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Hey all, I need to lose weight quickly, nothing works anymore (dieting etc, even xendadrine pills etc).
I heard that something called 'speed dieting' will work wonders, Im just wondering how to go about it properly. I need to lose approx 10-15kgs. I'm 5'4 and 60kgs.
I took small amounts of speed in the past and I lost weight but hunger eventually came back and bit me in the bum and now im fat and ugly again.
I've only ever taken speed (sulphate) but not crystal meth.
Please give me some help here guys, I'm responsible, I'm not gonna kill myself or get addicted or anything, I just want to be thin again, goddamn it!
adultswim
05-09-2004, 16:26
im on speed right now and my friend is heavy wieghted and he is goign to to a speed diet and the main thing is to stay healty while doing it try taking vitamins the days you dont eat to help you stay healty
Kemikaru_Tenshu
05-09-2004, 18:21
An important thing to remember is that if you lose weight too fast you will end up with loose skin. Also, if you don't eat at all you will lose a lot of weight, but it will not be just fat. It will be fat, muscle, etc. Amphetamines will help you lose weight, but it is important to remember to eat small amounts of food every few hours even though you wont feel like it, to take vitamins and protein (in the form of cheap protein shakes is fine), and to take the amphetamines in SMALL amounts. The amount you need to help with weight loss is something like 10mg 3x a day. If you take this amount of methamphetamine HCl for a period of two weeks or more (as is common for weight loss) you WILL become addicted to it. You will have to deal with this.
Be careful.
~KT
Psilocybe S.
06-09-2004, 04:42
Okay, I have to add my experience in here.
I've done a speed diet. An impressive one might I add. I lost 10 inches in about 4 months.
Some important stuff to know: Shit(regular meth) is for losing weight. Crystal is for getting "high". Crystal Meth is not something you want to start out with, it is very addiciting, and I got addicted to it while on my "diet". Also, you get a lot more shit for 20$ than crystal. Around here its 20$ a gram for shit, and 40$ for crystal. But dont be mistaken, you wont get .5g for 20$. (you'll get .4 if ur lucky)
The way I did my diet was this:
We would buy a quarter oz, and break it into about 10 20's, and do about a 20 a day everyday after school.(yeah, the ones i sold were like 15$'s)This worked pretty well, but it takes a little time if you are going to be eating. See, I never ate. I would go like 4 days with out food. Of course this was after I started doing crystal and became addicted. While on shit, I would normally just eat a bowl of cereal in the morning.
But, I never got any "extra skin", and i have more muscle than i ever have.(but this is because worked out like a mothafuka after my "diet".)Yeah, I know I was probably on the brink of death for a few months, but hey, the diet worked.
But if you ever DO get into crystal, you can loose weight in 2 days if you have the cash. You buy a gram, and between 2-3 people, it'll keep you up forabout 32 hours if you space it out right. With out eating anything before you smoke, or while your on it, you can loose about 5 pounds every 2 days. But, I dont recomend this unless you just dont give a fuck whats going to happen, like me.
After about 2 weeks of doing crystal everyday I got in deep, and started selling it while I was on my "diet" so i could keep buying it. I would buy 150$ worth, and make my money back, and be able to smoke about half of it.(It also helps if you have a good connect like i did). I'd do this about every 2-3 days. After about 2 months of doing a Shit "Diet", I went to crystal, and quit doing shit. Dont ever mix thetwo. It will make you puke.(more than likly). The best way to do any type of meth is to snort it. The taste in your throat will most deffenetly keep you from eating.
Also, try not to smoke pot while on this "diet", it will just make you a lot more hungry than usual. I pretty much had to do a 20$ of shit a day to keep from craving pot, but eventually the craving was gone.
also something else to think about: Doing meth in any form will fuck you up. From 5 months use everyday, I got some side effects. Teeth move, your hands peal like bloody hell, you break out with acne, you cough up black shit all the time..etc. But it sounds like you only need to loose a little weight. But I have no clue how much 15kg is, so ::shrugs:: What im trying to say is, the shorter amount of time you take on your diet, the least side effects you get. This is why I never ate.
And dont think people arnt going to know if you drop a lot of weight, so start telling people you're starting to lift weights and run. It woked wonders for me. haha
The most important thing to remeber: It is almost impossible to do a meth diet with out getting addicted.
(Not all of this is facts, but it is ALL experience between 3 people.)
adultswim
06-09-2004, 05:43
if you were addicted how did you stop it the cravings? cause this is the main thing i am worried is how to stop the diet?
Psilocybe S.
06-09-2004, 06:07
Meth only stays in your system for 3 days. So after 3 days, you're fine. But, after a 5 month use, I decided i lost enough weight and decided to quit. Now the easiest way is to replace it with a nother drug. So, if you end up smoking meth everyday, just try to smoke half of what you usually smoke in a day, and then a few days later, replace it with bud. I had almost no cravings. although I relapsed more than 30 times since then.
P!MPJU!C3
06-09-2004, 08:36
A diet on drugs may makes things a lot easier but it is not what i would advise. How bout just lightin up a cigarette every time u feel hungry. Pretty much all of my ex- girlfriends didnt eat(god knows why). Instead of eating they just smoked a lot and that took their hunger away, atleast thats what they said. They did take vitamines but all in pill form. Their is one tricky side about this diet...u dont want 2 do hard drugs on a completely empty stomach, it may be fatal.
Thanx all for replying!
Psilocybe S: Hi, I'm not planning on doing Crystal unless i'm absolutely DESPERATE. Just a few questions about the diet:
A 1/4 oz is how many g? I haven't got my scales with me and i'm hopeless at maths LOL. When you say you'd break it into 20's what do you mean? Sorry i'm not too good w/the lingo, you'll have to spell it out.
10-15kg is quite a lot I need to lose...in pounds it's like 22 - 33lbs.
How come you did meth after school, rather than thru the day? Didn't you get hungry during the day?
How did you take it? I used to snort but got frightened after some side effects so started drinking it instead in a 1/4 glass of warm water every morning. Seemed to last longer and be a heap stronger?
Thanx so muchly
Kemikaru_Tenshu
07-09-2004, 17:16
<BLOCKQUOTE> Originally posted by Carbine on 07 September 2004
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A 1/4 oz is how many g?
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1/4 oz is 7g.
~KT
I used to drink a lot of coffee and walk fast for 2 hours on an empty stomach every morning. I also took "E" once a week. I ate normal during this period, and lost 15 kilos in 3 weeks!
it was supposed to say 13 weeks, not 3:)
Ok, but what is a 20?
god i feel like an eejit, sorry 4 all the qns.<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley9.gif">
Kemikaru_Tenshu
08-09-2004, 15:37
A 20 is a twenty dollar bag, whose size will differ depending on where you live. Here a twenty is a basically a quarter gram. From this statement inPS's post:
"We would buy a quarter oz, and break it into about 10 20's"
I'm guessing that a 20 in his part of the country is ~0.7g, but he'll have to tell you for sure.
~KT
Psilocybe S.
08-09-2004, 23:10
^^^okay, like everywhere, you should be getting hooked up with more product with the more money you spend. A 20 here is usually 1/4 gram, but when I was selling, it was mostly to friends who "smoked me out", so they got .7 insted of .3-4. Lets not forget that I was getting hooked up from a friends uncle when I bought it as well <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley1.gif">
Psilocybe S.
08-09-2004, 23:11
^^^this is of crystal of course. Of regular meth, a 20 is a gram.
perpel budz
15-09-2004, 18:40
FUCK the speed diet if you want the orriginal try the tested and true crack diet. have you ever seen a fat crackhead??? I recommend you start with about 1.5 grams on days when you don't eat and 2 on days you do. you will be a skinny fucker in no time
NikkiSixx
16-09-2004, 01:59
I created my own diet and lost 32 lbs in like 5 months, i call it the smoke and coke diet, if your gonna do crystal then do it for fun dont do it every day and depend on it, coke will do just as good, and yeah when you dont have the cash for blow just light up a cig.
Nikki: can u xplain it in detail plz? How much u took etc and when?
Gahaba22
18-09-2004, 01:07
I would not recommend taking speed for dieting however here is what i would do if I were to proceed:
I would swallow the speed in either a little ball of kleenex or drink it with juice. i would do this before work/school and then again before lunch. I would not take any after lunch because you are not going to be able to sleep- and sleeping and taking care of yourself are important as well. The key is to eat healthily and to take care of yourself and to limit the harm to just the speed and not lack of sleep and poor diet. I wouldn't stay on said diet for longer than 1 month
geeb
NikkiSixx
18-09-2004, 20:07
basically i just quit eating altogether trying to save money for more blow, i would snort a bag just whenever i could, and cigarette smoking helps suppress the appetite when you dont have any powder.
Ok so taking a bit from every1's suggestions:
I got my hands on:
<UL>
<LI>2.5g yesterday (it's all that i could get for the time being due to the drought)</LI>
<LI>A pack of smokes</LI>
<LI>A jar of Hydroxycut</LI>
<LI>Vitamins</LI>[/list]
(couldn't get any coke just now)
Now what should I do?? LOL
Insane Asian
20-09-2004, 04:53
DO NOT USE DRUGS FOR A DIET. its not worth it u dont know wat ur getting into and shame on all of u for encouraging this. it is possible for him to die using the speed diet trust me waking up every morning feeling like shit because of lack of sleep, maybe addiction, and more serious problems down the line. is this all worth looking skinny? consider what you are getting into before you do it drugs shouldnt be used for a reson as simple as a diet.
tumbleweed
20-09-2004, 07:27
When you use speed to lose wight, you still have to eat,throw a chicken in the crockpotand usethis for a snack,cheep popsicleyou knowthe cheep koolade kind are a good snack also. Just stay away from high carb foods like bead,cake,rice,noodles,an beans. Drink fluids, jucies are good. Do your speed eat rite,and try to ride a bike.a little at first,and a little further eachday it worked for me
Tumbleweed<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley16.gif">
Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent, loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life. There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.
NikkiSixx
20-09-2004, 21:29
carbine, dont let vanity destroy your life. anyone who thinks its better to die than be fat needs to see a psychologist because you have worse problems than being fat. if you only want to be thin so people will "like" you more then your wrong, people may be nicer because you look better but they still wont give a rats ass about you. know who your real friends are, and think about them before you commit because if you do in fact get hooked on speed, which is probably alot easier than you think, then you might lose them. isdestroying your body,losing lots of money, and losing your real friendsall worth it for a few compliments from strangers?
Gahaba22
21-09-2004, 00:33
While I would never offically condone the use of speed to lose weight, I am not so naive as to think people aren't going to try it anyway! Given that and the fact that Dr's can and do prescribe stimulants for weight loss, I am prviding the following suggestions.
See the above post by gahaba22. I do not condone snorting speed or smoking it because these routes have a much higher incidence of addiction. You should not try and fool yourself into thinking you are dieting, if all you are really doing is getting high!
geeb
<blockquote> Shit(regular meth) is for losing weight. Crystal is for getting "high". <hr></blockquote><hr>[/i]<hr>
not true, you can get just as high on street grade speed.
<blockquote> I worked out like a mothafuka after my "diet".<hr></blockquote><hr>
Beware, do not exercise whilst on amphetamines, your blood pressure and heart rate are high enough, you could overdo it and end up having a heart attack or stroke.
Just remember, drugs, diets and addiction are like taking a bank loan - you have to pay it back with interest.
When you stop using you will have to catch up on all the sleep and food you missed. You will sleep continuously only getting up to eat and you know that sleeping and eating without activity will make you put on pure fat.
Not to mention you will be very depressed and even suicidal, you could also end up suffering schizophrenia-like psychosis.
You can also lose your hair and teeth which unfortunately will not return like your weight will.
It is better to use speed to get high or even to focus for study, etc. but for weight loss it is only short term or effective while you are using. Just like all diets you will put on more than what you started with when you finish.
To lose weight effectively work out a weight loss plan by eating healthy and exercising regularly, you have to change your current habits, there is no quick fix that will give permanent results.
Unfortunately a weight loss plan is something you have to stick to for life especially if you have a slow metabolism. Nature gave us slow metabolisms so that we can survive long periods without food but with modern conveniences we now eat way too much and exercise too litte.
the frog prints...
GlassPrincess
24-10-2004, 02:19
like you said you tried it before and the weight came back.. its just like a "fad" diet persay. yeah its great while your on it and yeah youve lost a few pounds but unless you want to constantly be tweaked just to lose those few extra pounds, its not worth it. its expensive, addictive, and kind of a waste if dieting is the only thing your really using it for.
just eat right and excersize, spend your money on healthy food and shit and leave the meth for fun recreational use.
i've known a guy who lost like 18 lbs in like 2 weeks.. and he's kept it off... Lucky guy.. I have always thought about taking meth to lose weight.. here Vancouver, BC meth is cheaper to buy and last longer than coke.. somebody told me that meth is a jittery feeling? and coke is well expensive... i have like 20 lbs to lose at least :( I know, I know excersise and more but it's hard to do than... when I was skinnier.. i had more respect.. now ppl don't look at me the same way.. it's like ewww.. you let yourself go.. don't we live in such a crazy world???
Any nice thoughts? PM me :)
Micklemouse
09-11-2004, 13:27
BUMP Jaspurr and the 'Princess to the top and close the topic please!!! The only way to effectively lose and keep off weight is to eat healthily and exercise. Look at what you eat and why you eat it, do some homework on what it does to the body nutritionally, find healthy alternatives to the junk you may like, walk instead of using the car, whatever, but speed IS NOT a good solution.
Ask yourself this - would you rather be plump and sane, if a bit dissatisfied, or an irritable, depressed, paranoid, potentially psychotic skeleton with bad teeth and an increased risk of osteoporosis? Remember also that the drugs used by the medical profession to deal with the nastier psychological effects of amphetamine use will invariably stimulate your appetite, slow down your metabolism, and make you PUT WEIGHT ON!!!
I can't believe people have actually been encouraging
someone to speed diet. It can work, but in my experience the risks greatly outweigh the benefits, making it a bad risk. Talk to your doctor, see a dietician, but keep speed for fun, and be very, very careful!!!
Thanks for all your replies guys.
I'm still debating what to do.
Seriously tho, most of you seem concerned about the health thing...honestly to tell you the truth, i'd rather f**k with my physical health than be constantly unhappy in my mind because i feel fat. That's all i can say, sorry.
But thanks for your concern...
I figured i'm currently taking like, 2-4 points of amp a day to study and concentrate, so what do i need to do from here? I didn't realise i was taking that amount, thought it was a bit less LOL.
Micklemouse
10-11-2004, 12:47
Carbine, it's not just a physical health issue. It's a mental health issue as well, and the two are inextricably linked. If you're taking speed because you're unhappy, then the chances are you'll still be unhappy after you've been taking speed for a while, if not heading for a major depression(if you're lucky...).
In the medium to long term, amphetamine addiction is something that creeps up on you - suddenly you realise that you feel like shit without a bit of speed in your system, and even with it it gets harder to concentrate and retain information(speed depletes calcium and B vitamins, both essential for mental and physical well being).
Too many good people have fucked up by trying to address deep rooted problems like body image with stimulants alone - it's like putting an elastoplast on a gun wound, IT DOESN'T WORK!. Speak to a counsellor, a friend, look at ways of boosting your confidence(other than speed!), but turning your brain to cobwebs and your body to a shell isn't worth it.
Btw, how old are you? I'll try not to sound too patronising(apologies if I do!),but if you're still in your teens/early twenties, then ther's still a chance that the excess weight will go on it's own, with a bit of dietary awareness, and without speed. Just a thought...
Best of luck, but please do look at other options before you end up with an expensive habit with potentially more downsides than up.
joevette
04-12-2004, 23:15
Using rec drugs for weightloss is crazy. That's why there is a whole array of diet drugs made for just that reason, DIETING. When I need to lose weight (fat) I go on DNP, an appetite suppresant like sibutramine, and a few other things. I'll lose 2lbs of fat a day, without losing any muscle!
Go to a bodybuilding board and research:
DNP
clenbuterol
T3
ECA
ECY
None of these are addictive, in fact you will be very glad to get off DNP because it makes you sweat.
Micklemouse: I already suffer severe depression. Been on antidepressants for 4 years.
I'm 23 btw.
Micklemouse
06-12-2004, 09:42
Carbine, I'm sorry to hear that, but all the more
reason to leave stimulants alone. Which antidepressant
do you take? Remember that some antidepressants can
stimulate appetite in some people.
Also, if I'd been taking an antidepressant for 4 years
and was still severely depressed I'd be asking myself
what exactly this medicine was doing for me.
Antidepressants on their own can be helpful for a
while, but they don't address any of the underlying
issues that actually lead to depression. Speak to your
doctor about some counselling or cbt(cognitive
behaviour therapy) - find out what's available, and
give it a go.
Swim took stimulants for a long time while depressed,
and they really don't help!
OneDiaDem
06-12-2004, 11:58
This is wrong on so many levels. Every person I know who used any type of speed to lose weight, gained it all back, and then some when they stopped using.
Try walking, and not eating so much. If you cut your food intake in half, and excersize, your gonna lose weight. Or, try the Atkins diet. Drink lots of water to flush your system.
This will work, yes, but be prepared to gain it back with more. If I ever needed to lose weight, this would not be the route I would chose. I have seen to many people worse off.</font>
OneDiaDem
06-12-2004, 11:59
If you are set on this course, listen to the wise words of Kemikaru_Tenshu in this thread.</font>
a lot I need to lose...in pounds it's like 22 - 33lbs.
you should just run ~5-7 miles per day and lift weights twice a week. You'll lose 20lbs of fat and put on some good musclein a month or two and not have to worry about getting addicted.
Dj_chill
12-12-2004, 17:54
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Hey there, I know just how u feel, I was pretty fat for a good three/ four years and it makes you so miserable!The only thing I wud say to you is to be careful how you diet, fair enough I went from size 18 to an 8 in less than 6 months BUT I have to constantly explain how i lost so much to people at work etc and I have been taking base for about a year and a half now cos you just put all the weight back on(making you even more miserable)if you stop taking it, and now I am so paranoid about everything! I guess you have to find a way that works for you....ps. if u have a cure for paranoia let me know http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif
i am a former anorexic/bulimic so when i first tried meth it was like the miracle drug for me. i think thats why im still hooked to this day. I dont think i would use it as much if it we'rnt for dieting purposes.I can lose as much as 3 pounds in a day from speed. most of this is water though. But as for anyone who uses speed knows, you dont eat dont sleep, dont really care, untill you come down. thats when you start to pig OUT! and sure enough you'll gain the weight you lost right back. As with me atleast/ I eat untill I get more meth. But at one point I was on a meth binge that lasted 14 days. I dropped a ton of weight!!!!! like 20 pounds./some being water/ and yes i felt better looked better, untill I was broke had no more meth and gained it all back, and then some. my advice is , if you want a drug that will help you to lose weight try coke, cause when I atleast come down offa coke I dont pig out..and the cravings are'nt sh!t compaired to meth.iv done so much coke and i never go threw withdrawls from it. but thats me..
Hi,
A sedentary lifestyle makes most food turn to fat. I used to joke that I had my summer weight, (when I played golf and when I was younger and didn't have osteo, tennis) and my winter weight which was 15lbs heavier.
Well now it's 25 lbs heavier but I started with a prescription for Tenuate about 5 months ago and lost about 15 of the 25. I can't do too much because of the osteo but both long lasting oxy and rescue oxy help alot and at least let me play golf in a powercart (it's not the walking it's pulling a cart) that I can't do and after 15 holes nothing I take gets rid of the pain.
Anyway, even though I haven't lost more weight the Tenuate (1 75mg 3 times a day) ward off some of the drowsiness from the oxys
I know they have caffiene pills but I was wondering if there bad for you and how much you'd have to take to have the same effect (drowsiness wise as the Tenuate). I'm sure its alot cheaper but does it also curb your appetite?
In a way I'm luckey that I'm very tall the 223lbs doesen't look too bad on me but my wife's a health nut and it pisses her off that I don't eat much during the day but have a huge piece of apple pie and icecream an hr before going to bed. This probably goes straight to fat.
I did coke for a while (every day) for a couple of months about 15yrs ago which really curbed my appetite but aside from being expensive believe it or not I got bored with it. Never did crack though. It scared me big time seeing what it did to people.
One of these months my DR.'s going to say thats it for the Tenuate it's summer time go play golf so I'm going to need something for the drowzies and if I ask him for Ritalin he might go ballistic. I'm on a really helpful program for the pain so I want to stay under the radar because he keeps telling me that if I hadn't been his patient for 20 yrs and I always have meds left over when I go for refills of the oxys theres no way he'd continue which would put me in a world of real hurt.
Y
Whadayathink?
just a question on this topic, how does the speed make u lose the weight. I mean is it only helping u lose weight cause you dont eat, or does the speed high also cause u to burn more enegry as your heart pumps faster ect. is it increasing ur metabolism?
9-thc4me
30-12-2004, 06:23
The Amphetamines are CNS stimulants that decrease apetite, increase plasma free fatty acid levels, increase body temperature, increase heart reate/blood pressure, and have sympathetic effects on the cardiovascular and respiratory functions.
Amphetamines have had a long history of use in weight loss and athletics most of which we have found out being of less help that previously thought. In the early 1900s to the 60s many body builders and fitness models used amphetamines to lose weight or "cut up". For this they are fairly helpful if usedright and short term. Overall compared to current research on CNS stimulants and other drugs used today in body building and the fitness world the amphetamines are crude and fairly outdated.
Amphetamine induced weight loss is basically achieved by:
1. Extreme apetite suppression
2. Stimulation(increased heart rate)
3. Raised body temperature.
Most people who achieve wieghtloss via amphetamines do in an extremely un-healthy matter.... you say you don't care.... well listen up and you will.
Amphetamine induced weight loss is basically stimulated starvation, thus your body realizing that its food supply is cut goes into preservation mode thus burning less calories a day and diminishing muscle 'lean' tissue. If you did achieve a weight loss of 15 kgs by amphetamines it would result in at least a few kgs of muscle loss. Why does this matter? Well muscle keeps fat in check, muscle is metabolic tissue. By the fact that you have muscle your body has to burn more calories a day just to sustain that muscle. Thus a person with the same stats as another person who has just a few kgs of more muscle on average could eat about 500 more calories a day and still stay the same weight and body fat percent. Bottom line, even if you dont want to be muscular... you want muscle, especially being a female and havingon average 20% less muslce than males.If you do acheive your goal with amphetamines, you still cant take amphetamines forever. You will eventually have to stop... if you don't then the consequences could.... no will be extremely dire. So when you do come off of them to maintain that weight you would have to eat much less calories a day than you would today just to maintain your weight, and if your having trouble with weight now, then that is going to be damn near impossible.
All this is in addition to the other side effects of amphetamines.
Do you really want to lose weight?.... or rather do you want to lose weight and never have to deal with it again? Amphetamines can help only short term and for a few kgs. So you still want to lose weight and have that image that is rightfully yours? Well, you can. It's gonna take a bit of work and a few lifestyle changes, but trust me you can learn to love every minute of it.
First let me say something about other over the counter diet pills.... they all suck, they're nothing but caffeine and they will work for a very very very very small minority of people. I'm not gonna lie to you, amphetamines are much more powerful than over the counter shit, and they can help you lose weight, but notice how their illegal. In fact if you look in the steroid world all the products suck that aren't illegal. If the FDA or DEA saw anything on wall-mart shelves that could do amazing things, they would rush to take it off the shelves faster than you could imagine. It happened with ephedrine. What? You thought ephedrine was banned because it was dangerous. Well if you think ephedrine is dangerous then you have no idea what amphetamines can do. The entire supplement industry is a multi-million dollar scam and your making them rich. The human body is a work of wonder and you can learn to naturally manipulate your metabolism and lose weight without having over work yourself.
Now on to a crash coarse in weight loss:
There is one fundamental rule in all of fitness, screw all the no fats or no carbs crap. There is but one rule:
calories consumedversus calories burned.
Burn more than you consume and you will lose weight.
Low carb diets are another thing I would like to dismiss here. All they do is make you eat proteins and fats which keep you full. If you look at total calories, low carb diets take in much less, that is why they work. Also no carbs means no insulin, and more protein means more thermogenesis(increased internal body temperature increases fat burning).
Now on to metabolism. Scientifically defines this is the combined reaction of anabolism(buildingprotein)and catabolism(tearing proteins down). Each person has their own BMR, basal metabolic rate. This is the number of calories a person's bodyburns each day withoutany activity.
(http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/bmr-formula.php (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/bmr-formula.php)is a link to help you figure out your bmr)
My personal bmr is about 2600, if I eat less than 2600 calories a day my body goes into preservation mode which it tries to conserve energy. Never eat less calories than your Bmr. My total calories burned in a day is 3000. I eat 3500 calories a day, for the reason that I am a body builder (well i lift weights), and I am trying to put on muscle. The reason my body burns 2600 calories a day without any activity is because I have quite a bit more muscle than the average dude. (Average male bmr is 1800). This is about weight loss and not weight (muscle) gain soI will not get into that. If i wanted to lose weight what I would do and recommend everyone do is first determine your body fat percent. Once you have this figured out, find out how much fat you have on your body. My body fat percent is 7(average male is 9-13, and average female is 13-16) andI weigh 165 pounds.
Therefore my total fat weight is 11.55 pounds. Our bodies have to have 3-5% fat for males and 5-7% fat for females to survive. Most body builders come contest time cut down to about 3-5%, so they have literally no extra fat on them.
Once you figure out your fat weight and %, change your calorie intake to a couple hundred above your bmr. Lets take me for example, if my bmr is 2600 I would probably eat 2800 calories a day. Since I burn about 3000 calories a day I would burn an extra of 1400 calories per week without any excersice, there are 3500 caloreis in a pound of fat. So I'm burning about half a pound a week with no excersize.
Exercise is essential for losing weight, so is eating less. Exercise does two things it burns calories and raises metabolism by as much as 2000%!! That's right by as much as 2000%!! Exercise everday is not only not needed but it is over training, even olympic athletes only go at it 5-6 times a week, and olympic athletes are way over the goals of common weight loss, so 3 times a week is plenty. Aerobic exercise is good but anaerobic is arguably even better. Anaerobic buildes mucsle but while you are eating less calories than you burn you will not gain much muscle. So no need to worry about being overly muscular. Keep your body guessing and try to keep work outs between 30-45 minutes.
Now a word on nutrition. All food groups are essential, but protein is the athletes best friend, even if you don't want to gain muscle. When digested it takes 25 calories to burn 100 grams of protein rather than 5 calories for 100 grams of carbs.Also protein raises body temp. and helps you lose even more weight.An ideal ratio is 20% fats, 30% protein, and 50% carbs. And no carbs doesnt mean sugar, use common sense, eat whole grain, natural foods. But this doesnt mean go fruit crazy or anything. Keep it balanced. I could go on and on and on about nutrition and fitness, but i think you go the jist of it, here are a few more tips and links to help you out. I originally wanted to simply check my email, but now ive written a 3 page post. I hope you benefit in some way from what i have said.
Here are a few more tips:
Water, drink it....
Split up your meals into 5-6 smaller meals, this raises metabolism
Get all your vitamins
Eat complex carbs, not refined sugars
Eat with each meal some sort of carb and protein, helps control insulin (insulin is wat stores stuff in your body and what makes you fat).
Keep healthy, and enjoy life.
Rememer the journey is never as good as the inn. Lose weight, but enjoy doing it, dont fret or get depressed over it. As long as you startsincerely you are taking control, taking drugs means your just losing that control. Good luck with you friend, may you find in life what you are looking for.
btw www.elitefitness.com (http://www.elitefitness.com) is a great site, Tom Venuto has a book out called burn the fat, feed the muscle, i don't mean to write an ad for this guy, but it is a great book if you can invest the money.
Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it
is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was
thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent,
loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i
wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life.
There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself
sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.
Carbine, honey, (i'm not joking about this reply or being mean/rude)
but this is one of the saddest things that i have seen quoted in a long
while. honestly if your life is worth anything to you or if you care
for the ones around you that love you then you will get your ass of the
couch and diet and ecsercise. if you choose the meth route then you may
get to kiss the weight goodbye but your friends and family too. your
personality will change your goals, your focus in life, most everything
WILL change if you get addicted! please seek out professional help and
dont put your life on the line to be thin. praying for the best for you
P.S. and don't reply with "i'm fat nobody likes me boohoo you dont know
how it feels" ive been a big guy my whole life and im gay and let me
tell you in noooo community is weight more important than in the gay
community but you will find good and quite sexy people out there that
will love you! you might just be looking in the wrong places
How much weight (rough guess)will u lose over 2 weeks if u use 0.5 grams a day?. will u lose more by using 1 gram a day for a whole week? or spread it to 0.5 over 2 weeks? or shouls u do some thing like, 3 days on. a day off ...ect? just wondering in your experiance which way causes most dramatic weight loss, and has anyone lost the weight and kept it off? or do u all put it straight back on again when u stop?
lolomgwtfbbq
22-01-2005, 05:09
If you do approximately 40mg [insuffalated] of Adderall per day, would that help you lose any weight?
& what about working out when spun?
variation
29-01-2005, 11:13
well, I agree with you wanting to loose fat, as I'm sure most people on this forum could. It is only a logical thing to dislike excess adipose tissue. we actually need very little, and any excess is just wasted excess weight which has no important function in our society... if you want to have a greater weight, then of course muscle is a more practicle one, because muscle has function.
I think methamphetamine is a very good dieting drug, the only problem that I see in your case, is if you are using it very frequently, you are going to deplete your adrenaline/noradrenaline and even dopamine stores... (more importantly the adrenaline/noradrenaline are what cause the thermogenic qualities you seek... in order to do this effectively, you could use l-tyrosine, or acetyl-l-tyrosine(greater bioavailability) because tyrosine is the amino acid precursor to /nor/adrenaline neurotransmitters, as well as dopamine. you must take this on an empty stomach, preferebly a couple hours since meals on either side, because proteins in foods, contain amino acids which will compete for uptake.
but on an ever more important level, you must choose wise foods, and the meth should help keep cravings out of play... some people are different, but what works well for me is a moderate(med-low gi re: glycemic index) carbohydrate/high protein/low fat(fat sources based apon omega-3/poly/mono fats) salmon oil caps are good source of DHA and EPA omega-3 fatty acids, which are important.
exercise every morning on an empty stomach, (smoke some meth beforehand, you'll have plenty of energy for it)
when you exercise on an empty stomach, your insulin levels are low (higher insulin levels inhibit lypolysis)
and, you have had no food eaten in several hours (which means no incoming calorie source, hmm... where else are calories stored... well yep fat, glycogen(complex network of glucose molecules) and muscle... but we hope to avoid taking calories from there.. this can be eliminated by working at a lower intensity in your exercise (lower intensities tend to oxidize fat preferentially, a safe limit to exercise is 60 mins (suggest exercycle, treadmill)
OR another way works better... using anabolic androgenic steroids (not suggest in most cases for females) using certain ones for a period of say 8 weeks (for the dieting phase) can be fairly safe and in most cases causes an increase in protein synthesis and even decline in catabolic hormones.
if you choose that method, then you can work at a higher intensity and reduce muscle wasting, while burning greater amounts of fat and increasing your metabolic rate signigicantly for hours after.
and remember muscle tissue is far more metabolicly active than fat tissue due to far greater mitochondria count (muscle actually has to do stuff) so by having more
muscle tissue, your metabolism is higher)
*lifting weights, using compound exercises is a good idea
5-htp at 100-200mg before bed is probably not a bad idea either... as it will keep serotonin levels higher (I believe meth in higher end dosages starts to effect serotonin to some degree) higher serotonin levels also cause decrease in appetite, specifically carbohydrate cravings.. reason for pre-bed dosing is that some 5-htp can be used to produce melatonin, which may induce a state of drowsiness.
some of my personal food choices include:
sweet potato's
black beans
egg whites
whey protein concentrate
whole oats
soy protein concentrate
random dark green vegetables
..just so you get a jist of what are some good food choices...
I sort of do this type of thing, but I am not using meth currently, but 4-methyl-aminorex, but if I did not have this I would likely use meth.
now just to let you see some of my personal workings, I by no means try to portrait this as something that should be impressing, but it is reasonable to me, I mean I still aim to improve some things, but everyones opinions on what is good differs.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/uploads/variation/2005-01-29_121123_ERIC-YEAH.JPG
still have about 3 months allowed to reach goals, so far this is where I am at, and I think that I am more than on track and should not experience problems, if any are encountered I will problem solve it.
I hope this gives you some outlook on further things you may wish to invest time researching in order for you to be successful in your plan.
tweakerfrommars
31-01-2005, 06:48
"I'm not gonna kill myself or get addicted or anything,"
In all probability, if you go on a speed diet you will get addicted. In fact, it will probably happen very quickly, as you'll be doing as much as new recreational user can take months to work up to. And also, it could kill you. Malnutrition happens fast, and you won't realize how bad of shape you're in until you're already sick. And that's inthe average person. What if you're body doesn't metabolize the drug the way it should (many don't). And if you're female, be warned...women tend to physically handle the drug much worse than men.
llllllllllllll
03-02-2005, 18:17
you will get addicted.
im a 19 year old male. in honesty. ive been anorexic for the past 4 years with a high weight of 215 and a low of 98. i was strait edge at the time also. ive gained back after recovery and shit and was at 145 stable weight (im 5'9)
ive been using for about 3 months but heavily the past month. im now at 132-135 and for the first time since i can rember im not worrying about eating. i can eat freely knowing that itll be burnt up and all gone thanks to "the speed diet" (psht)
i dont do crank to loose weight i do it for fun. and for me its fun to loose weight. its a win win situation.
iice and cocaine is the same as anorexia its a lifestyle not a diet. you dont plan to become anorexic. it just grabs you and fucks your life up. noone plans to be a speed junkie either
Dj_chill
04-02-2005, 04:21
At the end of the day,its up to you if you wanna do it, you have to choose to do it the right way though...healthy eating, exercise, etc (All the stuff you need patience for!! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif )
But as for the speed weight loss thing,IMO it only works for so long, Can you see yourself snorting up a fat line when you're 70 on the way to the post Office to collect the old pension, lol!!
Work out whats right for you and do it, everyone is different!
P.S Cheers for reading my stoned ramblings! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif </font></font></font></font>
variation
05-02-2005, 13:05
I understand, a lot of people have concerns and it is probably safer to
worry on the side of saftey... obviously some scenarios have greater
potential to pose problems for certain individuals and maybe managable
for another type of person, I think those in the pursiut of knowledge
with a very inquisitive mind can experiment with altering biological
functions to their benefit with a reasonable degree of saftey, some
can't judge, Im not even saying I'm perfect, as I have noticed periods
of drug use which has posed problems to my every day way of life, I
must then analyze this problem and find a method to deal with it so
that my life can function in a positive mannor, as long as one is able
to do this then it appears thay may be able to handle it.. so far I've
been able to keep everything in reason as far as my mind state
percieves, and it's been a very interesting learning experience, these
are all risks anyone is accepting when using different chemicals,
whether they are aware of it or not, ability to cope with unexpected
reactions dictates whether you will succeed or not.. and by no means
should one loose sight of this... sorry for elaborating to such an
extent...
to sum it up, take my posts as information and not as commandments, use
and apply information when it becomes an object of curious
investigation, but be sure to go about it in a careful, and precise
fashion...
Hey everyone,
Carbine:
Psilocybe S:
conjo:
variation:
I am also interested in speed dieting using just regular meth. ONLY (NOT Crystal or Adderall). I have a few questions that hopefully you can answer. I want to use speed to diet for 3 months(approx.) and this will be my first time. I'm only going to use very small amounts. I will take vitamins daily and lift weights to not lose muscle.
To begin the diet,
How many grams of speed should I buy?
How much money should I expect to pay?
How big of a dose (in grams) should I start with?
I do NOT want to snort or smoke anything!
How should I take it orally, i.e. with juice,
in capsules, in pill form?
Is it ok to take only in the morning or should I also take some around lunch time on an empty stomach?
When I stop dieting, should I taper down the dose gradually instead of totally stopping?
I want to lose 40lbs. for now, but thats not important cuz other people wanting to 'diet' too can use the info. for themselves. That's about all for now. It sucks because I live near Downtown Seattle and I don't have a hookup for any drugs. :( All my friends only smoke pot so they don't know anything about speed. Its gonna be hard to find someone semi-trustworthy and also sells good quality meth. I wish I wasn't shy, I could just go up to people at the clubs and ask, but I just don't have the guts to do it.
Anyway I really want to do this and I will do this.
So please,
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST IF,
You're just going to give me a LECTURE about not doing it.
IF I WANTED ADVICE ABOUT SAYING NO TO DRUGS I WOULD NOT BE ON THIS DRUG FORUM.
So spare me. AND if you want to lecture me, then WHAT are YOU doing on a DRUG FORUM??? Are you trying to be a vigilante for all of us?
I KNOW THAT DRUGS ARE BAD and....I DON'T CARE. Sugar and fastfoods are also bad for you but everyone still eats them.
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU IN ADVANCE that have non-judgemental answers to my questions and to those of you who really know your stuff. You really help a lot of people with all the knowledge you post so keep it up.
variation
06-02-2005, 11:21
you may want to start around 20mg and move up or down depending on how
you feel, this is oral dosing.. you may be able to get away with
afternoon dosing, adjust as nescaserry, 5-htp is good before sleep..
3 months is a rather long timem you will definately need l-tyrosine,
for enhanced restoration of adrenaline/noradrenaline/dopamine.. or else
the effects will not continue to perform as well, (because you will be
depleted of the acting neurotransmitters) take l-tyrosine on an empty
stomach(due to amino acid transporter chain competition), adjust dosage
so that you continue to receive the correct effects, and if you feel
you need a day off, then go that day without and just try to keep your
diet good, and throw in some exercise
but even I admit at high doses day after day I can start to see
symptoms of an amphetamine psychosis taking place... hearing
things... seeing things out of the corner of my eye that aren't
there... you really need to be careful of things like this, and either
reduce, stop or adjust supplements...
plenty of vitamin c (also helps with cortisol supression), and ala
should be used for brain free radical protection, as this is the major
concern of possible damage from meth (considering you don't have heart
conditions/blood pressure problems) and if you do cardio-respitory
conditioning, then your heart should be healthy and able,
supplementation of taurine and co-enzyme-q10 are not bad ideas at all.
if methamphetamine is not an option to be fine,
amphetamine/ephedrine/mdma(supplementation gets trickier with this one)
are suitable replacements.. over all if your don't make sure you
are taking in regular doses of nutrients, protein, lower gi
carbohydrates, and a small amount of healthy fats, as well as not
performing exercise, then chances are you will become unhealthier and
maybe loose weight, but lots of muscle tissue too, and skin will not
look good.. and you will probably be fatigued... also remember to
consume plenty of water and electrolytes
(potassium/sodium/magnesium/calcium) as most stimulants are diuretics,
and this can cause a plethora of problem.
llllllllllllll
08-02-2005, 10:35
how do yall just "choose" what to take and what nots. i never know what im getting until the guy tells me and sales me!
small town i guess
William_Again
08-02-2005, 21:29
I am just responding to something someone said on the first page of
this post, they said that on this speed diest you can loose 5 pounds in
two days (2.5 pounds a day)...that is damn near impossible, even with
meth (I am not denying that one couldnt do it, its just very unlikely).
For example the human body burns what 2000 calories a day (give or take
depending how active you are) now I assume since this person wants to
loose weight that they less active and probably only burn about 1500
calories a day now on meth you wont eat much and you will be more
active, but you'll have to do more than your usual routine to burn 2.5
pounds a day. Doing a high intensity workout involving all the major
muscle groups (i.e. jogging, jumping jacks) you burn approx. 15
calories a minute now a pound of fat is approx 3000 calories...you do
the math and figure out that in order to burn 7500 calories in a day
you gotta be pretty damn active!
Here's for you lazy people (I am one of you!) : take the 7500 and
subtract the normal amount of calories your body would burn (1500)
which leaves you 6000, that means you have to burn an additional 6000
calories in that day, at 15 calories a minute that comes to
roughly....6 hours and 40 minutes of additional high intesnity workout!
SWIM did this to loose weight, he took ephidrine (too much, he has an
unheard of tolerance for it and should probably be dead) and he would
fast (not eat) all day and run 7 miles a day and only eat 1 meal of
whatever he liked. It worked...
llllllllllllll
09-02-2005, 10:15
well.
meth speeds up ypur heart right? and you metabolism
both of these mixed together should create summin in your body. i think that youd burn and extra 1000? maybe. but then again im dumb. but i knowq that normally i eat 500 - 700 calories a day and i loose like 2 lbs a week but most time i dont i just maintain or fluctuate (ive been eating disorderd for 4 years so i have no metab) and just doing 3 lines and 1 bowl a day i lost 5lbs in a week while eating around 700-1000! (like i said earlier. for the first time in 4 years i dont care about eating.)
William_Again
15-02-2005, 00:04
if people are serious about this, my adivce is exercise and take
vitamins and instead of meth use ephedrine or adderall or ritalin (I
hate ritalin crashes personally...I just wanna fucking hang myself when
in the midst of those)
Nadia Snow
19-02-2005, 21:07
VITAMIN C DECREASES THE ABSORPTION OF AMPHETAMINES:
examples: lemons, broccoli, fruit juices, almost all fruits & vegetables
BAKING SODA INCREASES THE ABSORPTION OF AMPHETAMINES so mix the sodium bicarbonate with water, let it dissolve, then drink up on an empty stomach, afterwards take the amphetamine or methamphetmine (snort or in pill form)
BAMBILINA
20-02-2005, 01:02
I HAVE BEEN TAKING AMPHETAMINE FOR A WHILE AND WONDERED IF THERE IS ANYTHING I CAN TAKE WITH THE SPEED OR BEFORE TAKING TO MAKE IT AS EFFECTIVE AS WHEN I FIRST STARTED TAKING IT AS I HAVE HAD TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT I TAKE.
WHEN FIRST TAKING IT YOU COULD EASILY GO ALL DAY AND EAT NOTHING. I JUST NEED TO LOOSE ANOTHER 11-14 LBS AND AM FINDING THIS REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO AS THE EFFECT WEARS OFF FASTER, AND THE FEELING OF HUNGER KEEPS RETURNING TOO QUICKLY!!
ANY SUGGESTIONS???
THANK YOU
William_Again
20-02-2005, 03:04
this is SWIM advice, and it is correct, look it up...take a few
tablespoons of baking soda and mix it with water and then drink it,
wait an hour or two and then snort or drink or swallow your speed,
baking soda not only slows down the decomp of amphetamines, but also
potentiates them as well. It may not get you back to the high you had a
while ago (abstaining is the only thing that'll do that) but before you
try this, READ UP ON IT AND DONT BE STUPID.
derangedfox
21-02-2005, 07:28
Hello. Newbie here with a few questions.
I recently decided to try meth to help lose weight, as I've done it infrequently in the past and I'm nearly at my wits end at the moment. My stomach tends to shrink quite fast, so my plan is to use for a few weeks and then continue on my own, as it's the initial weight loss I have such an issue with (working my ass off and eating like a mouse for one pound a week depresses me to hell.)
Anyway, basically I'm wondering how fast does your body build a tolerance? I'm an extreme researcher and I just feel like my body is a correctional facility when it comes to drugs - I seriously cannot get addicted to anything because I get sick of things within days.
I've only been on meth continually fortwo weeks and I can't believe how much the high has changed - I used to sniff a small line three times daily to sustain me, two points lasted me a week. Now I've gone through almost seven points in a week and no matter how much I take, I get a pathetic little high for about an hour and it's gone.
I have no desire to even do it anymore, it just irritates me. For anyone concerned about my health, I'm a paranoid freak - I carefully calculate myself times to sleep and times to eat, and I don't drink anything but orange juice.
Could this possibly be what's interefereing? I'm just a little confused and I'd appreciate if anyone could answer why this is happening - I expected a tolerance build, but this seems a little extreme. In the beginning it made me happy, wide awake, bouncy, loving, talking nonstop. Now about the only thing a high even does for me is supress my appetite - other then that I'm just myself with maybe a bit of a light head.
Also, does it have any sort of shelf life? When I first started it was quite random and I noticed by the end of a point, I wasn't feeling a thing whereas a new point would send me flying again.
Thanks for any information you can give me, feel free to PM me.Edited by: derangedfox
derangedfox
21-02-2005, 07:33
As a note - what is the difference between crystal meth and meth? I've always been told we were doing crystal meth which comes in points of crystal like shards, but we crush it into powder to snort. After reading through these forums, I'm feeling like I've been a touch lied to http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
I pay $10 a point Canadian.Edited by: derangedfox
Hey Fox,
Aint tolerance a bitch.
About 15 years ago I bought an ounce of coke. I had only tried coke once or twice before so I started to do it every day and aside from the heightening of the experience while having sex, I actually got bored with it.
From that time on I would only get some if I connected with a willing and wild female.
Now I have chronic non cancer back pain. I've built up a tolerance for opiates that necessates 600mg of Oxycodone a day. It helps the pain but I never get high.
I also use 1 20mg of Ritalin 3 times a day to fight the drowsiness which also curbs my appettite. I've lost 15 lbs in the last 2 months so I'm pretty happy with that part.
Anyway, hope you find something that works for you.
Y
*BUMP*
Anyone else out there that can share their experiences?
Need any help I can get. And if you're from Seattle drop me a line some time.
Nadia Snow
13-03-2005, 02:20
As a note - what is the difference between crystal meth and meth? I've always been told we were doing crystal meth which comes in points of crystal like shards, but we crush it into powder to snort. After reading through these forums, I'm feeling like I've been a touch lied to http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
I pay $10 a point Canadian.
crystal meth and meth are both sland for METHAMPHETAMINE
btw "ice" is smokeable crystal methamphetamine, "speed" is an amphetamine-like substance and is usually in powder form. however, meth/crystal meth usually come in crystal "shards"
Nadia Snow
13-03-2005, 02:47
this is SWIM advice, and it is correct, look it up...take a few tablespoons of baking soda and mix it with water and then drink it, wait an hour or two and then snort or drink or swallow your speed, baking soda not only slows down the decomp of amphetamines, but also potentiates them as well. It may not get you back to the high you had a while ago (abstaining is the only thing that'll do that) but before you try this, READ UP ON IT AND DONT BE STUPID.
you are correcteveryone mustdo theirown research! I dont think you should wait 1 or 2 hours after ingesting ((baking soda/water mixture)) to take amphetamines. i may be wrong but it seems like a long time
tweakerfrommars
16-03-2005, 04:08
"I KNOW THAT DRUGS ARE BAD and....I DON'T CARE. Sugar and fastfoods are also bad for you but everyone still eats them."
No one is going to lecture you about how drugs are bad, butfor godsakes meth is a hell of a lot different than sugar and fast food. People "lecturing" in this topic (myself included) are more than likely givingadvice based on past personal experience and hoping others will take heed to that advice. Though I and everyone else knows that good advice is never heeded...one must always learn for themselves.
tweakerfrommars
16-03-2005, 04:15
""speed" is an amphetamine-like substance and is usually in powder form"
And what "amphetamine-like" substance is this? "Speed" can mean amphetamines as well as other substances. And meth can come in powder form (and at no point in time ever having been "crystal" or "shards") due to, as I understand it, differentiation in the final processes of synthesis; i.e., the final yield does not have to be recrystallized to be meth.
Bella:differences in theanorexic effects of "regular" powdered meth and ice are negligible, if there is any difference at all. And you can still takeice orally.
Rave_Pixie
17-03-2005, 01:17
Now I'm not trying to "lecture," but adderall is actuallyprescribed for weight loss and seems a hell of a lot safer and easier to get than meth... I find it works really well, but that's just me.
derangedfox
25-03-2005, 10:23
Haha, wow, old topic
Anyway, not a big deal :-) I'm happy to say I'm still an extremely light user and lost weight perhaps a touch to fast, but not extremely (24 pounds in two months). I use it less and less as I feel better and better now about having the weight off - I have more energy and drive and don't feel I need it.
I definately don't advocate this drug though - I actually have an intolerance of "addiction". My body just quits on me completely after it gets sick of the abuse and no matter how much I do or what I do, I just feel miserable and am forced to stop. Kind of a pain, but definately a huge help! My friend recently tried it for the first time and I was amazed - he's not really addicted, as he can only get it through me, but he wants it for every bar night and usually begs for it the next day.
Interestingly, my mom had the same type of ability. She's done any drug you can imagine, including crack for four months as well as being an occasional cocaine user (once or twice a year) for years now. She just quits when she gets sick of it. She hasn't done anything now for a few years I believe, but can this really be a hereditary thing? Or is it more of a personality trait? My sister is easily addicted but she's a definate follower, whereas me and my mom are leaders.
Anyway, I found this drug temporarily helpful, but I experianced a few pretty nasty and surprising side effects I wasn't impressed with - incrediably dry face skin, acne (I have never had a zit in my life, now I have like three huge ones I CAN'T get rid of), very foul smelling urine, oh yeah, and that particularly horrible night my nose went crazy and spent the next two entire DAYS running clear liquid nonstop, my upper tracts burning like crazy.
And people wonder why I'm not addicted! You try making a nose like niagra falls cooperate! And I just refuse to smoke it http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifYeah, hasn't happened since though!
derangedfox
25-03-2005, 10:28
As a note - I know now what I'm getting isn't very good quality. Combined with a quick intolerance build, I'm screwed within days. At the moment, I have an incrediably boring data entry job that really depressed me last year because I got so tired I was constantly making errors. So now I go to work, work a few hours until I feel totally wasted, do a little bump, hop along for about an hour or so and come out of work feeling good. I've doubled my production rate - I seriously think I may have an attention disorder, it explains so much, I've been so fidgety and restless and unable to learn much sitting down all my life.
Yeah, then I take the weekend off, or whatever days I don't feel tired, after a few days my tolerance returns to pretty much normal. I have no desire at all to do it in the evening or any other time, I enjoy my life enough to not need it, it's just a huge help in making my job a lot less stressful and exhausting.
SWIM once had to lose a lot of weight quickly after fucking up both ankles. He started with 6x20mg of ephedrine and a can of diet coke in the morning and ended up using ephedrine and ghb on alternating days.
He ate once every 2 or 3 days and went from 122.5 kg to a reasonbly lean 96kg in a little over a month Exercise (upper body) was maintained throughout most of this period and the weight he lost was approx 3/4 fat and 1/4 muscle. There was no loose skin and most of the muscle loss was from the thighs which could not be exercised due to the ankle injuries. Thighs went down from 29" to 25" whilst biceps only reduced by 1/2"
However I would not recomend so drastic an approach to anyone else who does not have the constitution of an ox like this guy.Edited by: sauvage
i once used speed for uni (waking up at 4am to get the train sucks) then went and trainied that night in a fairly physically active sport...and i thought i was gonna die my heart and pulse were insanly high and i was covered insweat....so i just want to know if it is really bad to use speed b4 exercise?
OK... Ive been using speed for some time now.... Here on the west coast there is an abundance of it... and it is very good. Methamphetamine ... crystal not crank, which isAmphetamine. It is also very cheap..... Using it as a dieting drug is opening yourself for a world of trouble. First of all its really addictive.. It is very long lasting... andItwill change who you are.. By this I meannot only will the sleep dep effect yu like a crazy acid trip... but it will actually change your whole personality. You will do things that you wouldn't normally do... and if your doing the stuff your probably hanging out with people you wouldn't normally hang with. Watch the movie "spun,"being a "tweaker" I feel that this movie is a pretty acurate depiction of the typical regular methjunkie on the west coast.. although the movie is a little hollywood. As far as loosing weight on the stuff, you most certainly will... though once you stop ... the weight will come back 2 times as fast as it went off... The meth speeds up your metabolism... and when its gone your body goes back to its normal processing level. This coupled with an insatiable hunger from not eating for soo long, will have you packing pounds on faster then you can say "pass the pipe."
go for jog instead
antigenesis
07-04-2005, 05:34
One thing to remember about the speed diet: there are a lot of people who'd rather go out with somebody fat. Sorry to break it to you guys, but with me and everyone I know, tweakers are only above crack addicts.
BIG BUMP!!
I'm also on a speed diet, for almost 1 week now. I takeabout 10 gram 2x a day. I think it works, i have no craving for food or what so ever, and my heart beats very fast.
I need somemore experiences on this!
I'm also on a speed diet, for almost 1 week now. I takeabout 10 gram 2x a day. I think it works, i have no craving for food or what so ever, and my heart beats very fast.
I hopefor you that you mistyped. IfIunderstand this right you're taking 20 gram/day. If that's true (wich I doubt very strong), I would say that's an insane amountto consume on a daily basis.Edited by: tonyxxy
I mean 0,20 gram...sorry.
cocaine_eyes
11-08-2005, 00:00
Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent, loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life. There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.
um well u'll b thin, but i highly doubt u'll get far in life unless u can actually NOT get addicted which is fuckin hard to do. ur going to become extremly sketchy and paranoid , have marks all over ur body becuz u will hallucinate so bad thinking u have things crawling on u and pick at ur skin. (i didnt even pick at my skin and i got these marks) ur pupils will become extremly dialiated everytime u do meth and wont u wont beable to go out in public if u dont want ppl to kno ur on it, its almost impossible to hide. and so much more shit, like listen to me here, i just recovered from an eating disorder and a coke addiction, i now eat 6 small meals a day and excersise regularly and i have lost 15 lbs, im 5'4 and 115lbs. u dont need to go down to drastic measures to loose weight, its not worth it. coke didnt help me loose weight until i was doing no less then a gram a day, and then i ended up in rehab. please take my advice ive been threw it all and the best way to loose weight is to eat 6 small meals a day, go to a nutritionist and get a meal plan.
just my 2 cents
Gas Da ShizzO
17-08-2005, 14:52
you will get addicted.
im a 19 year old male. in honesty. ive been anorexic for the past 4 years with a high weight of 215 and a low of 98. i was strait edge at the time also. ive gained back after recovery and shit and was at 145 stable weight (im 5'9)
ive been using for about 3 months but heavily the past month. im now at 132-135 and for the first time since i can rember im not worrying about eating. i can eat freely knowing that itll be burnt up and all gone thanks to "the speed diet" (psht)
i dont do crank to loose weight i do it for fun. and for me its fun to loose weight. its a win win situation.
iice and cocaine is the same as anorexia its a lifestyle not a diet. you dont plan to become anorexic. it just grabs you and fucks your life up. noone plans to be a speed junkie either
i am anorexic..it grabbed me before i knew it..
This is the exact reasonSWIM started back up using about 5-6 weeks ago. SWIM wanted to lose the 30 lbs. that he gained from a 6 month binge on drinking many 12-packs of Corona and Tecate. It's amazing how fast beer can cause one to gain weight. So far SWIM has lost about 19 lbs. which it seems much better to be mobilized, for at 210+ lbs. it's hard to bend over to tie one's shoes. SWIM first started with ordering some phentermine through an online pharmacy, letting his employer know that that is what he was doing to plan to lose weight, saving SWIM from having to worry about having to fail a piss test if the subject ever came up since the phentermine is in the same class as the udder shtuff we are talking about here. With that in hand, SWIM found a decent source for the shtuff. It worked on helping lose the weight no problem.
Unfortunately, since SWIM has had a problem with addiction in the past, he has been worried about it again, since starting to use the shtuff. SWIM has been working out with weights for over a year and lately has found it more of a challenge to make the time to, although SWIM knows that it is necessary to continue to do so as well as eat a regular meal at regular mealtimes just like usual, so as to not look like he's so messed up on phentermine that he needs counseling. SWIM is also concerned that once he loses all the 30 lbs. of excess ghetto booty, will he be able to stop using the shtuff and drop it down to a weekend warrior type of usage. It is truly a dangerous chemical and in the wrong person it can be a highly addictive item. SWIM has learned though to use more responsibly, making sure to go to bed most every night (maybe not every Friday or Saturday once in a while) and not make himself look like a geeked out buzz brain. It's all a matter of self control and it takes practice and alot of learning about oneself to not let the shtuff get control of oneself. An update on this will be posted once the full 30 lbs. is lost. That was the main goal, getting down to 180 lbs. again. That is a comfortable weight where SWIM doesn't look to skinny, has good muscle tone and saves his vertebrea and feet from excess pressure. Anyway, here's my experience so far. Good luck and BE CAREFUL!
schiz0phren1c
17-06-2008, 12:09
I agree with Nikki,
Carbine you sound as if you are in a bad place now,and it is not a good idea to be firing up a drug habit in order to lose weight....(this next bit will sound harsh) STAY AWAY FROM THE FUCKING FRIDGE!,a lot of studies show that people will constantly lie to themselves if they are in an eating cycle,they will blame genetics,stress,mc donalds and everything else in the world on their weight problem and ignore the fact that they are chomping their way through a shitload of junk food every day.
Swim is battling weight too,but I do not feel worthless cos I have extra weight at the moment,think positively,take exercise,change the routine,stop eating bread etc
oh and PS,
some of the sexiest women I've ever met/been with have been very curvy :D
MissPoppy485
25-06-2008, 09:18
SWIM is inclined to go with the 'don't do it' response as this is really the best course of action. However, SWIM uses speed to control her weight as well as to help with studies and generally getting things done. SWIM is also on antidepressants and knows what it's like having all these different factors interweaving. SWIM is aware that she has made a potentially damaging choice in using speed, but suggests that if you are going to do the same, be very very kind to yourself and careful with how you go about it. She says not to stop eating entirely, or even to restrict too much, as this will likely cause immense rebound hunger when drug use is stopped. It is important to eat and rest even when you feel you don't need/ want to, and to make sure you are careful not to up your doses regularly and become tolerant, as this easily leads to addiction. Use as little as you can and try to do most of the work with willpower- you'll look and feel alot better for it, and of course if you can do it drug free entirely, you will be better off still. Try and stay safe hun xx
BlondieUK
27-06-2008, 23:23
Ketamine makes it almost impossible to eat, if you have little bumps throughout the day, maybe some amphetamines or something, you'll have to actually force yourself to eat.
SmokingBowls420
23-09-2008, 22:04
There is no "Quick fix" to losing weight, not even meth, it works but at what cost? You want to keep the weight off, so you got to keep that meth ready....Great cycle eh?
Get a gym membership and dedicate 2 hours a day to it. Go to my pyramid its a gov site to help calculate and regulate nutrition.....Get used to this, this is how fit people do it.
tryptamaster
23-09-2008, 23:43
ok this thread is wrong on so many levels.... no discussion of prices is permitted and dont do a speed diet. its very dangerous to ur body and not at all worth it.
BlondieUK
28-09-2008, 19:12
^ Most of those posts were years old.
Swim thinks people need to clarify if they're talking about Amphetamines, Base Amphets or Meth/Crystal Meth
Anyway, 2cents here, speed does help you lose weight, although after a while you won't feel the "high", and you have to make sure you stick to what you were taking and not upping the dosage, this is how addiction starts.
Secondly, it does change your personality, albeit slowly but surely, and it's hard to notice without seeing it from someone elses shoes.
SmokingBowls420
29-09-2008, 03:09
Secondly, it does change your personality, albeit slowly but surely, and it's hard to notice without seeing it from someone elses shoes.
Swim can attest to this...Let's say Swims first name is C....Everyone swim knew would say "C is starting to get real skinny" or "C is pretty depressed"....after a few months, no one called Swim by his name, C anymore.....Instead it went like "There's the tweaker, hes looking under the door again"...."The tweaker is home again"...."The tweaker has got to get out of the house, the tweaker is acting nuts"..........Swim isn't sure how prevelent this is, but after awhile your just Swim Methamphetamine or The Tweaker
TheNewLeft
05-10-2008, 15:22
Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent, loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life. There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.
jesus christ, being a man myself...i'm just letting you know....i would NEVER get involved with someone as petty as concerned with physical appearence as you. what you just wrote is frightening. you have serious self esteem issues. your goal in life is too become skinny again so you can go through the process of being taken advantage by guys who only care about you for your looks?
i don't know who to blame; your parents or this god awful society for filling your head with this garbage.
NotYou_NoLongerMyself
08-10-2008, 12:18
Insane: I've thought long and hard about this and yes it is worth it. (BTW I'm a female so it applies double for me). When i was thin i had the world at my feet. I was popular, pretty, intellegent, loved and happy with myself. I had the potential to be anything i wanted to be. Now i'm just a fat person destined to a fat life. There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead.
"intellegent"
Moving on.
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This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on these boards, and I've seen a lot of rule-breaking and such. You've topped them.
SWIY don't need to lose weight, SWIY need to go get psychiatric help.
Don't bother trying to convince me that I've no clue what it's like to "feel fat," SWIM has been a diagnosed anorexic for roughly 25 years, and was finally told in late '06 SWIM was terminally ill due to all the physical damage SWIM did to their body.
SWIM was to die in May 2008. SWIM is still here, obviously, but is trapped in a wheelchair, fed by TPN (Direct line in veins, because digestive system has failed.), lives with 8 inches of colon outside SWIM's body, and currently going through multiple organ failure.
SWIM has no friends (There goes popularity), SWIM only leaves their home to go into the hospital, has no teeth, take seizures, has been in 3 comas [all at 74lbs, in the midst of trying to lose "just 5 more pounds...then maybe 10..."] resulting in brain damage, huge bald spots, loads of hair on SWIM's face, chest, stomach, etc (SWIM is female, but this is one more of the many side effects of dangerous method of weight loss), strokes, heart attacks, liver and kidney failure, urethral, vaginal and rectal prolapse [real sexy, huh?] and this isn't even the entire list of bullshit SWIM is dealing with because of dangerous weight loss methods/eating disorder.
The above does not only apply to those who are underweight, the above, and much more, including sudden death can occur at ANY weight.
SWIM is 5'7" and 75lbs (Or 170cm and 34kg) and STILL THINKS SWIM IS FAT.
SWIM has seen many weights show up on their scale, but whenever they looked at themselves, they never changed in appearance.
[All this due to wishing not to look like a woman because of past trauma. What a nice successful like SWIM lives, huh? SWIM has a mother and father, three cats and a rat they care so much about, and because of all this shit, they will live to see SWIM's death. It keeps her up at night, how much hurt SWIM is causing the ones SWIM cares about.]
All that being said; SWIY are welcome to join in...or go find something better to do with SWIY life.
SWIY may not be in the same situation, however, this statement:
"There's no other way to look at it. I don't care if I make myself sick from this, anything is better than being fat, even being dead."
Proves psychiatric help is in need.
Does SWIY care to take a few moments to think not for themselves but for what hurt SWIY will be causing ANYONE ELSE AROUND THEM?
If SWIY needs a little more of a reality check, SWIM has a journal following her health effects and speaking more about these issues, SWIY might just get a chance to see their future following the path SWIY posted about.
PM for the link if curiosity arises.
NotYou_NoLongerMyself added 136 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...
Our bodies have to have 3-5% fat for males and 5-7% fat for females to survive.
A woman should have around 20-25% body fat. [Men 8%-14%]
To stay alive a woman must have over 12% body fat. Going lower can result in death.
Many bodybuilding females range in at around 14%. Going below 14% is can cause permanent physical damage and/or death.