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PrideKills
22-09-2005, 21:06
Morphine Suflate 30mg tablets to be prepared for injection. These are INSTANT RELEASE tablets.
http://media.cornerdrugstore.com/drugidentifier/photo_us/032/morp030a.jpg
How would these tablets be prepared for injection? Does anyone on this forum have experience with these tablets??
The tablets do not seem to dissolve very well, there is alot of chalk
and garbage left. You can draw up, but there is alot left behind. The
shot is very very weak for even two or three of these 30mg tablets.
If anyone has any suggestions or tips this would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by: PrideKills
Blind Willie
23-09-2005, 03:52
SWIM used to shoot the 100mg ext. release by dissolving in H20. It sounds like SWIY has a lot of these. Try crushing them well and covering w/2" H20. Bring it all up to 160-190F (just below simmering) for 5-7 min w/a lid on, then filter through a coffee filter (save the solids and swallow, waste not, want not). Then patiently reduce the liquid. At the very end SWIM used to hold the pan over the flame tilted fully on the side, so less will be left stuck to the pan. Filter this again once it's cooled, as fine particles collapse veins. SWIM would cut off the tip of the final filter and add it+ the rinse from inside the pan - this would be added to the next batch. IR tabs should work great. SWIM'm not sure of yields (60-75%?), but it got the job done.
PrideKills
23-09-2005, 08:31
SWIM used to shoot the 100mg ext. release by
dissolving in H20. It sounds like SWIY has a lot of these. Try crushing
them well and covering w/2" H20. Bring it all up to 160-190F (just
below simmering) for 5-7 min w/a lid on, then filter through a coffee
filter (save the solids and swallow, waste not, want not). Then
patiently reduce the liquid. At the very end SWIM used to hold the pan
over the flame tilted fully on the side, so less will be left stuck to
the pan. Filter this again once it's cooled, as fine particles collapse
veins. SWIM would cut off the tip of the final filter and add it+ the
rinse from inside the pan - this would be added to the next batch. IR
tabs should work great. SWIM'm not sure of yields (60-75%?), but it got
the job done.
How do you reduce the liquid?
Or, do it the junkie way:
Suck or peel off the outer coating, crush as fine as possible, put in spoon,add water, boil (with a lighter or stove) for around 10-30 seconds, suck liquid portion into syringe (bought at the local pharmacy), and shoot intravenously.
This method works with any type of morphine sulphate tablets, even time-release ones.
PrideKills
24-09-2005, 06:55
There is no outer coating if you look at the picture. They just do not
dissolve very good, they don't gel up or anything, just alot of chalky
stuff.
Blind Willie
24-09-2005, 08:00
SWIM reduces it in a small stainless steel pan (Pref. a good quality one with some thickness to it) over low heat on the stove. Towards the end tilt it on it's side. When it's done empty it out, then add another 1/2 oz. of h2o, kepp it tilted and get the stuck on stuff too.
ok for starters listen to swis, swim lives in NZ, and Morphine Sulfate pills are the closest thing you can get to heroin these days, soooooo heres what you do:(dont bother trying to shoot the MS on its own!!)
clean the colouring off the pills (if there is any)
crush the MS and add equal amount of Baking Soda
add enough water to cover pill mass/BS
heat over oven element till the pillmass/BS/water is dry
then add approximately enough 'AA' or 'AAA' to moisten the dryed out pill mass
cover with tinfoil/aluminium foil, and bake in oven(or over stove) for as long as swiy cant smell the 'AA' or 'triple
then add enough water to mix or w/e
reheat so that the MS pill mass/BS (which has now 'turned' into Heroin, quality depending on the consideration of effort) disolves into water
place a ciggy filter in the liquid
suck with syringe
and whack it
like swis said, he knows what hes talking about, MS are VERY common in NZ, so is the method
take care, peace
Blind Willie
26-09-2005, 23:26
AA is acetic anhydride? What's AAA?
yup, AAA=Acetic Acid Anhyride, if swiy can get the triple then use it! gives more grunt then double
Blind Willie
28-09-2005, 08:43
Is your post implying that AA is acetic acid? Does that mean that morphine can be made to a type of heroin with(basically) concentrated vinegar? Get the fuck out!http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif
is there any better way to use it besides shooting it up? i can get some pretty easily but im not really down for stickin a needle in my arm
the method swim posted is for real, done all the time round swims way,
Fantasian
09-09-2006, 13:44
Injecting pills is bad, most who practice this will end up with severely damaged veins and all sorts of binders in their circulation system. Even if certain extractions are done the chance that one could remove all of the other constiutiants out is very unlikely.
SWIF does know why people wish to inject as he has himself experienced the rushes accociated with Morphine IV and other such strong opiates and he knows how pleasurable it is. But it really isnt worth trying to break down pills to do this.
If it must be done then see the various explanations above i see not fault in them.
is there any better way to use it besides shooting it up? i can get some pretty easily but im not really down for stickin a needle in my arm
Yes there is pleanty of other routes of administration, and as i've already written injection of pills is one of the most dangerous activities one can partake in even with extraction.
Route of Admin for Morphine Pills are as follows for highest bioavailability (strongest effects) to lowest.
Rectal Administration (commonly known as plugging)
Crush up the pill and add it to about 10ml of water, suck up the solution with the pill in with a syringe (without needle) and insert up ones anus (with lube if available) and squirt the contents inside. The feeling initially is quite unpleasent and you will want to shit yourself however this feeling passes in 1 - 2 minutes. The onset with this method is rapid and you will begin to feel the effects within 5 minutes of use. Beware that bioavailablity is high with this method and in comparison to oral dosages it must be MUCH lower.
Insufflation (Commonly known as snorting)
Crush up the pill as finely as possible and arrange in a line. Use a pipe or rolled up piece of paper/cardboard and simply breathe in deeply through your nose. Morphine is not particularly kind on the nose and some burning sensation will be experienced, this is normal and your nose will suffer some damage from use. The binders present in the pill will also make insufflation unpleasent. As with any substance some of the drug will drip down your throat known as a post nasal drip and will be metabolised as if taken orally. Bioavailablity is higher here then oral but less the rectal however pill binders may affect how well this is absorbed. Onset here is rapid similar to that of rectal.
Oral
Crush the pill and swallow, or add to water and drink. The simplest and safest method as this is how the pill past meant to be taken and all we have done is remove the time release mechanism. Onset is slow however duration of high is longer. Bioavailability for morphine in the stomach when taken orally is quite low.
Smoking - Pills should not be smoked due to their binders, also smoking morphine tends to be done by chasing the foil regardless this will not be effective either way.
Sublingual (commonly known as gumming) - This is possible however it isnt going to be that effective and the taste is revolting as with most drugs. Crush the pill and rub it against ones gums, the gums have a high amount of blood vessels going to them and therefore it acts similar to rectal or snorting however much of the substance ends up being absorbed orally when you swallow anyway. Not something SWIF would do with morphine but each to their own. Bioavailablity in the mouth is high similar to that of the nose and onset will be rapid.
Injecting - As i mentioned previously i dont really see this as a viable option with pills. If you wish to ignore my advice go ahead your body is your own :).
Hope this helped, feel free to ask any more questions
jesusfreak666er
09-09-2006, 14:01
injecting is horrible thing to begin with, but swim is not here to judge, but injecting pills is just dumb and dangerious.... if one is hell bent on pumping this into their veins find out wat fillers are contained in the pills and find out wat kind of extraction can single out the active morphine. why not just crush dissolve in water and squirt up the but in an enema, very well absorbed for ppl who oral is just not fast enough... snorting will not be effective since the drug is not very soluble in the nose.
as sektor says,really common in nz,thats where SWIM's from and must say reading that brings back some good memories of the ole ms days,hope ya have luck and don't for get "it's all good unless it sucks"
SWIM suggests that the best way to rid any pill-based solution of unwanted stuff is to let it sit for 24-48 hours, possibly in the refrigerator. A significant amount of what's in a pill is either heavier or lighter than water and will sink to the bottom/float to the top eventually, then the clear liquid can be removed with an eyedropper. In SWIM's experience, this is more effective than filtering (but still won't take care of completely water-soluble constituents).
SWIM agrees that rectal admin is a lot safer with drugs that come from pills, but even then let the stuff sit for a day or two and use the clear liquid portion. Absorption will be better that way.
yup, AAA=Acetic Acid Anhyride, if swiy can get the triple then use it! gives more grunt then double
are you sure that this is true?? I mean the aaa as being diferant than aa??????? I am no chemist and have not noticed it called aaa but then swim could be under the influence of perscribed legaly hydromorphone and may be stupider than usual.
Forthesevenlakes
30-10-2006, 03:34
acetic acid anhydride is different than acetic acid, this is true. normal acetic acid when sold will contain some water. AAA is anhydride, so its stronger per unit volume because theres no water diluting it.
Does any know how swim can breakdown 60 mg er morphine tablets? they seem to gel up with some sort of binder. how does swim remove the gel and get clean liquid? Have tried heat and cold with little to no success. The pills have an M on one side a nd 60 on the other. Also have some 100 mg as well.
Fantasian
27-06-2007, 10:43
Does any know how swim can breakdown 60 mg er morphine tablets? they seem to gel up with some sort of binder. how does swim remove the gel and get clean liquid? Have tried heat and cold with little to no success. The pills have an M on one side a nd 60 on the other. Also have some 100 mg as well.
Read up, Injecting Pills is a BAD BAD practice. Regardless the Pills your talking about are made so that they cant be IV'd. The syrup clogs up the veins i think, it's very similar to some of the UK preparations to stop junkies buying from chronic pain sufferers.
there is a way SWIY can turn acetic acid into acetic acid anhydride. SWIM will try this and "rectify" the situation with the resulting solution rather that shoot it.
not sure how to edit. Meant to say, "rather than shoot" or "instead of shooting"
x cynic x
15-08-2007, 23:23
If Swiy injects morphine pills that are not filtered properly, they are likely to suffer vein problems, including vein collapse and risk of an embolism, an abscess, or endocarditis. Some people prefer to 'cook' their pills. This involves removing the coating of the pill with a medi-swab or water until the pill is white. The pill is then added to 3ml of water and heated until it disintegrates. The solution is then cooled down and injected. The problem with this method is that the wax in the pill expands with the hot water and traps morphine inside. It is also incredibly dangerous to inject wax. Injecting hot wax will destroy Swiy's veins within a very short space of time! If Swiy is to cook their pill, they should filter the solution with a wheel filter before they inject! If Swiy is generally uneducated about filtering their pills, they should read more here http://www.napnt.org/health/filtering_pills.htmhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/images/misc/progress.gif
that is why i said swim is not shooting and if he was he would use a wheel filter, since cig filters filter about 35%, cotton balls filter about 40% of material whereas wheel filters get about 99.9% (the 35 and 40 could be off by about 10% depending on different factors) Now if this conversion were to be done on a 30mg MS pill what is the approximate amount of diacetyl that would be yielded anyone know? Off subject but if the pills have an anti-abuse matrix that gel up like the teva Oxy's that can be gotten around through a process called crisping i believe. Any way thanks for looking out for swim
I don't know if any swim really enjoys a mst rush anyway as they can be quite uncomfortable when using larger doses. That horrible pins and needles feeling running up to the top of your head would take someone pretty strange to enjoy it so I guess that's another reason not to inject it (unless swiy did it very slowly but that kind of defeats the purpose and with all the other negatives...)
rob42853
21-08-2007, 00:18
swIm loves the pins and needles, if theres good p and n's then swim knows it will be a good shot.
SWIM will try the conversion tomorrow and see how well it works. SWIM has a higher tolerance than he thought. 40mg OC rectified barely did anything for him. :eek: So after this he will be taking a bit of time off. I will let you know how conversion works for SWIM
swim said conversion seemed to increase potency a little but whether or not that was a placebo effect he was unsure. Swim told me that he personally does not think it is worth the hassle and time to perform this conversion. Perhaps if swim had extracted the MS first and gotten rid of the binders and etc. It might have been better.
vantranist
31-08-2007, 22:11
SWIM tried rectal with the same pill u posted a pic of... nearly Zero effect with a full 30 mg Instant R pill.
Snorting about half got him going.
if you are talking about my pic that is 80mg OC
samuraigecko
23-10-2007, 13:23
morphine CANNOT be turned into heroin using acetic andrahyde alone. Heh. it is true that Morphine and diacetyl-morphine (heroin) are very similar but one cannot place two acetyl chains into the morphine molecule by adding AA or AAA alone. There is a process but SWIM is not willing to describe it here. Also Heroin gets turned into morphine by the brain before processing. example:
• Heroin is diacetyl-morphine. It crosses into the brain very rapidly but is then converted into morphine.
The advantage to heroin is it that it crosses to the brain faster giving a more intense rush. Thats all.
If one were to recommend a way to make those particular tablets injectable one would say just to firstly crush them with a pill crusher until it is a fine powder, dissolve in a few lines of water (one should be familiar with this term if one has ever injected anything), cook a little but do not allow any bubbling to occur (just do it with a lighter and a spoon, just not a aluminum spoon) then using a pill filter, some balled cotton wool or even a piece of cigarette butt, draw the liquid up into the syringe with the tip of the syringe in the filter and one should know the rest by then.
Hope that has helped. cheers.
im new here every thred mentions swim or swif.who or mwhat are they?:confused::confused:
what is "AA" or "AAA"? do you get it at a pharmacy or food isle?:confused:
rob42853
23-11-2007, 03:34
Hello bigD71, you should read some of the rules before they kick you out there pretty strict here. Swim means someone who isnt me, and the only place I know to get AA is a chemical supply house.
maxdawgee
01-01-2008, 18:40
Look, if anyone is using morphine for its real use, perscribed by a physician and wants to get the most for what they are getting. Then take them orally as intended. IT WILL LAST SO MUCH LONGER AND THE EFFECT IN RETROSPECT IS THE BEST ALL ARROUND WAY TO ADMINISTER THIS DRUG. One must be ALIVE in oreder to enjoy life.
SWIM has the XR 30 mg which turn into gel upon contact with water. what is this "crisping" process that makes it suitable for IV - it was mentioned several posts ago?