View Full Version : Experiences - zyprexa (Olanzipine) ruined my life
omen8productions
24-10-2006, 20:50
i was being mistreated by a team of psychiatrists for addiction and what they thought to be bi-polar disorder. after several anti-depressants, benzos, (which i abused...duh), ADHD drugs, (again, abuse), i was put on a routine of zyprexa (25 mg), seroquel (400 mg), and zoloft.
my insurance ran out six months ago, a blessing. i could no longer afford the staggering 2300 dollar bill a month. there are no generics and these drugs are rarely covered. i stopped cold turkey.
i started to awaken in the true buddhist sence. lookning around and seeing the world for what seemed like the first time ever. other than daily headaches...i am cured.
i do not know whether it is psychlogical, or chemical. if my psyche changed, i was too doped up to notice. should i sue someone?
Only if SWIY was forced into treatment against his/her will, and/or was coerced into taking medications they didn't agree to take (or thought they could convince a judge of that).
omen8productions
25-10-2006, 05:00
yeah. suing someone was sort of a joke. it does bring to light the question of how to deal with a dual-diagnosis addict. the initial prescriptions for benzos and amphetimines excited me in the doldrums of addiction...and i did not even have to try to obtain these substances by exagerrating symptoms. as an addict it was my duty to take them and abuse them. only after several stints at rehab and detox did the physician sort of connect the dots. yes though, the problem was mostly my fault.
the initial prescriptions for benzos and amphetimines excited me in the doldrums of addiction...and i did not even have to try to obtain these substances by exagerrating symptoms. as an addict it was my duty to take them and abuse them.
Frankly, that sounds ridiculous. SWIM is probably "an addict" by program-y definitions, and takes clonazepam (benzo) exactly as prescribed. Less, in fact. It does nothing for him, and abusing benzos is really dangerous.
Stop defining SWIYself through the eyes of others. What happened to this supposed awakening in the Buddhist sense? SWIY should get over this "I am an addict" crap they drum into you, and all the other conditioned nonsense about how he/she is therefore supposed to behave.
omen8productions
25-10-2006, 05:33
what you said is valid. SWIM is sorting through a lot of self-evaluating, label nonsence. the "supposed awakening" was described as beginning. the start of a process. SWIM still takes seroquel as perscribed and feels benefits, and takes a low dose.
benzos are indeed danderous. SWIM has a seizure disorder attributed to clonanepam abuse, which will probably be permenant. a fun little reminder from god.
it is good to hear feedback though. it is all pretty confusing.
peace.
Peace to you too... sorry if SWIM came across a bit harsh, he didn't mean any offense/insult.
What SWIY said about benzos came across as silly (to put it more nicely), as if he/she were supposed to abuse them because they were 'an addict', and did so mainly for that reason. Perhaps that wasn't the exact meaning intended.
omen8productions
25-10-2006, 16:47
thanks. i think the fact that SWIM is an addict was only included to illustrate the absurdity of a doctor, (doctors), that thinks more addictive drugs would help with any problem. as an addict, SWIM was confused and excited to have a legal supply of new toys to play with. he only blames himself, acknowleges and attempts to treat the problem spiritually.
mickenator
26-10-2006, 21:05
I'm sorry to hear that swiy has had such a hard time on Zyprexa. Iam perscribed this medication for my pscyzophrenia and have found it works a treat. I have taken a few at once too see what happened and just fell asleep feeling crap the next day, so I have found that this is not a drug that I personally would abuse. It is also good that swiy has had no lasting problems now that they are of there meds.
Micklemouse
26-10-2006, 21:16
Apart from making an almighty hole in the bank account, how exactly did Zyprexa 'ruin' your monkey's life, Omen8'?
omen8productions
27-10-2006, 00:19
the subject of the thread was meant to be sensational. SWIM thought the tale was worth sharing and wanted to see if anyone else had any sort of profound experience coming off anti-psychotics, namely zyprexa. his vision is clouded however, as the experience is still unfolding.
insurance covered the zyprexa.
who knows what happened? how does anyone know about anything happening? but seriously...
the thread's title could just as well read: "zyprexa saved my life". SWIM would prefer to think that this positive life change was more of a spiritual one though. SWIM just isn't the kind of guy to parade around raving about the prescription industry.
stoneinfocus
27-10-2006, 00:52
swim was blamed for being brutal and dangerousyl violent because swims parents diidnßt want to let a faggot become a pro sportsman, so he was prescribed by Dr. Mengele Zyprexa and Risperidone ´which led lactic acid run through his venses ruining 5 years of amateur 2 years of those pro sport work of the past during only those 5 1/2 weeks of forced treatement, althouzgh never being even unpolite from second one there, and 3 years into the future, stigmatizing swim, while swims parents tried to feed and make swim fat under therapy with about 1 pound of choclate/ day and lemonade although they´re sugar-haters and swim being drugged until neuroleptic syndrome, being ADH, so this treatment the hell for his mind and wellbeing, too.
You could sue them, for this kind of medicating is absolutely non-sense, and I´ve never heard a drug addiction being treated with benzos (maybe acute phase of h- withdrawl) an amfetamines, -did they ever read the packing insert????but then medicating into the absolutely opposite direction, concerning neurotransmitters, is straight-out priming a scenario with addictive drugs, that "must" be treated with other drugs and feeding the pharmaceuticla company, which I´m sure of, is a sponsor of this team of "doctors"! -go ahead, if you´ve got the time, sue ´em the hell out! -it´s about time for those maggeds getting once again busted for their pseudo-scientific experimenting with human lives ad libitum, enriching themselves and others on cost of desotientated or bashed, poor, powerless underpreviledged people!
I have slept klike a bay befor abnd until now I´ve the worst sleeping pattern ever!!! No illegal drug did this to me, nt even srtatmics hafd the power to destroy my live the way my parents and their fascist doctor friends could.
If swim would get waway with it he would humiliate and/or kill them, not out of anger, for punishement and eye for an eye, and any related to this kind of system straight ahead, being sure to do the world and all humans a big favour!
Well if you´ve got the time, sue em, pleaaaase, you´ll have a very good chance!
stoneinfocus
27-10-2006, 01:05
swims muscles and cardio vascular system still doesn´t recover from physical stress that well, it´s a whole big mess, only amphetamines seem to help lately, as ultima ratio, not getting but now producing them, after unsuccessfully trying for 2 years with normal steroids and peptide drugs,..., it´s a joke -10 grands of best dope/ year that´s supposed to work for sure in every athlete didn´t / doesn´t hardly work/anymore, being a worse rider tha,n he was without it, although it really did wonders to swim everytime as it does 100% for sure to all other athletes, before he was "treated".
It´s also very dangerous for your bloodpressure and heart-attacks seem to be an issue, musch worse than cocaine or any stim, swim thinks but he´s just a stupid psycho with no knowledge of pharmacology and his body whatsoever, being into sports and science since nearly ever, but as a fag being mental anyway.
Swims had a bodyfat of nearly 2% and a BMI of 20 which was optimum, his physical feeling about a drug admistered beats a mass-chromatography.
stoneinfocus
27-10-2006, 01:26
other than that, I totally agree with Nicaine, and spirituality is a way to go especially buddhism, but religion becomes unneccessary at a point and useless it sublimes itno a logical and true way things are and remeber they´re all intrigued to some degree, even the buddh. monks.
omen8productions
27-10-2006, 01:46
wow, that is pretty crazy. hopefully SWIY has sorted things out.
SWIM cannot sue anyone and he knows it. in the long run, he put the drugs into his system. there was no coercion involved and he was 18 or older.
for SWIM there is the question of ethics. what the doctor did made no sence according to the hippocratic oath or basic human instinct.
the situation between the doctor and patient concluded as SWIM was being rushed through AA's twelve steps by his sponsor somewhere in the deep south. namely steps 8 and 9:
8.) Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.) Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
SWIM called the doctor, (being pretty ashamed, he couldn't face a visit). he explained to her the lying he had done once he found himself abusing the perscribed meds. the acting to get larger doses and stronger analogs. she said, "thank you. i wish you all the best."
oddly enough, the doctor's last name was leary.
(the more SWIM writes about the situation, the more SWIM realizes SWIM was completely at fault. questions about the perscription epidemic and the doctor's responsability do linger though.)
stoneinfocus
27-10-2006, 02:20
You can, even if you weren´t forced to, if the medication and treatement is found to be irrational and plain-out wrong you can sue them... if youßre in the states some insurance money is lurking for you.
remeber they prescribed you potent and dangerous drugs that you put in your system and where it´s clearly stated that they ain´t to be used with addiction problems or in case of the z. for most severe cases of behavioural deficits and mental illnesses.
I couldn´t think of something worse to do to your brain-chemistry in any aspect, than admistering neuroleptics in long term or even "short term" like weeks,.. , not to speak of the physical harm neuroleptics cause´, like parkinsons syndrom ie dopamin-depletion and maybe persistent extrapyramidal syndrome, depression, sleeplessness , discomfort.
(-funny shit -these sides are all listesd for illegal drugs like amphetamines or cocaine, x-tasy, opiates, but with these (neuroleptics), they´re really most severe and you feel ,that there´s something very, very wrong with the brainchemstry and your physical wellbeing, too, while a speed-depression will make you feel just a bit empty and maybe the need to sleep a bit, in fact, it´s not even worse calling it a "depression", swim feels better when coming off speed than most of the time clean... )but neuros is a whole other story... this shit really -is- worse, it´s terror, it´s physically dangerous and this stuff is really causing stigmatizing behavioural and physical changes, everybody would realize, in fact, this stuff is all that bad illegal drugs are supposed to be, but are not!
Sue them! get money! Make them work at the next burger shop, doing something less harmful and maybe co-incedentially bringing some joy to the people!
those meds should be prescribed to <0,0001% of the population, I´d say only given at that percentage of the mentally ill population.
omen8productions
27-10-2006, 03:02
mmm...food for thought. and what a romantic way to make your millions...
AntiAimer
11-11-2006, 05:38
Sue someone for willingly being a ginny pig. G/j, welcome to the wonderful world of synthetic pharmaceutical drugs. There's so many BS diseases out there it's not even funny...ADD,ADHD,Depression...wow.
Here's there next slogan, "Do you go to bed at night and wake up in the morning?"
omen8productions
30-12-2006, 16:09
100% of people who beathe die. want more info?
omen8productions
30-12-2006, 16:14
i'm also a little sick of the argument that SWIM walked into the treatment willingly. he was diagnosed an addict, then prescribed benzos for over two years, and developed a seizure disorder when he tried to stop. it is years later, but there is still a seizure disorder that can only be linked (by several doctors) to benzo abuse. he took each step willingly, (even if it was from a more and more medicated point of view).
so....
addict comes in, clean. prescribed benzos. starts to abuse those...(doctor does nothing)...has seizure when....
whatever this is stupid.
SWIM, in the long run, is a little too nice to ruin someone's life because they were an addict.
Depression is NOT a BS disease AntiAimer. It is real and clearly you have no clue what it is like to be afflicted with it. There are many BS diagnoses out there, and the newer labels ADD and ADHD seem to be questionable labels, but depression is a devastatingly real thing. SWIM has lost a few friends to depression, and their suicides were all too real.
In the end, unless you are committed to an asylum, the medications you take are your choice. everyone who has access to the internet (every member of this board) can look up any drug on earth and decide if it is right for them. Choices people make about the medications you take are ultimately your responsibility.
BTW, klonopin is notorious for terrible, long-term withdrawal symptoms and the induction of seizures is a common part of the withdrawal. SWIM is not surprised that it induced a seizure disorder in SWIY. It is not the klonopin itself, but the consequent dependency which is the issue, and once someone uses it regularly, especially in higher doses (which is easy to do given the rapid tolerance most experience with daily use) it is dangerous and potentially deadly to stop. The solution is to take klonopin for life, or switch to dilantin (SWIM would rather stick with the klonopin) ...
SSRIs are another class of drugs whose physical withdrawal syndromes are conveniently glossed over by the drug companies. When paxil first came out, GPs who prescribed refused to believe that they had the potential for physical dependency, because the drug reps were telling them that (a paraphrase, btw). Now it is a known side effect and added to the list, but it is still virually unmentioned. How many people have been put on venflaxine and not told of the horrible physical dependency it brings. It is the most addictive of all, and is being hailed in advertisements as a better replacement for earlier SSRIs that may not work as effectively. What they really want are a bunch of people strung out on their expensive drugs so that they have a nice consistent client base until the patents run out. then they'll find a more addictive, uhh, I mean effective one to replace it. Not that SSRIs don't save lives, they do for some who are dangerously depressed. However, they are handed out like treats to trick-or-treaters on halloween, and they are too often the apple with the razorblade for those ignorant of the consequences. You gotta wonder why so many are mentally ill these days ....
JumpinJackFlash
25-02-2007, 19:54
Although I cannot speak of chemistry and psychology of great depth, I can speak of personal experience. A few years ago my girlfriend smoked too much weed and developed cannabis psychosis and subsiquently schitzophrenia. She was put on the meds straight away, she didn't abuse them but still takes them to this day. She has had none of the severe side effects that you list above, and she is indeed alot luckier in that respects.
The problem for me comes in the way that she is treated, in that her medication is determines by psychiatrists who know what they know from a book not from people. For example my girlfriend often dabbles in MDMA, which she told her psyche, thus ensued a damning report of her mental health where she takes "MD and A" on a weekly basis (not true), now it seems to me that if you cannot prenounce the correct name for a chemical then you are in no situation to judge its effect on the human mind.
Furthermore the psyches had known her for a few months, tops, how can they possibly know how her mind works other than precident? The human mind is complex, individual in everyway, and there is no precident there in. I find myself having to battle with "science" in order to help her, because the meds don't help, and she hasn't realised that it is her that must heal herself, not any drug or stranger...all I know is I will be there to help, and thats all I can do.
Drugs wreck lives, but it is the legal ones that wreck the most
Why are you using swim? Taking prescribed meds isn't illegal...