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Hyperreal
21-09-2005, 14:27
I'm looking for a drug that I can use for extra energy on a daily basis. The effects should be the usual stimulant stuff:mostly energy and motivation. Basically I'm looking for an alternative to caffeine, because caffeine just doesn't float my boat and is probably not the healthiest thing to be doing the whole time.
I've tried ginseng and found it too subtle; next on my list is gingko and then yohimbe.
PenguinPhreak
21-09-2005, 17:08
Yohimbe will be very effective, but I doubt it would be healthier than
caffeine. In fact, caffeine is probably your safest choice for daily
use. Ephedrine would probably be a pretty effective alternative. Also
various nootropics such as adrafinil are suposed to be great for
jitter-free stimulation.
Goa Trip
21-09-2005, 17:40
Me personaly,I would not try ephedrine. Yes it does give you alot of enery but it is also very dangerous. Before it was banned here in the states i used it too lose weight and it work very well, On the full stackI lost 12 pounds in a week. However it does more harm the help. Read up on it before you chose to use it. http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/effects.html
Ephedrine works well from personal experience and friends experience.
It does have risks, but everything has risks,not just this. Edited by: thegod1
Hyperreal
21-09-2005, 19:29
Me personaly,I would not try ephedrine. Yes it does give you alot of enery but it is also very dangerous. Before it was banned here in the states i used it too lose weight and it work very well, On the full stackI lost 12 pounds in a week. However it does more harm the help. Read up on it before you chose to use it. http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/effects.html Yep, you echoed my own thoughts. Ephedrine is something I looked into on this quest but figured it was too dangerous. I've taken it before (as herbal ecstasy) and liked it but it's not something you'd want to do every day.
William_Again
22-09-2005, 00:41
Ephedrine is used by over 12 million americans, and the fda has ruled that only 5 have died from its use.
Goa Trip
22-09-2005, 01:18
Ephedrine is used by over 12 million americans, and the fda has ruled that only 5 have died from its use.
Uhmm yeah maybe you should do a little more research before you post something as a fact. I'm not saying it can't be used safely but why risk the chance when other safer options are available.
http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/ephedra_ban.html
If you live in a place were this is no problem, coca a good and healthy option.
Gingko on the other hand isn't that much of a stimulant.
Raw ginger does have a little boost to itEdited by: benga
...or just buying some guarana-powder on the www and mixing it with what you drink...
...or just buying some guarana-powder on the www and mixing it with what you drink...
but effect caffeine like effects, since guarana, like kola nuts, just contain a lot of caffeine. Smoother than coffee however
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pabel_giboon
05-10-2005, 14:56
I usuaally use and recommend GINKO BILOBA.
I take it dayly to achieve a mild stimulant effect, since I work ona a creative and enduring field (traditional 2danimation) and most of the days I found myself still working at 3.00 am.
compound: ginko biloba extracts
dosage: 3-4 40mg pills
onset: @20 min
duration: @5 hours
side effects: ginko increases bloodflow so males experience quite better hard-ons
I have been searching up and down for years, using everithing arround and only2 things that would compare to cofee without containing caffeine are ginko and coca leaves.
Chewing coca leaves is the best stimulant (botanical) I ever had. I can`t wait for this summer to go North and buy me 1/2 kilos of coca leaves. They last me about 2 months and then I go back to ginko, since tehre´s no coca leaves in my nowdays location. ***ANYWAY COCA LEAVES ARE LEGAL WHERE I LIVE****
Mexican Messiah
06-10-2005, 20:35
I'm looking for a drug that I can use for extra energy on a daily basis. The effects should be the usual stimulant stuff:mostly energy and motivation.
Have you look into ADD medication it works great. It makes you really confident, it gives you aclear mind,& it helps you focus on whatever needs to bedone.
swhim has just taken neally 280mg of ritalin, and i heard swim is feeling
preety confident, and a little europhic, lol, another sleepless night for
swim, lol, enjoy http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif
Mexican Messiah
06-10-2005, 20:54
Adderall, one such medications used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity disorder became so fashionable that Rolling Stone listed it as this year's "Hot Drug" in its latest issue, as part of its Hot List 2005 feature:<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
"Its as a bunch of pharmaceutical companies got together took out all the shitty effects of bathtub speed left the good feelings and putitin an easy-to-swallow time release capsule"
Coca tea sounds like it fits the bill, but it's way too illegal.
psychedelic stimulatory effects from it that last for two days.
if you're in europe at least i doubt that you would get in trouble for ordering a box of 100 teabags...the cocaine content is minimal, almost impossible to extract. in the usa laws are probably less forgiving, but getting busted for a box of mate de coca...nah
check out the ENACO website if you want to buy matefrom the peruvian government directly . La coca no es droga !
in some cities you can find in south american shops too
Nagognog2
09-10-2005, 04:31
Hyperreal: Be very careful playing with yohimbine. It is a MAOI <monoamine oxidase inhibitor> which can react with certain foods and medications to make your blood pressure crash through the floorboards, or fly through the skylight. Read: Trip to hospital - or worse. Look into MAOI's before you engage with this stuff. Done with care, Bongo thinks it's okay-ish. Likely you'd use it a few times, then let mold grow in it in the back of a cupboard.
Hyperreal
10-10-2005, 04:05
There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not yohimbine is a MAOi. Nutriflip (http://www.geocities.com/nutriflip/Naturopathy/Yohimbe.html) says that yohimbine is not a MAOi, but the plant yohimbe is, which I suppose means that other alkaloids present in the plant have MAOi properties. On erowid, this (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info5.shtml) andthis (http://www.erowid.org/plants/yohimbe/yohimbe_info1.shtml) claim yohimbe is not a MAOi, the latter with an Erowid note saying it is a mild MAOi. Murple on Ask Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2357) claims that " yohimbe is a very weak MAOi". None of the sources I've looked through mention whether we're talking MAO-A or MAO-B.
It seems that it's one of these very mild MAOis - like St. John's Wort or chocolate - that needn't affect one's diet.[/b]Edited by: Hyperreal
Nagognog2
10-10-2005, 04:23
I have personally witnessed someone have an extremely toxic reaction from yohimbe bark and alcohol. Complete with plummeting blood pressure and collapse. Be careful.
BrugmansiaBrujo
10-10-2005, 09:26
Try drinking yerba mate. Do it every day for a couple of weeks at
least before you dismiss it. You'll find it gives you sustained
energy after a while.
For an extra kick when you need it, use dry ephedra herb mixed with the
yerba mate, making a tea from both of them together. Use in a
ratio of about 2/3 yerba mate to 1/3 ephedra sticks. Grind
ephedra sticks to a coarse powder with a coffee grinder before adding
it to the yerba mate.
And the ultimate in natural pick-me-ups is "Tri-Mate" tea. This
is where you mix yerba mate, ephedra herb sticks, and coca leaf tea
bags all together.
Another good one, all on it's own, is the relatively new supplement
"chockamine". Get some of that and put it in gel caps and take
it. Provides energy as well as a positive mood lift and
anti-depressant qualities.
Any of the above can be used on a daily basis safely for extended periods of time. That's what you were asking for, no?
Since I can't get to the sources forum to post my favorite places to
obtain these items, PM me for a list of good places to obtain these
supplemenmts from.
Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo
Caffine pills. do research about some herbs or plants, i don't really know but if you search i am sure you will find what your looking for.
Most idea's off my head already been mentioned.
considering u don't want caffine, um maybe adderal or ritalin or dex, (you know it's prescribed for add-adhd) it shouldn't be to difficult to obtain.
Edited by: bonghed
what happens if you mis adderall and ephedrine?
honestly, health food store mate...
not the normal green tea pills, tho they will work,
there's this vitamin by "pure essence labs" some combo of herbs.. no ephedra, or guarana or things of that nature.
pureessencelabs dot com :)
when i worked as a labouror over the summer...most of the boys used the bard of speed you put in the fridge and cut wee slices off....
helped em dig all day!
think its just good pure speed mixed with glocose/soucrose/maltose etc...one of the suguar type benzine ring badboy thingers (well saying i havent done chemistry in 3 years!)
but yea..bars of speed!
when i worked as a labouror over the summer...most of the boys used the bard of speed you put in the fridge and cut wee slices off....
helped em dig all day!
think its just good pure speed mixed with glocose/soucrose/maltose etc...one of the suguar type benzine ring badboy thingers (well saying i havent done chemistry in 3 years!)
but yea..bars of speed!
He/she doesn't want to use caffine too much because of health issues so i don't think speed is exactly what he's looking for. I'd say try script drugs, rit dex, or the herbal method, after a little advice and info (well lots) it's trial and error until u find what your looking for, but you will find it,if you haven't already
Friend brought some guarana powder from brazil couple of months ago and it was drank with vodka(with aprox. 1 full tablespoon of guarana).
In my opinion it was very stimulating since I didn't expect anything from it. I was drunk a little bit before drinking that guarana/vodka mix but about after 15-20 minutes later it gave very nice "waking up" feeling..very energizing.
You should look into Meth.. .. naa just kidding :)
You can find the bad health effects for any stimulant if you look for it. from caffiene you can go to Ephedrine still but like anything you can't use it every day without the dose going up and with 200mg of Guafa-pukin with each 25mg of ephedrine your not going to do that for long. Plus once you pass two pills of ephedrine with 200mg caffiene you're tinkering a little to far with the ticker over your lifespan.
Really not many options here. Ritalin or an amphetamine or about as good as it gets in the world of prescription legal substances and there is risk to the heart there as well. I love Coca leaves and feel that it is by far the best daily tea but here in the US forget it.
I have personally witnessed someone have an extremely toxic reaction from yohimbe bark and alcohol. Complete with plummeting blood pressure and collapse. Be careful.
Just as a sidenote: I know alcohol and MAOIs are real dangerous, but why is it? I can't see much of a danger since alcohol(at least I think) doesn't raise remarkably indole- or catecholaminelevels and it wouldn't result to anything like serotonin syndrome. Propably dopamine levels are up but I don't FEEL it as being threat. So what's the deal with these two?
Benzeneringz
08-07-2006, 18:35
The pharmacology of alcohol is still widely disputed, so it's not going to be conclusive exactly how an MAOI reacts with alcohol on a negative level.
Argh, I haven't yet familiarized myself the fact that everything is not known in that field so it always makes me anxious :) . Somehow this seemed like a thing to be known, MAOIs effect being relatively simple and alcohol well studied.