after about 3 months of them having this connect it finally ended and SWIM's guess would be for the above reason. So SWIM went through the withdrawls of xanax which at the time he didn't realize how bad withdrawals from benzos actually were. he experienced terrible tremors, high anxiety, depression, paranoia, and agrophobia(afraid to leave his house). He said everything but the depression was gone in a week or so but the depression stuck for atleast a month. So yes SWIM has experience which experience is a good thing but knowledge about the topic is more important than experience although knowledge without any experience isn't good either because everyones body reacts differently than others so SWIY has to know their mind and body and to really find that is by having experience
jj_redick_stud4 added 12 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...
Also SWIM forgot to say that even with his experience with xanax he also cannot validate his claim even though SWIM is being completely how can SWIY prove that. When in a thread and the topic is asking for experiences or SWIY's opinion that's fine but when it comes down the scientific aspect of a subject SWIM's belief is that SWIY needs to be able to have scientific evidence to back it up by a reliable source
jj_redick_stud4 added 95 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...
Oh and oddly enough yesterday SWIM got his sleeping pill changed from 30mg of restoril to xanax 2 mg. Swim didn't even go in there trying to get prescribed xanax swim jus needed something different cause restoril 30 mg wasn't doing anything for him at all except relax him and if he took more than his prescribed dose then the days at the end of the month when he had none he'll go two different days without any sleep the previous night. So when she told him she was gonna give him xanax the maximum dose she could give swim. Swim prob shoulda said no but swim loves them so much it was like now swim can use them and not have to worry about the law but swims going to get addicted to them again but swim really cant help that he cant sleep and these help
claroscura
08-12-2008, 20:31
contrary to popular belief, benzos are slightly water soluble. snorting is an option; their effects do hit you much faster this way (from what i've heard), but probably not all of the drug is getting used.
it's more effective to take them sublingually. some of it is immediately dissolved into the bloodstream via the vessels under the tongue, and the rest you wind up swallowing. a waste-free, nasty-tasting solution (depends on the brand, though; swim has tried teva 1mg and they're sort of sugary-tasting).
snorting ambien on the other hand put swim into psychosis.
NEUROROGUE
11-01-2009, 02:07
In SWIMS EXPERIENCE, snorting XANAX and most benzo's is a waste. This is so, because some gets trapped in SWIMS nose and a little amount of that trapped substance reaches SWIMS stomach producing some of the effects as if swallowed by SWIM. Furthermore, some people snort there substance on a dirty surface which can bring hepatitis { ALTHOUGH RARE } and other ailments. IF SWIY is going to snort the substance then make sure the surface is clean and have fun wasting your' product!!! Last but not least, even if the surface is clean there is still a chance that snorting can cause hepatitis {ALTHOUGH RARE} and other ailments that you do not want. Just stick it under the tongue until it dissolves if you want a little faster kick. Remember saftey first!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
phatassone
18-01-2009, 09:05
snorting benzos is pointless, they have a far higher BA orrally...
Boca Bitch
20-01-2009, 09:06
Im sorry, but this is just stupid.
Klonopins can disolve in you mouth and hit you fast enough this way. People looking to snort everything up their nose generally end up dead before their time would have otherwise been up.
I'd like to hear your theory on why snorting is considerably more deadly than ingesting. Or perhaps this is based upon your own beliefs and not fact?
Many people who "wish to end up dead before their time" use the snorting method of consumption to measure out an appropriate dose, instead of blindly guessing for an oral administration. See... the main danger in recreational drug use is that one gambles with potentially lethal substances without the assistance of a doctor to measure a perfect dose. Snorting allows one to take the substance in small amounts at a time, "feeling" their way to the perfect amount. The problem with oral ingestion is that one is never sure how much they're taking, until the effects set in almost an hour later.... obviously increasing risk of overdose when done in higher amounts.
XanderCrews
13-02-2009, 19:08
SWIM likes snorting clonazepams, especially the green, disolvable ones. Minty fresh!
tyranny4u
21-03-2009, 17:49
now that we know that most benzos won't be absorbed very good through
the membranes, let's think further: a xanax pill might weight 100 mg approxi-
mated. let it be 90 mg or 120, the tyrant has no scale as he doesn't sell
stuff.
so the substance is 1 % of the total weight.
you crush it and snort it and expect it to come in strong.
and now let's change the scene: the tyrant meets you in a club or at your
mates house.
he says to you: "hey, i've got some nice speed. it is ONE PERCENT! wanna
try a line? you only have to snort a 3 meters long street within a minute to
get some effects!"
got the idea?
youandmeandrainbows
24-04-2009, 00:12
Ok here goes...
SWIM's only experience with snorting benzos was quite a long time ago. Years ago SWIM found some 10mg diazepam and decided to snort them and then go see a movie with her friend. SWIM snorted 5 of the 10mg pills.
SWIM doesn't recall much burning after snorting them, but her experience didn't really differ much from taking diazepam orally.
Honestly, SWIM has never had much success with using diazepam recreationally. The few times she has taken it she either didn't take enough and felt nothing or she took too much and woke up not remembering much of anything. For her finding a happy medium never happened and she doesn't really find diazepam to be "fun" in any way (not being able to remeber feeling buzzed or having a good time kind of defeats the purpose to her).
Sooooooo, I don't know if this has been any more enlightening than any of these other posts but SWIM feels that snorting the diazepam was relatively the same as just taking it orally. BLACKOUT. So where's the fun in that?
SWIM prefers alprozolam or temazepam over diazepam, but has never snorted either. In her opionion snorting diazepam was truely unnesessary!!!!
Please be safe!
Snorting pills is NOT advisable!
SWIM once snorted Xanax, and it was horrid. Yeah SWIM felt a little loopy and drunk for a short bit, but the burn was just not worth it. Worst. Burn. Evar. And this is coming form a person who chooses to snort pills regularly. SWIM is slowly getting off the toot toot train though. SWIM would hate to have an ENT look up their nose one day only have the their opioid contract shredded to bits.
Back on topic: SWIM does snort benzos, and just (like 10 minutes or so ago) took a 15 mg Temazepam up the nose to see if SWIM can finally catch a decent benzo buzz. It's a new scrip and it's in capsule form with very fine, fluffy powder inside. Little burn, no real taste, feeling sorta groggy...but not too groggy to communicate via speech nor the written word thus far. SWIM's brain may just not play well with benzos, even via oral administration. Maybe SWIMs brain is an opiate snob. *shrug* Maybe they'll synergize nicely with SWIMs 60 mg MSContin (taken via mouth only, as SWIM hates waxy globs in SWIMs throat).
venusia added 27 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...
SWIM likes snorting clonazepams, especially the green, disolvable ones. Minty fresh!
SWIM also enjoys the minty goodness of a clonazepam. It's a breath mint AND a medication in one. ;) One thing SWIM has found is that the Mylan clonazepams do not have that minty fresh drip, just the nasty ol' pharmie drip and burn. Yuck. Caraco brand, so far in SWIM's experience, is the minty one.
baron samedi
11-06-2009, 22:22
SWIM has never tried snorting benzos before. He's tried Diazepam and Lorazepam by swallowing whole, plus one experience of chewing some Temazepam.
Going off track slightly, is chewing or swallowing benzos more effective? And is sublingual admin more effective than oral anyway?
claroscura
11-06-2009, 22:43
advantages of sublingual administration do mean that, yes, the drug is not subject to first-pass metabolism. (however, not that much of the drug is even lost in first-pass metabolism in the case of benzodiazepines.) in some sense, then, it is more effective this way. however, benzos are not fully miscible in water - which means that not all of the drug can be administered this way. swim theorizes (NOTE: "theorizes") that this may be the most effective mode of administration, assuming that whatever is not absorbed directly through the mucous membrane is later swallowed. swim also theorizes that there is a higher probability of increased mucousal absorption in this route than through insufflation, because of the increased moisture in the mouth relative to the nasal passages.
chewing before swallowing generally means that absorption will take place faster/sooner. obviously whatever stays stuck to one's teeth would be a waste.
parachuting is the slang for another oral method of administration, in which the user crushes the pill before placing it in something like a piece of tissue. this speeds up absorption and minimizes loss.
flashcash
11-06-2009, 23:49
swim knows benzos have lower bioavailability in the mucus membranes and are not completely water soluble. that's why swim always does 0.5 oral (chewed) and 0.5 snorted.
0.5 is the maximum dose swim can snort, if he snorts 1mg he feels it exactly the same like 0.5 and its indeed a waste. but eating 0.5 and snorting the other 0.5 he feels the incredibly fast and intense kick from the insufflated part and the eaten part keeps him high after that initial kick. ( when snorted xanax last shorter for swim )
flashcash added 10 Minutes and 23 Seconds later...
Oh and BTW, Alprazolam, Bromazepam and Diazepam are the snortable benzos in swim's experience; when crushed they go into a soft, light powder that can easily be absorbed in the sinuses or under the tongue.
Swim has also snorted Clonazepam and Lorazepam but it depends on the brand, some brands of these come in a hard form and are difficult to crush and the powder is hard even after being proper crushed, but again, it depends on the brand, swim has had clonazepam and lorazepam that were very soluble as well.