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Bodhisattva500
18-11-2004, 02:26
Just curious i recently bought some rush after watching fear and loathing and realizing amyls were legal.
I think it is extremely fun and so does everybody i know
im curious why nobody knows about it.Does anybody use it too?
Yeah man, I used to get scripts for it that was back in the 60's & 70's
It was some great shit, better than the stuff you buy now.Edited by: BA
Micklemouse
19-11-2004, 18:44
Amyl nitrate has to be one of the dirtiest substances around! It's used medically to treat some heart conditions and cyanide poisoning(cyanide constricts blood flow, and amyl is a vasodilator. Its also a muscle relaxant, making it much beloved of the gay community - think about it!)
It's quite a hardcore, if shortacting stimulant, making it popular on the club scene for intensifying E rushes. It increases the pulse and lowers blood pressure, making it a good drug to take if you want to knacker your heart in style(there have been a number of deaths. How this stuff is still legal is beyond me!). It also intensifies orgasm if timed right!
Amyl is one of those things that people either love or hate, and as you've probably gathered I'm not a fan! 30 seconds of purple followed by a splitting headache isn't my idea of a bargain, and it smells vile - it really pisses me off when people start sniffing it on the dancefloor, tantamount to spiking in my book, plus I get a headache just by being near the stuff! Mind you, I'm a heavy smoker, so in no position to judge! Each to their own...just use carefully and with respect!
Never got headaches from it.
BA
Micklemouse
19-11-2004, 23:43
You're lucky BA! Maybe it was cleaner back in the day, especially if it was on 'script - pharmaceutical grade generally being a lot cleaner than 'street' as a rule. I suppose it's also possible that U.S. amyl is cleaner than U.K. amyl...Amyl headache is very common this side of the pond.
Out of interest, and sorry if it's too personal, but what was it prescribed for?
Bodhisattva500
20-11-2004, 02:12
havent you seen fear and loathing? "This man has a bad heart. angina pectoris". Amyls are prescribed for angina pectoris which is a sharp pain in the heart. Rush used to be amyl nitrite that was sold with out prescripition. Then the chemical got outlawed for a few years and the companies stopped selling them but they just reintroduced rush. Only now its not amyl nitrite its butyl and isobutyl nitrite.Ive done prescription amyls and the smell is different plus they make me laugh just a little more.Rush and butyl nitrites have more of a solvent smell but the effects are almost identical. i think theyr a blast
isobutyl is supposedly stronger. poppers have got very popular in the last few years round my way. maybe cuz our generation got used to sniffing dirty solvents at school.... anyway i would recomend poppers to anyone who enjoys a quick, easy high. yes, its known as the drug for gay men but it can also be hugely benficial to hetorosexual sex aswell as providing a nice rush.
NOTE: Doctors are currently advising that poppers should not be taken with viagra as this can be extremely dangerous. Furthermore, furthermore people with blood pressure/heart problems or anaemia etc. should not take poppers.
Bodhisattva500
29-11-2004, 03:11
i think they are an interesting to way to break the ice with someone. After an intense laughing episode you feel closer to people
what about poppers?
Are legal?
Are safe?
asystole
23-02-2005, 04:15
Poppers are illegal to sell for human consumption, however if you buy "video head cleaner" that is an alkyl nitrite, it's legal in most if not all countries. There aren't too many health concerns assuming you are a healthy person, however they drop blood pressure and relax smooth muscles... if you are on certain meds or have hypotension then some issues could arise...
Lacognac69
23-02-2005, 07:13
hey are poppers the thing that they used in "fear and loathing in las vegas" while in the car driving. It certainly seems like thats what they were using unless it was just something like ammonia to wake you up if you pass out.
Hyperreal
25-02-2005, 15:44
Yep, it was amyl nitrate in Fear and Loathing
Poppers - usually butyl nitrate - are legal in most countries. I don't know about in Italy. Ask for them in a sex shop.
Poppers can't be considered a safe or clean drug. They're about the most neurotoxic drug out there and there's a danger of heart fibrillation.
speedqueen
26-02-2005, 13:51
http://www.allaboutpoppers.com/ All you could ever want to know about poppers and more!
As far as I know in the Uk it's only legal for sex shops to sell them , as room vapourisers.
Hey Hyperreal, Poppers are NEVER a alkyl nitrate. Period! Learn the difference between a nitrite and a nitrate. Also, do you mindexplaining what you mean by neurotoxic in your statement? In what way is a alkyl nitrite toxic to the nervous sytem?
poppers are amyl nitrate, poppers kills 100's thousands of brains cells, but they are pretty funny.
No, poppers are NOT a nitrAte they are always a nitrIte. Is it so fucking hard to see the difference betweeniand a?
enquirewithin
18-03-2005, 04:07
I have always thought that poppers were amyl nitrate as it says here. However,another source says that they are indeed part of a "class of compounds called the alkylnitrites.
There was even a UK punk rock singer called Amyl Nitrate! They are popular with the gay community, so I am told, as they relax your sphinctre.The inhalant hasa very short rush (like nitrous oxide) and can make you feel very sexually stimulated. The downside is that they give you an appalling headache!!!
Seems like you are probably both right!:laugh:Edited by: enquirewithin
enquirewithin
The first link you gave has got it wrong too. Non-chemists has always mixed the two classes of compounds up. Check any serious scientific source and you'll se that it has always been the nitrites of the lower alcohols that has been used as poppers.
enquirewithin
19-03-2005, 03:24
Funny, I'm no chemist... I have thought that it was amyl nitrate too for years, but maybe this is a common misconception?
Do you buy amyls in a drug store like a pharmacy or were? do u have to go to the counter or are they in the aisle btw I live in Canada if thats any difference
Bodhisattva500
28-03-2005, 07:37
order them online, search for rush poppers.
Can you tell me the name of a site all I can find are porn sites and have you ever bought them otc I find online a bit of a pain in the ass, funny I guess the poppers would help that hahaha
I've found some sites that sell poppers they are all sex toy sites btw, are these products effective for recreational use? also they advertise alkyl nitrite, ibsobutyl nitrite, amyl nitrite, propyl nitrite and cyclohexyl nitirite, which is the best?
I have made, and tried both isobutyl nitrite and isopropyl
nitrite. Isopropyl nitrite is easier and cheaper to make
(although it is dirt cheap if you make yourself) because isopropyl
alcohol is easier to find and dissolves in water. Isobutyl I
found gives a slower, longer lasting, deeper, darker, dirtyier, nastier
rush/buz. Isopropyl also only works about 3x in a night whereas
isobutyl works 3 to 10x, This not only means more enjoyment but
does not leave the job 1/2 done.
Isopropyl smells very solventy & sweet and isobutyl smells less
sweet and not as solventy. I have heard that isoamyl nitrite
smells more like old socks.
i have found it best to keep this stuff in the freezer. It also
pays to decant smaller amounts for a couple of days at a time.
This stuff is very simmilar to nitrous oxide in effect, durration and
how they work chemicaly in you body. Once you try sex on nitrous
you will never let a girlfriend (or boyfriend) waste a bottle of
whipcream by applying it on ones self. I have not tried but I
think that nitrous will work more times in one night. It seems to
have less of the dirty crazy feeling that isobutyl and isopropyl
nitrite make. It may be a better choice if this is with someone
new that you would still like to respect ten minutes later. (yes the
stuff and what happens can be crazy nasty)
Nitrites and Nitrous are (very) mutually synergystic with pot.
Even if you smoked pot in the morning and no longer feel its effects -
the poppers will be 2x as much fun. If your actually stoned it is
10x. This said I have never had a problem though because of
dosage changeing due to weed. It is strange - it takes the same
amount to work, it just feels better.
Do not lie down after though - try to sit up. Its very difficult
to do because when you cum it wipes you out (like it normaly does but
10x). If you lye down you get a throbing head and it kind of
hurts.
I would also recomend that since the rush only lasts a minute or two,
to ensure your with someone you trust or already have the condom
on.
I am courous if anyone out there has compared the effects of other
nitrites? I wonder what kind of poppers polyalcohols would
make?
PenguinPhreak
01-06-2005, 01:11
Any of the nitrites are going to have the same effect, but some are
stronger than others. While most sites selling poppers are sex sites
for reasons already covered, there are a lot of headshops that sell
them and even a few sites dedicated solely to poppers.
It may get knocked, but for me Amyl Nitrate (or isobutyl or whatever) is THE way to turn a good trip into the ultimate psychedelic experience. On their own poppers are cheap crap, but when you're already tripping they take you up to the next level and beyond. I've had more ++++'s(using Shulgin's terminology) from using Amyl than by any other method.
Most people know about these drugs but many don't find them to be all that interesting in the long run.
Nagognog2
15-06-2005, 13:17
First off it is NITRITE. Not nitrate. Please get this straight. You drive us chemists squirrely. Nitrite is R-NO2 and Nitrate is R-NO3. And yes, iso-pentyl nitrite (amyl nitrite) is used for angina as well as cyanide poisoning. I used to have a prescription for it when I was working with cyanides in my former lab.
One afternoon I was synthesizing some for amusement in the high school where I was attending, and teaching at. The fume-hood died and the iso-Pentyl Nitrite came pouring out into the classroom. I told the students, as I put on my respirator, that all those who wished to leave could do so. Out of 15 students, 3 left. I guess most people liked it. I personally get a headache from it.
Black Rune
27-07-2005, 13:48
From what I've heard, the O-N=O (nitrite) group is only a vehicle to
get the alkyl portion into the bloodstream, by making the one end
highly polar...not sure how much merit that theory has.
Butyl nitrite is stinky and nasty smelling, and it WILL knock you down!
Isopropyl nitrite is less heavy, but more fleeting.
Be sure when the nitrite is done being made, to wash carefully with saturated bicarb solution, or the acids will burn your nose.
Would a nitrite make a good leaving group....? Could one make phenethyl
nitrite and try to get PEA by reductive amination, a la @-CH2-CH2-O-N=O
+ 2RNH2 / HCOOH===> @-CH2-CH2-NHR, if that makes any sense at all.
Or possibly @-CH2-O-N=O + piperazine...
pabel_giboon
30-07-2005, 05:11
well, where I live and there`s no such VCR head cleaner. Yesterday I spent the day from one sex-shop to another looking for a popper and all I got was a mild hard-on from looking at the porn covers.
Synthesis of such thing seems to be somehow not for a beginner, am I right?
Answering black rune:
I would think so. I found the systhesis for isopropyl in
Rhodium. It was there as an alternative to using nitrites/nitrous
acid directly or using very volitile methyl or ethyl nitrites. I
read somewhere that nitrites of lower alc's will exchange groups with
longer ones, so it would seem that alkyl nitrites can behave like a
softer version of nitrous acid.
Ansering PG:
it is not to hard a synthisis. If your batch is small the worst
thing that can happen is you will have to run from a choking brown
cloud of nitric oxides. If you try scaling up your first batch to
a kg - you could end up the the fire department involved. SWIM
has heard of lower yield batches done by eyeballing the amounts but
this was done by someone who knew what the measured proportions looked
like. this still shows that you dont need to be ultra
precise. The other danger is the product itself - it is like
ether - keep it cool. stop mixing to let the ice bath catch
up. Add salt to the ice bath too (the melting ice will actually
create frost it gets so cold). And for many reasons do this
in a well ventilated area that you can abandon for a while if it gets
out of controll.
Also you will have to ask for the product by name in most countries as
it usually can not be sold for what most people actually do with
it. Ask for "heart-on", "leather cleaner", "room oderizer", or
even "that crap that smells like socks"., but dont ask for poppers
untill you have tried all other names. Expect to pay 10 to 15$
for 0.10$ worth of chemicals.
pabel_giboon
14-03-2006, 22:10
So, Nitrate, you say an hipotetical subject could mix up the cooking on a simple ice+salt bath by eyedropping and using stringles instead of separating funnels?
If you could pass on a recipe with the measured translated to eyedrops/spoons/etc it would be great for many dreamers.
Nagognog2
14-03-2006, 23:55
Bongo, my evil lab ape, fondly recalls a day in the lab/classroom at the high (very) school he attended. He also was a teacher of chemistry there. One day Bongo was making a batch of iso-pentylnitrite (amyl nitrite) in the lab section of the classroom as the other teacher conducted class. Turned out the fume hood was broken and working in reverse. Rather than venting the odoius fumes to the outside - it was blowing them back into the building.
The synthesis was a success. The entire class was rocking and weaving in their chairs. Bongo's fellow teacher was holding onto the countertop. He told the class that anyone who wished could leave the room. Bongo put on his gas mask and did what he could to mitigate the gas attack. Of 15 students, 3 left. The rest stayed put, muttering words such as "wow" and "shit."
The synthesis was iso-amyl alcohol, sodium nitrite, and hydrochloric acid.
The incident was never brought up at the faculty meeting.
JewishNazi
15-03-2006, 03:09
^ lol. Bongo is one funny ape.
The same procudure can be used to make nitroethane (ethyl nitrite) for the synthesis of nitropropenes. Or even nitromethane for nitrostyrenes
pabel_giboon
15-03-2006, 14:45
The most interestin info found by goggling is at wilkipedia:
Amyl Nitrite:
It is prepared by passing nitrous fumes (from starch and concentrated nitric acid) into warm isoamyl alcohol, or by distilling a mixture of 26 parts of potassium nitrite in 15 parts of water with 30 parts of isoamyl alcohol in 30 parts of sulfuric acid.
Butyl Nitrite is an Alkyl nitrite made from Butyl alcohol.
Isopropyl nitrite is an Alkyl nitrite made from isopropanol.
Ethyl nitrite is an Alkyl nitrite made from ethanol.
Isobutyl nitrite is an alkyl nitrite, an ester of isobutyl alcohol and nitrous acid.
-remember it must be washed with sodium bicarbonate before inhaling-
NITRITE, use teh edit and do not self incriminate, man. It would be a pitty if someone gets in trouble for such a silly thing.
pabel_giboon
16-03-2006, 23:05
A friend of mine told me once he tried doing the following:
first mixed 3cc isopropyl alcohol with 3cc sufuric acid, the mix turned deep caramel color.
then mixed 1 teaspoon of sodium mitrite and 1.5cc distilled water.
then putted the water+sodium nitrite in a flask in icebath and added teh sulfuric+isopropyl dropwise.
What hapened? a dark caramel cloud emerged from the mixup and left a horrible smell in this guy house. un the flask, a foamy yellow liquid remained, not looking at all like what he was dreaming of.
What could have went wrong with this guy, ha?
Nagognog2
17-03-2006, 02:38
For one thing, he formed some very hot nitrous acid - and a cloud of nitrogen tetroxide. Yuck! Lucky he was playing with a small quantity. Otherwise it would have peeled off all the wallpaper in his house, and killed him as dead as a Soviet Cosmonaut.
pabel_giboon
17-03-2006, 16:34
yes, of course. anyway it has been done in an oppened place. and my friend was running 5 metres, taking a deep breath, comming back to the cooking while holding his breath, and so on.
Akewstick
02-08-2006, 15:36
Butyl nitrates don't seem to be widely documented on the internet, possibly because they're a bit shit, but they're readily available if you're in the UK and there's a headshop or sex shop in your town or city.
Poppers were one of the first drugs SWIM ever tried, after alcohol, salvia and weed, and back in the days when he wasn't experienced at hard illegal drugs, poppers were awesome!
There was a time where as a 17 year old, SWIM would meet up with his friends in his living room and with a group of 3-5 friends, get through 15 ml in a day quite easily, just passing the bottle around and giggling stupidly at nothing. Weeks if not months went by like this, and if he went more than half a day without poppers, he'd think of little else, if it hadn't been the softest, cheapest and least-regarded drug in the world, people would have called it an addiction.
Despite it's availability, and the fact that it's clean safe fun at a very low price, SWIM has encountered very few people that use it, but then SWIM dosen't know a lot of gay men, or people with little to no sense of self-image.
Poppers by themselves are in a word, shit. I don't deny this, but on a night whhere SWIM has done in excess of 5 E pills, and smoked a lot of weed, and the loud nightlife is over, and you and 3 friends are in someone's living room talking about religion by the light coming in from another room and listening to music, but the E is still going strong, there is nothing better than a bottle of poppers. They intensify that bizarre psychedelic high you get from too much ecstacy and large amounts of dope.
The other thing poppers intesify is DXM, SWIM has got some great effects from DXM, but has never heard of anyone ever getting an experience equal to a K Hole, SWIM has however experienced ketamine, and it is equal to 550mgs of Dex with a few drags of Butyl Nitrate.
Back when SWIM would go on speed binges, and he'd run out of money and logic, he'd been awake for 4 days and he would have given his right arm for a nother hour of a buzz, poppers brought the speed back as strong as it's highest peak, and he'd rip through gallons of it until his nose was raw, and it was worth every drop.
Poppers goes great with ketamine, alcohol, dex, coke, speed, E, weed, and salvia with poppers is out of this world, in fact SWIM and his friends say that there is no combination of anything in the world that isn't just that little bit better with poppers. SWIM thinks poppers are a wonderful augmentation to anything in the world, he's inhaled 100s of 1000s of breaths of poppers, and dosen't think of them as a drug, but an essential part of all other drug experiences.
Does anyone else do poppers or rely on them as much as SWIM?
If not, why not?
Nagognog2
02-08-2006, 15:51
Umm...because they suck?
Most people try them a few times, and then abandon the ship. My lab ape - Bongo - made a big bottle of amyl nitrite once, It was passed around to about 30 people. After the second or third ride, no one had any interest again. Including Bongo.
I can only conclude that your monkey, SWIM, might be the 31st. Fare thee well, Mr. Chimps. Beware of mixing it with other things that stimulate cardiac output. Nitrites (nitrates) mixed with such as Viagra can kill you. Read up on this before you proceed, please?
fishinabottle
02-08-2006, 17:41
For the whole gay scene is taking poppers in insane amounts mixed with either speed or Viagra, or both, and the dark rooms of the clubs are not covered with corpses I believe the stuff is not overly dangerous.
My tomcat takes it sometimes with psychodelics to lessen the bodyload/counter the vasoconstriction a bit. Provides some nice effects on the peak of acid too.
My tomcats favorite cat likes it for sex, but the tomcat himself not so much as on a interesting dose Poppers tend to interfere with the bloodpressure in essential bodyparts of him. Not the brain, the other one.
Poppers can be a dash of cream on the cake, but as stand alone drug? Naa. Not really.
Isobutylnitrite is better. Not so harsh like amylnitrite, doesn´t decompose so easily and doesn´t stink like old socks but has a more pleasant smell.
Nitrites (nitrates) mixed with such as Viagra can kill you. Read up on this before you proceed, please?
Please back this up with references. I have read and learned that poppers are dangerous and do much harm, but I never stumbled upon evidence.
Akewstick
17-08-2006, 01:16
Yeah aminorex, there are deffinately some psychedelic aspects to it, and SWIM can see where you're coming from with not liking it. There was a time when SWIM used to smoke a load of bud and hit the poppers, and it would do nothing but sober him up, and after 10 minutes of lethargy, he'd white out and throw up.
Poppers can be unpleasant, but in SWIM's experience, if you're forced to do them by social situations, and lack of availability of decent drugs, you can learn to love them, and SWIM is glad he did, because he really does love them.
old hippie 56
18-08-2006, 02:22
Back in the day of swim experiences with poppers, they were mostly used on fighting roosters at legal cockfights in LA. Gave them the extra boost to win the fight.
geezaman
18-08-2006, 18:48
SWIM stayed away from poppers for three years after watching one of the Hannibal lecter films but when he did them they were good and he still retains most of his face. back in the day SWIM would sit with friends and just do poppers and it was good and enjoyable for closed eye oddities, but by ones self it was a but shit often making swim feel sick rather than anything else. due to this SWIM thinks surroundings could be a potentiator for poppers. Like awestick SWIM has found that poppers in a similar (but also very very different way) can be as SWIM thinks someone else said "the icing on the cake" when used with other drugs. SWIM has never tryed amyl nitrates not from choice but where he shops only sells butyl nitrates, maybe a SWIM or SWIY in favor of poppers should acquire both and do a straight out comparison, to discover their differences. SWIM will pursue this in the near future if no one else does. Admittedly there is a stigma surrounding poppers usually the mention of them bringing up thoughts of desperate 13yo's glue sniffing etc. but even with this in mind SWIM believes they can be both enjoyable and intersting
WrtngCocaineTutorial
19-08-2006, 13:08
Please back this up with references. I have read and learned that poppers are dangerous and do much harm, but I never stumbled upon evidence.
i've posted about not mixing in the poppers sub-forum
you hear about old people with heart problems who die from viagra, that's because of their medicine which is nitrates,
if used recreationally it's much higher doses than heart patients, and also much higher risk
http://www.drugs.com/cons/viagra_systemic.html
look at
Before Using This Medicine
- Other medicines
Nitrates
DOes anybody actually know that poppers are a drug used by gay men to expand the muscles in the ass to allow for easier penetration?
jesusfreak666er
20-08-2006, 02:30
...no...really...never heard that before... That was oviously sarcastic, but there have been non homosexual uses of poppers as well, swim has never used em... doesnt sound that fun, most people give them negative reports but maybe someday swim will use to top off a pyschadelic experiance...
Now now, no need for sarcasm.
dnb warrior
21-08-2006, 03:00
Poppers can be unpleasant, but in SWIM's experience, if you're forced to do them by social situations, and lack of availability of decent drugs, you can learn to love them, and SWIM is glad he did, because he really does love them.
yeh... SWIM too...:D
on their own they can be a laugh, but mixed with E or speed they are awesome, sometimes just 1 hit of poppers massively intensifies the high from E, SWIM has spent many hours like you described sat in a room with friends after taking loads of Es, doing nothing but sniffing hit after hit of poppers, sometimes with 2 bottles 1 for each nostril :eek:, and laughing his tits off. also they go amazingly well with music, the music feels like SWIM's own heart beating after a strong hit, and nothing makes SWIM wanna dance more than poppers!
ok there are much better drugs out there but they are easily available and cheap, very much the icing on the cake of a good party!
fishinabottle
23-08-2006, 22:20
DOes anybody actually know that poppers are a drug used by gay men to expand the muscles in the ass to allow for easier penetration?
Sure. Poppers relax muscles including the sphincter. This works not only for gay men but also for women. Might come handy if one is well endowed and anal intercourse is painful for the girl.
But if you are afraid that huffing poppers will make you gay: Yes it will. For anybody who is afraid that he might mysteriously turn gay is a latent homosexual anyways. And poppers will help to relax your sphincter.
And AGAIN: Nitrates and nitrites are fucking not the same, damn it! So skip all these remarks about nitrates as they don´t apply to poppers which are nitrites.
Akewstick
24-08-2006, 00:32
But if you are afraid that huffing poppers will make you gay: Yes it will. For anybody who is afraid that he might mysteriously turn gay is a latent homosexual anyways.
Yeah, because people who are scared of the dark actually do get engulfed by mysterious things, never to return, millions of people dissappear all over the world because they're afraid of the dark.
I hate this view that a man can't be scared of being gay without having some horrible repressed thoughts. Being scared of being gay has nothing (necessarily) to do with your sexuality, being gay is pretty fucking scary.
enquirewithin
24-08-2006, 14:38
With butyl nitrites, a little is enough and good fun, whatever your sexual preferences
Butyl nitrites are in bottles of room odoriser and in poppers, I believe.
A lot gives you a headache and makes your heart race in an unpleasant way (maybe it will turn you into a Boy George lookalike too!)
A lot gives you a headache and makes your heart race in an unpleasant way
That is the only effect SWIM has ever achieved from Poopers; the feeling that the head is full of Blood and will explode. Therefore he can not imagine that the effect will be any different in comination with other substances. SWIM has no Idea what all these giggling reports are on about..
Akewstick
24-08-2006, 17:15
In SWIM's experience, poppers go best with E+Weed. XTC and pot are psychedelic when you put them together, but not in a conventional way, it's just... fucking weird. Poppers aren't very strong, but if they're anything, it's fucking weird. SWIM thinks that for this reason, the two of them create some excellent visuals, but moreso than that, create the best "what the FUCK is going on!?!?!?" feelings he's ever expereinced, moreso even than ketamine and Benadryl.
geezaman
24-08-2006, 20:56
although there are risks with mixing E and poppers rupert, the euphoria of the E makes it a happy pleasant experience. SWIM has if he has try-ed really hard been able to for short whiles concentrate through and strip e of its euphoria to concentrate on the hallucination effects e gives. without the euphoria for these times the hallucinations are not particularly nice. of course with the euphoria they are bliss.
SWIMs suggestion do poppers with something that makes you happy giggly or euphoric.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
16-10-2006, 20:06
i've posted about not mixing in the poppers sub-forum
you hear about old people with heart problems who die from viagra, that's because of their medicine which is nitrates,
if used recreationally it's much higher doses than heart patients, and also much higher risk
http://www.drugs.com/cons/viagra_systemic.html
look at
Before Using This Medicine
- Other medicines
Nitrates
I see that on drugs.com they warn about nitrates + ED medication (viagra, levitra++) but does anyone know how big a chnce there is for getting problems when mixing? Does SWIY know anyone who has mixed as is OK?
SWIM tried amyl nitrite (the 'real' poppers) back in the day. He's still intent on trying butyl/alkyl nitrite one of these times, particularly as it's a vasodilator and could conceivably help temporarily with erectile problems while on coke, speed, etc. Sort of like a 5-minute Viagra (helluva lot less expensive tho). Not sure the odor & general side effects would be tolerable, but it's amazing sometimes what enhances what.
enquirewithin
20-10-2006, 12:40
It doesn't really act like viagra. It does not necessarily help you get an erection IMO. It can give you a very horny feeling. The key is that a little is enough, unless you want a thumping headache.
Nagognog2
20-10-2006, 14:35
Amyl Nitrite was/is popular among gay males as it's said to relax the sphincter muscle and induce an orgasm for both parties during anal-intercourse.
I guess one could call it: Anal Nitrite.
SWIM had done poppers on very few occasions, parties etc.
The buzz is nice after 1 or 2 hits but after that SWIM just doesn't bother. But sometimes when inhaled while on xtc or acid it has given SWIM a nice buzz
swim did not know which forum to post this but this one seemed as good as any. swim recently obtained a bottle of amyl nitrite. he does done his own research but cannot come up with much. it is hard for him to believe that he isn't killing brain cells by the truckload everytime he inhales those fumes. does anyone know more about this subject than swim? is swim frying his brain or is there any other side effects he should know about?
FrankenChrist
09-01-2007, 23:57
Eh, it's not that special. You'll be fine in a minute.
geezaman
11-01-2007, 12:14
out of interest does SWIY mean amyl or butyl nitrites? Butyl nitrates are readily available as aromas etc but amyl nitrites seem alot harder to find? asking because their effects are supposedly slightly different
FrankenChrist
11-01-2007, 13:37
Swim was talking about butyl. OP was talking about amyl.
Psych0naut
11-01-2007, 15:09
The feelings are produced by the large dilation of the blood vessels, which cause a sudden drop in blood pressure, this doesn't kill braincells.
It can be dangerous for someone with a weak heart, or with other medical problems, but the effects aren't caused by oxygen deprivation and massive brain damage like volatile solvent, and poppers aren't harmful, except for people with medical problems, as already mentioned.
Nagognog2
16-01-2007, 06:11
Amyl Nitrite - Yes NITRITE. Not ate - it's ITE. NO2 rather than NO3 if you know your chemistry. It is a clear, volatile, yellow liquid with an unpleasant odor. Highly flammable. It's used medically for angina pectoris, which is a heart condition characterized by severe chest pain. More commonly Nitroglycerin ( yes - nitroglycerin is the same thing as found in dynamite) is prescribed for this condition. Amyl Nitrite is a powerful vasodilator that causes a rapid expansion of blood-vessels. This alleviates the pain of angina, and causes the 'rush' associated with amyl nitrite inhalation.
Used in large amounts, it can cause headaches and screw up blood chemistry. These effects are transient, however, and recede after exposure is stopped. Amyl Nitrite is also used to reverse cyanide poisoning. It does this by replacing the cyanide that has bonded to the hemoglobin in blood, and formed cyanoglobin, and turns the complex into methemoglobin (sp?). Anyway - it allows oxygen transport to be restored by the bloodstream.
A product that was sold under the name RUSH, and others, was sort of popular some time back. It consisted of butyl nitrite, which has similar effect. And it smells even more like old sweat socks. Blech!
In the Last Analysis: It's considered a shit-drug generally used a few times and abandoned for want of something more amusing. Like poking one's self in the eye with a pencil.
geezaman
16-01-2007, 12:40
SWIM still finds the use of butyl nitrites enjoyable, but admittedly these occasions are when other drugs are also in SWIMs system. Where SWIM is they live up to their expectations a cheap easily available add on to other highs.
Then again SWIM supposes nags pencil is also cheap and easily available, or at last a similar also suitable pencil could be acquired easily for little cost:p
nagognog2>yes - nitroglycerin is the same thing as found in dynamite
Yes and better too in swims opinion!
SWIM dosnt find Poppers to be that special for just pure day to day rec use, however can make an orgasm seem real long and intense.. be aware though if SWIM dont get his timing right SWIM could end up with Shrinky dick syndrome. NOT gooD!
Poppers and yohimbe could be an almighty combination !!! however SWIM thinks this could be extremely dangerous
A product that was sold under the name RUSH, and others, was sort of popular some time back. It consisted of butyl nitrite, which has similar effect. And it smells even more like old sweat socks. Blech!
These are rotten chems. Usually u have the dilute 1 part of X.nitrite with 1/4 it's original alcohol to extend storing.
If you store it pure in a bottle containing the smallest bit of oxygen, without adding alcohol, it will decompose and smell REALLY BAD.
Nagognog2
10-02-2007, 00:22
Bongo was presbribed iso-Amyl Nitrite by his doctor when he was using cyanide in his labs. He utimately broke the sealed-glass ampules that were in his icebox. It still smelled awful! He also synthesized iso-amyl nitrite for shits & giggles. It smelled the same. Ack!
Don't know what your chimp was up to exactly. But I'll say this: You can put a dress on a pig and take it dancing. But it's still a pig.
JapanHorrorUncut
12-02-2007, 04:41
SWIY has tryed poppers a couple times. Head didn't unless it was over done. Was wondering if any brand name that is "better" ie more effective?
My experience / views:
- Poppers are dangerous (short term). If you drink them, spill a large bottle (how do you clean this corrosive stuff up when it evaporates instantly), try pouring it through a funnel that is heated by your hand (stange none comes out? I feel funny?) All is expecially true with the more volitile Isopropyl varient. it is not fun to look in the mirror and see that your lips and fingernail quicks are blue/grey!
- Poppers are dangerous (long term). Although not addictive in the sense that the headache keeps you off long binges, many people get to a point where they can't (or won't) masterbate or have sex without it.
- Poppers are dangerous (Darwin strikes again) Trying to get off inside some stranger's axx durring the frenzied 60 second high may not be the best thing for your long term health.
- Nitrites are generally yellow. however, like most yellow things, it is likely impurities that give it that colour but even commercial grade crap is atleast pale yellow. If your's it not yellow it is more likely because it is mostly the mother alcohol. In other words it has more to do with low quaility than high. With Isopropyl this can be fixed with a wash with some water, weak baking soda or salt solution.
- If you want to make quality stuff wash with a bit of water, then baking soda solution, then water again. this will remove that brown gas (that destroys your lungs) and any acid. Bake some epsom salts in the oven until they stop bubbleing, allow to cool then put in a jar (before they absorbe H2O from air). drop a chip of this stuff in the bottle and pour off an hour later to remove any traces of water. The stuff that has water in it or epsom salts you can use immediatly and the rest stored in the freezer.
- if you dont have a sepertory funnel you can place in the freezer and pour off the goods wonce the watery portion has frozen
- the more it smells like zombie vomit the less it works and bigger headache it will give you to some degree
- Take some vitamine B12 pills, this seems to help with the recovery. Drinks with caffine and/or taurine seem to help too. Since your arteries in your brain have just ballooned out and stretched, some vasoconstricion might feel better. Infact the after headache is allot like a caffine withdraw crainum squeeze.
- The brown gas is infact the anahydride of the acid that reacts with the alcohol reacting with air. Any attempt to vent this will reduce yeild. that said once it leaves your reaction vessel, you don't want it!. Not only is it toxic, it destroys paint, plants, rubber, lungs, turns skin yellow, etc. so keep a lid on but do it in a well ventilated area. Also, your product is allot like ether so keep in mind what would happen if you should spill your product!
Rio Fantastic
01-07-2007, 15:06
Swim loves poppers. I think the headaches really vary from person to person, since Swim never got any, but did get a really great, cheap head rush. Isobutyl nitrite, Swim finds, is the best variety, but Swim has never tried Amyl Nitrite due to there illegality in the UK. Swim can take them all day on there own, the head rush is awesome. Swim loves it when you have a big dose and your heartbeat is really loud and you have this awesome feeling in your head and everything is bright...it's incredible.
HoldYourColour
11-07-2007, 12:00
SWIM got 2 free dominoes pizzas once due to poppers.
Swim and a mate, sat around, just waiting for the evening to begin, pizza delivery arrives. Pizza boy asks what SWIM is sniffing.
Poppers says swim. "Want a go?"
"Yeah fkit says Pizza boy"
His eyes sparkle, and he sways as he took a double nostril of it.
"Woah...got any smokes" says PB
"Yeah dude!" says swim and hands him a ciggy.
He then stumbled to the door and swim never saw him again. He left the pizzas on the side, took no cash.
happy days,
swim and his mate still chuckle about that.
Swim saw a guy at Antiworld last weekend who was just rinsing poppers all night, swim finds any thing more than a couple of goes is headache inducing, but its a good little rush if on something else, but swim prefers Nitrous Oxide for his rush inducing extras
I see that on drugs.com they warn about nitrates + ED medication (viagra, levitra++) but does anyone know how big a chnce there is for getting problems when mixing? Does SWIY know anyone who has mixed as is OK?
Overriding the ED-meds manufacturers' warnings, WhatsHisName, who isn't one to leave out anything he can lay his hand on :crazy , has mixed viagra and cialis with poppers (isopenthyl nitrite) - obviously without fatal effect, or else he most likely wouldn't be writing this. Naturally, WHN indulged in this combination cautiously at first by throttling the hits of poppers. But then, as he uses both for the purpose of enhancing his sexual pleasures, as well as other gifts leading to revelations :thumbsup: , and has no intention of giving them up, he thought of a different way of administering poppers in the hope, maybe naïve, of at least reducing the lurking risk.
Intercepting here for a moment, meanwhile WHN has switched to coverject, because it does not carry this warning about the combined use with poppers. If you freak out when you see a needle, you should abstain from coverject, for it requires injecting into the root of your penis. So get kinky or leave it.
Those SWIMs, who do enjoy using poppers, irrespective of the application of ED-meds, might like to learn about WHN's effective way of sniffing poppers. Although, the wisdom of decanting minimal amounts of poppers into wide-neck screw top bottles, filled with cotton wool or white paper kitchen towel, has been handed down to him long ago by an old fox in the gay leather and BDSM scene and is practiced by only a very few, WHN's way differs from the hitherto 'accepted standard'.
There are a number of reasons why the use of wide-neck bottles have an advantage over the vials (phials) in which most brands of poppers, such as rush, jungle juice or locker-room aroma, are available. These bottles provide the benefit of not having to juggle around with liquid poppers. They eliminate needing to close one nostril while keeping the other one open for inhalation. An opened wide-neck bottle allows placing it upside down over both nostrils without having to raise one's head when, e.g., in a horizontal position on one's back. There is no more spillage, the very cause of annoying and distracting 'burns'. Just make sure drain off any surplus liquid.
Best results are achieved by briefly, but powerfully, exhaling once through both nostrils into the bottle and then take a deep drag. This will not only produce a proper airflow to transport the gaseous poppers up into your nose but it will also carry it, non-medically speaking, deeper into your system. The potential of the poppers-oxygen mix should not be underestimated. Oxygen, in fact, raises the efficacy of poppers, which means you need to use less of it. Furthermore, once you have taken a hit, take a few deep breaths without poppers to enhance its effect – the results are instant.
If you want to stay on poppers for a somewhat extended time, place the wide-neck bottle at a right angle to your slightly opened mouth, barely separating your lips, and inhale in such a fashion so as to draw plenty of oxygen into the bottle first and before inhaling the poppers-oxygen mix. This works on the same principle as a mouth atomizer or a paint spray gun, except that no liquid is involved.
Wide-neck bottles need topping up periodically as poppers decays faster when exposed to the air. Be sure to use bottles with plastic screw tops (spice jars) instead of metal tops; any brand of poppers will corrode metal and may produce additional harmful fumes. The good stuff is bad enough for anyone's lungs. ;)
Nagognog2
22-07-2007, 18:11
Good. I hate Domino's.
SWIM thinks poppers are absolute shite. In SWIMs younger years they always seemed to crop up at parties and festivals (likely due to availability) and for some inane reason SWIM would always cane them with the best of them only to end up thinking 'why the hell did I do that??' when the headache set in. Fortunately SWIM hasn't seen a bottle for a while. Funny stuff to use, ONCE.
SWIM thinks poppers are absolute shite. In SWIMs younger years they always seemed to crop up at parties and festivals (likely due to availability) and for some inane reason SWIM would always cane them with the best of them only to end up thinking 'why the hell did I do that??' when the headache set in. Fortunately SWIM hasn't seen a bottle for a while. Funny stuff to use, ONCE.
Whether poppers or other substances, their mindful use in considered doses to a particular end, like maybe enhancing sexual encounters or another activity, has always struck WHN as essential to have a good time. If used aimlessly, just for the fun of it without a purpose in mind, the outcome may well be as described in above quote. Quite right for a SWIM to ask “why the hell did I do that?”
As for the headaches, WHN doesn't get them on pharmaceutical grade poppers (amyl nitrite, isopenthyl nitrite), which don't seem to contain severe headache-causing agents. WHN considers so-called street poppers aggressive cleaners for chemical tankers. No, thanks. :thumbsdown:
Whether poppers or other substances, their mindful use in considered doses to a particular end, like maybe enhancing sexual encounters or another activity, has always struck WHN as essential to have a good time. If used aimlessly, just for the fun of it without a purpose in mind, the outcome may well be as described in above quote. Quite right for a SWIM to ask “why the hell did I do that?”
As for the headaches, WHN doesn't get them on pharmaceutical grade poppers (amyl nitrite, isopenthyl nitrite), which don't seem to contain severe headache-causing agents. WHN considers so-called street poppers aggressive cleaners for chemical tankers. No, thanks. :thumbsdown:
Fair enough, but SWIM couldn't help but slate them after seeing the thread as it brought back bad memories (and promptly turned him into a kid again a la the rant). tis true they were probably not of the best quality and SWIMs subjective opinion of them is low as they were undoubtedly overused in a short period of time with a disregard for purpose of use. SWIM appreciates the opinions of SWIYs who enjoy their use of that particular family of chemicals.
Fair enough, but SWIM couldn't help but slate them after seeing the thread as it brought back bad memories. tis true they were probably not of the best quality and SWIMs subjective opinion of them is low as they were undoubtedly overused in a short period of time with a disregard for purpose of use. SWIM appreciates the opinions of SWIYs who enjoy their use of that particular family of chemicals.
Gad to learn that SWIY isn't put out by what WHN wrote. WHN appreciates SWIY's response. :vibes:
Swim was introduced to amyl a few months ago after hearing about its wonderous effects whilst on pills, and started using it on a fairly regular basis. Was later told that amyl actually creates holes in your brain?
The brown gas is infact the anahydride of the acid that reacts with the alcohol reacting with air. Any attempt to vent this will reduce yeild. that said once it leaves your reaction vessel, you don't want it!. Not only is it toxic, it destroys paint, plants, rubber, lungs, turns skin yellow, etc. so keep a lid on but do it in a well ventilated area. Also, your product is allot like ether so keep in mind what would happen if you should spill your product!
BS.
The brown gas is NO2 and is caused by a runaway reaction. If you do it slowly and keep it cold enough it won't generate "that brown gas".
Also if you DON'T blow it off instantly it will corrupt the poppers, giving it the nasty odor people are so afraid of.
A clean reaction of isopropyl nitrite gives a pale yellow, lemon-smelling product.
^ lol. Bongo is one funny ape.
The same procudure can be used to make nitroethane (ethyl nitrite) for the synthesis of nitropropenes. Or even nitromethane for nitrostyrenes
Wrong. Swim says that ethyl nitrite is not the same thing as nitroethane. Nitrane is EtNO2 and ethyl nitrite is EtONO. A shame, according to swim.
JON Popper
07-02-2008, 21:14
Hi
My Aardvaark is new to this forum.
These are his words:
"I was looking for any info on poppers. Ive been a user of poppers for about 10 years. I have to say, that they can definately be habit forming. They come in many different brands, and almost all of them are worthless! They have been getting steadily weaker over the years. The latest ones I got are worthless! Ive seen the formulas change, they keep outlawing the analogs, here in the states. Usually its hit and miss, finding a brand and batch that works. Most give a hell of a fooking headache. Every now and then, you find a brand that is potent, that doesnt make you feel too sick, but eventually, that batch will run out, and the brand will be worthless! For a couple of years, "purple" was kick ass. Then they changed the formula. I consider "rush" to be absolute shite. Has been for a long long time. There was a kind called "Mr Wonderful" that was totally mindblowing, about 4 years ago. You would open the bottle, and it would sound like when you open a can of soda. Then the contents would bubble for a while. One hit of that and you were trippin balls, face flushed red, booty in full dialation mode!
They are great for sex, especially anal sex. They make you extremely horny, focussing on your anal area. Its true that they can make you less careful, as you are wasted, and horny as hell. Also, if you use them a lot, you can get burns around your lips (i inhale thru the mouth), and they can cause bronchitis if used chronically. Most brands give a horrible headache, sometimes lasting for a day. Im also concerned that inhaling them thru my mouth has damaged my teeth. I am experiencing a lot of broken teeth now.
Lets face it, its a solvent. How can that be good for your teeth, mouth, lungs, etc? I will vouch for the fact they they can put you at greater risk for unsafe sex. Basically, I think they are an evil drug.
Also, i think they are made by and distributed by organised crime. There is no quality control. Some (most) batches these days are so watered down, its a total ripoff! Sometimes , in the past, you could get some kickass stuff, makes me think they put the real amyl in there or something, on the sly.
They dont keep well, once you open the bottle. A bottle is only good for a couple of days at best. It gets more rancid as it deteriorates over time.
They seem to go well with weed. At times i have tripped out listening to a fan with bad bearings, listening to and comprehending rhythms in the sound, which seemed brilliant, and fascinating. Other times, i was transported to other strange worlds for a couple of minutes, everything kinda sparkled and greyed out. If they are any good, your face will flush, which looks scary to any bystander. Driving on poppers is a totally retarded idea, and you are asking to be killed! I dont recommend WALKING on poppers, or STANDING.
They sell this crap at sex shops here in Minneapolis. Lately, its all unbelievably weak and worthless. You could waste a lot of money, and still not come up with anything substantial. My advice: dont try poppers. Its a ripoff! Its not healthy! And if you find some "good" stuff, you might end up screwing anything that moves! Peace!"
geezaman
07-02-2008, 22:09
SWIMs glad to know that someone else enjoys fan music, SWIM has lost himself listening to the whirr of a fan many many times. SWIM used to and still can enjoy poppers on their own, but now mainly uses them while intoxicated in other ways, to add little peaks to other experiences.
Oh and Welcome to the forum!
Peace
geezaman
SWIM knows this is a stupid question but SWIM just bought Bolt Heavy Duty liquid aroma and wants to know the best method of using. (if there is more than one method) Does SWIM simply unscrew the cap and inhale? How far away from the nose? How many hits does SWIM get out of one little bottle? How much is too much?
Thanks for reading.
SWIJON popper should really read the rules, -http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/misc.php?do=cfrules
PM'ing a mod to get them to edit the self incrimination from SWIY post would probably be a good idea.
SWIMs glad to know that someone else enjoys fan music though, SWIM has lost himself listening to the whirr of a fan many many times. SWIM used to and still can enjoy poppers on their own, but now mainly uses them while intoxicated in other ways, to add little peaks to other experiences.
Oh and Welcome to the forum!
Peace
geezaman
Incriminating yourself by saying you manufacture a legal substance ? Eh ?
Isopropyl nitrite isn't illegal in europe. Fact is it will never be, they still give it in small 5 ml bottles for people with cardiac problems.
jazzmetalguitar
17-03-2008, 06:40
Incriminating yourself by saying you manufacture a legal substance ? Eh ?
Isopropyl nitrite isn't illegal in europe. Fact is it will never be, they still give it in small 5 ml bottles for people with cardiac problems.
Regardless of location or legality, one needs to refer to oneself as SWIM, otherwise it is a massive project for the mods to research and look into every use of the word "I." It is out of respect for them and the rules.
steve-ere
17-03-2008, 18:39
Hey guys I'd appreciate it if someone could answer my question.....
Well I was thinking of buying some poppers soon, but I have asthma. I can use smelling sorts to clear blocked noses without it aggravating my asthma, so its not really bad against strong smells (mainly just when running etc)
Anyway yeah I just want to double check that it would be okay for me to use them when I have asthma
Also how long does a bottle last?
jazzmetalguitar
17-03-2008, 21:27
Hey guys I'd appreciate it if someone could answer my question.....
Well I was thinking of buying some poppers soon, but I have asthma. I can use smelling sorts to clear blocked noses without it aggravating my asthma, so its not really bad against strong smells (mainly just when running etc)
Anyway yeah I just want to double check that it would be okay for me to use them when I have asthma
Also how long does a bottle last?
1) Read the forum rules. Self-incrimination is against a rule. Understandable as it is your first post.
2) SWIM sees amyl nitrites and asthma as not a horrible issue, however, SWIM can't state from experience. The only side effect of any worry would be shortness of breath. It is SWIYs call, doesn't hurt to research more.
3) Not a clue.
SWIM thinks this forum thread is fantastic. Thank SWIY all for the contributions. Especially WHN's. :applause:
Ididnotinhale
07-06-2008, 00:47
Is it very likely that poppers will cause seizures? Swim looked online, but was wondering what y'all swimmers thought. If they are likely to cause seizures, what would cause the seizures (other than the stimulant effect)?
Looking at most peoples experiences it seems that fresh stuff that has never been in a warm pocket or hand for more than a few seconds. Pure Amyl Nitrate has a sweet smell and evaporates like ether. That last 1/3 of the bottle that never seems to evaporate (or do much of anything but give you a headache) will smell like crap. Do yourselves a favor and thow this out.
Also there have been some questions about wide mouth vs small vs jar. I believe the jar with a tissue or cotton ball is the best for these reasons:
- When a few drops are put in a jar it will evaporate and be consumed. This is good, but with a jar - you keep exposing the portion you don't plan on useing yet to air.
- Spills with this stuff are not fun. Treat this stuff like ether. it is explosively flammable, toxic, and fucks with your reasoning in the clean-up. Decanting into a jar seconds before use and closing the lids of both is wise. Spills happen way more often than you think because it fucks with your balance and you often tremble after.
- When using a jar, you can put ice cubes in the jar or chill beforehand so that you get more time.
- the tissue or cotton ball has more surface area allowing it to evaporate quicker giveing the ultimate hit
- When you hand the jar to someone new to the stuff you know they are not going to tilt the bottle back and slam the contents down their throat (Hint: EMS, hospitals, funerals, etc.)
- no more showing up at work on Monday with a nice perfectly round brown chemical burn under your nose
- when adding a few more drops of fresh stuff to the jar no longer does anything other than give you a headache - you know you have developed a tolerace to the evil stuff and it is time to put the stuff back in the freezer for a few days. Not only does this save product but also minimizes your eventual suffering.
smurf used to love the stuff. but it kills your e rush very quickly by sucking it dry. smurf also after a good nght of popping lots of e's n holding on to the bottle like a preacher's bible on a sunday morning blacked out n fell on to a concrete step. besides for been embaressed in front of all the people smurf sliced a nice gash open on smurfs chin. this stuff klls brain cells nicely too. and very bad if u are 'aneemic.' not sure on the spelling for this one. animic?
Sorry didn't realise :(. Ok, hope you don't mind me rephrasing it lol
"High doses of nitrates may cause the rare disorder methemoglobinemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methemoglobinemia), especially in individuals predisposed towards such a condition."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers#Health_Issues)
What is considered a high dose (eg. liquid gold)?
Here Comes the Flamingo with a Mop and Brush!
My Ferret find the idea of the open neck bottle most useful... if anything will stop the nose burns that will...
In the UK they have now banned the isobutyl nitrite and started propyl nitrite... this comes with a childproof cap too...
the only problem is the caps leak, the smell is foul, the headaches are worse and the nose burns are instant!!!
Fortunately the frisky ferret still has enough for a while of the isobutyl in the freezer to last a bit...
In Germany, until recently, one could still buy Amyl Nitrite (or is that nitrate?) That was better still... no burns, less smell and few headaches..
The felonious ferret guesses he needs a TeasMade full of coffee after his next venture into poppers needed activities.....
Many thanks to the better informed amongst you... Me and My Ferret stumbled upon this site and it changed my life... he he he :crazy
malaroo123
16-09-2008, 23:33
Hi swim was wondering what the deal is with ''new formula poppers'' that burn the skin and don't last as long and the ''old formula'' that was just fantastic????
geezaman
28-09-2008, 17:49
geezaman added 3 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...
Hi swim was wondering what the deal is with ''new formula poppers'' that burn the skin and don't last as long and the ''old formula'' that was just fantastic????
this has annoyed SWIM. He has learned to live with the child proof caps but hasn't yet developed a way to open them 1 handed like he could the old caps.
If SWIYs pet dodo can smash open the child proof cap a smaller non childproof cap can be winkled out. This non child proof cap is very similar to the old caps but has no grip marks on it and its edges are less kind to the hands
SWIM still does not see how reducing the abuse potential of poppers got to the top of the governments list of drug related things to tackle, Still if it kept them busy and resources tied up for a few months SWIM will live with it:p.
SWIM believes the change has only effected the UK so is considering looking at European websites to try and find the good old blend.
Peace
Geezaman
I love 'em... but what were the old formula? And the poppers ive had dont have child proof caps...
geezaman
09-10-2008, 20:11
The recently old poppers formula was Isobutyl nitrites, The old poppers prior to iso butyl were amyl nitrites, these now can only (as far as SWIM knows) be prescribed by a doctor as heart medication.
If the poppers SWIY is getting don't have child proof caps, they are probably isobutyl nitrites, The goverment recently(within the past 6 months) had a look at poppers and set out new regulations/law(?) to reduce their abuse potential, The two things this caused to change were the type of caps, and the formula.
The new formula isopropyl nitrites is moe likley to make SWIY feel ill, and get headaches while using them, it is also not possible to obtain the same high with the new formula even while under the influence of other drugs. In SWIMs opinion the new formula are truly not worth buying.
BUT as SWIYs does not have a child proof cap it seems that they are the old formula and so the remainder of the supply someone already had in stock, or potentially poppers that have been imported from abroad (where the formula is still isobutyl)
A shop importing them is somewhat unlikely as they could probably SWIM imagines be closed down if caught selling them, thus SWIMs advice would be that if SWIY enjoys these poppers to stock up, perhaps even being able to persuade the seller to offer SWIY a bargain price for buying in quantity and taking them off his hands (this worked nicely for SWIM.
On a separate note SWIM recently bought some poppers online from the Netherlands, two of the three bottles were butyl nitrites as expected, but the third was labeled as contents:Cyclohexyl
The brand name was Zap! and has the advertising slogan "high octane"
SWIM has had a hit of them and their effects are very like though not exactly like poppers, but WTF is cyclohexyl and how safe is it? Any help or thoughts appreciated
Panthers007
09-10-2008, 20:52
The synthesis of iso-Amyl Nitrite is straightforward and simple. Requires good lab skills - as with any nitration - and the precursors are not watched. The new material, I've heard, is iso-Propyl Nitrite which is more volatile as it boils at a low temperature. This fast evaporation is likely responsible for the burning of skin. It would be similar to frostbite.
malaroo123
21-10-2008, 22:58
hi swim wants 2 thank u for the reply...another question...has swiy had any luck finding ''old formula'' ??? and swim wouldn't know what is the best ingredient to look for because of the many different ingredients mentioned and law changes in the u.k never mind all the other countries..can u help swim??? swim is very confused and wants the old kick with no burns for them and their partner!!!
kaczynski
22-10-2008, 02:04
Haha saw this on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia recently and was wondering just exactly what poppers are. they don't sound all that exciting...
geezaman
22-10-2008, 20:37
@ SWIMalaroo123
The common old formula most SWIYs have enjoyed was isobutyl nitrite (just butyl nitrite on some packs)
This can no longer be acquired from shops in the UK. Internet shops based in other countries such as the Netherlands do still stock it as it is not illegal in their location, SWIM has had experience buying from such online shops and getting them delivered to his UK address with no problems. SWIM is not sure of the legality of doing this.
In short Isobutyl nitrite is what SWIY is seeking, and they are seeking it from abroad. Almost all poppers sold in Europe are isobutyl nitrite as far as SWIM is aware.
@ Kaczynski, SWIMs unsure exactly what SWIY is asking, but essentially poppers are a brown volatile liquid that if the vapours of which are inhaled cause dilation of the blood vessels causing increased blood flow and give the effect of a head-rush. They were originally used as medicine for people suffering heart problems. A quick web search will give SWIY much better details. The original form of them used as heart medicine were amyl nitrites which were kept in small glass vials which were snapped to release the vapour. Untill recently (in the UK) a form of them- isobutyl nitrites were sold as room odorizers in small brown screw top bottles. Now in the UK due to new legislation only isopropyl nitrites are available, this change was made to "reduce abuse potential".
Peace
Geezaman
Ok, so Madlab fulfilled Alf's wish and ordered poppers: Nitro Supra (Cyclohexyl) and Pure Gold (Isobutyl). So far Alf had just a few encounters with poppers and they were extremely funny and pleasurable (last one few years ago). Much to his dismay it turned out that both of them give him a very nasty headache now - localized somewhere over and behind his right eyeball. And it is not due to overuse, just 1 run is enough. At first it's getting very nice, oh so nice, then the feeling of warmth comes, ears are getting hot, face is blushing, heart is pounding, thud-thud-thud, and then the come down, the feeling of intracranial pressure begins and the headache appears, lasting for a few minutes and making the whole experience worthless really and disturbing.
Well, has SWIY ever experienced such headaches? Have they been persistent or transient? I mean, should Alf look for someone willing to take those vials from him or just store them in refrigerator and try some time later again? How long can poppers be stored after opening the vial?
geezaman
06-03-2009, 16:31
For Storage length SWIM does not know, however he has had poppers with the seal opened but cap screwed back on tightly for easily over 6 months sometimes.
SWIM has only got a headache once or twice, and him and friends have probably gone through over 50 bottles of the darn things. However SWIM does more frequently get not a headache but a pressure behind the eyes that is unpleasant though not very painful. SWIMs last purchase of poppers included a bottle of cyclohexyl and he found it inferior to butyl, It seemed more unpleasant on the nose for a lesser effect.
Peace,
Geezaman
Thanks Geezaman, at least Alf doesn't have to worry about his vials loosing potency quickly. But he is disappointed really, he was thinking very fondly of those nights when doing poppers was getting him higher and higher. And when he finally decided to obtain his own private vials he can't even use them without thinking of strokes and the cardiovascular system. This is really shitty awful and saddens Alf.
Btw, the isobutyl poppers (Pure Gold) seems to be less potent than the cyclohexyl (Nitro Supra) and both seem to be less potent than poppers Alf tried for first time some 16 years ago. And afterwards, from time to time. Either they are really very different or Alf simply grew old and is unable to derive pleasure from them anymore. Or both.
Did any other swimmers experienced "poppers headaches"? Can SWIY tell Alf that not all hope is lost for him?
geezaman
07-03-2009, 12:32
If Alf is taking about 16 years ago, it might be possible they were experiencing real amyl nitrites, which SWIM has been assured are significantly more pleasant than any of these later (less abuse potential) versions. Even if they were previously just getting butyl, the experience would have been more pleasant than the iso-butyl they have now found.
When SWIM last checked wiki, (he is pretty sure) they showed a sortof time line of how the available forms of poppers changed over the years. It was something like Amyl > Butyl > Iso butyl > Iso propyl.
Propyl on its own may have been in there somewhere too. Regardless its no longer on wiki, if that is where SWIM saw it. SWIM would add cyclohexyl to the end of the above list but is pretty sure it wasn't on the list he is recalling so will leave it out.
SWIM has found iso propyl truely not worth the hassle, for the meager effects. SWIM achieved.
Peace
Geezaman
Yes, Alf is almost sure it was in 1991-92 when he did poppers for a first time. Generally people and other creatures (Alf I mean) were rolling on the floor giggling happily after inhaling it :crazy Cool stuff it was.
After few more tries Alf says it is not any serious pain those headaches he's experiencing indeed, it's a slightly painful, discomforting pressure rather. He tried different positions - lying down on the back helps a bit, trying to get up too early and moving around provokes the headaches. Also, Alf's addiction to coffee may have something to do with them, as it is generally ill-advised to combine poppers with stimulants. So today he tried to start his day with poppers, just after waking up while still in bed, and it was a very good idea, though it produced some very slight aching pressure anyway.
And this is what I've found on the Web:
"Unopened bottles can easily last over a year when stored in a cold and dark place, ie in a refrigerator or freeze."
"People with heart problems should not use poppers. In general anyone who has bad blood circulation or a low blood pressure we highly recommend not to use poppers, because you will, above all, notice the side-effects (headache, fainting)."
Oh well...
Have swiy ever seen a so called "Power-Pak Pellet" in PWD's poppers (Isopropyl)?
How would swiy describe its behaviour?
Does it remind of a tiny water-soluble aspirin tablet?
(with a much, much slower rate od decomposition, but with a similarily appearing white residue and a "bubbling" too)
Are hissing gases escaping when opening a bottle something normal?
EyesOfTheWorld
09-04-2009, 05:20
Monkey will use poppers but ONLY in the context of enhancing (heterosexual) sex and occasionally masturbation. They make anal sex with a woman much easier, also help with vaginal sex and maintaining erection, and definitely enhance orgasm intensely. In a nonsexual content they are a shit drug.
Heterosexual experiences only, oh my, this is very sad.
But wait, if someone masturbates while inhaling, does it make a shit drug somewhat better? How come?
I've asked a priest and he told me that masturbation+poppers is an awful deed and that his monkeys can inhale poppers (though it's bad habit already) but are never ever allowed to masturbate, because masturbation is much worse, it drives them insane and is against something or whatever.
And what about "Power-Pak Pellet", anyone seen it?
(homo or hetero, Alf doesn't really care)
EyesOfTheWorld
09-04-2009, 15:12
Heterosexual experiences only, oh my, this is very sad.
But wait, if someone masturbates while inhaling, does it make a shit drug somewhat better? How come?
I've asked a priest and he told me that masturbation+poppers is an awful deed and that his monkeys can inhale poppers (though it's bad habit already) but are never ever allowed to masturbate, because masturbation is much worse, it drives them insane and is against something or whatever.
And what about "Power-Pak Pellet", anyone seen it?
(homo or hetero, Alf doesn't really care)
Well, Monkey is heterosexual. Were he homosexual he would gladly use poppers in the context of homosexual sex. As for use during masturbation, Monkey limits it to one whiff about 20 seconds before orgasm, he doesn't repeatedly hit the poppers thoughout the whole session.
geezaman
10-04-2009, 13:55
Heterosexual experiences only, oh my, this is very sad.
But wait, if someone masturbates while inhaling, does it make a shit drug somewhat better? How come?
I've asked a priest and he told me that masturbation+poppers is an awful deed and that his monkeys can inhale poppers (though it's bad habit already) but are never ever allowed to masturbate, because masturbation is much worse, it drives them insane and is against something or whatever.
And what about "Power-Pak Pellet", anyone seen it?
(homo or hetero, Alf doesn't really care)
:laugh: some good analysis there.
Snuffkin has not seen or heard of "Power-pak pellets" but has seen bottles sold with "agitators" which seem to be small plastic beads.
Not sure exactly how they are meant to help... they might absorb air from the bottle once re-closed giving the bottle a longer life Or possibly a quick shake prior to use might make the gaseous nitrite more concentrated.
A hiss sound as the bottle is opened is quite common especially in warmer weather because the evaporating nitrites build up some pressure inside the bottle.
Peace
Geezaman
popperlova
03-05-2009, 19:08
Agitaors are good. Power Pak Pellets is a brand, which SWIM finds rather crappy. Swims favorite include Jungle Juice Platinum and Amsterdam. Rush used to be good, but many have dumbed down there formula quite a bit and no longer cut through grease very well.
:laugh: some good analysis there.
Snuffkin has not seen or heard of "Power-pak pellets" but has seen bottles sold with "agitators" which seem to be small plastic beads.
Not sure exactly how they are meant to help... they might absorb air from the bottle once re-closed giving the bottle a longer life Or possibly a quick shake prior to use might make the gaseous nitrite more concentrated.
A hiss sound as the bottle is opened is quite common especially in warmer weather because the evaporating nitrites build up some pressure inside the bottle.
Peace
Geezaman
Agitaors are good. Power Pak Pellets is a brand, which SWIM finds rather crappy.
Power Pak Pellet is the name (trademarked swim thinks) of that small white bead thingie, "agitator" that is supposed to keep them fresh for longer time. It is found in PWD poppers (this is brand). But yes, Alf agrees, this one (isopropyl nitrite) was rather crappy. Read this thread to see why - Skin burn from 'new formula' poppers? (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82343)
Swims favorite include Jungle Juice Platinum and Amsterdam. Rush used to be good, but many have dumbed down there formula quite a bit and no longer cut through grease very well.Alf will try at least one of them next time then. His favourite so far is Pure Gold (isobutyl), followed by Nitro Supra (cyclohexyl). Could swiy tell which nitrites were in Jungle Juice Platinum and Amsterdam? Isopropyl, isobutyl or cyclohexyl?