How to Create Speed ?

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Amphetamine (1) can be synthesized by the sequential alkylation of methyl acetoacetate (2) with dimethyl sulfate and benzyl chloride, followed by hydrolysis and deacetylation to give 2-phenylpropionic acid (5), which through reaction with thionyl chloride and ammonia forms 2-phenylpropionamide (7). Upon treatment with aqueous sodium hypochlorite, this amide undergoes Hofmann rearrangement to form racemic amphetamine (phenyl-2-aminopropane).


The order in which methyl acetoacetate is alkylated with dimethyl sulfate and benzyl chloride is of utmost importance to produce the desired dialkylacetoacetate isomer. If methyl acetoacetate is benzylated before it is methylated, the methyl group adds to the benzylic carbon instead of on the acetoacetate alpha-carbon. By first methylating the sodium salt of methyl acetoacetate and then benzylate the sodium salt of the formed alpha-methyl-acetetoacetic ester, the formation of the desired isomer is ensured.


Methyl acetoacetate (2) was prepared from methyl acetate in good yields. Results of experiments using dimethyl sulfate or methyl iodide to alkylate methyl acetoacetate (2) indicated that it was possible to get a higher yield of methyl methyl acetoacetate (3) using methyl iodide, but its higher cost do not warrant its use.


Instead of using the route going through intermediates 5-6, tests indicate that methyl benzyl methyl acetoacetate (4) will be transformed to 2-Phenylpropionamide (7) in 25% aqueous ammonia to the extent of approximately 50% in two weeks, standing at room temperature.
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<H4>Methyl methyl acetoacetate (3)</H4>


4440 grams of methyl acetate, containing 2% methyl alcohol, was weighed into a. 12L flask provided with a reflux condenser. 230g of sodium metal in the form of small pieces (~1 cm3) was added to the methyl acetate at once. Heat was applied to bring the reaction mixture to reflux. After 11h all of the sodium dissolved. Excess methyl acetate was then distilled from the reaction mixture until all of the methanol azeotrope distilled off. 5 L of toluene was then added and distillation continued until the last of the methyl acetate was recovered. 1200g of dimethyl sulfate was then added over a period of 2h at refluxing temperature. Refluxing was continued until reaction was neutral. The reaction mixture was then cooled to room temperature, and 1400 mL of water added to dissolve the sodium methyl sulfate. The oil layer was separated, washed with 2x1000 mL water and then fractionately distilled to give 882g methyl methyl acetoacetate (3), bp 76-76.5°C/20mmHg. 1700g of methyl acetate was recovered as constant boiling mixture, balance was recovered with the toluene.
<H4>Methyl benzyl methyl acetoacetate (4)</H4>


750 grams of methyl methyl acetoacetate (3) and 1690 mL of methanol were placed in a 3 L 3-neck flask provided with å reflux. 125 g of sodium metal was added, keeping the temp of the solution at 50°C. The solution was then added to 657g of benzyl chloride in a 5-liter flask. 2 h were required for the addition, keeping the temperature between 48-53°C. After several hours standing, allowing reaction to reach room temp, a test portion indicated that the reaction was 99.5% complete. Excess alcohol was then distilled off until a liquid temp of 83°C was reached. The reaction product was then cooled to 20°C, and 1400 mL of water was added to dissolve out salt. The oil was shaken with 10% NaOH for 10 min and then washed with 500 mL portions of water until neutral. The residual oil was then fractionately distilled to give 855g of methyl benzyl methyl acetoacetate (4) and recovery of 165g benzyl chloride.
<H4>2-Phenylpropionic acid (5)</H4>


855 grams of methyl benzyl methyl acetoacetate from the above run was refluxed with a sodium methoxide solution (17g Na in 321mL methanol) for 3-4h, and then the constant boiling mixture of methyl acetate/methanol was slowly distilled off in the course of another 1.5h. The resulting benzyl methyl acetic acid methyl ester was then hydrolyzed by the addition of 120g of 30% aqueous NaOH. The sodium salt was given two extractions, using 200 mL of xylene each time. The methyl benzyl acetic acid was liberated from the sodium salt by the addition of 50% H2SO4 solution. The oil was washed with water, the water washes were combined, extracted with xylene, and then added to the methyl benzyl acetic acid. The xylene was distilled from the acid under vacuum. A yield of 567g of 2-phenylpropionic acid was obtained, bp 150-155°C/8mmHg.
<H4>2-Phenylpropionyl Chloride (6)</H4>


502g of thionyl chloride was weighed into a 2-liter 3-neck flask provided with a thermometer, agitator, dropping funnel and reflux condenser. 472g of the above described methyl benzyl acetic acid was then added over a period of one hour. The temperature during addition varied between 30-40°C. The excess thionyl chloride was then distilled off, and the acid chloride vacuum distilled. Yield 420g of 2-phenylpropionyl chloride, bp 118-120°C/15mmHg.
<H4>2-Phenylpropionamide (7)</H4>


420g of methyl benzyl acetyl chloride, formed as above, was converted to the amide by adding the chloride slowly to 4260mL of toluene (or ether) saturated with NH3 at 20°C, the NH3 always being in excess. After all of the chloride was in the reaction product was heated on a steam bath to 62°C, and the separated out ammonium chloride filtered off. The filtrate was then cooled to 10°C, and the crystals of the 2-phenylpropionamide filtered and dried. Yield 336g methyl 2-phenylpropionamide. Upon recrystallization from toluene there was obtained 286g of amide having a mp of 108.4°C.
<H4>Phenyl-2-aminopropane (1)</H4>


230g of 2-phenylpropionamide prepared as above (mp 107-108.4°C) was added to sodium hypochlorite solution, made by passing 109g of chlorine into a solution of 277g of sodium hydroxide in 453 mL of water. The reaction mixture was held at 0°C for one hour. It was then slowly heated to 18°C, at which point considerable heat was given off and the solid went into solution. The flask, at this stage, had to be immersed in a freezing bath to prevent the temperature from getting too high. After the temperature was under control, the solution was heated to 58°C, whereupon the rearrangement occurred. The heating was continued until 70°C was reached. The solution was cooled; the oil layer separated and the solution extracted with toluene, using 60 mL each time. The toluene solution was washed twice with 50 mL portions of water and 148g of conc HCl slowly added to it. The aqueous solution was extracted with 2x30 mL toluene. The amine was then liberated with 30% NaOH. The water from the precipitated amine was extracted with 3x60 mL portions of toluene. The toluene solution was washed with 2x100 mL water and then vacuum distilled. Yield: 131g (69%) of purified amine, bp 105°C/30mmHg. The bp at atmospherical pressure was 205-206°C, and the HCl salt had mp 146°-150°C.


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<H1>dl-beta-Phenylisopropylamines</H1>


by Gordon A. Alles, JACS 54, 271-274 (1932)
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In a previous paper (1) it was demonstrated with dl-beta-phenylisopropylamine that the introduction of a methyl group into the side chain of beta-phenyl-ethylamine furnishes a compound differing from the latter with regard to certain of its effects when administered as a drug compound. The dl-beta phenylisopropylamine exerts a pressor effect for a longer period of time and is quite effective after oral administration.


The syntheses of the parent dl-beta-phenylisopropylamine and the desired methoxy derivative are reported in this paper; the physiological studies of the compounds prepared will be reported in another place.


The synthesis of beta-phenylethylamines is often accomplished, especially for proof of structure, by condensing an aromatic aldehyde with nitromethane under suitable conditions and complete reduction of the beta-nitrostyrene so formed, to the hydrogenated amine derivative. It was found that a similar preparative process can be carried out with nitroethane in place of nitromethane, the resultant product being a dl-beta-phenylisopropylamine.


The initial condensation step in the process was found to be most simply carried out by the method of Knoevenagel and Walther (3). The second step, the complete reduction, involves considerable difficulty but the described electrolytic reduction method gives fair yields of the desired amines while
several attempts at catalytic hydrogenation or reduction with various metals or their amalgams were not at all successful.
<H3>Experimental Part</H3>


The details of preparation of the dl-beta-phenylisopropylamine and its 4-methoxy derivative differ only in the aldehyde used and the intermediate and final products isolated.
<H3>Condensation of Aldehyde and Nitroethane</H3>


0.2 Mole of aldehyde, 0.2 mole of nitroethane and 0.02 mole of n-amylamine were mixed and set aside at room temperature in the dark. After a day water began to separate from the mixture; after several days the mixture became quite solid. After two weeks, the mixture was dissolved to a homogeneous
solution by warming with 50 ml of ethanol and then on cooling a fine crystal product was obtained. From benzaldehyde, 0.15 mole of phenylnitro-propylene melting at 65-66°C was obtained. The melting point of this compound has been reported as 64°C (2). From anisaldehyde, 0.15 mole of 4-methoxyphenylnitropropylene melting at 43-44°C was obtained. The melting point of this compound has been reported as 48°C (3).
<H3>Reduction of Phenylnitropropylenes</H3>


0.1 Mole of phenylnitropropylene dissolved in a catholyte of 100 ml of ethanol, 50 ml of acetic acid and 50 ml of 12 N sulfuric acid was placed above a 40 cm2 mercury cathode in a porous cell surrounded by a 3 N sulfuric acid anolyte with a water-cooled lead anode. Four amperes was passed for twenty hours and the temperature in the catholyte was kept between 30-40°C.


The resultant catholyte was partially evaporated, then made strongly alkaline and the separated basic layer taken up with benzene. The desired amine was then extracted from the benzene by just neutralizing with dilute hydrochloric acid and separating the aqueous layer. This was then evaporated
and the product crystallized. From phenylnitropropylene, 0.02 mole of dl-beta-phenylisopropylamine hydrochloride melting at 144-145°C was obtained. The melting point of this compound has been reported as 145-147°C (4). From 4-methoxy-phenylnitropropylene, 0.02 mole of dl-beta-4-methoxyphenylisopropyl-amine hydrochloride melting at 205-209°C was obtained. The melting point of
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[1] Piness, Miller and Alles, J. Am. Med. Assn. 94, 790 (1930)
[2] Mannich and Jacobsohn, Ber. 43, 189 (1910)
[3] Knoevenagel and Walther, Ber. 37, 4502 (1904)
[4] Hey, J. Chem. Soc. 18 (1930)



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<H1 align=center>Constitution of ephedrine. Desoxyephedrine.</H1>
A. Ogata, J. Pharm. Soc. Japan 451, 751-54 (1919), CA 14, 745 (1920)

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Ephedrine was discovered in Ephedra vulgaris by Prof. Nagai. It is known to contain a Ph nucleus, a side chain with 3 C atoms, an OH and a NHMe group. The main point of uncertainty is the positions where the OH and NHMe groups are linked. The 6 possibilities are PhCH(OH)CHMeNHMe (A), PhCH(NHMe)CHMeOH (B), PhCH(OH)CH2CH2NHMe (C), PhCH(NHMe)CH2CH2OH (D), PhCH2CH(OH)CH2NHMe (E), and PhCH2CH(NHMe)CH2OH (F).


Through a study of the structure of desoxyephedrine, O. attempts to show that A is the correct formula for ephedrine. From the work of E. Smidt, Miller, Bumming, and Nagai, O. concludes that the OH is linked to the Ph group. If NHMe is linked at the last C, the removal of OH from ephedrine
ought to produce optically inactive desoxyephedrine but the fact is the resulting product is dextrorotatory. If it is at the next to the last C atom, then the resulting compound should be identical with synthetic phenylisopropylmethylamine. O. has prepared desoxyephedrine by reducing the condensation product of PhCH2COMe and MeNH2.


To 100 g of alcoholic MeNH2, 40 g. of phenylacetone is added and left at room temp. for 4 weeks in a stoppered bottle. Then 150 g. of alcohol is added, and 30 g of Na is used for reduction, collecting the large amount of MeNH2 in HCI. After the reduction, H2O is added, the excess of alcohol is
evaporated off, steam distillation is conducted till the distillate is no longer alkaline. HCI is used for neutralization. The insoluble portion is extracted with ether and the extract is concentrated and precipitated with HgCl2. The Hg salt is decomposed with H2S, giving 15 g of the HCl salt. After purification with alcohol, plate-shaped crystals are obtained with a mp of 134-5°C. The free base, which has an amine odor, is a liquid and has a bp of 209-210°C and 93°C at 15 mmHg.


In all respects, this product is very similar to phenylisopropylamine obtained by Nagai by reducing ephedrine and its analysis shows it to be C10H15N. Separation of the d- from the l-form was accomplished easily by the tartaric acid method. The further characteristics of the different isomers are as follows:


dl form: bp 209-210°C, HCl salt mp 131-5°C.
d form: bp 208-210°C, HCl salt mp 170-175°C)
l form: bp 210°C, HCl salt mp 170-171°C.


Source: Rhodium


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[vicks]

i have a question for u.i got a recipe with vicks inhalers and draino and a bunch of other shit.im poor sio i tried it and it didnt work.have u heard of it and can u help me make it.i need the money because i bought all these ingrediants .send me a tell,

[jasonbtx]

no draino use muratic acid

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Making Methamphetamine at home:

List of chemicals and materials:
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<LI>Diluted HCl - also called Muriatic acid - can be obtained from hardware stores, in the pool section

<LI>NaOH - also called lye

<LI>Ethyl Ether - aka Diethyl Ether - Et-0-Et - can be obtained from engine starting fluid, usually from a large supermarket. Look for one that says "high ethyl ether content", such as Prestone

<LI>Ephedrine The cottons in todays vicks nasle inhalers dont contain efed or pfed (ephedrin or psuedoephedrin) but there are still lots of easy ways to get good ephed or pfed, pure ephedrin can be extracted out of it's plant matter, from a plant that can be bought at most garden stores. Or you can get pfed from decongestive pills like sudafed. Most people perfer to work with pfed from pills rather then ephed from the plant. The important thing is that you must have pure pfed/ephed as any contaminants will f**k up the molar ratio leaving you with over-reduced shit or under-reduced shit. Or contaminats will jell durring baseifying and gak up your product which will then be very hard to clean. So you want to find a pill that is nearly pure pfed hcl, or as close to pure as you can get. Also check the lable on your pills and see what inactive ingredients they contain. Inactive ingredients are things like binders and flavors. These you dont want and will remove when cleaning your pills. but certain inactive ingredients are harder to remove then others. You dont want pills with a red coating, you dont want pills with alot of cellose in them and you dont want pills with much wax. you also dont want pills that contain povidone. As a rule, if you have a two pills that contain the same amount of pfed hcl then take the smaller sized pill because it obviously has less binders and inactive ingredients, time released pills are usualy harder to work with because they have more binders and tend to gel up durring the a/b stage. Also only buy pills that have pfed hcl as the only active ingredient. You first have to make ephedrine (which is sometimes sold as meth by itself):If you are selling it...I would just make ephedrine and say it's meth.

<LI>Distilled water - it's really cheap, so you have no reason to use the nasty stuff from the tap. Do things right.

</LI>[/list]List of equipment :
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<LI>A glass eyedropper

<LI>Three small glass bottles with lids (approx. 3 oz., but not important)one should be marked at 1.5oz, use tape on the outside to mark it (you might want to label it as ether). One should be clear (and it can't be the marked one).

<LI>A Pyrex dish (the meatloaf one is suggested)

<LI>A glass quart jar

<LI>Sharp scissors

<LI>Clean rubber gloves

<LI>Coffee filters

<LI>A measuring cup

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Preparing your Lab:

Preparing Ethyl Ether:
WARNING: Ethyl Ether is very flammable and is heavier than air. Do not use ethyl ether near flame or non-sparkless motors. It is also an anaesthetic and can cause respiratory collapse if you inhale too much.

Take the unmarked small bottle and spray starter fluid in it until it looks half-full. Then fill the rest of the way with water, cap the bottle and shake for 5 minutes. Let it sit for a minute or two, and tap the side to try and separate the clear upper layer. Then, draw off the top (ether) layer with the eyedropper, and throw away the lower (water) and cloudy layer. Place the ether in the marked container. Repeat this until you have about 1.5 oz. of ether. Put the cap on it, and put it in the freezer if you can. Rinse the other bottle and let it stand.

Ethyl ether is very pungent. Even a small evaporated amount is quite noticeable.

Ephedrine & or P-Ephedrine: Please discuss this on the neonjoint color=#0000ffforum ("")

5. Pour 1/8 teaspoon of the lye crystals into the bottle of ephedrine and agitate. Do this carefully, as the mixture will become hot, and give off hydrogen gas and/or steam. H2 gas is explosive and lighter than air, avoid any flames as usual. Repeat this step until the mixture remains cloudy. This step neutralizes the HCl in the salt, leaving the insoluble free base (l-desoxyephedrine) again. Why do we do this? So that we can get rid of any water-soluble impurities. For 3 oz. bottles, this should take only 3 repetitions or so.

6. Fill the bottle from step 5 up the rest of the way with ethyl ether. Cap the bottle, and agitate for about 8 minutes. It is very important to expose every molecule of the free-base to the ether for as long as possible. This will cause the free base to dissolve into the ether (it -is- soluble in ether).

7. Let the mixture settle. There will be a middle layer that is very thick. Tap the side of the bottle to get this layer as thin as possible. This is why this bottle should be clear.

8. Remove the top (ether) layer with the eyedropper, being careful not to get any of the middle layer in it. Place the removed ether layer into a third bottle.

9. Add to the third bottle enough water to fill it half-way and about 5 drops of muriatic acid. Cap it. Shake the bottle for 2 minutes. When it settles, remove the top layer and throw it away. The free base has now been bonded to the HCl again, forming a water soluble salt. This time, we're getting rid of ether-soluble impurities. Make sure to get rid of all the ether before going to step 11!

10. If there is anything left from step 3, repeat the procedure with it.

11. Evaporate the solution in the Pyrex dish on low heat. You can do this on the stove or nuke it in the microwave (be careful of splashing), but I have found that if you leave it on top of a hot-water heater (like the one that supplies hot water to your house) for about 2-3 days, the remaining crystals will be ephedrine HCl.

If you microwave it, I suggest no more than 5-10s at one time. If it starts "popping", that means you have too little liquid left to microwave. You can put it under a bright (100W) lamp instead. Microwaving can result in uneven heating, anyway.

First Batch: 120mg ephedrine HClEstimated: 300mg (100% of theoretical, disregarding HCl)

Now, Making Methamphetamine out of ephedrine by reducing it with Hydroiodic Acid and Red Phosphorus.

Items needed:
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<LI>Alot of matchbooks (the kind with the striking pad)

<LI>Coffee filters (or filter paper)

<LI>Something that measures ml and grams

<LI>A flask (a small pot with a lid can be used)

<LI>iodine

<LI>Hydroiodic Acid (I will tell you how to make this)

<LI>Red Phosphorus (I will tell you how to make this)

<LI>Lye

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Making Red Phosphorus:
The striking pad on books of matches is about 50% red phosphorus. The determined experimenter could obtain a pile of red phosphorus by scraping off the striking pads of matchbooks with a sharp knife. A typical composition of the striking pad is about 50% red phosphorus, along with about 30% antimony sulfide, and lesser amounts of glue, iron oxide, MnO2, and glass powder. I don't think these contaminants will seriously interfere with the reaction. Naturally, it is a tedious process to get large amounts of red phosphorus by scraping the striking pads off matchbooks, but who cares?

Making Hydroiodic Acid:
This is made by mixing iodine and red phosphorus. When making hydroiodic acid from iodine and red phosphorus, the acid is prepared first, and allowed to come to complete reaction for 20 minutes before adding the ephedrine to it. The way around the roadblock here is to just boil off some more of the water from the ephedrine extract, and make the acid mixture in fresh pure water. Since the production of HI from iodine and red phosphorus gives off a good deal of heat, it is wise to chill the mixture in ice, and slowly add the iodine crystals to the red phosphorus-water mixture.

Now, Making Methamphetamine:
To do the reaction, a 1000 ml round bottom flask is filled with 150 grams of ephedrine. Also added to the flask are 40 grams of red phosphorus and 340 ml of 47% hydroiodic acid. This same acid and red phosphorus mixture can be prepared from adding 150 grams of iodine crystals to 150 grams of red phosphorus in 300 ml of water. This should produce the strong hydroiodic acid solution needed. Exactly how strong the acid needs to be, I can't say . With the ingredients mixed together in the flask, a condenser is attached to the flask, and the mixture is boiled for one day. This length of time is needed for best yields and highest octane numbers on the product. While it is cooking, the mixture is quite red and messy looking from the red phosphorus floating around in it.When one day of boiling under reflux is up, the flask is allowed to cool, then it is diluted with an equal volume of water. Next, the red phosphorus is filtered out. A series of doubled up coffee filters will work to get out all the red phosphorus, but real filter paper is better. The filtered solution should look a golden color. A red color may indicate that all the red phosphorus is not yet out. If so, it is filtered again. The filtered-out phosphorus can be saved for use in the next batch. If filtering does not remove the red color, there may be iodine floating around the solution. It can be removed by adding a few dashes of sodium bisulfate or sodium thiosulfate.The next step in processing the batch is to neutralize the acid. A strong lye solution is mixed up and added to the batch while shaking until the batch is strongly basic. This brings the meth out as liquid free base floating on top of the water. The strongly basic solution is shaken vigorously to ensure that all the meth has been converted to the free base. You now can sell or use the free base for injection use or with free base meth now obtained, the next step you can do is to form the crystalline hydrochloride salt of meth. To do this, a few hundred mls of toluene is added to the batch, and the meth free base extracted out as usual. If the chemist's cooking has been careful, the color of the toluene extract will be clear to pale yellow. If this is the case, the product is sufficiently pure to make nice white crystals just by bubbling dry HCl gas through the toluene extract. If the toluene extract is darker colored, a distillation is called for to get pure meth free base. The yield of pure methamphetamine hydrochloride should be from 100 to 110 grams.

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[alk3chick420]

Ive tried to find recipes for making speed, but they are all different and the chemicals used are extremely explosive..so i would just go out and buy it from someone cause unless ur a chemist or know a lot about chemistry its not worth the risk!

[alexanderk84]

i need information about the free base meth , fusion point boiling point , solubilities, density, etc.

[Sitbcknchill]

<blockquote> Originally posted by vicks on 01 November 2003
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i have a question for u.i got a recipe with vicks inhalers and draino and a bunch of other shit.im poor sio i tried it and it didnt work.have u heard of it and can u help me make it.i need the money because i bought all these ingrediants .send me a tell,






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that method does not and will not work my friend keep looking as for the draino f**k that, like someone els said use muriatic acid (hydrochloric acid)
</blockquote>Edited by: sitbcknchill

[Krista]

you can get muriatic acid at any hardware store, if they ask why you want it tellem you got a few brick toclean that you just laid, i tellem my husban wants it, shit i don't know why

[toyto]

quelle ephedrine utiliser

[baker]

Its dangerous though, watch out.

[dan46]

you cant get meth out of inhalers


it's the levo form of desoxyphededrine and is completely useless


also, although most of the synths presented by others here are correct they are overly burdensome and nto clearly laid out


like some of the completely bs and dangerous methods in the valentine smith book





the 3 most common ways of producing meth today are


1)phenylacetone andmethylamin w/ merc chloride catalyst method


2) red phos and iodine with ephedrine or pseudoephedrien cold tablets


3)the birch with ammonia and a metal which causes the exo. reaction such as sodium or lithium or even calcium or slaked lime


with cold tablets


it's pretty rudimentary how most meth is made


doesnt take more than a trained monkey to do it but you have to be cautiosu about pruchsing chems and equipment unless you feel 30 years in a fed institution is your life's goal


take er easy


old time chemist from LONG long ago--over 25+ years--who has hung up his flasks a long time ago

[Sitbcknchill]

H3PO3/I2 reductionis actually becoming quite popular and its alot safer in regards to being a calm rxn, no fumes and is a hell of alot quicker, for those who dont know its phosphorous acid crystals and I2

[Tweak]

Yes, Hypo cooks are all the rage in Australia at the moment. That will change...soon!!

We will see who remains cooking once Pseusoephedrine is outlawed, mwuhaha, P2P here we come ;D

[Sitbcknchill]

not hypo tweak, you can reduce with hypo yes but its not as stable, swim might try H3PO3 reduction in the near future, figured it would be easier than going on a date with annie, little red riding hood just isnt any fun anymore, she makes you scrape to damn many matchbooks, swim really dont see them banning psuedo anytime soon do to its popular demand but they will proly just keep loadin the damn things up with gakk and polymers to where its not worth it to try and reduce. sux dont it?

[Tweak]

Ah shit my bad, H3PO3, H3PO2 i confuse myself sometimes.

I think H3PO3 cooks are great because the rxn is very tame and no condensor is required ;D

However, phosphoric acid is very very watched in australia so you have to hop, skip and jump a little!!

I feel for you mate, I too have been down that road before and it aint pretty :(

Pseudo pill extractions are for mugs anyway. Been there done that, but no more! I hold the key to the future, lol!

[Tweak]

Oh for f**ks sake, H3PO3 is PHOSPHOROUS ACID!!

This is getting ridiculous, i HATE being scattered!

[Sitbcknchill]

lol ...... what kind of a key is it that youspeak of tweak

[argovistov]

Ephedrine is quite cheap in Europe <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley2.gif"> And easy cheap to buy over the Internet from Spain.



From ephedrine several easy ways exists to different kinds of amphetamines.

[mhy003]

where can you buy a condensor, or how can I make one. What is toluene and where can I obtain it, and what is HCI gas?

[dan46]

condensor


try ebay--lots from some surplus dealers--not watched at all unless you are in texas--then you need to pay 25 bux for a permit and the eyes will be on you


oh, to the phosporic acid dude.


yeah, it works but you need to use some red anyway as a recycler


and if you are in oz--isnt red not controlled there?


damn, you guys cant get pseudo but we cant get red hehe


Oh, you can use hypo and pot iodide but it isnt as stable as red (just like using phosphoric acid)


use ammonia anyway as it is faster and cuts thru many impurities in the


new pseudo pills--even if you do a straight to e with them or tetra wash on them


also, you canadians have it lucky as red is otc up there as well


50 buks a lb--not bad at all


BTW.....


I dont cook but I know a bit about it

[Sitbcknchill]

hey dan did you used to frequent some unamed forums....just curious, anyway
phosphorOUS acid doesnt need any red to recycle, and is a cleaner reduction since you dont have any red to filter out, all you have to do is make up your solution of h3po3, I2 crystals, and DH2O to make your HI, after your HI is made just add E and put on heat in complete darkness. (helps with keeping biproducts out of your product) you can actually obtain complete conversion of E in less than an hour, which is far better than a short hot or a long wet 24-36 hour reflux

as for NH3, that is prolly the best yet also the most dangerous

red is fine if you can aquire, but sucks cuttin thousands of MB if you cantEdited by: sitbcknchill

[Tweak]

Dan there is no shortage of pfed over her in oz..however,

Swim prefers to NOT f**k around with pill extractions and all the gaak related frustration that goes with it!

RP is watched, controlled and chastised over here, LG that is, MBRP is plentiful!

Nh3/Li cooks are awesome, i will admit.

the solvated electrons will cut through all gaaks.

Swims mate reduced ground up pills with no extractions.

Got d-meth, but the gear was...umm...tweaky, very tweaky!

Hey stay away from ebay, thats my stomping ground for glassware <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley1.gif">

[mark]

Hi,


This is my first post so I can't ask direct advice from anyone in particular but there's a number of youpeople who seem pretty clued up on the subject.....


Does anyone know of a product (other than Prestone starting fluid - which is not to my knowledge available in the UK) whereby ethyl ether can be extracted/obtained?


Any information would be really appreciated!


Thanx,


M

[ben309]

this is dan46 incognito--forgot my login name again





hey sitbcknchill


yeah I got hypo and the other one mixed up I suppose


as hypo will do it all by itself


I was thinking of the phosporic acid and pot iodide mix you need to make


a good red sub but you need some red to use as a recycler it seems


(so I have been told)


Hypo is now controlled here in US but if you look around you can find it in


two competitive fertilizers one Phyxx-fxx and another which is similar and extract the goodie


It is a little harder to control than the old red p reaction though


Damned shame red p is watched in OZ as I know it is still easy to obtain in Canada


Here in the Us it is coming to the point where everythign is being watched


I really want to explore--not actually do it/ that is illegal--the birch methods as they cut thru fillers so easily as someone made that point but even annie is getting hard to find here in US--eeven for legit users such as hvac people


And, new laws are being considered in almost every state so you only can get one box of pseudo and you a will have to show id for it


I remember not too many years ago it was all so easy


p2p was 154.00 for 4 liters and methylamine 54 bucks for a gallon and so forth


Now it can be a bitch to buy paint thinner if they want to make it that way


Of course all enterprising bees will find a way around but still...


sigh


Tweak


so youre the guy who bids up all those auctions on ebay ..huh!

[dan46]

I never heard of distillation of hydroxide--the distillation would bring over too much h20--I would think--even with 28-30% reprographic which is easy to find and cheap and with proper setup


I have heard of the ammonium sulphate and lye method but it's a pain in the ass as the water component is a problem and you need to use a cal chl dryer and yet still get substandard annie and a damn small amount for the time and effort expended


Guess people in coal mining regions should start hitting the tanks at mine drainage sites as they are not watched--yet--just kidding as I do not condone any illeagal activity

[vicshar]

Hi just joined the site ...gettin tired of the chase and the dumb people found at the end of it...can anyone tell me of a 666 theory? supposedly when done its buried for a long month of waiting...I figured if anyone could help meout this would be the place...

[Sitbcknchill]

meth degrades over time so it doesnt get better with age



yeah it is possible to make annie that way, you do have to build a dryer but if done right you get some pretty good annie

[manda]

You guys are some wise muthas.

[Kostics]

I would be very interested in making my own benzedrine at home. I hear it's great for socialphobia which I suffer from, and that a small dose every day along with a benzo like Klonopin works wonders. But have fun trying to get benzedrine online! I don't care about getting pure meth. Is it easier to synth just benzoamphetamine? If so, can someone tell me how.


Many thanks.

[WIZARD001.]

Could some onepleaseremind me of the ratios H3PO3/DH20/I2/PFED needed for the H3PO3 cook ??


I lost all my hive info when my oldcomputer died http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif

[elegance]

all of those link are broken, is there any one that have compelete giude for create crystal math, orlink for that?!

[al6e55x321]

yeah it is possible to make annie that way, you do have to build a dryer but if done right you get some pretty good annie



Yes. It's also helpful to keep h2o down by doing the distillation cold. Dry ice can be purchased at many big grocery stores; if you have a vacuum source, use it. That way the nh4oh solution can stay relatively cool and the water stays put. This method's only been tested on 30% NH3 solns., not sure how much yield you'd get with lower concentrations.

[Sitbcknchill]

Swim believes you could also add a drying agent into the mix of ammonium nitrate and lye mixture to cut down on the h2o buildup.

[Tweaker]

I'm on the loop and i was wonderinf if gassing p2p with HCl & Al if this will reduce the p2p to amphetamines?

[Sitbcknchill]

There is nothing in any vicks products that are any good

[Imnmbr1]

Please review the rules...sources are not allowed outside of the sources forum...this is your warning...


I apologize. I didn't take the time to read the rules. Will do so now before making any more posts.Edited by: Imnmbr1

[drug]

<H4>Methyl methyl acetoacetate (3) is that also a recipe for speed or does speed have another recipe ?</H4>

[GJ73]

Greetings...
This is my 1st post. Been looking at the ways the extract and cook gear. Can someone tell me the way to convert Lev to dexo as i have already a heap of Inhalers at my disposal. Can anyone help??

[Sitbcknchill]

Best thing to do is to use the inhalors as directed as you will not get anything else from them.....this topic is old and garbage so it deserves to hit the trash can.....

No matter how many times people say inhalors won't work people still ask the SAME FUCKING QUESTION OVER AND OVER IN THE SAME THREADS!!! Jesus people do some fuckin research at least....UTFSE= Use the fucking search engine!!!


CLOSED!!!!!!!!!