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I read a lot of GH, and all I hawe read was how good is this growth hormon, u feel beter, u slep beter, its almoust youth fountain.But what about side efects, ho this thing work, u get on weight, your body get more water, the bones becom biger...
Anything else about GH?I wanna try him, bt its quite expensiwe about 3765$: )
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 20:57
nearly no sides, water retention and pain , maybe because of that (intracranial pressure and at th wrist).Most unlikely or mild when used up to 3IU a day beginning with 1IU/day... but profound and impressive when used like 5-10IU 2on/2off.
First dosing regime up to 3IU is only worth it, when training long time and hard to get over the negative feedback loop with the training stimulus and used in th elong run as efefcts will be felt after week 4-6.IGF-1 levels(somatomedine c )
will remain nearly the same.
Other so with up to 10IU a day... IGF levels will rise subsequently from hour 2 after injection and will remain elevetad for the next 24 hours wit a peak at, if I remeber correctly, 6 hours.
If u have only little HGH swim would go the high-dose regime for swim had great success with it in very short time and kicked ass in some competition.
Swim used 1500iu in 3 years with various dosing regimes.
painfully_lost
21-09-2006, 21:03
no sides my ass, just had my tonsuls removed because they over grew and I could not breath well. caused sleep apnea.
work out naturally, your body will last longer.
Fantasian
21-09-2006, 21:09
Anything else about GH?I wanna try him, bt its quite expensiwe about 3765$: )
Beware of putting up pricing of drugs, it's frowned upon and is against the rules.
Hmm work out naturaly, are u kidinig me...if I start at the begining, I tried with nutrition, I read ewerything, and eat food (carbohydrates with low GI), and a lot of proteins, ad vitamins...nothing I get 5kg of wight but I am not sure if was this muscle:)
If u wanna know my nutrition 3g proteins/1kg of my bw.
4g CH/1kg of my bw
And when I went sleep, i dont eat Carbohydrates...
SOO since now nothing, now I tried with naposim, this is my second week , I hope I will get 5-10kg of muscle mass...I dont wanna magic solution, but ewerything I try, I always get fat in the side of stomach...ARG
When/if I got 85kg I will take epehdrin, and go to definicion....
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 21:21
no sides my ass, just had my tonsuls removed because they over grew and I could not breath well. caused sleep apnea.
work out naturally, your body will last longer.
So anything that you can bring up that gh was the cause?
iīve done a lot of reading but never found a thing about it.
How much and how long did swiy use it?
Working out naturally will waste your body earlier, as soon as youīll
be working out for pro competition and GH is, even if belived not to be, one of the mildest most natural things one could put into his body.:eek:
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 21:25
High-protein diet is only recommended and useful when on roids at least to swims experience.
Try out Testosterone, keep watching for more realistic gains like 3 kilos of real muscle, that will stay in the long run and be conserved by the consecutiv training-routine youīve worked out.
Thatīs a lot and everyone will see! Take into account the fat-loss thatīll come with the training and test, also!
painfully_lost
21-09-2006, 21:25
no, I was off of juice for a while and just using HGH. I had ear infections so I was seeing ear/nose/throat doctor quite often before and after. He said he has never seen anthing like this before, by uvuela and tonsils just grew and negatively effected my breathing. I body build as well, so I am quite sure and so is he that is was HGH.
hmm I read article, TESTOSTERON VS GH.
In testosteron you get muscle weigt, but in Gh u get biger bones, water, and muscles...But Im not sure wher u get biger liwer, in testosteron or Gh u get biger liwer.They also wroten about cancer on prostate, but the resarches were newer prowed.
[quote=Grifin]hmm I read article, TESTOSTERON VS GH.
In testosteron you get muscle weigt, but in Gh u get biger bones, water, and muscles...But Im not sure wher u get biger liwer, in testosteron or Gh u get biger liwer.They also wroten about cancer on prostate, but the resarches were newer prowed.What what is beter NAPOSIM DIANABOL OR testosteron?If I take testosrone, my body will not develop so many testosteron...SO that mean that is more posibilyt, that I will not hawe childrens...
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 21:33
U donīt get bigger bones with gh, only when used in very very high doses and for a longtime.
GH speeds up the bone metabolism, like speeding up the remodeling of bone structre according to the actual functional needs (therefore great success in healing fractures with gh).Test and Gh will not make your liver grow unless used in high dose but make the glucose-stores bigger, so youīll be having more energy to waste.
PSA is always higher when Testosterone is used, but thatīs a critcal marker,
and it stil has to be proven that test can really cuase prostata cancer, in fact itīs highly doubtful.
No cases of cancer have been seen worldwide within the use of GH since its invention.
At painfully lost, I wonder if he would blame the gh if he didnīt knew about gh?;)
If you always had probs within that region, why gh blame it?
how much did swipl use and for how long?
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 21:36
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9730677&query_hl=43
Testosterone:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10335026&query_hl=21
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 21:44
You can have children even whe using testosterone, tell your doctor he will treat you with LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone and/or Human Choriongonadotrophin, so youīre testicles will develop many mature sperms.:)
Test is easier on the liver but has to be injected othe rthan Dianabol.
Dbol acts a little faster but gains made with testosterone seem to be more permanent a combimnation of both mioght work, but then high estradiol-levels might become a problem.
stoneinfocus
21-09-2006, 21:49
[quote=Grifin]hmm I read article, TESTOSTERON VS GH.
In testosteron you get muscle weigt, but in Gh u get biger bones, water, and muscles...But Im not sure wher u get biger liwer, in testosteron or Gh u get biger liwer.They also wroten about cancer on prostate, but the resarches were newer prowed.What what is beter NAPOSIM DIANABOL OR testosteron?If I take testosrone, my body will not develop so many testosteron...SO that mean that is more posibilyt, that I will not hawe childrens...
it doesnīt matter; -dbol is a Testosterone-derivative and will do all the things Testosterone will do, swiG will replace natural low Testl-evels by adding Hormones like Dbol or Test and increase the bodys ability to absorb protein (total nitrogen).... if you want your body to produce test you have totake HCG or LH or FSH, these will make your body produce your own hormones (no nut-shrinkage;) )
hmm i thought about low testosteron in my body, can u teal me the original name of substance who start developing testosterone?
painfully_lost
21-09-2006, 22:22
swim knows lots about juice, igf-1, hgh, etc.
Doctor is a close friend of wifey. NO proof, just his and her gut feelings.
swims wifey is in medical industry as well.
swim has been juicing on/off for many years got up to 260lbs 9%bf
no matter what juice anyone uses, know your body will need to do a recovery program to save your gains and get your nads up to speed again.
Your nads go on vacation when you go on the sauce.
have a nice day kiddies. SWIM now deals with joint paint that requires lots of schedule 2 meds.
stoneinfocus
22-09-2006, 01:05
hmm i thought about low testosteron in my body, can u teal me the original name of substance who start developing testosterone?
There is no way that u can make your body produce that much Testoterone as swiG is wanting it for his purpose - all those substances have a bad rep in the BB-community and is most likely something for the competing and controlled athlete seeking faster recovery and no weight-gain.
U might get your hormone status checked by the doc and if itīs too low, then heīll prescribe you testosterone bur a low level defined as normal by
definition might already have a very negative impact on someones life.
Most of the testosterone is produced by the Leydig-cells, which are in the testes ,after secretion of the Luteinizing Hormone from the pituitary -One could take substances thatīd make the pituitary secrete more LH, Like Clomifene, or reduce estrogen-levels by an inhibitor, or one might inject substances that mimic LH. like FSH or HCG or use a combination of those which is a post cylce regime, what swiG should do after stopping the use.
bcStoner420
22-09-2006, 01:28
Check out this link.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Discover-Natural-Testosterone-Boosters&id=159249
Also search google yourself. The best way to increase testosterone levels is to make your body make more naturally, not put artificial hormones in it. Any artificial hormones will have adverse side effects and steroids or HGH (human growth hormone) will in turn make your body produce less itself meaning once you stop the "supplements" you will go down to the testosterone levels of a pre-pubecent girl.
Garlic is great; it increases anabolic tesosterone(builds muscle) and reduces catabolic hormones (breaks down muscle). Sorry I can't go into much more detail because I gotta go pretty quick.
On a side note- Drug abuse of almost any kind (including cigarettes) lower testosterone quite a bit (opioids are the worste). Take in lots of calories with at least 30% dietary fat, and lots of carbs. High protein was once thought of as higher the better but some studies show that too much can actually lower your bodys natural testosterone production. Get a sufficient amoutn of protein and youll be fine (150 grams/ day or so). Get regular sleep (at least 7-8 hrs a night) and taking zinc supplements before bed is thought to increase your bodies HGH release during your sleeping period. Intense excersize also increases HGH.
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Hmm what do u think with that:"High protein was once thought of as higher the better but some studies show that too much can actually lower your bodys natural testosterone?"Do you mean, if you are taking too much proteins daily your lewel of testosterone drop?
I am taking about 225g of proteins/per day(at the end of the training I mix that with maltoedextrin) maybe more or less.I though, I would go to doctor to check my testosterone level...But now I am testing NAPOSIM DIANABOL, and since 2 weeks the results are here, they are good but for how long.May I teal you more, I dont eat sugar, neither carbohydrates with high glikochemichal index...but I still get fat near the stomach side.Before trening I make 15-20min of cardio, at the end 10-15min cardio.2-3 days at week I am hawing cardio for 1,5-2 hours...SO, I DONT GET, IT WHY FAT IN MY BODY.
If we are taking about natural producing of testosterone what would you guys told me about Tribestan - Tribulus Terrestris, is it wourth to buy this?
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But I notice, that u writen about cigarets; that they are lowing level of testosteron that's true, I am smoking but only 1 packet/4,5, or 1 week.I dont drink, I am not using any ilegal drugs...I realy must go to the doctor, cause naposime efects is only temporary, I think.
bcstoner420 ur Idea about using testosterone is true, it is logic once you are puting in ur body testosterone, your body start lowing your won testosterone.But what do u think about Naposim, I wanna hear your opininon.It's derivat of testostero as u know...
bcStoner420
22-09-2006, 06:09
It's hard to say why you still have fat on your body, its really a funny thing that fat is. Which brings me to another thing-an excess of fat also lowers your testosterone levels, what you described doesn't sound like enough to be a big deal though. DO NOT cut your calories down in attempt to lose weight, it will not work. Cutting your calories down by 15% or more will put your body into starvation mode, halting it's testosterone production making you gain more weight which in turn will lower testosterone even more! Look at aromatase inhibitors because this enzyme is responsible for converting testosterone into estrogen which is the exact opposite of what you want, therefore inhibiting it is what you want to do. Chrysin + piperine is thought to inhibit aromatase along with foods like brocolli cabbage and brussel sprouts. Avena Sativa (oats, also a good source of carbs) binds to SHGB leaving less to bind to testosterone which leaves more bioavailable testosterone in your blood stream. Nettle root extract and Pygeum also do this, plus they also reduce the risk of prostate cancer which is a bonus as well. A sufficient amount of vitamin C will reduce cortisol levels which is good because cortisol reduces testosterone levels. Overtraining can also lower your testosterone SUBSTANTIALLY!
You see there are many many ways to increase your bodies testosterone naturally. Most of what I was just talking about is in this article http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Natural-Ways-to-Increase-Testosterone-Bioavailability-in-Athletes&id=178311
Naposim is still artificial and your testosterone levels will still likely rebound. Steroid users often use chemical aromatose inhibitors when coming off a cycle to keep the rebound to a minimum. There are still side effects though and if you dont keep up your usage your gains will likely only be semi- permanent. In my opinion the best way to do things is still the natural way by boosting your own bodies test. production. With so many ways to do it you can really raise your testosterone quite alot. I have a large belief in the human body itself and its abilities. You cant expect that pumping your body full of artificial hormones is going to benefit it in the longrun regaurdless of what any steroid user will tell you. Even testosterone replacement will only get you to an average level of testosterone if your low in the first place. And on replacement therapy you are having to constantly supply your body.
Think about what your striving for too- do you just want to be huge or do you want to be strong? Although being as big as body builders are they must have substantial strength, true strength trainers are stronger and are not as big as body builders.
Thank you.
The first mistake I hawe been doing, was runing, I was runing 15-20 min before fitnes,and after at hart beat 95-100beats/min.Now I will start sprinting for 5 min.
If we are talking about foods, I hawe 6-7meals/daly, the last meal doesn't use any carbo hydrates, yust good fats, and proteins.
And talking about strenth, hmm my bench lift is 80kg, my bw is 75kg.
What is zinc suplemenent.And what is Chrysin + piperine.
But still, I was consured about consuming testosterone, this si not the true way to gain muscle weight.
Micklemouse
22-09-2006, 12:14
Grifin - please check your inbox (link to Private Messages at top right of page.).
I did, but that's true I didnt waste my time with reading the rules.Ok now I know, sory.
painfully_lost
22-09-2006, 19:58
bcstoner420, that is excellent information. SWIM wishes SWIM would have gone the natural route a long time ago. SWIM is now, but SWIM has to pay the price of a damaged body by years of using the sauce. Steroids are also sch III drugs now, very harsh crime, just for possession.
The only thing SWIJ has to add here is re the "Source" of the GH. Is it genetically (re) engineered or cadaveric?
Variant CJD and hepatitis have been transmitted via cadaveric GH and SWIY's really don't want to go there
Painfuly_lost, did swim consumed GH, or any other steroid?What hapend to his body?what were the side efects?and what do u mean by that Steroids are also sch III drugs now.That laws are only in usa, but how would people know if "dolphin or swim" consumed or the steroids?
Jatelka whats the diference betwen genetically (re) engineered or cadaveric?I am noob about this things...I am wondering what would hapend if "dolphin" try a hormon adrenalin?would be nervous, ful of energy, I am thinking about this hormon for years.
I heard if someone uses growth hormons the hands, feet and jaw can begin to grow again.
@ Grifin: "Cadaveric" is derived from corpses pituitary glands. GH can also be "engineered" by DNA technology (SWIJ is shaky on the science). The cadaveric stuff is the stuff implicated in disease transmission.
Are u work in pharmacy, or areu chemist?
Neither... The profile says all.
Than you must know the answer of one of my question, what about Adrenalin...?this hormon would kill the human, swim, doplphin : );)
stoneinfocus
24-09-2006, 03:54
Painfully Lost, if you donīt even get the facts of what and how long u used and accusing then growth hormone for problems with your tonsils is ridiculous!
Hormones like 200mg testosterone every forthnight are medically and ehtical dosings for the long run and decent gains can be achieved with this regime!
thereīs also one study showing that after moth 5 of continuos use the body starts producing itzs own Test again which is called rebound-efect and this term is used completely wrong on BB-discussionboards worldwide -do a search!
Even without proper post cycle therapy gains that are made are maintained for at least 2 years.Swims experience as a nation-worldwide competitioner not in BB .
hereīs the study on test @ 200mg/week (gains can be had with thois dose, also!)and maintaining your sperms!:)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15713727&query_hl=81&itool=pubmed_DocSum
Well Iīve found one article on sleep apnea and tonsils that are growing with the gh therapy, but Iīm sceptic.
nanobrain
25-09-2006, 22:16
all considerin the hormone / steroidal derivs for reasons of vanity (really now, cmon) should think long term as the effects of these compounds will no doubt reflect not only on your own metabolic and immune status irreversibly, but alos may have the capacity to be teratogenic, mayhap mutagenic and you will definitely screw up your ofsprings' immune system.
your kids can look forward to exzema, asthma, psoriaisis, greater suseptibility to and prolonged course of aquired viral disorders, etc etc.
i have yet to see sustainably health-enabling and overall benefical results, even cosmetic, from any of the long term users of seriuos hormones.
It is depedn for how long are u taking this?!I will take Naposim for about 4-8 weeks than I am finish with hormones...
Ruffneck
08-04-2007, 21:09
ok to get anything from g/hormone you need to take it for at least 6 months at a dosage depending on your weight.
g/h will help you gain muscle mass and help reduce fat over this time(though it is an expensive way to go about doing this)test and a good diet and workout regime will cost a lot less and will achive your goals over a shorter time.
stoneinfocus
11-04-2007, 00:48
ok to get anything from g/hormone you need to take it for at least 6 months at a dosage depending on your weight.
g/h will help you gain muscle mass and help reduce fat over this time(though it is an expensive way to go about doing this)test and a good diet and workout regime will cost a lot less and will achive your goals over a shorter time.
according to nanobrain thereīd be no use :P -also itīs a myth that thereīre mutagenic, cancerogenic or teratogenic actions and all sides even the worst, (except death by multiple organ failure) are at least stopped immediately within the qutting of use and / or will be reversed.
thereīs a huge benfit of these substances from injuries, to chronic pain, to depression and mental conditions, ageing. etc. . , concerning their sides and their efficiencey and sides, they kick-ass of any SSRI or half-assed pseudo-analeptic jokes of these kinds.
to Grifin: Human Chorion Gonadotrophin and youīll be able to have children while being on sauce.
SWIM felt that GHB, in retrospect, had noticable growth hormone qualitites that seemed to maintain themselves over time. SWIM's theory is that the shorter release of growth hormone for a few hours once a day or so was probably closer to what the pituitary spits out naturally than longer lasting GH injections.
Growth hormone seems to sport a look in regular users. Mild acromegaly like andre the giant. GHB did not seem to have that effect. Cessation for SWIM caused a real dropoff in strength, stamina and energy most noticable at the gym.
stoneinfocus
12-04-2007, 20:29
Jep, swim experimented over three years with different dosings and multiple split injections throughout the day, mimicing the natural pulse/burst-effect.
But then swim realized, that there were flaws with his theory:
1- you get more out of the injection the bigger the bolus, resp. drug-dose is (more drug reaches the metabolism)
2 -IGF-peak is also higher with a huge pulse or bolus injection, this maybe wanted or not, so thereīs
natureīs way to adapt to certain needs
(threshold of katabolism-/anabolism or just to facilitate the energy-metabolism)
3- swim never did high doses, thoogh he wanted to, but was too much of a cheapskate to do it this way insteasd the long trun of 2iu/d, but it was said all the time that the long rung would be, whatīs effective.
4- thereīs a considerable receptor downregulation to hgh, not so quick, but itīs a kind of frustrating when beyond 4, 6 or 8 months you hardly get anything out of the drug anymore, at 3iu/day
So contrarly to these flaws in swimīs regime, mimicing the natural growth hormone burst as they are found in adolescents or pubescents would be the most cost-effective and overall effective way, considering drug-absorption, IGF stim -> anabolism etc. .
so mabe using thrice a week would be best at 4-10IU once in a time, or higher.
*all* growth hormone available at this point is recombinant, cadaveric was droped several years ago.
mind you, the fda aproval paper states that growth hormone treatment sould be seased if there are any ongoing tumors.
personaly ive used gh and igf (and AAS) and they are good, but you sould really check some cancer indicators once in a while just to be on the safe side.
and mind you, the post GH crash especially for an athlete can be profoundly bothersome
stoneinfocus
05-05-2007, 19:36
Swims use of a very specific combination of anabolic drugs, one of which is said to specifically boost HGH/IGF, helps him to breath considerably easier, fights depression like nothing and is euphoric, so swim needs no drugs and really feels like trading, if he wants to get high on things like speed (exception MDA).
Also, his skin improves, and he dropped corticosteroid use from 40-60mg/day with breathing problems and night sweats, to 10-15mg/say, sometimes every other day, with better results than the aforementioned regime.
Heīs a lot more relaxed and easy going and feels like a whole life has returned to him, like all feelings hardly seen are now amplified without being altered, like in the way that they were inappropiate or "not in place", heīs gained inner strength and a new spiritual quality as well as his logical thinking improved and deductive throughthinking of things, but with the cost of a slightly impaired language coordination of the androgens.
HGH would be a nice addition, but with strong aromatizing agents and the prolcatinogenic actions because of the resemblance to some parts of the gh-molecule would most likely make his titts grow and sensitive, although the last time he did it, he didnīt use anti-eīs.
Considering the gh on the market. thereīs imho only one real thing as it seems,
at least if itīs not from a licensed pharmacy on prescription.(the corpse derived thing might be worth rethinking, considering the number of executions in china and executions of prisoners on demand for certain organs, but in the end, the novel biopharmaceuticals seem to be more cost-efficient and should provide enough hgh for the whole worldīs demand).
Hgh is a great thing and improves energy levels considerably, if used for this purpose, but thereīre the mentioned draw-backs, like price and fakes and other anabolic agents might fo the same job, if youīre no pro-athlete, at a fraction of the price, with the drawback of mabye some spots, haiross and slightly enlarged prostatic gland.
High-protein diet is only recommended and useful when on roids at least to swims experience.
Try out Testosterone, keep watching for more realistic gains like 3 kilos of real muscle, that will stay in the long run and be conserved by the consecutiv training-routine youīve worked out.
Thatīs a lot and everyone will see! Take into account the fat-loss thatīll come with the training and test, also!
High protein is mandatory even if you are not juicing.