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SWIM needs to get to the bottom of this. He's read many threads, and came upon the conclusion that you shouldn't crush it to snort, but it MAY be a good idea to crush and dissolve in water? One should cut the brown part off, then can be crushed and snorted, all sorts of different answers.
Will someone please tell SWIM the best way to get off on these. He is gettin two 36mg(I think they are) pills and doesn't want to waste them.
Also, SWIM enjoys taking 10-20mg Ritalins... so what would SWIM do to achieve the same/similar or even longer acting buzz? Would popping both of them be worthwhile?(<
Should he try and crush the goods and dissolve them in a drink?
Should he extract the goods (haven't seen any extraction threads... although SWIM didn't really search for that yet)?
Help point SWIM in the right direction. THANK YOU!:D
markdahman
02-08-2006, 23:02
Definitly crush n do something.... Swallowing a whole pill could have a time release coating wich would stop it from giving this SWIM guy any effects! :D
Metternich
03-08-2006, 02:47
Swim's experience is that parachuting them is the most effective. Taken orally the effects are softened a little but they last longer. It also takes a longer to take effect. Yesterday Swim had a small lunch and an hour later took 36mg, it took about an hour and a half to kick in. If Swiy wants to dissolve them in a drink Swiy should get something strong flavored, because concerta is nasty tasting. And grind that shit up good lest it gets stuck to Swiy's teeth.
Swim would not recommend that you do both at once, unless you're a user of high doses. 36mg gives Swim a good time.
Arighty. SWIM actually got 3x 36mg. You're saying if SWIM wants a good time he should crush it up as best he can and parachute it?
SWIM said he felt as though 10mg (insufflated) of ritalin was just as good (the 'crash' wasn't as bad... but thats not much of an issue, as SWIM has plenty of Diazepam) as 20mg (10mg oral 10mg insufflated). Will 36mg of parachuted concerta feel like 36mg of ritalin? Should it last longer?
SWIM will parachute one most likely and wait a while.
He has a big work day tomorrow and will need the energy for a good 12 hours. Spacing the 3 out... would this fill the 12 hours needed? He also has ephedrine and valium... so he SHOULD be good on the energy and crash/anxiety any bad feelings.
SWIM is mainly concerned about his dosage and duration.
Thanks for the tips, though!
Forthesevenlakes
03-08-2006, 05:50
swim tells me he never felt concerta when it was just swallowed! however he always felt there was something about the pills (cant remember what) that wouldnt lead them to being a very pleasant snort. he says that parachuting would be the best bet! 36 mg of concerta should be equivalent to 36 mg of ritalin, since presumably the time release would be destroyed by crushing it. also because of this, it shouldnt last any longer than normal ritalin!
a quick search on concerta reveals that in the facts about the drug (http://pediatrics.about.com/od/adhdmedications/p/05_concerta.htm), it cannot be "opened, chewed or crushed like other ADD medications" to split up doses...implying that if swiy crushes it, the time release should be completely gone =]
what about all that mumbo jumbo about removing the brown layer, or the two outside layers?
Maybe SWIM should do half a 36 6 times throughout the day... go home and take a bunch of valium and smoke (depending how much he takes and everything. He doesn't want a horrible crash, and only did 20mg once, and 10mg another time. He's a bit weary of taking 3x 36mg of concerta.)
Maybe SWIM will take less. Ah he always makes a big fuss when trying a new drug... gotta be safe!
Forthesevenlakes
03-08-2006, 06:08
hm, swim is guessing the two outside layers may contain part or all of the time release. but it may be best not to risk losing any of the drug, and just parachute the outer layers too after crushing. crushing should take care of it all, right? but swiy is right to titrate the dose by spacing them apart, it should avoid the crash at the end and the 2 hour increments should let swiy judge if he needs anymore.
Yeah, SWIM will do a little test run in the morning and hold off untill lunch maybe. Just check out how it is and ride it out, maybe taking a valium once or twice. SWIM thinks it should turn out fine, he's well equipped :)
Metternich
03-08-2006, 06:24
Swiy should remove the first two layers, unless Swiy is in a hurry and doesn't care, it's a lot harder to mash up the pill though. the first layer has some ritalin in it, Swiy can keep the peel and parachute with it. the second layer is junk.
there isn't such a brown layer as there is a brown half. Its the useless mechanism, Swim uses pliers to pinch it off. what is left is the white/yellow bit, what Swiy wants. Swim suggests pressure rather than blunt force to break that bastard up.
Swiy would be better off with the reduced dosing. 108mgs is a lot for a day. If Swiy does one or two Swim thinks Swiy will be tired the day after, but still able to function.
Forthesevenlakes
03-08-2006, 12:06
Yeah, SWIM will do a little test run in the morning and hold off untill lunch maybe. Just check out how it is and ride it out, maybe taking a valium once or twice. SWIM thinks it should turn out fine, he's well equipped :)please post a report on this! inquiring swims want to know how it turns out!
Well, SWIM ended up taking 1 + 1/2 of his 3x 36mg Conertas.
Anyway, around 9 he scraped the coating+wax off, cut off the brown. Saved the coatings (He heard they may have goods in them). Anyway, he crushed the white/yellow part into a fine powder and took 1/3 in a little shot of water (eh... it stuck to the sides and was weird. Not recommended by SWIM. Also stuck to his teeth a bit).
Anyway, wasn't feeling all that much for a couple hours. He then parachuted the other 2/3. Still really wasn't feeling anything after 1-2-3 hours.
By not feeling anything, SWIM means something that is hard to explain. Very subtle, NO fatigue, slight mood lift. This, of course, could have just been a good day for SWIM. He figured he would feel more, due to his other reactions to 10mg and 20mg.
Anyway, he ended up taking the other half, parachuted, some hours later (SWIM is bad with time). Still not all THAT much. SWIM was enjoying himself, but wasn't really buzzing or anything.
Anyway, SWIM is going to NYC tomorrow.. he'll prolly end up taking a full one, or maybe half of the combined 1 1/2 twice. Maybe even take it all, he's unsure. He will enjoy himself either way, I'm sure.
Anyway, he'll probably be drinking as well (should he take less of a dose because of this? He hasn't really researched the combination yet).
Ah, well... expect another report :)
P.S. anyone else going to be in Warped Tour, NYC August 5th? SWIM said he was going and is real excited about NOFX + Anti Flag... some of the best shows he's seen.
Forthesevenlakes
04-08-2006, 08:28
swim says that when he combines stimulants with drinking, it usually takes far less for him to get drunk! (except coke, thats a different story). maybe start with a lower dose of the concerta or save it for another work day.
swim isnt going to warped in nyc, but he says nofx was hilarious when he saw them, and ended up drinking on thursday's bus =]
SWIM got a VERY nice buzz by eating concerta as it is, no tampering with them. 72-90 mg gave him the best stimulant high he ever had. Now he usually takes 90 mg every morning with no effects except for the ones intended by him and his doctor. In the beginning it was amazing though, but those amounts (or more) were necessary to get a good high. It's very individual though, but that is what worked for SWIM before he became used to them. Now SWIM would have to go well over those amounts to get that good of a buzz.
Forthesevenlakes
06-08-2006, 00:41
if swiy has tolerance to concerta from taking it every day, is it dangerous to up the doses even higher? swim would anticipate heart trouble from trying to get high off it if swiy already has a rather large tolerance. or does tolerance to the elevated heart rate occur too?
if swiy has tolerance to concerta from taking it every day, is it dangerous to up the doses even higher? swim would anticipate heart trouble from trying to get high off it if swiy already has a rather large tolerance. or does tolerance to the elevated heart rate occur too?
Good question, I really don't know. SWIM recently checked his pulse when on concerta and it was at 76 so that's pretty good. Blood pressure was good too. In the beginning at the same dose he had a higher pulse though (96 I think), so I think the answer to your tolerance-question would probably be yes, but don't hold me to it cuz I got no proof!
If you look on the pill on one side of the cylender there is a dimple on ther other there is nothing. that dimple is the laser drilled hole through which the medicen goes through plus ther is some fancy pill work having to do with an expanding chamber that pushes the medicen through the hole. but you would want to break open the concerta from the dimpled end. empty that chamber and toss the shell.
the pill is not designed like a regular pill you do not want to crush the whole thing it is very important that you empty them not crush them.
http://www.concerta.net/active/mccus/en_US/images/concerta/difference/chart_oros.jpg
thats the diagram that shows you how the pill works
ps 22% of the dose IS in the coating of the pill
so what about dropping a pill in a glass of water and let it all dissolve over 12 or so hours? Should all be in the water after that, no?
Forthesevenlakes
07-08-2006, 20:42
from what swim can tell most of it should be. the outer coating might not be soluble in water in which case you wouldnt get some of the concerta trapped in the coating, but at the very least youd get most of it from the inside!
oh god trust me its water soluable. but SWIY might want to put it in a mild acid because the laser drilled hole will only open in the stomach.
Ah, that makes sense. Think those lemon juice things in the plastic lemons would work (mixed with water)?
SWIM once boutght 10 36mg Concerta and tried almost anything to get high off them. The pills elaberate structure (http://www.adders.org/concertaa.gif)and anti-abuse binding materials make it really hard to snort. In SWIMs opinion just crush it up or chew it till its all broken in you mouth and drown it with some OJ or some thing.
In all personal truth and honesty, swallowing pharmaceutical speed is your best bet.
Umm...just cut them open. Discard the black part, consume the rest. The thin outer coating can be taken sublingually with good results. The inside good parts can be insufflated with good results. Yes, it is also water soluble, SWIMs friend dissolves the white and yellow inside parts from 18 mg capsules in purified water and shoots it up. This may not be very healthy though, but it does work so it is soluble in water.
SWIM usually insufflates some water a while after insufflating the methylphenidate, and it certainly does help the drug on its way in:)
The_Pseudoshaman
09-10-2006, 19:13
Umm...just cut them open. Discard the black part, consume the rest. The thin outer coating can be taken sublingually with good results. The inside good parts can be insufflated with good results. Yes, it is also water soluble, SWIMs friend dissolves the white and yellow inside parts from 18 mg capsules in purified water and shoots it up. This may not be very healthy though, but it does work so it is soluble in water.
SWIM usually insufflates some water a while after insufflating the methylphenidate, and it certainly does help the drug on its way in:)
Sounds good, SWIM usually uses a method very similar to that. They hold the pills under their tounge until the coating has dissolved, then using a pair of pliers, SWIM breaks off the dark part of the pill and discards it, leaving only the white and peach/pink part (depending on the amount of methylphenidate in the pill). SWIM then uses a very sharp utility blade to CAREFULLY peel away the second waxy coating that will not dissolve sublingually. Following this, SWIM stores the skinned chunks of methylphenidate in a baggie for later use, either via insufflation or parachuting, as they are easily crushed once the outer layer and waxy layer have been removed. SWIM has never triend injecting them, however, and doesn't plan on doing so or advise it to anyone else.
Since concerta is one of the weakest of pharmacy amps, anything other than swallowing it will make a procedure that will probably ruin the pills and every time you hold them oil and sweat you can't see is slowly but surely changing it's potency with the slightest brush across the pill with your finger that further causes contact with liquid combined with friction, or a hair that might get in your mouth. (which feels icky)