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SWIM wants to know some ways to potentiate Methylphenidate. He came across this:
"L-Tyrosine can potentiate increases in dopamine from methylphenidate, better known as Ritalin"
He will probably pick up some of this and try it, but are there any real known and tested ways, for recreational means? This seems promising, though.
Forthesevenlakes
09-08-2006, 14:31
swim's almost willing to bet grapefruit juice would do it. tying up those cytochrome p450 enzymes and all that.
look, swim's got insomnia without the aid of methylphenidate =]
Hey there!
Yeah SWIM didn't sleep all that much last night, but isn't too tired this morn, os all is well. He wants these last 5 to be saved for the whole day somehow. I also assumed grapefruit juice would work. SWIM will try that.
Mmm, that 10mg MPH and giant cup of coffee sure got SWIMs gears moving this morning :)
Forthesevenlakes
09-08-2006, 14:40
caffeine and the methylphenidate always interacted nicely for swim too, same goes for nicotine. maybe nicotine gum would work even better for work than cigarettes due to the slow release?
Yeah, I think SWIM is more addicted to the act of "smoking" a cig, using his hands, etc. Everytime he tries dip and stuff like that he's just like... "eh, well I need a cig now"
Oh well, time for SWIM to work. Hopefully grapefruit juice will work and SWIM can tame himself from taking all of these too fast, as he would like to have like 2-3 for after work. eek O_O
Oh well, I can tell it will be a good day for SWIM!
Forthesevenlakes
09-08-2006, 14:49
best of luck to swiy! happy potentiating!
swim is more addicted to the act of smoking, too. he's on day 3 of quitting, and after chewing the gum, he thinks, "wow, if only they had that in smokable form".
the grapefruit juice potentiates adderall swim read elsewhere on the forum...and believes according to rxlist that it will potentiate methyphenidate, please post how it works out!
Oh, you know SWIM will spill it all! :)
Take care, will post later for SWIM.
happy potentiating!
LOL!!
Coffee does not work for SWIM, it actually lessens the effect of methylphenidate. It worked before, but not lately. Some energy drinks work well for potentiating the methylphenidate though, but I have no idea which ingredient(s) is responsible. Must try to check it out next time.
Hmmm, I think I recall seeing L-Tyrosine in energy drinks, which would probably be the cause. Could be mistaken.
SWIM will try that as well (if energy drinks have that in em)
Forthesevenlakes
09-08-2006, 15:03
a quick search on swims part revealed that alot of energy drinks do indeed have l-tyrosine in them, which could be the great potentiator.
swim needs sleep...he's starting to wonder about the last time he used "swim" as a verb...
Bummer, the one SWIM is drinking right now does not have it. Or is there another commercial name for it?
Forthesevenlakes
09-08-2006, 15:13
dont think so, its an amino acid, not a drug per se...
Oh I forgot, alcohol works for SWIM. Just a beer or two!
SWIM said he couldn't find an energy drink with L-Tyrosine in it. Has like L-Carnitine or whatever, Taurine.. that stuff.
Anyway, SWIM had some grapefruit juice. Well, ok. here's a more "organized" version, which was written on a note SWIM found under a couch in this weird dark ally.
"I woke up around 7:45-8am, insufflated 10mg and had coffee. Very nice wake up call. Went and got grapefruit juice (Florida Natural, forget the size, but it was 30% juice concentrate) and drank it at about 9:30-9:45. Wait an hour and blew another 10. Not sure about the potentiation. If anything it made it like 15-20 mins longer. Anyway, the track of time wasn't really known from this point, but throughout the day (so far) SWIM insufflated 5x 10mg pills (50mg... der?). Today the euphoria, excitement and focus were heightened, maybe it was the grapefruit juice (SWIM drank 2 of these and an 2 energy drinks as well). SWIM just took another 10mg up the schnazaroony (oh, side note. This stuff seems pretty damaging to the insides of SWIMs nose [blew his nose and there was some blood]. Would extracting the pure MPH be worthwhile? SWIM would probably do anything to be as safe as possible.)
Ok where were we? See, now I have to go and read what I wrote, makes SWIM go off tangent and his mind jumps around to very random things. It's nice, though.
OK. So SWIM says as he gets more aquainted with this substance, it has seemed to show more love back. Although SWIM didn't give it much time to make him crash. He isn't worried, though... he's equipped with valium and marijuana, which did the trick last time... wonderfully.
Ok, anyway... SWIM has to get back to work! Hah. SWIM loves his job. He just had to leave because his mother was in dire need for some weed (shes an occasional smoker, about to go to some concert with her friends. I love my family)
So yeah. Peace!"
Forthesevenlakes
10-08-2006, 00:06
seems like there might be at least a little potentiation, at the very least there doesnt seem to be much tolerance from swiy's experiment yesterday. but yes, the more one gets familiar with methylphenidate the better one seems to be able to harness its effects.
swim thinks that he had the same problem with insufflation...the binders or whatever they put in there dont absorb at all. swim didnt get a bloody nose, but he did get a bad sinus headache from having that crap lodged in his nostril for a day last time he had a bout with it. maybe try to do a water shot 10 minutes or so after insufflation?
Yeah, SWIM just washed his nose with water and blew out a bunch of crap. His job gets pretty dusty, too.. so there was a whole mess of crap.
Anyway, SWIM only has one left. Boo. He has been coming down, took 5mg valium and smoked earlier, to smooth it out a bit. It's not edgy or anything... kind of depressing "i just wanna sit in my room alone" sorta feeling... but really it's just the super ultra excited happiness turning into "normal" feelings, so it feels worse than it really is. So SWIM tells himself :)
Anyway, he is going to take the last hoorah in a bit and work on some stuff, take a bunch of valium and bong it up all night.
I can see SWIM wanting to take these every damn chance he can, which kind of is bad, as he has such an addictive personality. too bad/good thing his source is not steady and can only get it on rare occasions (SWIM hates not being able to find the drug he wants when he wants it)
Another side effect SWIM noticed was an increase in his carpel tunnel. His hands kinda of stiffin up more, and his pinky gets kind of numb and stuff.
Not a big issue, though.
God, he could not shut up at work haha. He kept leaving his area of where he should be working to ramble to his coworkers, and even babbled his mouth off to the big big boss, who everyone hates. Acted VERY buddy buddy, and he was nice in return, which is rare. SWIM is very loving towards people on this drug. I think he is starting to like it more than adderall. I guess, according to SWIM, they both have their pros and cons, and should be used for different occasions.
Well.... expect more ramblings, I'm sure!
Well, there he goes! Last hoorah!:snort: :eek: :crazy (< :smoking: :D :cool: (SWIM thought this was an appropriate order to his actions this evening ;))
Eck... yeah I think next time SWIM will just extract the methylphenidate.... Should be pretty quick and simple (assuming the binders aren't a pain in the ass..). SWIMs nose is all blegh. Oh, his mind and happiness, though. That's up there :)
(SWIM hates when you snort shit and it puts a weird pain like an inch from SWIYour ear. Weird jawy-ear pain. Can't forget the eye water.
Plus snorting 10mg instead of 10mg + Xmg of stuff SWIM doesn't want up his nose would be much better feeling. Probably would hit SWIM faster as well, as your nose will probably absorb the drug way faster, nothing really 'blocking' it from hittin those lovely membranes!
Jesus, SWIM feels like writing a novel or something.
SWIM wants more. It's either phone call time or diazebong time (SWIM just came up with that and thinks its pretty clever. Yep). I think SWIM received the last 10.
Yep, SWIM had the last of the stash. Boo. Diazebong time..
Thank god for Valium, on SWIMS part. He has a feeling the crash would be enough to make him not even want to do it, unless he had an infinate supply.
Man, though, there is definately "fiend" feelings with this, a lot moreso than with Adderall. It's reminding SWIM of his cocaine days.. (very much so. "gotta go sneak into the bathroom for another one" feeling)
SWIM just hates coming down from anything. Sobriety gets boring to SWIM.
Ah yes, perfect for SWIM. The valium has smoothed out the half-tweakage need more so SWIM can stay up for 4 weeks kind of feeling... but still was kinda of "blue"... few hits of the bong... All of SWIMS problems were gone.
Timing these, and the combination, is definately like a 90-100% crash cure for SWIM. Very nice :)
SWIM really had to get out of the 'stimulant' mindset (SWIM tends to go overboard when he's in 'stimulant phase' - SWIM justs wants wants wants, sniffs sniffs sniffs. Yippidy yap yap yap zzzZZZZAM - he usually cycles through like.. groups of drugs. Handles everything else fine.). scouraging through numbers of people who might have shit. He decided to take about 15mg Valium... kind of chilled.. then took a hit or two (so far. plenty more for him) and already feels pretty damn good. Not really bad at all (although he can still feel the crash trying like bust in SWIM little void of diazebong crash block.)
Ok this stuff is hard to explain. SWIM is actually getting a bit more wired... although the "last hooray" was really nothing except a crash potentiator.
Ah well...
(At leas its like, only 11:30 and SWIHim's not tweaked to shit, like last night. [Dammit, Forethesevenlakes. why haven't you popped out of the woodwork yet? :)])
Ahh... SWIM feels quiiiite nice. He told me it flops the crash around into a differnt type of high (but the actual crash is now a little mosquito that SWIM has to swat away. Slightly annoying. Tolerable, but god damn if that would JUST LEAVE! :)). Seems, to SWIM, that it is a very non-fatigued, relaxed, comfortable, happy and smoothly energetic kind of high. But, SWIM has had VERY strange reactions to a lot of drugs, very strong and rare reactions.
Well. SWIM enjoys the shit out of these things. Maybe, for him, it's good that he can only get them on occasion...
Forthesevenlakes
10-08-2006, 05:38
swim will have to keep the diazebong remedy in mind for the next time he gets a stimulant crash! swim hates coming down too, but stimulants are probably the worst of the bunch. with many other drugs, theres a sort of gentle transition back into reality, and with some drugs theres even a lovely afterglow. but with stimulants the crash just seems, without exception, harsh and depressing!
interesting that swiy got more fiending feelings than with adderall, usually one would expect it to be the other way around!
Welp, guess thats number three hundred and fifty two drugs SWIM has taken that had has strange reactions?
SWIM tells me, from he what he remembers, is thet methylphenidate, esp with how things went today, was VERY similar to cocaine, even kinda of better. If SWIY has enough for at least a whole day, really. Can't really go out while your crashin and fake not being a miserable mess. "Sweet I'll uh... ehh.. sit over here...."
*forthesevenlakes hears his name underneat the drugs forum in a cave.. "uh.. eh?"... the drug goblin. Man, SWIM has got to stop rambling. SWIM supposes he still is tweakin a bit... very nicely and surpisingly... just hit him now, he said. Eeeeenteresting.
Well, SWIM supposes there will be no more experiments for a while. He hopes to OH GOD DONT PUT ANY ALCOHOL CREST FREE PRO-HEALTH IN YOUR BONG, like Lysterine 'doop dee doop, oh nice alcohol-free. no thc absorbtion. rahhhh'. Ohhhhh god the pain. in SWIM. I'm uh, speaking through him.
ok. well. I dont even know if SWIM was in the middle of a sory or not but yeah. wowzers..
God Dammit, thats exactly what the doctor ordered for SWIMs sore throat.
Probably the only thing it doesn't help/cure with sickness (hangovers. one or two or three hits, eat something while you can, drink water. feel better. Depending on the kind of headache, one or two hits, a hot bath and a small diazepam dose+advil works wonders, just being sick in general, its like the damn kryptonite.)
(Side note. well actually it answers the threads question, on SWIMs part. The grapefruit juice fdefinately did something. I don't know. Today, SWIM says was amazing and highly euphoric. SWIM doesn't really take amphetamines, though.. so he IS kinda of just getting aquanted with some (but he definately felt as though grapefruit juice, EVEN if its placebo [for cryin out loud, if you think you are happier... well.... you are!]) :)
After typing that SWIM forgot what to write.
o_O
Forthesevenlakes
10-08-2006, 06:02
swim just noticed that swiy had his 666th post, congratulations!
did the pseudo-listerine really go into the bong? swim may have to try that for a cold/cough when he gets it. its sounds like the mj version of a menthol cigarette. but the diazebong method sounds like a much friendlier equivalent of a panacea swim had last year called "20-40 mg liquid oxycodone for any illness"...somehow swim just couldnt stop taking his medicine.
wonder how bong hits would feel while the methylphenidate was going strong? would it take any existent edge off? wonder what the drug goblin hiding beneath d-f would have to say about that one...
SWIM smoked a bowl or two. Said it definately didn't trigger SWIMs anxiety anti-social 'get SWIM the fuck outta here', made him more social.
wow. on a side note, SWIM just IMed someoen something about 'satan in SWIMS lungs' from the bong water. If only SWIY knew all the very very very ironical things behind this. Sings?
Oi..
Aright well.. Im tired, but I could stay up if SWIM wanted.. like choosing a door.
Perhaps SWIM will be back?
(PS, SWIM says he gets oddly superstitious about thing. Man, SWIM will need another 10 to explain the whole story :)Novel with 78 Chapters..)
Ok... peace
:confused:
Forthesevenlakes
10-08-2006, 06:30
haha looks like the diazebong has some wonderful synergy. the choice to stay awake or sleep...thats pretty rare with any drug in swims experience. nice irony with the satan in swims lungs thing too!!!:cool:
Damn
SWIM was ripped all day.
He says he is 85% sure the the grapefruit juice made the experience MANY times more enjoyable. Unless he just had a different reaction that day.
Well... SWIM can't really get any stims... don't know when he can. Boo.
What a great day, though.
God damn, look at all that random babbling! SWIM, What a kook! :)
Forthesevenlakes
10-08-2006, 20:23
this is good to know. next time swim gets his hands on some stimulants, he's going to ask the grapefruit goblins if they will accompany him on the ride. its one thing to read about potentiation, another to have it actually proven. nice job swiy!
and yeah...swim was loving those posts last night. he says that if a "best of drugs-forum" were to be compiled, they'd certainly be on there.
Hehe, SWIM couldn't help making it a sort of live-in the action-post.
And out of the blue Adderall 20mg's were offered to SWIM which he will be getting shortly :)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 00:02
hm, maybe its time to see what potentiates those, too!
EDIT: swim may start making some live-in-the-action posts too. they make for great reading and who knows, swiUs could raise it to some kind of art form. imagine TS eliot's waste land in that format..."april is the cruellest, AHHHH swiEzra Pound spilled the bong water!"
oh there will be experimenting.
SWIM has a shit eatting grin on his face, he found 10x 20mg pills.
SWIM just took 10mg to perk up, and get some of his work done for an hour or two, then hang out with his girlfriend.
Should be a nice ride. He doesn't want to tweak the hell out tonight. Again ;)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 07:37
haha swim expects a full trip report tomorrow!
welp. SWIM is diazebonging it. 10mg turned into 30mg.
SWIM finds going into higher doses than about 20-30mg won't really add much more. He didn't wait all that long for the first 20mg. This is where his fun times peaked.
SWIM effing LOVES how productive and motivated adderall makes him feel. Worked a little more on his Illustration/Graphic Design portfolio (SWIM would post it, but it would reveal secrets that no one should know. Find a way to contact me if you are interested in SWIMs work)
and endjoyed every second of it (waiting for his girlfriend to come and pick him up).
So she's on her way, by now I think SWIM still had 20mg. Went out and chain smoked about 4-5 cigarette's (100's) pacing and waiting (in a good, 'clearly thinking and organizing plans' sort of way). He even decided he should uncover all the rocks he's been stashing his butts under and tossed about 10 of them. (SWIM gets lazy sometimes and just stuffs the butt under a rock on the side of his walkway... haha.. better than running over it with the mower to reveal a nice cotton puff).
He then figured that was enough for the adds as it was kind of late and he should get to bed for work at some point and took a 5mg valium to combat the sligh slight crash (this crash is nothing, says SWIM, in comparison to methylphenidate at least).
They went to their friends house, SWIM had a drink or two and played some cards. Making very nice conversation, but not blabbing about every subject that comes to mind into mpeople faces (like he does with methylphenidate).
Anyway, SWIM likes this a lot better for situations that require patience, clear thinking and motivation (or social situations, like say... meeting a girls parents or something like that, if you are one of those nervous/anxious types. Seems as though this would build confidence and give you things to say instead of nervously laughing at corny jokes and twiddling your feet. Adderall (for SWIM) actually makes this tedious and boring tasks ("the put-off list") interesting and enjoyful as SWIM seems so interested in 'solving' complex issues.
The euphoria was decent (surprisngly.. not as much as MPH), he was pretty social. No anxiety. Time went by and SWIM went to the 'bathroom' and insufflated another half (10mg) bring him to his final night's dose of 30mg.
The way home it was 1am-1:30am. Shit, thinks SWIM, "I need to get up in the morning and it feels like I just woke up and am ready for the day.. better take care of that!" and then he popped 10 more mg of Valium.
Now he is ripping some bongs. DIAZEBONG (that name should become regular DF language. Stimulant Crash Remedy? DIAZEBONG. Just like UTFSE. "uhh... DUH... DIAZEBONG) Ok, whatever.
in conclusion SO FAR, in SWIMS eyes and mind:
Methylphenidate
Pros:
-High excitement and talkability
-Pretty damn good euphoria.
-Very high energy, not jittery... feels nice
Cons:
-The crash. Feeling it coming almost brings a tear to SWIMs eye. But this is almost not a con because of SWIMS Diazebong flip flop crash.
-Too short a duration
-Pretty unfocused, not really 'motivated' to get stuff done. More of a 'awww shit lets run down this fuckin hallway and jump off the walls. WAIT lets go fuckin spray paint something. OK!. Ok forget that lets do this, etc etc. Hard to stay on track. Heavy urge to stop, leave and go talk someones face off.
-Makes SWIM feel kinda of grimy and scummy, exactly how cocaine used to (how SWIM remembers). The whole experience in general was VERY simlar to cocaine.
-SWIm finds the sneaky fiend level to be decently high, almost as much as cocaine ("oh god I think I just felt a crash symptom. Gotta go sneak off and chop and sniff!" "just one more. Just one more. Ok a half. Fine do the other half. One more and we're done")
-A BIG ONE FOR SWIM: Insufflation. These tiny tiny white pills gunked up and burned SWIMs nose and ear/jaw (hard to explain, I'm sure some of SWIY knows what SWIM means). Slightly bloody boogers. Stuffed up for the next day
Adderall
Pros:
-Very comforting, mellow, yet high energy.
-Pretty good euphoria. Nice 'calm' social talking. Can be pulled off at a cop drug lecture or something ;)
-VERY IMPORTANT ONE TO SWIM: The absolute wonderfully feeling need to get things done, be organized, plan out future things and 'buckle down'. And actually do it. SWIM is very anal retentive with this, his room has got to be spotless. This alone makes SWIMs euphoria higher, knowing he accomplished something.
-Unlike MPH, SWIM feels good that he has taken this drug, there is no 'dirty guilt' behind it. SWIM knows he is getting shit done, going to go out and feel good, niiice.
-The insufflation is about 9,999% easier to handle. SWIM thinks it tasted rather good and yummy, like some sort of expensive sweet candy people pretend to like, but really tastes like any other candy. (SWIM also seems to be making odd analogies lately.. ha).
-The duration is longer (Although SWIM remembers it being a lot longer [when he took a 20mg XR, then snorted another 20mg XR way later. Tweaked all day PLUS]. I think one od these days he should do a quick dose of like 30mg and see how far he can go with it before he feels it leaving. Oh, well.. there will be more experimenting, SWIM says to trust him.
Cons
-SWIM actually has a hard time coming up with any
-Crash? I suppose some people may not enjoy the crash, especially if more adderalls, benzos and/or marijuana are not available.
-SWIM thinks they would look with a mood changing coating. Maybe see what your 'mood' is and take dose accordingly. That about uh, sums it up.
-SWIM isn't super experinced with Adderall, so we shall see.
edit: sublingualing another 5mg of valium, going to keep hitting a bong (good thing SWIM has a good supply of the safety savers :). SWIM has been watching the clock, then watching his rhythmicly bouncing foot... thinking about work at 9am (alarm will go off in 5 hours).
NEEDS MORE DIAZEBONG [in cowbell/will farrel skit.]
Ok SWIM is gonna watch tv, and not click around. his mind needs to know its going to bed.
Peace :)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 08:36
great writeup! swim finds that a roomful of people on MPH is alot more difficult to deal with than a bunch of people on adderall. with the adderall, everyone can get focused and join in on one conversation. but with the methylphenidate you get the cocaine-esque "lets all talk about different topics in one anothers general direction". for some reason methylphenidate sometimes makes swim really introverted and antisocial too. not so with adderall!
almost the opposite. keep in mind, all (well, save for a couple occassions) SWIMs experiments were done by him, and him only, ingesting the substances. (other parties usually are not partaking)
The time him and some friends first tried MPH they definately were getting that pseudo-almost angry *lean in* MY TURN TO TALK sort of thing. It's nice for goofin off, really Says SWIM.
Definately a lot like cocaine. SWIM said its good to go from when you should go to bed down, dosage wise. So SWIY have enough for the entire night (and the Diazebong), because when it's gone.. at least for SWIM, his night IS over. The Diazebong works, but won't make him a social butterfly. He will enjoy himself in his comfy bedroom, with only him in it.
Damn you. I'm actually going to bed this time.
*5 minutes later, Nahbus has another post*
GOOD. NIGHT.
:)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 08:54
some type of landing gear is necessary for swim with both, too. he hates that "ive come down but am feeling strung out and awake" feeling he gets after stimulants. coke is definitely the worst, but he can get it from the MPH and adderall too. diazebong may be the only cure. valium and weed he finds are best enjoyed with a small group of people or alone, so he believes swiy that it wont make swim social again after a long day of stimulant use.
swim should go to bed, but is awake and bored since he didnt manage to come across any oxycontin this evening. boooo. if he didnt have to be up tomorrow, he'd be tempted to try out some "propylhexedrine basics"!!
Hmmm. SWIM said the Diazebong worked better last night, on Methylphenidate. Well... SWIM actually doesn't know. SWIM is getting pretty tired. If so, the Diazebong Was qquicker for MPH.
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Haha. that has been on SWIMS mind a lot recently. (propylhexedrine.)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 08:58
...and five minutes later, Nahbus has another post!!!
swim is going to take a ride on the tram. tramadol that is...he finds its sometimes stimulating. not like methylphenidate, but if taken in the middle of the day it keeps him going without fatigue. oddly enough at night he finds its easy to pass out on it though. its quite a strange drug, the ssri properties of it seem to create a range of effects in different people.
how does propylhexedrine stack up against adderall or mph? think thered be cross tolerance between them? (the goblin hiding in the cave beneath d-f says to answer those tomorrow, ha ha)
Again, SWIM returns.. after drawing a pretty much full picture, swim says 99% of SWIY will like. thats another story.
Anyway.. strange... when SWIM takes trams.. he feels great for about 4-5-6 hours then a HEAVY feeling of unfightable fatigues slams SWIM in the face. Nothing he can do t stay awake (well... I'm sure the stuff he's been xperimenting would, but he hasn't researched the saftey of it.)
He LOVES the feeling, but the absolute sedation is a huge crutch.
Also, SWIM gets somewhat wired, after slight sedation, after taking hydrocodones.
As for SWIMS one real high of propylhexedrine... SWIM would say.. either the combo of after him having a sever headache and slight vomiting, taking a bunch of valium... it beat these. But SWIM didn't really 'explore' this yet, was one experience... many variables were and still are involved, so SWIM is kind off just leaving that aside for comparison for now.
Anyway, yeah. SWIM says it's much harder to get tired on adderal. Maybe SWIM shouldve stopped before, like, his last dose at 1amish. Oi vey...
He may need some tomorrow, but SWIM wants to keep this stuff for getting artwok done, because it is EXACTLY absolutely perfect for this sort of thing, for SWIM.
Aright well... more bong hits for swim? maybe another 5mg valium....
Damn SWIM has to get up in less hours than he can count on one hand. SWIM hates going into the one handed finger count for sleeptime.
OI.
Peace? Maybe? SWIM should just goddamn stay up all night, but I'm sure he would like put a very large dent in his very rare and valuable stash (which sould go towards 'good' things for SWIM. He DOES have ephedrine... it'll keep him up.. but after experimenting with these, SWIM will be angry at the lack of enjoyable effect (although ephedrine + valium is enjoyable.. SWIM just loves that valium).
*sigh* (still happy though:) that's key)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 09:55
swim would like to see some of swiy's portfolio sometime! probably some intense stuff, swiy notices on adderall he gets right down to perfecting the details of things he's working on. it makes for some great writing, at times. it diminishes his sense of humor somewhat, but he's able to execute some pretty large tasks...he feels like a general commanding things to get done! and they do!
hm, if swiy has to get up in a few hours maybe the long action of valium could be a bad idea. swim always has trouble waking up the day after taking even a little bit of benzos. but the bong hits wouldnt pose a problem...at the same time swim says not to use most of the stash of adderalls in one day which would rule out staying up all night.
hm, probably not too safe to mix adderall or mph and trams..just cuz of the ssri activity. it could have funny effects on the heart. theres some thread posted by hh339 where he did it and was alright, but swims not sure he'd want to do that combo.
EDIT: other ideas for potentiating methyphenidate and adderall: tums at the same time as ingestion...this increases the pH of the stomach which should assist in early absorption of the alkaloid drugs. vitamin E or quinine in tonic water...dont know for sure but think they would tie up an enzyme similar to what grapefruit juice would do. dxm...ties up a cytochrome p450 enzyme for opiates, wonder what itd do with these? best not to combine too much of either though. yep, the drug goblin just whispered these in swims ear...eeeegh egh? says he! and swim translated that into what swim just wrote. yep, swim is ridin the tram hard tonight! but he wished he had found some oxycontin or suboxone..oh well, theres always tomorrow =]
damn, SWIM just woke up from about 3 1/2 hours of sleep.
SWIM is gonna take 10mg and bring 2x 20m to work and try not to even take em (most likely a miracle), but will if needed. He really is trying to save them for his artwork, but today might be a must (tiiiiiired. well... at least SWIM should be, or will be at some point.)
Forthesevenlakes
11-08-2006, 19:28
hm, swim would say just take em, worry bout the artwork later...better than falling asleep while talking to the big big boss you know?
interesting. swim just did a search on 'potentiating methylphenidate' and came up with a source saying it potentiates opioid analgesia. swim says he will have to test that one out. also apparently its of use treating hiccups?! who knew??
Despite the 3 hours of sleep SWIM got, he was pretty damn peppy all day. He ended up taking the two he brought throughout the day, but decided to only use it at work if needed. Didn't really do much for him at work.
This substance really shines, for SWIM, when he's doing his personal work.
At work, SWIM said he feels it... but its not ultra enjoyable, and kind of seemed like a waste.
Anyway, SWIm is gonna hang out at home and "get a lot of work done"
Expect many many words from him. :)
Tonight, to get to work, SWIM insufflated 20mg while taking a bath.
An hourish later he took another 20mg.
Definately not as vibrant as the other times (tolerance, SWIM is betting).
SWIM is having fun, but isnt quite as motivated to accomplish things.
Definately not having a bad time. Maybe he should save the last 3x 20mg pills for a few days to lower his tolerance. Even though his brain is telling him to just take another 10mg. Comoooon, just do it, bud!
*SWIM gasps and starts looking under the rugs and behind shelves for his buddy forthesevenlakes*
Forthesevenlakes
12-08-2006, 05:29
haha just came out of the woodwork beneath d-f.
what become of the last 10 mg?
jmarsala
07-09-2006, 11:19
4the7lakes:
swim will have to keep the diazebong remedy in mind for the next time he gets a stimulant crash! swim hates coming down too, but stimulants are probably the worst...
SWIM would have to disagree. Oxycontin (80mg x 10 mostly insuff. some iv, SWIMS old amout) cold-turk and/or 3-4 gram a day black tar 30% though cold-turk would be more painfull then ameth or mph possibly even psudo or meth.
The only wd's swims experinced with long-lasting uppers in SWIMS opinion like meth etc. is that when you crash, you sleep for like 2-3 days wake up hungry but no stomach for food, thirsty, di-har-re-rah and very depressed. Nothing like XTCS sucide tuesday though.
SWIM personaly h8's xtc with a passion. SWIM cannot take the transsission. Always feels like he is going to die because SWIM always has to over due things to ensure a high. So SWIM takes 3 XTC 1 swallowed, 1 crushed and put under tougn then swallowed and 1 crushed and insuffed (insuff and xtc are not only in SWIMS personal experiance a waste of $10 bucks but does not work. SWIM thinks it tastes nasty despite whatever grade or quality XTC and SWIM cannot stand to later blow his nose and blue/red/purp/whatev come out) and since SWIM mastered controlling his gag reflex's to not barf when needed (habbit now :( ) its always all bad. SWIM has a huge panic attack, tries to induce vomit but like SWIM previously said he cannot. SWIM then gets fresh air and is talky talky.
SWIM is very MPH'ed out and is sorry for random OT's (off topics) SWIM just really really really hates XTC, SWIM hates most uppers but MPH is an exception though is tastes freakin nast.
SWIM Also wants to state A better combo then diazebong ... temazeblunt - SWIM finds restoril (tradename for temazepam) to be more rewarding. not only for its highly solible water and insuff. rate. It gets the job done very quick and is well absorbed in man. Temazepam has a half-life of about 8 to 10 hours in plasma which is good, less side effects and minor minor minor w/d's if taken every day for a year and stoped. considering you take it the same exact time every night.
Lastly SWIM also thinks (personally) bong loads are hard core but blunts are more gangsta. SWIM gets higher off bongs but nothing could beat the taste of a nice OPTIMO PEACH Blunt cut open and filled with some of our secksy cali green (IN SWIMS Opinion, does good with any in-door blueberry, or BC. SWIM Loves dank covered in white chrystals. BC (Brit Columbia imported is always lovely like that) or dank thats extremely resiny and tar'y like blueberry)
SWIM states that he only smokes when its beautiful dank. SWIM is not a pot-head but has a script. SWIM ONLY smokes when its high THC/crystals/hairs/resin. SWIM is not an ingreat moreso SWIM lives in CALI, has his club card and only smokes the illist dank calif has to offer.
matt_adhd
04-11-2006, 01:22
For SWIM potentiating in general is a no-no, Methylphenidate doesn't as SWIM is aware act on NDMA sites but the cytochrome P450* is probably involved so grapefruit juice may change the high, instead of potentiation, caffeine and tobacco can increase the stimulant experience well. SWIM SAYS THAT POTENTIATION OF DXM WITH MAGNESIUM SUPPLEMENTS IS DANGEROUS IF NOT FATAL AND SWIM STRONGLY RECOMMENDS THAT DXM USERS AVOID MAGNESIUM COMPOUNDS TOTALLY BEFORE DEXING AND EVEN WHEN CONTEMPLATING DXM USE, SWIM IS NOT BEING A PAIN HERE BUT IS TRYING TO SAVE SOME LIFES, SERIOUSLY AT LEAST MINIMALLY WAIT 48 HOURS AFTER TAKING ANY MAGNESIUM PRODUCTS BEFORE DOING DXM. Sorry for using capitals as SWIM knows how annoying it is, but SWIM feel this is a paramount statement that should not be taken lightly. competetive inhibition and potentiation is a tricky bussiness and SWIM thinks it is best avoided.
BTW, has anyone noted that L-Tyrosine can be a very uncomfortable combination with stimulants, maybe even potentially dangerous like 5-HTP + SSRI antidepressants? Dopamine/norepinephrine overload is possible, at minimum unpleasant and potentially causing symptoms like panic attacks, nausea, headache, muscle spasms, overheating, paranoia and other nasties. SWIM recommends extreme caution combining L-Tyrosine with any stimulant stronger than caffeine. By combining, he means using the two on the same day.
Lilysleeper
24-11-2006, 04:29
."april is the cruellest, AHHHH swiEzra Pound spilled the bong water!"
That is the funniest shit Ive read all day! Nice one!
SWIM is in agreement with jmarsala. High-dose opiate withdrawal (especially precipitated wd) is infinitely more painful that crashing from a stim run.
~lostgurl~
13-07-2007, 09:38
Well SWIM has read through this post and has a few ideas (grapefruit juice, tums) Does anyone have anything else to add to this list of things to potentiate ritalin? Also, what is a good small dose to take for study, not for euphoria (though that would be a bonus) SWIM wants to ration what she has to get as much done as she can.
Lehendakari
13-07-2007, 10:11
Well SWIM has read through this post and has a few ideas (grapefruit juice, tums) Does anyone have anything else to add to this list of things to potentiate ritalin? Also, what is a good small dose to take for study, not for euphoria (though that would be a bonus) SWIM wants to ration what she has to get as much done as she can.
What my rabbit does when doing methylphenidate (IR ritalin 10mg pills) is to let them disolve in water, they are readily soluble, he just shakes the solution and the lets the non water soluble material to sit at the bottom.
If the rabbit lets the solution dry (after removing insoluble material), the resulting powder is amazing, much more than snorting the whole pill. It's not really potentiating, its more of an extraction, but works for him.
If the rabbit drinks the water there is a much faster onset but effects are not different from ingesting the whole pill.
SWIM takes 20 mg of ritalin when studying, and then pops 10mg tablets as needed. SWIM tells me that the first dose is the most noticeable, the others are just to keep him awake and focused, so if euphoria is wanted, SWIM would take 40 mg as starting dose.
Note that nor my rabbit neither swim have used any stronger SDRI or any stronger upper. Hope this helps.
~lostgurl~
13-07-2007, 11:37
Thanks for the info, SWIM has 10 X 20mg Rubifen SR (methylphenidate HCL) It says on the pack "excipients q.s" not sure what that means. Would dissolving the pills SWIM has still work? If so how much water is required? What is the easiest way to remove the insoluble material? How long does it take to dry?
Also does anyone know how many tums to take and when to take them? Each chewable tablet contains 500mg calcium carbonate.... antacid.
Cheers
Lehendakari
13-07-2007, 15:34
SWIM has no experience with Rubifen SR (I assume it's an extended release formula) but he has tried Rubifen 20 mg tablets IR which are basically the same as the novartis brand although for SWIM Rubifen is harder in side effects and not too much of euphoria. He definitely likes ritalin better.
The term "q.s." means adding a quantity sufficient to achieve stated function, e.g., to bring a solution to the desired volume (i.e., 100%).
Rubifen tablets containing 20 mg methylphenidate HCl weight about 30-35 mg (my scale isn't very good)
I guess that making a fine powder would release MPH from the coating element but don't know.
~lostgurl~
15-07-2007, 22:41
SWIM tried potentiating methylphenidate by drinking 1 glass of grapefruit juice half an hour before injesting 2 X 20mg Rubifen SR pills, but the effect seemed weaker than her dose the day before of 60mg Rubifen SR. SWIM will give it another go but from this one experience she would say that grapefruit juice does not potentiate methylphenidate, though she is not sure if it has anything to do with her pills being 'slow release'.
geophagus
15-07-2007, 22:50
SWIM tried potentiating methylphenidate by drinking 1 glass of grapfruit juice half an hour before injesting 2 X 20mg Rubifen SR pills, but the effect seemed weaker than her dose the day before of 60mg Rubifen SR. SWIM will give it another go but from this one experience she would say that grapefruit juice does not potentiate methylphenidate, though she is not sure if it has anything to do with her pills being 'slow release'.
It has nothing to do with your pills being 'slow release,' however, it very likely does have to do with the citric acid in the grapefruit juice that SWIY consumed.
It's best to avoid most high acid foods for best results concerning absorption and normal elimination of methylphenidate. To potentiate methylphenydate it would be advised (in addition to avoiding acid rich foods) to comsume sodium bicarbonate, and if that's not an option then calcium carbonate would be SWIM's next choice.
SWIM likes 20mg Ritalin on an empty stomach for a nice peaceful alertness.
dukewizard1986
31-10-2007, 09:07
SWIM said that L-tyrosine is converted in the brain to l-dopa then to dopamine. This increases dopamine availability/release and will surely potentiate the effects of any substance that releases or recycles dopamine. Also SWIM mentioned that l-phenylanine which is a precursor to l-tyrosine is also converted to dopamine and *phenethylamine (the body's natural speed among other things).
dukewizard1986
31-10-2007, 09:11
SWIM also mentioned that their are certain vitamins that assist in the conversion of l-tyrosine to dopamine. SWIM mentions Vitamin B-6. Toss this in with the l-tyrosine and or l-phenylanine and the speed will reach its full potential.
highganja99
20-11-2007, 00:23
SWIM tried using Sodium Bicarbonate to potentiate Ritalin, He mixed at least several tablepoons of Sodium Bicarbonate in a pint of water and drank it, an hour later he snorted 20mg ritalin and had a stronger effect than normal, the next day he repeated making the drink and took 20mg oral and it had a stronger effect than normal, although this method worked it is not recommended due to the amount of Sodium Bicarbonate that is ingested.